Innawood

How exactly are you being held back from doing that in your current situation today? How exactly would moving to an island help develop such technology?

Problem with that plan is that only islands that no one cares about are ones that no one wants to live on.

Other problem that I seen about your plan is that you want society where each and every of your people is doing science or engineering (or whatever) but current technology is not advanced enough to fully replace manual labour.

You'd survive long enough to attempt it.

Both of your points are true. The first could be addressed with a decent tech build out up front (greenhouses, fabrication plants, etc) the second could be addressed by getting the right people (pretty much everyone would need to be a jack of at least a handful of trades in addition to sci/tech capabilities.)

It might be possible to buy something like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Île_Amsterdam

Enjoy being treated like North Korea then invaded.

if you don't have nukes, it's not happening.

Literally noone will give that much of a crap about a couple thousand (at most) scientists and engineers isolated in the middle of the Indian Ocean like suggested.

If the winds are strong and constant, surely this can be harnessed large-scale for power production. Is there any reason that dwellings and other structures need to be above ground? I'm no farmer, but a subterranean farm with a durable, retractable transparent ceiling would work.

It is a volcanic rock - so it's pretty well solid. That said concrete is pretty wind-proof and there's also an enormous shallow bay to build in between the main island and a few little ones to the north.

So the question becomes whether it's more cost-effective to transport tons of concrete or heavy equipment to cut into the rock. The shallow bay would only be accommodating for so long before port infrastructure takes priority over housing there. Are you referring to Anchorage bay or Ringdove?

The universe is 13.8 billion years old. We can observe it back almost that far. It certainly disproves 'anti-gravity' as well as 'time-travel'. I consider that quite a well-established.

Utter bullshit. Both gravity and quantum mechanics are provably true, not false. What we don't know yet is what gravity actually is, only what it does.

True enough. So apparently every.fucking.civilization. except the first was dependent on the earlier ones were dependent on those that came before. Agreed tbh. Not that you'll achieve anything, but you're fantasy civilization will be no different. The context of your statement proves that directly.

You know, you can throw thoughtless words together in the old 'baffle em with bullshit' theme, and it still doesn't mean anything. They're a dime a dozen.

The part between Antipodes island and Bollons island - it's about a 1,000 foot stretch of very shallow water - could feasibly build on it with concrete.

That is absurd. Neither of those are disproved from how far back we can look at the universe and we aren't even certain our observation of the universe isn't even a Rindler Horizon (which itself again has no bearing on either of those potential techs.)
Bullshit. The two cannot be reconciled so one of them is at best a good approximation, if not both of them.
That is an absurd statement to draw from what I wrote. Advancing the Human corpus doesn't mean recreating it from scratch, it means advancing it beyond the current state of it.
Yep, haven't done that.

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Go back to Holla Forums, kid.

I remember this thread. If I remember, Holla Forums decided that the best course of action would be to live like technological gypsies in Romania. We'd drive from town to town in a large motorcade, doing freelance work and distributing free software in every village.

Definitely a different thread, in the original it devolved into a flamewar about true computer security and air-gapped networks the board owner called the most technical discussion he had seen on the board. My ideal would be more a society run by nerds where the marketing, sales and business positions are heald in their rightful place (as thankless unpaid cron jobs and forums.)

Why not start in one of those ghost towns that were left uninhabited when recession came? Or in some empty village?

A few reasons:
-no insulation from economic turmoil
-no insulation from social changes
-likely to be v& as a cult
-without the ability to be an actual country you can't claim the .js gTLD and reap the sweet income of special snowflake web developers willing to pay a grand a year per domain
-stuck with the fiat currency of the host nation
Could probably list more, but there's no real freedom without an island nobody else wants.

gay as fuck thread

kek

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While I don't have $15,000, I think this is a bloody great idea. Godspeed, user, and may the memes be with you.

What's your problem?

Go back to Tumblr, kid.

Praise the great and glorious frog god!

good luck fam

literally african-tier

Literally SJW-tier.

kek. both gay. sage

anti-sage

If this happens a temple to Kek will be made.

The most important thing is creating your own digital currency.

A group currency, where you give each person in the group X per year.

Then deprecate the currency 5% per year, to avoid inflation.

Greenhouses, melting sand to get glass. Dirt compacting machine to produce bricks.

Sun evaporates water in greenhouse, producing fresh water.

Greenhouse and hydroponics (sea solids) for food.

You need CNC machines, digital manufacturing cells, ion beam lithography for semi conductors.

You need to ensure massive infrastructure investment.

You also need fuel. You need to grow algae in pools and then heat at 300 degrees C for several hours to get biofuel. Look up biodiesal.

You need to list the technologies, then recruit sponsors and get a few putting $150,000 a year and others putting in $20 a month. You need about 1,000 people funding the technology development on a monthly basis.

You have to remain focused and diligent.

Also, billionaires are building their own off grid Island communities.

They even have a base under the ice sheet in Antarctica, south of New Zealand, to survive the war. They have been building tunnels and underground cities, since Egypt.

You can fund it by presaling certificates for real estate at a discount.

Or sell it to the weathy as an ecology project. You only need one eccentric rich person, to get you a few million a year.

However, you lack organization and energy. You have to split it up and its 30 sub-projects and each one needs effort and work. Living on the island will force you to solve the problems.

You also have to learn to use Taobao.

This could be done with some land in Northern Maine. Much better than a fucking island.

I agree.

That was the original plan for Innawood, though it only got up to 60 people after about a year of recruitment.

60 is a lot dude! Why is that bad? A community of 60 nazis can spread the work out evenly.

Yeah that's no reason to quit. 60 nazis strong can make camp on an island.

60 is still cult-level (in the sense it would guarantee getting Waco'd), aside from the fundraising issue. To reproduce the entire tech tree we currently have (assuming extremely lean processes) it would take at least 1,000 highly competent individuals (assuming women could be put to work to some usable degree so it wouldn't be like a slave camp of engineers it would be 1,000 households.) Likewise it would take at a bare minimum of around $15m to get all the raw materials to get going (this is the rationale for the $15,000 pledge for signing up on the innawood.org site), the land (not an island, those are more expensive) and a scary-slim (1 of each) set of machinery (like CNC, lathe, etc to produce more machinery and tools - not even counting disposable tool heads which would have to be manufactured within the town to avoid going broke) to build the more niche machinery.

True self-sufficiency isn't really cheap in terms of initial investment nor labor (using unskilled labor you would likely have to at least multiply the initial population by 10) if you don't want to go full-caveman and a dead-end in life for everyone joining. If you don't go for self-sufficiency from the start (or at least a bootstrappable route to it) the end result is everyone who joins ends up hitting a literal dead-end in life from which there is unlikely to be recovery.

Bumping because it's actually interesting.