You have 30 seconds to explain why you haven't read this

it has actual criticisms in it

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This is now a Green Day thread.

RETARDED AS FUCK.

It's not all bad.
esr.ibiblio.org/?p=538

alias rm='rm $([ ~ = "$pwd" ] && printf "%s" "-i")'
is not very elegant either.

People like Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, Rob Pike, Richard Stallman, ...

stopped reading there

How bout "Don't break for the state quo for the sake of breaking the status quo"?
That's by far the bigger problem with western civilization right now

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Is the drummer missing a leg?

Because nobody gives a shit about your garbage meme distro books.

you buffoons. this book is written by idiots and contains a lot of bullshit but also is essential reading for anyone who uses unix. most of their complaints are actually about various fuckups attributable to berkeley students.

If I had to choose the idiot from a bunch of doctors of computer science, and a pooposter from a Mongolian basket weaving forum, I'd probably choose one of the doctors too, good call user.

It's a good read and I recommend.
Some stuff got better since the late 90's and early 00's, like X11. Don't get me wrong, it still far from good, but it's better than the garbage that was on the HP/UX and IBM AIX.
Unix is a virus so powerful, it killed its decedents. It's a shame that Plan 9 and Inferno never went mainstream (between programmers, enthusiasts and people who can read the manuals). Said systems were designed from ground up to be better where Unix failed, bitmap interface, security, network (file sharing, remote access, mail...)

— Eric S. Raymond

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I haven't read for pleasure in 10 years.
The only reason I read anymore, is to absorb knowledge.
Some editorial about how shit unix is isn't worth the time I could spend on investigating Jewish subversion.

The one on the left looks like an old man posing as a younger man.

— Eric S. Raymond

— Dennis M. Ritchie

IS IT SICP?
YES [ ]
NO [ X ]

Art for art's sake is pointless, art has always been a response to life. Would you ever spend time writing code with no purpose and say that you were proud of it? No? Exactly, because it's useful to no one.
The status quo needs a good breaking, people are sick of it, it's like an abusive girlfriend, intrusive, restrictive and manipulative.

I've written fun code with no useful purpose.

I read it partially.
What I took from it is that Unix lost it's way and started accumulaing cruft and complexities.

There were also people who were forced to use Unix and just wanted their oldn OS back, I feel for them, but it's not code, it's office politics.

Or people trying to critique Unix Way itself. Didn't find their arguments compeling.

>art has always been a response to life.
Implying there no other reason like to express themselves, to express feelings, opinions, to make your idea come to life, or maybe just simply creation.

This.

All of those things are a response to life, if you dig deep enough, you expressing feelings and opinions as art because you want to be heard. You want to make your idea come to life because it changes something you don't like about the world, whether it be just the fact that your work doesn't exist yet, that it fills a hole inside you or that it makes you feel like you contribute something to the world and aren't a powerless cog in a machine. When I started programming it was because I wanted to see something done my way, in my 10 year old head, that was a game, over time it evolved into a coping mechanism and a way to rebel against what I saw wrong with the world. I guess you could say that the two reasons aren't too different, the reason just matured.
The only other actual reason people make art is money, and all of that art is cancer and I barely consider it art.

Anything with purpose is useful to someone, in this case, it was useful to you, because it provided you with enjoyment.

In that case, can you give an example of something truly pointless? If it's really pointless then what caused it?

Why people hate Unix thread becomes Green Day thread becomes coding as an art form thread.
I am enjoying this greatly.

That's what being a stoner all your life does to you.

i actually have read it and it's mostly all ancient shit

rm -rf /
by mistake

yeah they have a point that cli isn't friendly and it's a pita until you get used to it but it's too old to be funny

It's good if you like learning about the history of software.

GNU is much UNIX fundamentally.

All i'm getting is that UNIX is old so there might be old code in it. I dont understand why everything has to be new for you "muh progress" fags to like it.

UNIX isn't X11

GNU is compatible with Unix, but made with a completely different design philosophy that lets it avoid a lot of Unix's problems.

You mean Hurd, since GNU is a userland while Hurd is a kernel. But since Hurd will never be finished you surely mean the Linux kernel, itself a UNIX clone made from the ground-up, but you can hardly say it avoids UNIX' problems

What are you talking about? Unix is more than just a kernel, and the unix philosophy applies to a lot more than just the kernel. Do you even know what a kernel is?

GNU is not exclusively userland, I think you're confusing all of GNU with GNU coreutils, which are userland. The GNU label includes Glibc and a bunch of other stuff.

*is userland

The userland is every part of the operating system that's not the kernel. That includes glibc and a lot of programs that are not part of the coreutils.

I don't want to use Unix anymore if plebs like you are on it.

We can pretend HURD is relevant and say they encompass kernel space as well.

I don't know definition of life you are taking about, but general, People can make art for various different reasons still sometime different or beyond life, from sing about how furniture is a piece of crap to just making art from something you yourself believe.
There more to making then just x most of the time, especially comes the art, an art form will be subjective as all hell no matter what, that i'm what i was trying to say.
Just to say it's only for one reason when making to art is bullshit, the from that has only one reason is probably erotica/porn, The change what you don't like about life maybe the reason for why you make art, but there reasons why other people make art besides greed.

I'm not saying it is pointless, i'm saying something pointless can have a purpose in life, for you want a example then read The Philosophy of Film Noir. on page 99 there is the sense in which having or lacking a purpose is attributed to things, such as a row of trees or a pile of rocks. Such things may have (or not have) a purpose depending on whether they have (or have not) been put to use by those who have purposes of their own, in the first sense of purpose:
A row of trees growing near a farm may or may not have a purpose: it may or may not be a windbreak, may or may not have been planted or deliberately left standing there in order to prevent the wind from sweeping across the fields.
Again something pointless can have there meaning and purpose, sometimes right alright or even before it, or just overtime, personally you make your own purpose thought life, over time and etc, people aren't just born with a purpose most of the time, and others forget or don't know that sometimes.

Good, I don't want people with abysmal taste in music ruining my Unix.

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This entire thread screams summer

all your musical tastes ITT is generic normalfag car-radio pop trash

Well that's a blast from the past. I don't have anything to explain though: I already did read it, in paperback.

-- Eric S. Raymond

YOU SEE IVAN
WHEN EVERY ERROR CASUE KERNEL PANIC
YOU ALWAYS WRITE BUG FREE SOFTWARE
BECAUSE OF FEAR OF CRASHING THE WHOLE SYSTEM
(This is what UNIX users actually, unironically believe.)
(And they're kinda right tbh.)

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:^)