Stealing back the Internet - Mass Piracy

I've chewed on this idea ever since someone brought it up on Holla Forums more than a year ago. He called it Secession from the Internet. The idea was to build an entirely new decentralized Internet from scratch, and the discussion turned to meshnets & pirateboxes and some more exotic solutions. Of course all of it was completely out of reach of the average person to take part in so it was really just a four-week long circle-jerk.

But I obsessed over it. I couldn't stop thinking about how to make it happen, and my OCD led me to the exact same conclusion that smarter fuckers than me have already come to:

"We don't have a technology problem; we have a social problem."
bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/decentralized-web-initiative-aims-to-reinvent-web-with-peer-to-peer-and-blockchain-technology-1465574954

This needs to be something that a broad range of people can participate in which appeals to their own interests. Not some grand scheme of decentralizing the web. It needs to build on itself in such a way that it naturally leads to a decentralized Internet. And since powers that be aren't going to like it, it's also going to mean breaking rules and going back to some old school ways of doing things. That's inevitable. Internet freedom will not be legal.

Boards like >>>/killcen/ and >>>/eternalarchive/ are on the same track as what I'm thinking about, but I have a broader scope in mind than just archiving stuff to prevent censorship. Instead, we copy EVERYTHING. Youtube channels, blogs, podcasts, image galleries, wikis, porn. Whatever YOU like on the Internet, scrape it all to your harddrive. Store it in an organized format that a webmaster could easily import into their own eepsite on i2p or something.

Next, join up with informal networks of people. People on the chans (allchans.org), people on IRC, and share. Or do the same thing as boards like /killcen/ and set up accounts on mediafire, but don't rely exclusively on those. The idea is to create informal networks of people, not to rely on specific technology. The content that you scrape and share is the raw material for building these networks.

If you have web design skills then start setting up onion sites, eepsites, zeronet sites, etc built from content that you've scraped from the Internet. I'm talking about raw, unapologetic piracy. We cannibalize the Internet. We treat it as a resource of free content for building darknet culture.

I've thought further ahead than this, about how this could slowly translate into mesh networks and decentralized infrastructure, about how to quickly start a crypto-economy, but I don't want to turn this into a huge wall of text.

I tried posting this on Holla Forums but it got pruned, so I'll wait to see if it survives moderation first.

Other urls found in this thread:

clipconverter.cc/
ollydbg.de/.
bitbet.us/
youtube.com/user/HoneyBadgerRadio
atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/HL05Cb01.html
ige.com/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinye
lifehacker.com/5952148/how-to-create-a-super-private-bittorrent-community-for-you-and-your-friends
volafile.io/r/6W2_ky
shadowproject.io
geti2p.net/en/download
github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd
volafile.io/r/6qlloq
hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/getting_started_ipfs.html
hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/
hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/getting_started_local_booru.html
7chan.org/elit/
hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/getting_started_ipfs.html
ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNUumH6QpMSdDsDA6WnQZpZp6QKdeUtKRnn3BFPJg3EwQ
127.0.0.1:8080/ipfs/QmNUumH6QpMSdDsDA6WnQZpZp6QKdeUtKRnn3BFPJg3EwQ
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

you want piracy to turn into an economy?

After seeing the phenomenon of pokemonGo, I've already lost all hope for anything like this to happen. Normies with no passion for anything greater than doing the mundane things that takes popularity among normie culture will give up anything and everything for the convenience offered by being a normie.

They won't take part in this because 1) It's illegal 2) It's slow 3) It requires me to learn the internet and 4) It doesn't have everything I need.

Passions such as yours are exclusive to those like ourselves not because we want it to be, but because it is the natural way things work in this culture. So do not ever think the average person will take part in these endeavors - ever. You say that "it needs to build on itself in such a way that it naturally leads to a decentralized Internet", but don't kid yourself - it is in fact not natural for the average person you see outside to take part in this. So don't even push for it. This isn't a business and we aren't making money off of it, so there's no point.

So let this be project exclusive to us, and be real about it. This realization may even inspire anons to work for it even harder just knowing the fact that it's something for themselves exclusively, and not the plebians outside who don't know jack shit. If we have to become elitists in this regard, so be it - anything but another failed project.

The first sub-project I'd suggest starting is Youtube. The first and most obvious question being, "How do I download an entire channel' or "What would be the easiest way to download a mass amount of videos at once?" If we were to have these questions answered, I would predict the project would kick start with great momentum. People like us have been brainstorming ways to kill the current Youtube scheme for a long time now, and it's about time we've finally come up with a solution to do it.

For people running services.

Scraping YouTube is quite easy, with youtube-dl being so good, a couple lined of bash will do the trick.

Redundancy is solved through ipfs, but discovery is not in a good state, since Google has a lot of secret sauce.

No, hosting is the real issue, someone needs to pay for all that hosting and while filecoin and other proof-of-hosting networks are part of the solution, we need momentum for people to give their plentiful hard drive space to the cause.

FUCKING FINALLY

Let's do some cool shit for once.

So what's the first step?
What the format that webmasters will import?

Though I've not used it much, I think I remember seeing some hosting capability on >>>/hydrus/

Wasn't that the ipfs integration?

OP here

I use 4k Video Downloader. You need the cracked torrent version in order to download whole channels. Or just buy it.

It isn't perfect though. I'm downloading a large channel right now and it fails to download lots of the videos for some reason. I download those one by one using clipconverter.cc/ instead. Be sure to select standard quality for downloading or you'll fill up your harddrive pretty fast.

I'll share some more of my thoughts once I get back from work because I want to put them together in a way that doesn't drone on for several pages.

It never worked for me. I don't know why. I used the official installer for Linux and don't have any funky setup going on, and yet it always fails to seed when I start it up no matter what I do.

I barely used it, and I don't know if it has any interface with "darknet". But I figure for OP's goals, the first step would be images because of the small file sizes and imageboard culture, which Hydrus is especially for.

Dude just use youtube-dl

The network itself is broken.
It relies on centralized ISPs and DNS providers. Centralized registrars as well.

If we're going to do this, it needs to start from scratch. It needs to start with friends carrying hard-drives full of data to each other by hand. The sneakernet is the dawn of our new world. We need a geographical location, but nobody wants to move.

