Will it be enough?

Zen
Let's discuss it.
I think this is finally AMD making its coming back to the Processor's market.

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Bonnet. Abort hype naow.

Apparently, it's going to have relatively high clock speeds as well as high core counts AND an improved IPC. Essentially, it's where the Phenom series would have been had progression not been interrupted by 15h.

They won't leapfrog Intel by any means, but we're probably going to be looking at an equivalent to a Nehalem vs. whatever the six core Phenoms were, which I will be happy with, but tech "reviewers" will scoff at as a failure.

Really, I want so much to buy a notebook with an AMD processor, but the current FX, A10 and A8 are jokes.
If this can perform 80% of what Intel offers, I'm all in.

Exactly.

I just want to replace my 10" Atom garbage with something the same size but less painfully slow

Didn't we have this exact thread a few weeks ago with exactly the same OP?

Anyway, . Fuck "management engines" and "theft protections", they are just backdoors as a feature.

Why does Intel get a pass on their management engine but AMD does not? Shill much?

It doesn't. How new are you?
If anything, FX series AMD gets shilled because it doesn't have it.

omzg just buy intel
-twitch streamers sponsored by intel
youtu.be/bzL4UDckLHY?t=3315

Did I say Intel does? No? Then fuck off.

Because AMD has no drivers :^)

At about half the price, too.

Why can't AMD beat Intel these days? They've slowed down massively and have incompetent management and AMD is still going the "value" route. Pathetic.

They don't need to do anything on the PC side but wait. Intel is doing a pretty stellar job of killing itself from within, by hiring $300m of diversity instead of engineers.

AMD doesn't have to catch up 100% to Intel. They just have to be better than they currently are. If I was going to make an Intel build right now, I would get an older, used i5 because even an older one has better IPC than bulldozer and its derivatives. That's the market AMD needs to target with Zen. Not the guys buying Skylake, but the people (vast majority) who are fine using Haswell. Plus, AMD mainline CPUs don't have integrated graphics, so you get more bang for your buck.

Yes, the only good choice will be AMD. Intel and Nvidia are for the trash. Lots of people have been waiting to do new builds for many years, and now they will. Good times this winter.

480x + ZEN

I am ready I will show all those faggots who called me poor before.

Because Intel is based in Israel

I'm prepared for this. We're probably going to see 70 percent of a contemporary Intel part with reasonable price and efficiency, with Intel-sponsored reviewers accepting nothing less than double Intel performance and able to run off of a calculator's solar panel. Ever review will probably end with

Hey shill, tell your superiors that they at least need to generate a regular stream of “leaks” and “rumors” in media for you to start threads.

Even AMD astroturfing is cheap.

we're looking at what, 500 usd total for top of the line amd cpu and gpu? my wallet is fucking ready

Actually, I may think on going for Zen+.
It seems that they will still use Bulldozer stuff in Zen.

lolwut

Enjoy your management engine.

That's some wishful interpretation right there.

A more realistic one would be that Intel is so far beyond they can throw 300m to the trash and still beat their competitors.

They are also setting up their company for a China-like communist future in which most people won't believe companies have a right to exist for profit but rather only as political actors with the right intentions. And only the ones with the right PR will be allowed by the brainwashed Marxist hordes to exist.

Counter sage poorfag.

32-core ZEN server and quad RX Fury GPUs.

It's not for games. Who plays games anymore?

It's for the command and control of my drone fleet.

All my hope is on Zen and Polaris/Vega. I feel guilty just thinking about buying anything Intel and Nvidia these days.

What can't you do with a 8350?

this is the modern version of
BRAINWASH RADIO NEW SKULL REFORMING CIA GANGSTER FRANKENSTEIN CONTROLS

fuck off retard. we literally are being spied on 24/7 and it's common knowledge.

Rig 1. modern Zen/GPU for gaming

2. old computer with no management engines for secure computing.

I've waited so long.

Soon it begins.

8350 has garbage single core perfromance

Meaning proprietary software for games needing this much power.
Convert 90% of your electricity in heat. A lot of electricity. Besides, I'm sure you can imagine the disconfort of having two machines (space taken) and having to change between them just to do something different.

