Why is Sony Vegas such a piece of shit? No really, here:s something I:ve been pondering. I:ve been using this software for nearly a decade now. I:d like to know why in the name of all that is fucking holy that in the year of our lord 2016, Vegas doesn:t support motherfucking MKVs. Yeah yeah yell at me all you want about recontainering and all that shit but the fact of the matter is that a piece of professional editing software much of the industry relies on is still a picky motherfucker when it comes to file formats. If an avi looks at it the wrong way, it shits the bed. If an MP4 isn:t in the exact specifications of it:s liking, it will bitch at you to install QUICKTIME instead of just looking for a codec. And how come it:s still Wangblows only after all these years? Why isn:t this shit on OSX or GNU/Linux? Why do they still FORCE me to use Windows to do my fucking video editing?
Alright when one of you goddamned faggots makes a video editor that:s just as powerful as any of the big dogs let me know. And not one of those fucking things that has to RERENDER a shitload of uncompressed footage every time you make a splice.
Blender is the only thing that can compete feature wise with Vegas but like everything with blender, you will have to relearn everything the blender way.
Andrew Rivera
I use Hitfilm. it's an editor and a compositor and it's free.
Wyatt Campbell
Jesus Christ, that reminds me of when Apple raped the A/V abstraction that allowed every piece of Mac (and most Windows) media software stretching from the early 90s into the late 2010s (minus only the classic-OSuX break) to seamlessly import and export every format anyone ever wrote a CODEC for by "upgrading" to QuickTIme X, which has NO 3RD-PARTY PLUG-IN ARCHITECTURE. Also, fuck FCPX
OP, be thankful Windows still supports DirectShow filters. If you're getting tired of Vegas, try Premiere, it's improved considerably since the old days. If you're feeling ambitious, try a real video editor like Avid or Smoke.
Logan Adams
It installs QuickTime? Just in case you didn't know, QuickTime has been abandoned (surprise surprise) by Apple and it contains multiple vulnerabilities. By extension, your movie editing software is obsolete. I would start learning something else as soon as possible.
I've heard Blender is being adopted in professional studios in light of Maya redesigning their UI (because that's really the only way proprietary software vendors can sell you the same product over and over again). It can do just about anything, but the UI is very, very unforgiving and it appears very complicated.
Personally, After Effects (original) and Premiere Pro 2.0 do everything I need them to, while being familiar, and free (though still proprietary). It works for Mac and runs through Wine fantastically (with equal, if not better performance). The entire Creative Suite 2 is free, in fact, which is great because I consider the constant CS redesign silly and unwarranted. Hell, I still think Photoshop 6 is perfect, but what do I know.
I haven't tried dragging MKVs into projects though, one detail I forgot. I usually go over everything with ffmpeg to get it into the right format without degrading quality if I can help it.
Cooper Long
blender is industry standard and the future tbh. why fuck around wasting time with vegas when in 5 - 10 years time if you can't into blender you won't have a job making videos?
Juan Lopez
You aren't even using the fucking program right. Get good, it's not the software's fault you're stupid.
Mason Torres
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Alexander Moore
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Ayden Kelly
DO NOT SAY THAT FUCKING KDENLIVE IS GOOD AT ALL! It crashes if you have more than two clips in the timeline, especially if you try to do effects. Trying to do a simple task such as just tilting the y so it's at 0 when clipping the edges off crashes the piece of shit. Fuck that program. But yeah it's pretty good too OP.
Blake Scott
Blender editor is shit and unusable when working with videos.
Aiden Wilson
Jesus fuck you sound like a Freetard trying to explain why they think Windows is shit
Just export your media and select the "Video for Internet 720p/1080p" option and you're fucking done
Can't prerender videos all the way? You need to increase RAM allocation
Crash while use/while rendering? You need to disable GPU render, because AMD still can't properly make a decent graphics driver that doesn't break compatibility with fucking everything after every update
Yes, because you're trying to export an mp4 that uses QuickTime related codecs you stupid piece of shit Neither does Holla Forums, or YouTube, or fucking anything else, just use a converter shit dude what the fuck is wrong with you? Its obviously because they hate you specifically you narcissistic fuck, its because nobody fucking uses OSX or GNU/Linux much less anyone in the film industry
You are delusional if you think anyone in Hollywood is wasting their time on some autistic interface on a program made for 3D modeling to edit their high-budget films
Ian Collins
Or be smart and make your own render templates.
Or just stop buying shitty meme hardware from shitMD and get something that actually works like an NVIDIA GPU. Even the Intel integrated GPU works great for GPU-enhanced rendering.
Blake Davis
This. Well they fucking should. Lots of Hollywoodniggers are Macfags. I'd say most people that professionaly use Premiere do it on a Mac. This, again.