YTD gives the occasional error, so some anons should create tutorials on how to use YTD efficiently and solve some of these errors through small FAQ pages. YTD isn't difficult to use, but if it's going to be used as our bread & butter for scraping YT then all problems no matter how small should be addressed.

The majority of Holla Forums aren't NEETs, so good anons willing to spend money isn't an issue. (It simply can't be, or nothing would ever get done). However, a small list of bang-for-buck hard drives should be issued out to all anons.

A small but extensive tutorial guide on how to get through the hosting process would help immensely as well if we truly believe hosting will be our biggest issue.

With these things said, I really believe our first sub-project should be to lay waste to YT as a reliable video-service by combating it with our own services. Moreover, this project would draw the attention of many other anons to the cause since such an event is dangerously fun to imagine.

Inside the terminal, write :
youtube-dl

There will always be noobs using the GUI so even that helps.

When I was in highschool I was part of a sneakernet, most of it was games that we managed to get working (mostly either excel+flash games or DOS games via the Java port of DOSbox), but we also figured out that ollydbg would cause the program they used to monitor and block programs, some web pages (they also had some blocked at the DNS level) to exit in order to prevent reverse engineering, so that program spread like wildfire and caused the sneakernet to become popular, not just in my year group but throughout the school, especially when they started trying to block ollydbg.de/. The key is to have something people want, and before you give it to them remind them "give it to your friends too".

So for normalfags, what they would most likely want is something edgy like cracking tools, kali linux, botnet builders.

No, that's too complex. The ollydbg thing didn't involve doing anything other than opening the program in a zip file (because for some reason execute permissions only worked from within the temp directory). All that stuff is too complex for them. Normies don't want something edgy, they want something that allows them to do something they want, and they want it to be simple, because they can only 'monkey see, monkey do'.

What about :
1/ We forget about normalfags
2/ Focus on attracting skilled people (C/C++, Assembly x86/X64/Arm programmers)
3/ Build something worth a damn that will attract more useful people we can convert into censorship hating, freedom "fighters".

What do you suggest?

I had an idea for a while about combining github + rent a coder, where you'd build your rep by contributing to open source software and you could get hired and paid in btc to dodge taxes and such.

(Double post sorry)
I wanted to call it gitpaid.com

...That sounds great, I'd join it.

That's an excellent idea.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as piracy, is in fact, unauthorized copying, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized sharing. Piracy is not the act of obtaining an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, but rather robbery or criminal violence at sea.

Many computer users make unauthorized copies every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the act which is widely performed today is often called piracy, and many of the people who do it are not aware that it is basically copying, and not stealing.

There really is a piracy, and some people are doing it, but it is just robbery at sea. Piracy is an act of theft: an action at sea in which goods are forcefully transferred from one ship to another. Piracy is important to be aware of, but unrelated to unauthorized copying; it can only function at sea. Piracy is normally not used in combination with unauthorized copying: the two acts are basically seperate. All the so-called piracy is really unauthorized copying.

yeah...


sneakernet? when I said "oldschool" I didn't mean that oldschool. I meant hooking up on IRC or something.

OP here again by the way. Glad to see this thread is still alive.


I got missing dll errors when I tried to use it. I'm going to be formatting my drive and re-installing with a fresh windows soon anyway. We'll see if that fixes it.

yup. laying waste to youtube is a good place to start. ripping their content comes with a lot of side benefits.

No more age restricted content, forcing you to log in and share your viewing habits.
No more obnoxious ads popping up in videos, no ad revenue for them
No more videos being restricted by country.


Starting off I'm envisioning something more guerilla style: throw-away email accounts used in combination with services like Dropsend. Using file-hosting services like mediafire. Sharing directly with each other on IRC or Retroshare. We would have to maintain organized directories for this stuff on pastebin or something. Ultimately we would need people willing to host FTP servers, eepsites, torrents, etc from their own machines with a semi-reliable uptime. But the point is to start somewhere. Going guerilla is something we can do NOW and evolve from there.

BTW I'm going to lay out my idea of how we might be able to quickly jump-start a crypto-economy around this in a bit. I think it'll be an important part of making this work. Be back later.

why create something new? we can just go back to usenet

Okay, back again.

So here's what I had in mind for making a crypto-economy out of this.

First we choose an obscure cheap-assed piece of shit crypto-currency that nobody gives two flying fucks about. We make that into our official currency that we use with each other.

Second, we give it our own agreed-upon value. We make it worth something that's insanely higher than what it's actually worth. Maybe 0.0001 Shitcoins equals one US Dollar or something. This is for three reasons:

a: The currency will stay and circulate within our informal "network" because it's relatively worthless anywhere else.
b: You're not risking anything. The currency isn't worth shit anyway.
c: We can get as much of it as we need right away, through faucets and a few hours of mining, to serve our purposes as a currency for whatever there is of our little economy.

We can change things later of course. We can change the value. We can change the crypto currency. We can change how we measure the value of the crypto-currency. ie: instead of measuring it in US Dollars we can say it equals 1 GB of storage space or something. We don't need to get bogged down in minutia right now. It'll come.

Finally, we establish a few basic things that we'll start using it for right away, and let the entrepreneurial spirit take care of the rest. Like paying people for hosting space, or for their expertise in ripping websites, or for access to what they've ripped, or for help with setting up an eepsite, or software development, etc. Remember the Internet is a combination of volunteerism and paid services. Any alternative will be the same way, so an economy is crucial to its growth.

Ultimately I would like to see things like patreon or bitbet.us/ develop in our informal network, but with a level of creativity not possible on the regular web. With a rudimentary economy, we have the seeds for something great.

So what happens when someone who happens to have a few thousand shitcoins finds out about it?

Inflation if we're not careful. We would have to stick to fixed prices on certain fundamental things, like storage space or whatever, which would then play their indirect influence on the prices of everything else that gets bought and sold throughout the network.

But ultimately we would need our own custom crypto-currency peculiar to our own needs as a network, and centrally controlled. The closest equivalent to what I'm talking about is MMORPGs: essentially online communities with their own economy.

It already is in a sense.

I'm talking about pirating the world wide web, draining it while building ourselves up.