I'm not against your idea, but we need something free AND modern for rig n°2. RISC-V with free GPU, basically.

It's not exceptional, but if you trust proprietary benchmarks to tell you that, your fault. You didn't answer the question, by the way.

Targeting audience that can't imagine how to perform their own measurements with general purpose code with your ideological shilling? Yeah, that would probably work nice on Holla Forums, the home of lamers.

I don't get this. Are you being ironic? Nobody would fall for such a pathetic attempt.

Proprietary benchmarks don't benchmark hardware, since you don't know it it's really objective or not.

AROUND-CORNERS PROJECTION OF DEADLY MICROCODE ENCRYPTION

Well, I went ahead and ordered parts for a transition build so I can sell my current 2012 build. pcpartpicker.com/list/6qmqkT

Old build:

The new build is actually a straight upgrade. However, the Athlon, RAM, and mobo still just a placeholder for eventual Zen parts. In spite of that, I'm really liking the power efficiency of the athlon, so I'll have an easier time waiting for price drops and lower-budget chips with Zen.

I think I'll try and sell my old build for ~$400, and throw in an old monitor and keyboard if people won't buy it. A bit steep, but still doing someone's kid a favor compared to a prebuilt in this pricerange.

WEW LAD

Looks nice, the 200R has those fan slots over the GPU, which is a very useful feature. Are you going to put fans there?

Myself, I'm planning on building a mATX 6 core zen rig at the end of the year.

since I'm eventually going to make it a dual GPU build for PCI passthrough, I may do that. however, I'm not going to be putting anything that takes more power than a 480 in there (if even that), so it may be unnecessary. especially if I just use blower models.

what are you using to hold you over until zen?

a core 2 duo 2GB of RAM JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

Still saving up though, going to build my dream PC.

damn nigga, I feel your pain. I was using a Pentium 4 with 512GB of RAM and win2k until 2012. it actually wasn't that bad at all, but then the mobo died. it was one of these things, kek

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First AMD Zen chips may not be quad-core parts


fudzilla.com/news/40627-first-amd-zen-chips-may-not-be-quad-core-parts

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seriously, screw intel.

these are new chips, probably way way faster than an already fast chip from a few years ago.

It's all I really need of its type for my computer to do what I need it to do.

fuck off shill.

lol
MB

AMD virgin here. This was just the thing I needed to see from AMD to affirm my switch from an Intel/Nvidia based build.
I've been holding out since 2012, the only thing this 3570k is currently useful for is being a toaster...No need to run the heater in the winter when I have this thing.
I've been wanting to upgrade for the longest, but Intel and Nvidia's price-for-performance never felt worth it.

Since I've lost interest in most gaming years ago, the 480 looks ideal. It should be able to handle most of the indie and niche shit I still play and care about.

nigga a 480 is massive overkill if you're not going to be playing lots of modern games at 1440p or higher. a 470 or even a 460 will likely do fine for you.

Yes, I know it's overkill, but it's a large leap from my current build I made back in 2012. It would also hold me over for the next 4 or so years for about half the price I'd have to pay if I decided to go Intel/Nvidia.

I also said I lost most interest in gaming, not all interest. I like old niche and indie shit, but I'd like knowing I have something that could handle a modern game should one actually catch my attention.

fair nuff. there is still some good modern games like phantom pain and dark souls 3. You'd be able to run them in uHD with everything turned to max.

What overclock have you got?

Guys, for notebooks, how does the top video cards compare to their desktop ones?
Like, how would a 490M compare to a 490?
I've been trying to search about this, but no one seems to even consider comparing notebook and desktop cards.

This. I'm going to wait until 2nd gen now so that I'll get the full effect of the architecture change.

Posting on an i5 760 which still does 90% of what I want it to do, it just can't emulate PS2 games well enough

AMD Zen Chipset Ships Q3, Mass Production Q4

gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2489-amd-zen-chipset-nearing-design-completion

I think we will see Zen in October.

what does Q3 shipment mean? there will be limited supplies, but you'll be able to order one on newegg?