Connor Long
They should since Intel HD GPUs have dedicated hardware based video decoders. Not sure about AMDs shit though. All I know is Vegas was originally optimized for AMD and yet they still managed to break compatibility because AMD is such a shitty company
Zachary Edwards
Yes, everything needs to change to fit YOUR needs and desires for some shitty meme format. MKV is fucking garbage, there is zero reason to use it over anything else.
Gabriel Scott
You're confusing the film industry with the music industry
Brayden Adams
I know people who have done work in the movie industry. This is the case.
Luke Morgan
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Ayden Myers
Better than what you have.
Landon Rodriguez
And I have family who works in Hollywood, it is most certainly not the case. You'll see the casting directors use Macs as well as the sound guys but the editing and special effects guys? They still use Windows-based workstations
Nicholas Johnson
Pathetic.
Jack Bell
:^)
Charles Wright
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Aaron Flores
kdenlive is absolute shit. Crash constantly.
Adrian Sanchez
you may be running a deprecated version. I'm on Mint and the kdenlive in the repos is fucking ancient.
Isaiah Fisher
No it:s just shit user.
Kevin Jackson
Openshot 1.4.3 is pretty good. I've made tons of OC with it.
Don't use the latest version though; for some reason 2.0.7 is a crashy, ugly piece of shit that doesn't handles audio like a retard.
Jack Sanchez
I thought the SFX folks used a bunch of proprietary shit on UNIX workstations.
Though maybe that was the 90s. RIP SGI.
Parker Morgan
3D uses autodesk shit like maya/3dsmax on powerful windows machines, composition uses shit like autodesk Smoke.. Backend render farms can be whatever
Gabriel Morales
Blender VSE is a pretty powerful video editor, it kinda sounds like you didn't bother learning how to use it.
Bentley James
Yep. I used it a bit and it's not very intuitive. But once you learn it, it is a good video editor. Definitely better than kdenlive. It's one of those cases, where it seems like autistic hell only if you don't bother learning it. It does have a few flaws though, like not handling multiple videos with different fps properly, so you have to sort that out in advance.
Charles Fisher
I just use the 'speed control' effects strip in that situation, but yeah, you can always fix that sort of thing in advance.
Landon Scott
Shame they don't offer an appimage like krita in that case.
Matthew Martinez
Looks unintuitive and shit, and of course you're using it to re-encode some faggot cartoon.
Kayden Long
I suggest to anons wanting a good and libre video editor (that's isn't vapoursynth) to watch closely github.com/MrKepzie/Natron
Thomas Watson
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Carter Cook
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Joseph Scott
Doesn't look all that bad to me...
Honestly, It seems like people who bitch about Blender's UI must never see the horrible interfaces some studios use for their custom software.
Evan Young
Nobody said BVSE was 'Intuitive' (no NLE is really), just that it's a powerful video editor that will get the job done, IF you take the time to learn how to use it.
Kayden Ramirez
It beats OpenShot and Pitivi. Not that that's saying much...
Levi Cox
Gee, I wonder which one is a smarter idea.
Oliver Harris
I remember when i tried to get into video editing.
It boiled down to me googling some neato ffmpeg commands and and how to use libx264 to transcode stuff. I even built a shitty python GUI for splicing up videos.
I just want to get paid for playing video games and crying like a whine ass on camera. Ahh, the dream.
Thomas Ortiz
Ages? Try two or three hours of watching tutorials on youtube. Then again, from the way your posts read, your brain must be so riddled with ADHD I imagine that would seem like ages...
Jonathan Gonzalez
Have you tried Hitfilm?
Jordan Miller
If you need to pile through hours of tutorials to do basic shit, your software is fucking garbage.
TRANSCODING IS NOT EDITING
Christopher Evans
But that's bullshit user... If you sit anyone who's never used an NLE in front of Sony Vegas, they'll be just as lost as they would be with Blender. None of the powerful NLE's are 'intuitive' by design. I mean, look at this shit.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
user you have to be autistic to not be able to figure out how to use Vegas in like 10 minutes. Here, I even made a shitty basic tutorial for all you lazy motherfuckers.
Elijah Hughes
This coming from the lazy faggot who thinks watching watching a some tutorials is too much to deal with...
Your autistic little diagram doesn't do anything to make the UI look any more intuitive (because you have to explain all that shit to a new user). If anything, it makes BVSEs interface look clean by comparison.
Tyler Sanders
*This coming from the lazy faggot who thinks watching some tutorials is too much to deal with...
(No idea what happened there, either I'm too sleepy or drunk atm)
Jaxon Peterson
Where is the fucking global timeline? What is this, a NLE for cavemen?
Gabriel Cruz
I don't do NLE but isn't that very clearly the bar at the bottom?