What is hydrus supposed to be in a nutshell anyway?

we should get a shitty irc channel.

ethereum(or whatever it's called) allows you to make currencies with it right?

hard to find a partner to let you gank some of his internet and mail disks back and forth when you have no friends

how are you going to exchange these shitcoins into real money at the value you have attributed to it?

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It primarily was supposed to be an image database. Supposedly if you had a huge amount of images and the filename-folders organization wasn't really cutting it, hydrus would be something you'd use.

However it also has server capabilities.

Your future is guaranteed to be in somewhere dark ...

yeah. you need to be a complete cuck to use a cucked botnet app instead of simple and powerful youtube-dl (which can also download from a shitload of other websites and even has socks5 support)

We don't. The whole point is having our own isolated economy so that it grows and avoids outside manipulation.


Does someone here have youtube-dl installed? Like I said, I kept getting missing dll errors when I tried to install it. So let's test it out and do something concrete instead of just talking.

I've been trying to download the channel youtube.com/user/HoneyBadgerRadio and about half of the videos fail to download. Can someone try it with youtube dl, and upload it to a file hosting service? I have several other channels that I've backed up already so I'll do the same and then share the links.

Let's get some activity going or else it's all speculative bullshit.


I don't know if that's sarcasm but YES I'm actually serious.

Essentially, we are boycotting the current mainstream internet services and in its stead we're using what we've typically been doing (forgoing YouTube and reuploading videos)...

When we download a YouTube video, and reupload to volafile, w/e, it definitely isn't as discoverable as the real YouTube video. And often it's one provided quality that's sometimes have been sacrificed to fit in a 8 MB webm, which leads to anons searching up the source anyways for the higher quality. In a way we're going over to an inferior (lack of) service, that's if you can get everyone on board with your idea, and have curious anons forgo their curiosity about the sources of the content (videos, music, cartoon porn, etc).


And then with the cryptocurrency and shitcoins, it wouldn't be worth the hosting and costs associated with your idea, would it?
I get that this problem is going to lead to using p2p stuff like torrents or ipfs (which is experimental), and we're probably going to exchange hosting for hosting, or seeders paid to seed, if this ever takes off.

If you're running Windows, I'm not sure what you're hoping to get out of this thread.

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Yup, inferior and oldschool as fuck. That will have to be the whole appeal. It will be the old-school, rugged free Internet that we all grew up with. It'll be free and uncensored, but that means it won't come with all the convenience of the modern Internet. Everything is a trade-off.


I WANT them to be curious. I want them to go to the sources of content and help pirate the fuck out of it in order to maintain updated mirrors of live content on the Internet.


How much does hosting cost? You can get 50GB hosting for every free account you set up on mega. The only trouble you go through is ripping and uploading the content. People already do this for free on >>>/killcen/ and >>>/eternalarchive/ . Same thing for people who share stuff on Limewire or by seeding torrents.

I'm not looking for volunteerism. I want competition.

Starting off it'll just be some worthless currency that we pay to each other for something that costs us practically nothing anyway. It won't be about "covering the costs" of anything. The whole point will be to make things into a game and to tap into the spirit of competition.

Some people might just rent out their harddrive space or rip Youtube channels for people who don't know how. Then someone else offers not only storage space but also runs a search engine eepsite on i2p and lets you tag & categorize the stuff that you're uploading. Someone else might happen to have a pay-wall account to a news website or an academic resource, or porn, or they might have a bunch of kindle books from Amazon. For a one-time payment of practically nothing it can be uploaded to the darknet for everyone & start hurting corporate profits.

You just invented Filecoin.
Now just contribute to it and we might get some thing going.

What happens if you pull a 51% attack on Filecoin?

Filecoin itself hasn't even been fully invented yet.


I'm more interested in the social side of things than the technical. There are lots of projects like IPFS attempting to decentralize the Internet. The devs have a build-it-and-they-will-come mentality. If that worked then all websites would be onions & eepsites by now and the NSA wouldn't have a microscope up our asses.

I'm thinking more about how we can organize ourselves into informal networks right now so that we can be the "they" who the devs are thinking about once their software is ready to use.

There's a huge meshnet in Greece somewhere because this one populated area of the coast and populated islands had no internet and made their own. They just wanted to talk to each other. It was not in the plan for making it that it also happens to be basically impervious to censorship and being shut down by natural disaster.
There's two meshnets in in Germany.
One in Seattle and one in Oakland CA.
One in Philadelphia

There are more. Find them and expand them.

Just imagine If everyone on these networks used things like I2P and Tox.

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Bumping for great topic

Mesh networks need to be incentivized. Volunteerism is great when it happens, but there needs to be a personality at the center of it who's motivating and inspiring people. We don't have personalities. I don't have a personality. I'm just appealing to your self-interest: your hatred for surveillance, your greed, a chance to have some fun with it by hurting the profits of companies we fucking hate, and your laziness (just keep doing things you're already doing anyway).

This idea I've laid out for an economy is meant to help fund the creation of a mesh network, or whatever else emerges in its place, but basically a decentralized infrastructure for the Internet. That's not going to work just with the currency idea that I've described here:

Sure we can use it amongst ourselves inside our artificial bubble with an artificial price that we agree on. We can trade files with it, bet on stuff with it, pay some draw-fag who shows up in a thread to do silly little commissions with it. But to fund something like a mesh network we run up against immutable physical costs. So once we adopt a crypto as ours we have to raise it as ours too. That means raising its perceived value to the outside world so it matches the value we've given it.

Precedents already exist for currencies that were never even meant to have an outside value

Look what happened with the QQcoin in China: atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/HL05Cb01.html
Look what happened to MMORPG currencies: ige.com/

With a large enough social acceptance of a currency, it gains real-world value. We do that by making it an integral part of our social milieu, just as virtual currencies are integral to the social milieu of the gaming environment. We constantly find new uses for it and we grow our network until it becomes a financial force in its own right.

Think of it as a way of doing a hard reset on crypto-currencies. The currency we choose doesn't have to be some junk currency like I said before.

There are so many great crypto-currency ideas out there: currencies designed specifically for anonymity among other features. But they're not widely enough accepted for anyone to take advantage of what they have to offer. The raw momentum of Bitcoin dooms everything else to obscurity. This is a way we could start from scratch and choose the perfect crypto for our purposes.