Around October you should be able to buy them, but stocks might be limited, the article suggests that once mass production starts (yields get even better) there would be no potential availability issue.

So if you get in early, you might be able to get a Zen chip early.

I'm planning on getting a 6 core one, just hoping for a price on par with a i5.

16 core with onboard video please.

I need the IGPU for PCI pass through.

You could just get a cheap 5450, if you have some spare PCI-E slots.

Yes it will be enough. 8 core 16 threads will make Intel look like a bitch in the headlines. Hipsters will write stories like, "well jewtel has better per core performance so only idiots buy AMD".

What's the price range of these new CPUs?

Equivalent Intel chip minus $100

Given that formula the next question would be "how powerful will the best Zen CPU be?". I doubt it will compete with the best i7 or even the best i5.

Equivalent POWER8 chip minus $2000

8/16 core CPU with IPC of a broadwell for 500 dollars would wipe the floor with Intel's Xeon line.

What I want to see is quad CPU mobos with 4.0 ghz 8 core CPUS

Just imagine a 36 core ITX build for a workstation.

If AMD was smart they would make building something like this easy.

pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Multiheaded-NVIDIA-Gaming-using-Ubuntu-14-04-KVM-585/

They would sell boat loads of 230 dollar 480s.

Especially if it means you could hook up a few VR HMD to a single rig.

Imagine AMD selling 3-4 GPUS per rig.


Imagine people buying such a Rig so they could setup a computer lab/Perpetual LAN party in a dorm.

Calling it now:

8 core/16 thread Zen : i7 price

8 core/8 thread Zen : i7 price -$30-50

6core/12 thread Zen: i5ish price

6core/6 thread Zen: cheaper as a i5 6400

Haswell/Ivy Bridge IPC.

Not him, but I have the same CPU running at 4.2GHz. Still does the job for most things, but it's about time to upgrade.

What about hardware backdoors? (Like IME, etc)

Well I really hope they get back into the game. Someone needs to shit on nVidia and intel, but I just bought myself a fucking i5 6600k and it would really make me said if amd releases some badass cpu that beats mine for a lower price.

Zen showing up in AIDA64

aida64.com/downloads/YTdiMzQyZGM=

chipset information for AMD K17 (Zen Summit Ridge) FCH
chipset information for AMD K17 (Zen Summit Ridge) IMC
chipset information for AMD K17.1 (Zen Raven Ridge) FCH
chipset information for AMD K17.1 (Zen Raven Ridge) IMC
chipset information for AMD Promontory ASM2016
SMBus support for AMD K17 (Zen Summit Ridge) FCH
SMBus support for AMD K17.1 (Zen Raven Ridge) FCH

At some point you're all going to have to stop being paranoid fuckwits and accept that nobody is actually paying money to run c&c infrastructure just so they can steal your loli wallpaper or .twmrc while the computer's in ACPI S-states.

You probably don't even know whether your X server's listening on a TCP port right now without checking.

3 months to go

LEAKED ZEN INFO

forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38363321&postcount=2219

Hi all, I've got some info about Zen ES stage. I thought you would like to see it after the many off-topic Polaris posts.

Zen ES is at the moment in revision A0 - it might not be a suprise.

L2/L3 variations: 2/8 MB, 4/16 MB, 8/32 MB, 12/64 MB, 16/64 MB
(512kb L2/core, 8MB/4 cores)

Core counts are: 4c/8t, 8c/16t, 16c/32t, 32c/64t. As it seems now there won't be a 6c/12t at the launch, there will be only complete core complexes. Later AMD might release a 6/12 version, will see.

AMD's working on 2 kind of packages: AM4 and SP3. Later there might be a SP4 package of course.