Nolan Butler
Nigger you can look at the diagram for 10 seconds and understand it. You really only have to look at it if you're REALLY retarded.
And I don't wanna hear any of that shit from someone that recommends fucking BLENDER of all things (the least user friendly piece of software ever made next to The GIMP)
Brayden Johnson
That's not a global timeline... You don't edit anything on the global timeline.
Dominic Thomas
Blender is different from other NLEs sure, but its no harder to learn from zero than any other powerful video editor.
You're used UI in Vegas, so of course, you'll just bitch at anything that isn't similar to Vegas.
Jace Torres
Why is everyone replying to this guy? He's clearly subtly trolling or an assblasted idiot who doesn't want to put in the little bit of effort to learn another video editor. God damn, the quality of posts here has gone down..
Jaxson Anderson
You have a point, user. Even if he's not a troll, It's not worth trying to help people who don't want to put forth any effort on their own part.
Tyler Cooper
Too bad it takes fucking millenia to render.
Lincoln Garcia
Premiere is fine. Final Cut is fine. Blender is not.
I'm not trolling, I'm complaining about legitimate problems with software that I and many others rely on. I want there to to be a good FOSS video editor, but that doesn't seem to be the case. AV related free software is seriously lacking and it's unfortunate. However, we can't even begin to think about making good free AV software when the proprietary shit can't even get the job done.
James Mitchell
I see SOMEONE bought into the AMD meme...
Evan Baker
But there is a good Free/libre video editor, user. You're just too lazy to set aside a couple hours to learn how to use it.
You have yet to point out an actual problem with BVSE other than le 'It's different, I hate it'. So it's no wonder people would accuse you of trolling.
Jace Martin
m8, Piledriver shines in well multithreaded stuff. It's just outdated.
Leo Rivera
Is that why AMD is ditching its architecture come Zen?
It takes about 15-16 minutes to render a 10 minute video (Big Buck Bunny) with H.264+AAC at 1080p with my ageing Ivy Bridge CPU. Not the best, but not all that bad either.
Carson James
Yes. CMT is a pretty good idea compared to SMT, but not for "desktop" use. Especially since most software in single threaded shit or Bethesda gaymes. We can actually see in benchmarks of modern engines like idtech6 or UE4 that piledriver works pretty well when cores are used.
Ayden Fisher
kys
Daniel Martinez
Great post 10/10
Matthew Harris
Except it's the UI is shit, and overly complicated.
Brandon Lopez
It's not eve capable of doing half the shit I need a high end video editor for, hell Vegas BARELY gets the job done. If it were any shittier I'd use Premiere.
Grayson Myers
But that isn't remotely difficult you fucking retard. Also >>>Holla Forums
Also Hi Logan It's pure fucking garbage. Also
Holy fucking shit, the reddit is strong here. Why don't you go downvote a few posts to make yourself feel better?
And you're forgetting all this is because some retard OP doesn't know how the fuck to use a program and refuses to adapt to anything but his shitty meme MKV format.
Asher Walker
Stop being a faggot and actually say what it is you think it can't do. I'm starting to think the user was right about you just trolling.
Jordan Green
Want to know how I know you're not from around here?
Angel Rivera
Mein Gott, you are dumb. Here let me run through your little list.
That "graph paper" is the graph editor, a very handy tool for things like changing audio pitch and image opacity.
That "random shit" is clearly labeled.
The "two timelines" you are looking at are the VSE and the Global timeline, the later is very useful as a companion map to the former.
The "viewport" can be any fucking size/shape you want.
So tell me faggot, what exactly else are you not clear on?
William Adams
I keep feeding the troll? You got me there, I guess.
Oliver Perry
I work with lots of MKV files and recontainering shit constantly on my fucking dual core workstation is a pain in the ass. When I do work for actual people I don't need to worry about MKVs but when I'm doing hobbyist shit I need to work with them because EVERYTHING you torrent is MKV.
Christopher Davis
Holla Forums went to shit a long time ago. Where the fuck have you been?
Kayden Morgan
Yeah, that's the thing user... You have yet to point out an actuall problem with BVSE, you just spout off about how it's shit while being unable to explain why.
You go through the screenshot I posted showing you have no idea what you're even looking at. And the worst part of that is the fact that this is BLENDER we are talking about!
The UI can literally be arranged anyway you want it to be. Don't like the Graph editor or the global timeline (retard)? Get rid of them! Want a wide-screen view port? Make as many as you want!
This is how I know you don't actually know shit about what you're bitching about, because it's all eiter moot or minor.
Jason Price
Want to know how I can tell you spend too much time here?
Liam Rodriguez
Sony Vegas definitely does have that problem. Do you think that a beginner could figure out how to put a video over another video or add an image over a video by themselves?