Talking about meshnets, how difficult would it be to build an emitter/receptor laser-based device? I guess we would need a microcontroller to translate electrical impulses to laser and laser to electrical impulses, which can cost between $5 and $10, a laser for emission, which can cost variable amounts of money depending on the color and the quality (I'm not sure which one would be the best suited for long range communications). We would also need a photosensor, but I don't know how much would that cost, then maybe some tools for aligning both extremes with precision, which could be a tripod or a telescope pod. We would need at least two of these for it to work.

Think about it, the only real problem with this is that you need a direct line of sight with the receiver, but if the meshnet gets big enough this shouldn't be a problem. Most countries have regulations in place for aiming lasers at the sky, but not for other purposes, so this is not like radio FCC regulations.

You can technically be completely off the ISP grid this way. You just need volunteers and a few bucks to build one.

See

Yeah, I know having volunteers is vital for this to work, but if you want volunteers to install this device, you first need to have blueprints for this device.

do we already have an irc channel for this project?

Already? We barely even have a thread for it yet. Someone know how to set up a channel? I haven't used IRC since the 90s.

However we could choose a cryptocurrency right now. Any nominations? I recommend something privacy-oriented like shadow coin

Or something shits & giggles oriented like Coinye en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinye


Come ON! This faggot deserves to be fucked with!

I haven't read throught the thread yet but
WinHTTrack Website Copier might be useful

Why don't we set up a private torrent tracker for this? It would be a lot better than relying on random filehosts that are liable to take down our material at anytime or go down completely. The cloud is just a computer that you can't control, we should leverage our own hard drives wherever possible.

Depends on what you're trying to do. If you just want to make a literal copy of a website, same layout and everything, then go ahead.

But I was thinking more in terms of extracting the essential content from a site and making it available to do whatever we want with: like mashing it together with content from other websites that we've pirated and building our own unique darknet websites that way.


It's do-able: lifehacker.com/5952148/how-to-create-a-super-private-bittorrent-community-for-you-and-your-friends

But one thing at a time. We need human networks. If we start wanking over IPFS and private trackers and Ethereum then this WILL be another failed project. Wanking is for porn. I've registered accounts on mega.nz and volafile.io as fuhqman. We can chat live on these spaces. You can add me as a contact on mega and you can join my room on volafile here: volafile.io/r/6W2_ky

And I'm serious about choosing a currency. I want this to be our own insular economy. I'm leaning towards Shadowcoin shadowproject.io because it's privacy oriented, because I don't want to spend forever debating the relative merits of a bunch of cryptos, and because we can always change it later if there's an overwhelming reason to do so.

>anyone here wants anything to do with being locked to a box

Seriously though, it doesn't require this step like installing a FOSS OS to better yourself but it is easily the path of least resistance (you can read, learn and edit your OS to be what you want/need it to be).

Why you guys just hurr durr over a suggestion of an OS change is beyond me. Just have multiple operating systems for multiple uses you autistic NEETs. Hell, even youtube-dl will work fine on OSX boxes which is mostly just a non-free gui/OS based on FreeBSD et al anyway.

Literally >>>/out/

There's a reason these boards have become such shit now and you're the ones to blame.

Things are about to suck for me. There's no fuckin' fucking way in hell that I'm installing Windows 10. But Windows 8 isn't going to be supported forever. So eventually I'm going to have to go Linux 100% even if they don't have all the software that I need.

I've barely ever touched Mac OS before but I'm sure they're not much better in terms of privacy.

This is also part of the reason why I want us to form our own crypto-economy: we could support the software developers who we want to support if we properly monetize our own online activity.

What's wrong with usenet?

hat software do you need?

interesting and necessary topic, shame that OP is so bewilderingly Holla Forums-illiterate that he doesn't even know the meaning of most of the buzzwords he's spouting

I've already taken the following steps:

I'm currently trying to gauge interest in my city for a piratebox mesh (thinking of selling it as a place for club kids to post where the drug dealers are and share music) but I don't think it's trivial to set one of those up

Scraping websites and piracy is all well and good, but how can any Internet truly be free when the backbone is held by monopolistic profit driven corporations who can arbitrarily turn off and on traffic? While the government could in theory combat this, the government is less trustworthy than the Tier 1 backbone operators. What we would really need is a way to get a Tier one connection, along with the subsequent smaller connections, in order to be free from profit motive and goverment regulation.

But its impossible.

So you can decentralize all you want, until various governments pass restrictions on Tier 1 providers to snoop at the engineers level of networking, the Physical layer. Then it will all easily be taken away. Remember that the ISPs are only on your side as long as there is profit. It is not only the government you have to worry about.

What buzzwords?

Mesh networks, like said. But that has to be done in combination with building a community of people who share content. Or else you're back to the whole build-it-and-they-will-come mentality which leads to nothing but disappointment.

Abby Finereader. I've been scanning books in addition to ripping Youtube channels & stuff.

I'm thinking more broadly than even archiving the Internet. People could record their local radio stations, local television, scan their local newspapers, etc. There's way more sources of content we could use for building an alternative network than just what's on the regular Internet.

What is the last logo supposed to be?
It looks a bit like a drunk freenet logo or pissed off glenda.

Just use calibre ffs how can you hold all these quasi-freetard values and use windows it makes no sense

Right now the internet itself is a great example of more information than anyone's able to access -- I'm not saying we should limit it, I agree that adding more sources is a good idea. But individuals need ways of getting to that information in a useful way, which is what your memegraphic implies in its right-hand column. Your point(s) of access to the internet has so much influence on you it defines you as a person. That's why people brought up hydrus before, it's basically a booru (tagging) system for images, but theoretically it could be used for any kind of file, and this could be a sort of decentralized way of organizing and searching information.

After downloading ton's of stuff we'll need a way to share files without the internet and I love the idea of building a fso system or meshnet but it's far to complex for most people, keeping normies out won't do these projects any good.
like OP said "This needs to be something that a broad range of people can participate in"

It needs to be something simple like deaddrops but with a less (both electrically and from an infosec perspective) moronic interface.
What electrically isolated interfaces do modern computers have, maybe some kind of optical IO or are we stuck with radio?