4 variants of ES Zen are available at the moment:
AM4 8 cores with 95W TDP
AM4 4 cores with 65W TDP
SP3 24 cores with 150W TDP
SP3 32 cores with 180W TDP

The most exciting part is core clock. The 8c/95W variant's base clock is 2.8GHz, all core boost is 3.05GHz and maximum boost is 3.2GHz.
The 4c/65W part's clock is the same. (I would expect 3.5GHz base clock for a retail 4c/95W variant.)
Idle clock is exciting as well. AM4 versions can lower the clock to 550 MHz in idle which is a very nice level from an AMD CPU. Idle wattage is 5W for 8c version and 2.5W for 4c version.
The SP3 versions have even lower idle clock: it's only 400MHz. Regarding the boost clocks the 32c/180W version has a 2.9GHz boost clock and the 24c/150W version has a 2.75GHz boost clock.

AFAIK Intel has no answer for the 32c/64t Zen variant, so it could be a great win for AMD on the server market.

What AMD is doing different in case of Zen is the purpose of the CPU. AMD doesn't build it for the future but for the present. Maybe it won't be strong in AVX and FMA but an average user won't realize it because the average user won't use the AVX and FMA capabilities. Average Joe will see that Zen is as fast as Haswell on Intel's side (if AMD won't screw it up) and it's enough for everything what Average Joe does on his PC.

On server side Haswell IPC and high core count with a reasonable price will convince the customers to give AMD a try. And I hope AMD can grab the chance after all the years of failures.

Keep in mind these are engineering samples, the retail versions should have higher clocks.

Surprised to see no 6 core initially.

Holy fuck this is a happening

These are basically going to be competitive in price with used i7s on ebay, right?

I would really like this information to be true, but I just have this feeling AMD is going to fuck it up because of how long ago it was since they were competitive in the desktop market.

The 4c/8t one at 3.5/4.0ghz would be as good as a 4790K, but be cheaper.

The 8c/16t one at 3.0/3.2Ghz (this is what the final clocks will be at, the above post were the engineering samples.) will be competive with a 5960X ($1000 CPU) and probably be less than half the price.

What do you people need these super powerful processors for? I still have an Athlon 2 x4 running at 2.8ghz and haven't seen much need to upgrade. Not even shitposting, like what are you people using these things for?

Gaming, VR, 50 Porn tabs ect, future-proofing (a bit).

Multi core CPU's are pretty good if your workload can benefit from multitasking and scales well.

My Phenom II has been good enough for most things but I can still make Krita input lag to hell on it, and stuff like PCSX2/Dolphin are just out of reach.

Building a CPU that lasts for 7 years is pretty amazing these days when the alternative is The Jewish Pendulum, though.

I know it doesn't. Because I don't have it. I just happen to use OS X right now.
Checkmate, bro.

dammit even as a shitpost the mere thought of doing so horrifies me

if Zen becomes another 480 or another joke, may as well sell all your stock in the company before it files for bankruptcy.

VMs, compile and rendering times, and vidya. I'm currently on an Athlon 845, was on a Phenom IIx4, so I mostly agree with you. It's insane how many people have modern i5s and i7s they don't need. I'm gonna get one of the Zen chips because I actually have things I want to do with it.


the 480 is good though, shitposter

Thank you Mr. Silverstein, 50 shekels have been deposited to your account.

You are jew.

this is hilarious! AMD fanboys are shooting themselves in the foot because they're so delusional they can't see how a Pajeet is using AMD as a designated shitting company to make a quick buck by cutting corners on assembly and turning AMD into an acquisition target

If you were true fans of AMD you'd be protesting the way people are abusing this company right now

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but only if you remember to post "THANK YOU JEWISH PENDULUM OF $300M DIVERSITY FUNDING" in this thread

Zen would have been a hit if it was released this summer since it allows them to catch those people upgrading their systems (lots of free time in the summer ). Most people I know are upgrading to skylake systems since waiting 6 months/ maybe next year isnt worth it for 8 slow cores. Also where are the am4 boards that were supposed to be released alongside that 28 nm cpu in march ?


I got a i5 6600k not too long ago , and man what a upgrade over the fx 8320. AMD really is dead to me . Might take alook when Zen+ is released in 10 years.

If you honestly think that you are retarded.


They are launching the AM4 platform in October, what is the point of releasing the low end CPU's when the launch can have both?


Still better than jewtel faggot, enjoy your IME made in israel.