Adam Bennett
>>>/reddit/
Found your problem there. Why are you doing serious or even hobby level video editing on a fucking dual core of all things? Video editing is one of those things that really make the type of processor the i7 is necessary, more cores+threads the better. I've done work on dual cores, it's shit. Terrible, very slow.
Furthermore, what benefits do mkv containers give, if any at all?
Pointing out how Holla Forums has gone to shit.
Yes. It's really that simple.
>>>/reddit/
This thread is full of explanations that you're refusing to acknowledge.
Christopher Ward
Matroska supports everything. That's it.
Zachary Carter
How is this related to venezuela or socialism? Do all the shitposters on Holla Forums come from Holla Forums and think that every thread is the same?
Ryan Carter
He may have forgot a "pic unrelated", but it made me smile, so that's okay. That's not the same as posting something like "holocoaster.png" or anything unfunny.
Logan Sullivan
You just couldn't let this thread die could you, you insufferable faggot?
The UI in Vegas is also shit (just look at it for fucks sake; it's just as unintuitive as Blenders UI, while being less customizable). All the NLEs worth a damn have unintuitive UIs, but at least with BVSE you can set it up however you like.
Ryder Cruz
Vegas was the first shit I used back in the day (2005). It seemed okay then. Last year I used it again and I don't remember any huge issues for the ~15 clips of game footage I made over a few days (heavy amount of editing involved, but mostly only clipping and adjusting play speed). When we used Adobe Premier in school I found it to be gay (2006 or 2007, so whatever version was available then, or older). I recently found something orders of magnitude more shit than both of those programs. It's called Wondershare Filmora. It's laggy as fuck to do anything (literal lag, as in latency. clicking the mouse somewhere typically takes takes anywhere from 50 to 500 milliseconds to respond) and the UI is horrible, it was probably made by web programmers.
Looks like they both Pixar and Dreamworks are using Linux to me
Brandon Barnes
Except those are not familiar/easy to use nor free. Try harder next time.
Robert Brown
So it's useless because there's no benefit over just using a container meant for X and Y codecs. Astounding.
Cry about it faggot. Vegas's UI is intuitive and useful and your shitty 3d modeling program LARPing as a video editor has a shit unintuitive vomit UI. Cry about it.
CS2 is free nigger, and better in every way than your 3d modeling program LARPing as a video editor.
Carson Barnes
Pick one. Only one.
Because as the eye-glaze inducing diagram you scribbled out proves, Vegas no more intuitive than any other NLE worth using. Hell, if anything it's worse than Blender.
Brody Hill
This is one of those times Holla Forums needs IDs.
Jackson Jackson
You'd have to be retarded not to see it's the same faggot, user.
Landon Morales
I don't think you have room to claim others are retarded.
Andrew Butler
And? My point about Vegas's unintuitive UI stands and that autistic little diagram actually helped make my case.
Ian Cook
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Julian Davis
And when did I say you wouldn't have to actually learn how to use BVSE? Unlike you, I'm not trying to pretend a decent NLE can ever be simple and intuitive.
Sony Vegas as that (poorly done) diagram shows is just as unintuitive as any other video editor that isn't basically a toy (Looking at you Pitivi).
Aaron Jackson
>"B-BUT IT'S BAD MY 3D MODELING PROGRAM LARPING AS A VIDEO EDITOR AND ITS NEED FOR YOUTUBE TUTORIALS IS BETTER REEEEEEEEE"
Samuel Wilson
Hehe. You're getting flustered, user. By all means keep using your proprietary, unintuitive NLE. I'll keep using the one that actually gets the job done on an OS that isn't Windows.
Aaron Wood
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Eli Lopez
See, this is how I know you haven't been here all that long. You don't have to be autistic to hate what Windows has become.
Joshua Baker
So now you're pulling points out of your ass that don't have any correlation nor relation to what's being discussed. Protip: you don't need nsadows10 or 8 to use Vegas.
Camden Hughes
Do the smug Chinese cartoons trigger, you user?
Ryan Lee
You will sooner or later... Vegas is Proprietary, remember? Unless you want to be stuck with an outdated version.
Elijah Jenkins
Becuase Winshit 7 is NSA free...
Aiden Brooks
Niggro, you don't have to update to a newer version. Also
Dominic Jenkins
Nigger actually thinks he disabled that shit!
Camden Hughes
Why would you be running a really old version of Linux when the new version is free?
Jace Hall
You kinda do need the newer version when new codecs come around though.
Kevin Walker
This thread is truly one of the saddest things I've seen recently.
Cameron Reyes
Have you seen the rest of Holla Forums recently? Holla Forums had one foot in the grave and Holla Forums is one of the toes.