/(drunk )?(pissed off )?(freenet logo|glenda)/

Bad idea, the closest thing they had for years were smarthones with IR for controlling the TV ...

In itself is optical I/O interesting, for it's seed and confidentiality (data goes there where light goes ), but is exposed to some annoying factors like weather dependency, (Wirelesses is too ) and the need to be in direct sight.

irc.rizon.net #testou

What I've been meaning to do is a generalist wiki of files that only stores hashes and meta information so people can find movies and music through IPFS.

An universal tracker essentially.

Call it the CIC, Snow Crash is historical literature at this point.

You're right about optical I/O on normie devices, I thought one of those new ports/interfaces like usb C or thunderbolt were partly optical but they aren't.
Thunderbolt was supposed to be optical but it turns out copper is cheaper and can handle the bandwidth.

My xiaomi memephone note 3 has IR but I've never used it, not really a normie dev though...

IPSF INSIDE I2P WHEN?

If this happened large scale it would mean the media treating it as scary and evil, leading to sheep's believing it is. Then, next time ISIS has a large scale attack they sieze more freedoms up from under us and it all falls apart. If it remains small we get what we currently have, 0 freedoms and a government that treats us all like criminals. At least in Burger Land. If you want it to go well start up a new society somewhere else. Realistically wait for society to collapse and revolution so it can all start again.

/k/ please stay, but don't be that stupid, society will not collapse for quite some time, dictatorships and oligarchies are very stable regimes when people don't yet realize they can overthrow them.

Hell I'm more afraid of a 1984 end of history than a collapse.

java free i2p when?

Now.
There's a c++ implementation.

>geti2p.net/en/download

github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd
Stay pleb.

legit as fuck

It's free open source software and it ain't Java. Whomever develops it has no bearing on its quality and it's not uncommon to let people donate to such projects.

Are you retarded or just a provider of variable geometry goalposts?

Revolutions are not coming any time soon, and I haven't read 1984 yet, but reform like you are saying is coming no time soon. A better option, in my mind is just using mega, and mediafire. If we encrypt EVERYTHING before uploading, and then rather than having public trackers (TPB and KAT are both gone) we have public encryption key lists.

If we all used shitty VPN's and did so, no one would catch on for a long time. All the VPN's logs see is mega and mediafire, nothing shifty there. They can't see what we are getting, but it won't look bad like TPB or KAT. Mega doesn't know anything is up either, it's perfect.

you never heard of the rabbit?
Does someone have the original photo of the rabbit?

ABBY Finereader is OCR software for scanning physical books into Word/PDF documents. Plus I use pirated Windows. God who here pays for Windows?


Choices choices. Getting people on the SAME PAGE with something is the problem. Nobody wants to feel like they're being co-opted into someone elses special snowflake project so we just sit and WANK about all the options out there.

I'm gonna just choose something, start uploading my content, and posting a directory of what I've uploaded so that other people can join in on it if they want. Whether that means signing up to mega, joining retroshare, etc. I'd suggest that other people do the same thing.


I now have a major fucking issue with mega.

I've uploaded all 25GB of The Golden One's youtube channel and I want to share a link to the folder. Turns out it's not that simple. "Links" in mega appear to be a cryptographic hash of what you're linking to. So you have to sit there for hours and wait for mega to create a cryptographic hash of 25 GB of content, which I don't have the fucking time to do. And even if I did, every single time that I add new videos to the folder I'll have to do the same thing again. VERY inefficient.

Of course you could register your own account on mega and just share stuff directly. If you're signed up to mega then add me as a contact. I'm fuhqman.

As of right now I have no uploaded anything to mega, but I will at some point, I will then, if I remember.

Uploading to filelockers like mega will end in tears. Remember what happened to megaupload?

Encrypting/passwording stuff doesn't work either. If you can find the password, so can the copyright holder's anti piracy team.

Secret clubs and private groups lead to rules, politics, drama and quotas. Not to mention that if you can get invited in, so can copyright holders.

Torrents with DHT work fine so long as people seed. To get people to seed you need normies who don't realise they're doing it, and to get normies you need free and easy access to the torrents.

The only real problem here is how to get torrent hashes and normies to meet without having a single point of failure (i.e. the torrent website).

If there was a bitcoin style blockchain of added torrents with a way to vote up good releases and downvote spam/viruses, then we'd have a truly distributed piracy network. Bitcoin for torrents.

All a normie would have to do is install a client, the client would keep itself up to date via all the other clients and they would be able to search for the latest stuff all in the one program. Even easier than the current system (especially with isp blockades becoming common). Anyone would be able to add a torrent, and torrent data would never be lost (though may still run out of seeds).

Anyone here know enough about blockchains to point out a problem with this idea?

the main problem I have with using a blockchain is just how slow and inefficient they typically are. Not to mention massive. I remember running a full bitcoin node a while ago and having to stop because it was growing to be over 60 GB in size.

If you want your distributed tracker to be reliable and future-proof, you'd have to solve these problems. The 60 GB thing seems like it would be fixable with some sort of a checkpoint system, The speed and efficiency, however, while it could probably be helped with some optimizations, is for the most part tied to the "Proof of Work" system it uses, which is intentionally slow and wastes tons of electricity.

I've seen a couple proposals intended to fix this. but none I know of have been proven to be reliable. The main one I'm interested in right now is "BigchainDB," whose consensus system I believe to be at least somewhat based on StellarSCP, which I guess can be described as "take a vote and pick who's other votes you trust." On top of that, BigchainDB seems to really just be a wrapper around RethinkDB (an existing distributed database) that lets the database system take care of receiving/distributing updates, and it just keeps the updates in an "unapproved" database until they reach consensus or are discarded, in which case they are either moved to the "approved" database or deleted. A big plus to using a system like this is that it will have "Linear Scaling," meaning adding nodes to the network actually makes it faster, not slower.

Again, there's no way to tell if BigchainDB will actually work in the real world (I don't believe they even have a working test net, yet), but the point is: wait until we have this, or at least something like this, before you put all your time and effort towards making something that would ultimately end up like the mess that is bitcoin right now.