Still believing that conspiracy theory huh?

The 8c/16t part will be on par with a i7-5960X, cant you read retard?

Make your computer judenfrei with this one weird trick!

thats a pretty slow computer, a i5-6600k already beats that in single core speed and quadcore, it only shines in heavily multithreaded environments

be proud of comparing the zen to a 2 year old cpu and paying a premium for 8 slow cores

took them 5 years or so to come up with zen, I expect AMD to fail and falter as they try to produce another turd of a processor, always behind Intel, if the jewtel meme is the only thing you can use (which zen is getting too) thats pretty sad you AMDrone

enjoy your crappy single core speed & hot cpus

meanwhile I will enjoy my intel+nvidia build

ITT: Holla Forumstards

My niggas
I am really kind of shocked about just how well this CPU has held up
I'm definitely going to retire it just in case and use something modern as my daily driver, just keeping the P4 rig around for anything secure I need. It is pre- built-to-fail hardware, which is probably why it's still going as strong as it is, but I'm sure it'll wear out eventually.. it's only got so many CPU cycles in it; I should probably spend them on things that I can't spend modern CPU cycles on

it's not really worth it to be using a P4 user. it's power-hungry and slow as fuck. at least get a used phenom II or something.

I'm like *that* close to having the money for a full FX-8350+990FX build (slightly considering holding off for Zen), so I don't want to extend the time for that a bunch by buying a machine "to hold me over until then" when the P4 functions

If you've waited this long might as well go all the way

seriously just wait for zen.

Because brand new architectures take that long to design, you know fucking nothing about CPU design.

Back to Holla Forums faggot, Zen has haswell IPC, only 5% slower than skylake.

Did you read you dumb nigger? The 4 core zen will beat your piece of shit 6600K and be 2/3rds the price.


Fuck off.

Are you completely retarded? The 5960X clocked at equivalent to the 6600K has the same single-core performance, if you honestly think the 5960X is a slow CPU you should kill yourself for being such a fucking retard, just before Broadwell-X launched it was the best CPU you could buy.


On par with skylake give or take 5% is slow huh retard?

Shill goytel and shitvida somewhere else retard.

enjoy your tsx never ever

No October Zen, "limited quantity towards the end of Q4 depending on partner availability"

In the Q2 earnings call at about 25 minutes in an analyst asks for specific consumer desktop Zen roll out launch dates. Lisa answers that we should expect very limited OEM and channel partner rollout towards the end of Q4 for Zen with notebook, APU and server ramping in first half of 2017.

AMD quarterly earnings report: $1027M revenue, $0.08 loss per share.

GAAP Financial Results
Q2-16 Q1-16 Q2-15
Revenue $1,027M $832M $942M
Operating loss $(8)M $(68)M $(137)M
Net income (loss) / earnings (loss) per share $69M/$0.08 $(109)M/$(0.14) $(181)M/$(0.23)

Non-GAAP Financial Results
Q2-16 Q1-16 Q2-15
Revenue $1,027M $832M $942M
Operating income (loss) $3M $(55)M $(87)M
Net loss / loss per share $(40)M/$(0.05) $(96)M/$(0.12) $(131)M/$(0.17)

Update: Some interesting comments from the conference call:

In addition to XBox One S and Project Scorpio, there is a third yet unannounced design win for console SoC.
Enterprise dual socket boards are now running Zen processors in both AMD labs and customer labs.
Zen for servers will ship Q1 2017, Zen for desktop will ship in limited volumes in Q4 2016.
SoC will follow the usual seasonal pattern, with a peak in Q3 when Sony, Microsoft prepare for holiday seasons. Consequently, there will be a decline in SoC in Q4.
Radeon production is ramping up steeply to meet demand for RX 480 as well as the upcoming 470 and 460.
There is a new set of opportunities in the pipeline akin to the China deal, including partners in HPC.
AMD reiterates that Polaris was always planned for mainstream and that "Vega is the next generation high end architecture".
Fastest growing gpu, cpu, semicustom: Q3 guidance both semi custom and graphics will be the drivers.
Vega WILL USE HBM!!!!!!!