Just installed a nice fresh Windows and now I've got youtube-dl working. Looks pretty sweet. Downloaded all of Evalion's stuff without a single hitch, just in case she gets kicked off jewtube again.

Oh so what? Nothing worth doing comes without risks. Plus you could compartmentalize things. Have networks specifically for sharing pirated content, run by those with the expertise to deal with the risks. Have other networks for sharing content that won't get the anti-pirates coming after you. This basically means networks that exist to archive stuff such as youtube channels. But we need to think more broadly and include stuff like blogs, image galleries, etc.

It needs to be organized and directories need to be maintained. I'm going to look into >>>/hydrus/ like mentioned and get a better idea of what I can do with it. Tags are good. They're a quick and dirty way of being able to organize things by multiple taxonomies.

There needs to be a shadow economy that will help us grow as a network and encourage innovation like I talked about here:

When Turkey had their coup, a lot of US top brass came out and said their biggest mistake was not shutting down the Internet. If anything serious ever happened in the US, normal Internet would be shut down immediately. You should have a backup plan. You won't be able to build a backup after the Internet is gone.

thanks for your contribution

Plague or cholera? Java or Boost?

Can low level pirates help by selling burned disks?

Sure.


thanks for yours.

Here's what I'm going to do today:

1. Finish syncing up my Shadowcoin wallet that I downloaded last night. I'm serious about the fact that we NEED to make an economy out of this. And even if you're not, Shadowcoin comes with an anonymous messenger. Just get it for that reason alone, and if later on you realize you'd like to use Shadowcoin, well there it is on your harddrive, all synced up and ready to go.

2. Get familiar with >>>/hydrus/ and see what good it is. We need something that organizes our content so that it's more than just a bunch of private stashes of crap that nobody can find.

I've already gotten a VPN. But YOU should have VPN too.


If you want to talk about your favorite pet file-sharing software, go into some actual detail about how to set it up and use it, or talk about it in the context of what you're actually doing right now. There's too much goddamned mental masturbation going on. Do your masturbation over on >>>/wx/

Like i2p? That only nerds can setup and that has less seeders across all torrents combined than one torrent of keeping up with the kardashians?

If pokemon go players can't use your mass piracy system then it's going to die.

Even if you don't care about normies: think back to your first pirate download. Was it an obscure title through an obscure network, or was it a popular game/movie via a popular p2p app/0day website? How did you first pirate something? How do you expect anyone else to if it's just a secret system from a second rate chan site?

Have you even tried the retroshare group?

oh, and if you're only just

maybe you should stop talking so much and start listening to someone like

You realize that every time you've said "we" so far in this thread it's meant absolutely nothing, because you're the only one jerking off in this thread. All your rhetoric has been of social movements and internet communities, but you're on an internet community of like-minded people right now and respond to everything with huge rambling tracts and refuse to do your own research.
why don't you do some fucking research first and then ask a relevant question about the thing they just mentioned? People have chimed in with solutions to distributed file-hosting, content-tagging, consensus-building, encrypted chat,

Plenty of people have suggested a whole range of solutions to a problem that you haven't even properly defined. What do you actually want out of this l33t haxxor sekret club? You said "secession from the internet" but obviously you want to maintain a global computer network of some kind. So, what do you want?

Your talk about crypto-economies is also complete babble, from what I can tell.
It's not minutia to point out that value is not "what we say one shitcoin equals" but rather an inherent quality of the thing. You can call it USD1 or 1GB or a unicorn, but it doesn't change anything. You've already been directed towards filecoin, which is a great idea to encourage people to seed low-supply/high-demand files. There's also storj, which is a cloud where all the data is distributed across the contributers' computers and the users pay the average user for his hdd space and bandwidth. Like an incentivized freenet.

most importantly, this

It doesn't need to be so fucking elite that it's doomed to obscurity. Tech-heads aren't the only non-normies who like to share obscure content. There are MANY types of nerds who could join up if they were stepped though the process: btards, poltards, fucking bronies for all I care. As long as it has a critical mass that gives it a potential for growth.

I include myself in that. I'll be sharing how I set up hydrus, what snags I came across, etc & do the best I can to help people get it running.


Have you? Right now I'm interested in >>>/hydrus/ because it has a lot of potential to bring lots of different boards and obscure Internet niches together. That's what I'm setting up at the moment.

Listen to what? He's talking about the potential grand possibilities "x" technology once it's finally been fully developed and is off the shelf.

Yeah, I'm unloading thoughts that I've had in my head for far too long. I'm not trying to drone on like a fucking douche so sorry about that. I'm mad as fuck about how the Internet is now. I have listened to things that other people have said though. That post about >>>/hydrus/ was a fucking gold mine, and I am doing my research on it right now so I can get it installed. I've been looking for something exactly like this for a long time.

It's an absolutely perfect building block for what I'm trying to do.


- informal networks of people sharing content directly with each other, both their own as well as pirated content
- for this to evolve into an economy, facilitated by crypto-currencies, and for various types of businesses to develop on it
- for this economy to evolve to the point where it can fund its own physical development (people setting up mesh networks & pirate boxes, etc as a profitable venture)


I'm trying to get around a chicken-and-egg problem. How many people actually have any amount of crypto-currency in the first place to build a crypto-economy with? It would take either weeks of mining, or people willing to spend their money to buy crypto-currency directly. How many people are willing to do either one of those things? So I was suggesting that we start by using small quantities of crypto for silly, trivial things that hardly mattered anyway, & letting it grow from there. You light a fire with twigs, not logs.

Storj is interesting too. I'll check it out once I'm done playing with hydrus.

Yes. That's why I mentioned it as an example of something that is too technical and does not work.
Your response shows that you did not, and have nothing of value to add to this conversation.

Classic.
"I'm GOING to..." is worthless. It is literally a dream. Every day I see countless posts about how someone is going to install linux or going to do something or other. It is absolute wasted space.

"I have a question about..."
"I ran into a problem with..."
"I'm trying to..."

"I want to"
"I'm going to"
"Convince me to"

If you were going to install hydrus (whatever the fuck that nobody-has-heard-of technology is) you'd have already done it, already have a youtube link or webm or IGW page on it.

I'm going to: The three most worthless words in the english language.

HAVE.
Hydrus AND Shadowcoin

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can't much blame me for the shadowcoin part.

as for the other, believe what you see when you see it. Other than that I've already uploaded content on mega & given my username in this thread.

Just use microwave links like people have been doing since the 40s.

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Alrighty then. Since it bears on the subject, one of the things we talked about in the original Holla Forums thread was the use of packet radio. I bought two HAM Radio books, scanned them with a hand-held and ran them through ABBY Finereader to turn them into text, painstakingly fixing the errors on every single fucking page.

This is also for anyone who thinks I'm all talk

volafile.io/r/6qlloq

thanks for the deep belly laugh Holla Forums

No problem Holla Forums

Checked.

But I disagree.

Sneakernet is not the goal. Sneakernet is no substitute for telecommunications.

Usenet has some definite points.

Good idea.

Maidsafe wants to do this, but better.

That's like trying to suck the flame out of a candle by touching an unlit candle to its flame.

Piracy is COPYING. Not stealing.

Interesting. Use what forum to communicate? Chans or IRC?

Deep wisdom.

I think you're asking for IPFS plus Bitcoin, or maybe Ethereum, or maybe Maidsafe.


I tried retroshare. I saw nothing of interest. I spent all my time figurin out the interface and downloaded zero files.

I don't just want to pirate content. I want to steal traffic and consequently hurt the revenue of the major gatekeepers of online culture such as Facebook and Youtube. Can't copy that shit. You only take it.


BTW just wanted to say in case nobody knows, hydrus interfaces with IPFS dude!
hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/getting_started_ipfs.html

Holy shit I'm lovin' this more and more. The guy who made this is a fucking god! Check out >>>/hydrus/ I've never found a better tool for people to share their content with each other and build the type of informal networks that we need.

I've already imported all the GB of stuff that I've ever downloaded from the chans and I'm busy getting it all tagged up and ready to share. The only additional feature I'd suggest at the moment is some kind of messaging system, but it's easy to find a substitute for that in the meantime.

I really wouldn't know, I guess that's up to the person who uploads to spread the information as they see fit.

You don't put a gun to the audience's head. So you're not stealing, you're seducing.

You're saying to the general public "I am prettier than YouTube."

And if the public chooses you - that's not stealing. The public doesn't belong to YouTube or any other gatekeeper. If the public chooses to go with you/anyone other than the gatekeepers - that's like a horny woman choosing a sexy man over a less sexy man.

It's seduction, not theft.

Checked.

Nice check.

lol no you're right, but it'll certainly feel that way to the guys who are loosing the traffic. And that makes me laugh because I resent the strangle-hold they currently have over our privacy and free speech.


I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper, nor help anyone else to become a gatekeeper. Sure I'm really enthusiastic about >>>/hydrus/ right now, but I'd be just as happy if everyone started using i2p in mass numbers. Whatever decentralizes and anonymizes the Internet is good in my book, and that means getting people to start using some of the available technologies that make this possible.

There you go.
Anybody else here remember that SLC daycare thing? I don't want to go into discussion about it right now, on account of not wanting to derail the topic of this thread, but I'm just curious.

just reverse google image it

No, I remember the threads, I was there for them.
I was just asking if other people here right now remember it.

Yeah I remember, was just retarded reddit shit wasn't it?

No, there were some shady sites and some mexican with a gun

Are most i2p services dead? I was poking around some eepsites the other day and most seemed pretty inactive. How can I make i2p not shit and what kind of content should I host?


First of all, checkem.

Did you manually reseed? When I first used i2p I had to reseed and wait 40 minutes before I started to connect to any peers. Also, does any kind of error show up after it tests the network?

Just something to keep in mind if you're downloading youtube channels through VPN: it will chew up your monthly allowance of bandwidth pretty fast. Paranoia is expensive.

vf

I'm loving this hydrus. It's the perfect piece of software for building a piracy subculture around. Hydrus plus OCD goes together like peaches & cream. That makes it fun to learn for anyone like me who's got a ton of shit that I've downloaded from chans over the years. It's about time that the concept of a file management system got an overhaul anyway.

I say download it, get all your shit organized like I'm doing now, and then connect to his repository & share.
hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/

You guys really should try Aktie. It brings you both the anonymity and security of I2P while doing distributed private messaging, distributed bulletin boards, and filesharing. All in one application.

Post a link. Startpage AND Google aren't bringing up anything related to what you're talking about.

This is why we need to decentralize the web. Let this enrage you.

WE NEED TO GAS THE GOVERNMENT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Quality shitpost kiddo, kys

OP here.

So...I'm getting used to hydrus and organizing years of shit that I've downloaded from chans.

I'm also going though this page hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/getting_started_local_booru.html and getting my head around how to share stuff, but apparently you need to share a link that contains your external IP which I'm not cool with. I'll see what my options are for anonymity first.

But recapping from the rough outline of how I see an alternative Internet coming into being goes:

1. informal networks of people sharing content directly with each other, both their own as well as pirated content
2. for this to evolve into an economy, facilitated by crypto-currencies, and for various types of businesses & services to develop on it
3. for this economy to evolve to the point where it can fund its own physical development (people setting up mesh networks & pirate boxes, etc as a profitable venture)

With lots of overlap. But I'd like to talk about step 2.

I know it's more >>>/biz/ related than Holla Forums related. But it's meant to serve a purpose that's near & dear to Holla Forums so I wanted to start a conversation on ways that a crypto-economy could at least start. It would probably have to be simple, trivial stuff that people are already doing anyway. We take those things and turn them into crypto-businesses:

Patreon-style crowd-funding of OC: Crowd-funding of OC boards such as >>>/spacechan/ or 7chan.org/elit/ etc
Gambling: Betting on stuff like bitbet.us/ does. Anything would be fair game from political events to sports to bullshit Internet drama.
Escrows: Related to gambling but could be used for lots of other things too. People who've developed a trusted reputation could start escrow businesses.
Pirating Commercial Content: You resell the content that you get from behind pay-walls, be it porn, netflix movies, scientific research articles, etc. You could upload a video to the network for a one-time crowd-funded fee, paid in Shadowcoins. You make a profit, and individual crowd-funders pay next to nothing.

This is a broader discussion than the scope of Holla Forums really allows for. I've started my own board >>>/newinternet/ for anyone who wants to go into it further.

Stopped reading there

sure you did user. sure you did

Just asked about it over on >>>/hydrus/ & got this response:


hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/help/getting_started_ipfs.html

There's something else too besides building mesh networks: steganography. Software like desudesutalk would be a good example but it could get a lot more sophisticated than that. If the government ever decides to ban encryption & p2p, steganography would be our only option as far as software solutions go. Darknets would have to run inside the shadow of major content sharing sites: porn tubes, image galleries, file hosting services, etc.

FUCKING BUMP

Fucking corpos and bastard elites wants to steal and control our internet with massive censorship, spying, laws and other bullshit. It's been going on for years and many people fended off a lot of bills in nigg' Obama's time that would constrict the internet but then it failed in the end and now that TPP is here.
TPP is basically overseas partnership of nations but they had to follow whats in it. It's like trojan horse, good for many reasons to them but much of poison from past bills that harm tech and internet were hiding in a huge textbook so no one finds it in plain sight.

What we really need right now is
foss secure anonymous decentralizedseverely encrypted
network

Speed (latency/ping) would really be terrible in here like on tor or meshnets alike but at least it's got freedom and privacy. We can use the internet itself as medium of connection or design a new network from scratch, I believe that Tim Berners-Lee once said that we can build a new internet in a matter of years (if funded well) because he himself is saddened when seeing the current state of internet.

By design:
#immune to DDoS (not mitigation) - requests based or if flooded with request then floods the requester itself (mirror).
#meshnet routers which can be builth with sjw Pi and be installed with custom can-be-self-compiled-backdoorless-foss firmware that is easy setup and configure
#independent and commune or crowd-powered ISP (running in free software and hardware and if it uses wireless connection then it should get IEEE certification if its illegal to put up wireless shit w/o fucking government's permission or just do it the hacker's way ;D)

We can either use pre-existing network hardware or make a new one since most good long-range wireless networks like wimax or 3g is proprietary which is why not anyone can self-host an ISP or network (or if someone has the guts to reverse engineer and replicate this technology as open sauce)

The only problem we're facing is those cryptocurrencies. They will make internet plans harsher and even more expensive (backed by rockefeller)

It has to fund itself by serving as a medium for a black market economy.

How are cryptocurrencies a problem? They're the solution! How else to you run a black market economy these days?

Good point.
Good point.
It's not problem in a sense but I see it as a weakness considering the strength it possess.
The bankers will surely do anything to destroy any competition (but luckily it isn't at the moment). The throne has been theirs for years but suddenly cryptocurrencies. Considering that the elites have control over most tech providers and ISPs then they can manipulate it once those destructive "normies" thrive in it while crying "social correctness. remove pedo, remove blackmarket, shut it down :^)"

Steganography. Until we have a physically separate internet (mesh network) steganography may be our only option for a darknet if these idiots ever start banning encryption & banning protocols that they don't like. We'll have to hide stuff inside of innocuous-looking Internet traffic.

The folks running the porn tubes could help a lot with this. They might be just amoral enough to be willing to allow their services to be used in this way. As long as it boosts their ad revenue.

Steganography would be nice and also make the network as fast as the surface web but also as vulnerable.
I do hope that the new meshnet will be immune DDoS and other silly tricks like service provider Mitm or DNS hijacks.

The most compatible government in this case would be Pirate Party. Until they pass laws that would hopefully not be ammended by next governance it would be fine.

No. Taking something without buying it is stealing.

good goy

I've got hydrus running and apparently I've got ipfs working. Do these links work for anyone else besides me?

ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNUumH6QpMSdDsDA6WnQZpZp6QKdeUtKRnn3BFPJg3EwQ
127.0.0.1:8080/ipfs/QmNUumH6QpMSdDsDA6WnQZpZp6QKdeUtKRnn3BFPJg3EwQ

Stealing back the Internet - ok, but well it's not really stealing though, just carving out a non-crappy place (something not corporate Web 2.0 related).

But if you want to keep the new place free from corruptioni, you'll have to make it so that normies aren't ever interested to go there at all, ever. It has to be a place where only neckbeards even want to go. Something like Gopher protocol, telnet BBS, MUDs, and Usenet-style networks (not even the real Usenet, another one entirely) where there's no hand-holding or graphical interfaces. Otherwise, it will just get invaded and you'll be back to square one.

Piracy is copyright infringement, not stealing.

make it trendy somehow

I remember this. He posted shitty fan art of le ebin 90s cartoons with the word VOLKNET shooped into it in big nazi font. For some reason Double D was a nigger in this picture.

Is it possible to build an API that connects you to this network? Example would be if you had some chat software, and if tor releases an API that connects the software to the tor network (if included). I think that'll attract devs the most to use the anonymous network.

That's the one. But it was too campy & special snow-flakey to gain any serious traction. So I'm coming at it from a direction that can appeal to a lot of different boards instead.

Like I've said, the first thing I want to do is build informal networks of people who scrape, pirate and share content: PDFs, archived youtube channels, scanned books, kindle books, etc. With Hydrus plus IPFS that's fucking easy. You can instantly create an IPFS directory of exactly the stuff you want to share, and all you have to do is post the IPFS link. Anyone wants to look at it, they have to install IPFS themselves. You could do this from whatever boards you lurk on and encourage it as a habit.

Only problem left is how to hide your IP address. IPFS is a protocol, not a privacy tool. Last I heard the IPFS devs still haven't gotten around to i2p integration yet. You can still share stuff with it, but just remember that your privacy isn't protected yet and keep that in mind when you decide what it is you want to share.

Loads for me. The ipfs.io link is a gateway, so if it loads that means it's working.

I feel the same way, a lot of the other threads come off as paranoid and I feel like it will be a matter of time before people start posting about how going off the grid is botnet because there's nanobots in the soil

Shit I hope I didn't just give people ideas

What are some good anonymous hosting services? They have to accept crypto, not be subject to DMCA, not require personal information, and be in a suitable jurisdiction (aka NOT the United States)

Decentralized is all well and good, but even when it comes to regular hosting providers we can still be smart. I'm sure they have their uses IF incorporated into the larger goal of decentralizing the Internet.

Anyone got any favorites?

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