Woah, really? The only other possible candidate is the NX, so NX using an AMD APU confirmed?

kill yourself, braindead baiter. the dangers of the management engines are well-known to everyone who's not a complete retard

Bulldozer was supposed to be good, too.
I'll wait until there's benchmarks out before I consider it.

Sorry but it looks like they fucked up.

Now both Zen and Kaby Lake will require new boards thanks to the socket changes and the latter will most likely be available sooner, so anyone willing to upgrade soon will have to decide between doing so this year or maybe some time next year.

Pretty sure Kaby Lake is on the same socket as Skylake.
Not that it will matter since Kaby Lake is shaping up to be focused on TDP efficiency and will probably be less powerful than Skylake.

hothardware.com/news/intel-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-lga-2066-processors-2h-2017

I didn't see the "Q3 2017" before though so I was wrong about that.

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Of course Zen will require a new board, DDR4 ect.

The cool thing about AM4 is no chipset on the motherboard, as it is integrated on the CPU, meaning much cheaper motherboards.

Pretty much, AMD is the only company experienced in making semi-custom SoC's. Nvidia can't because no X86-64 license and Intel licenses their iGPU tech from Nvidia currently, but that license is nearly up and they want to sign with AMD to use their GPU tech.

wat does this mean?

AMD has had this (HyperTransport and on-die RAM controller) since the first Athlon 64s.

What it means is you can buy one motherboard and keep using it for 3-4 years with any new AMD CPU that comes out without any downsides.

One thing I'd point out, is that I feel people are looking at Zen a bit incorrectly, for gaming anyway. Most i5s of second gen or later are still incredibly good gaming CPUs. If mid-sized Zen CPU's care at least competitive, then AMD being so price aggressive will take care of the rest, making Zen the go to choice for most gaming builds.

I could easily see a 4, or even 8 core Zen CPU destroying the 150 dollar market. If AMD goes full crazy and starts offering a 4 core option at 100 dollars, that will be a serious shock to the market and cause massive ripple effects.

I bet that's exactly what'll happen. They know how to make cost-effective 8-cores already, it's how they own the console market.

I'm not sure they will ever make such a piece of hardware again. They've been on the "more cores" ride for so long, and I've already read of 16 core Zen CPUs so could the lower end models really have only 4?

archive.is/jaHk8

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God dammit.

Considering they are engineering samples they probably wont be the final clocks.

I'd speculate a 4core 8thread to run at 3.5Ghz for a 65W TDP, 4.0/4.2 for a 95W TDP.

8 core 16 thread @ 3.0/3.2 95W TDP, maybe a higher binned version at 3.2/3.6 for a 125W TDP.

This is exactly what im banking on: If Zen is as optimized as the rumors say, then i could simply get the 4 cores model and get current i5 performance at a much lower price, or maybe 8 cores if it remains within what i can afford and not worry about performance with IOMMU. Right now, the first alternative looks better; pair it up with a RX470 4GB or similar card and im golden until 4K/HDR/Freesync/10 or 12bit monitors come out, and im willing that's gonna take a few years to even reach a decent price point.

I'd say power efficiency is finally really here, but i have to wonder how they get that number. Will Zen have a lot of sleep states or something like Intel currently has? Guess there's not enough info to go on.

So both Intel and AMD have changed the public release of their new CPUs to 2017 now. Intel because "there are too many Skylake processors still in stock". Will be see reduced prices because of that? lol nope

I have to wonder with these figures (5W, 550MHz) how much of this chip is based on Geode ideas. It doesn't sound like a straight evolution of the Bulldozer line.

Fuck I wanted to build a new micro-atx this year. Getting tired of this full tower.

Will a 32 core zen boost my FPS in anime?

The release of Zen will show that Intel has been abusing its monopoly position. I hope they release the 8 core Zen for the same price as a 4 core i5. 8 core should have been mainstream 2-3 years ago. Remember, buying Intel means you are subsidizing their on chip graphics development.

I haven't even bothered over clocking mine and I've had it for 4 years now. I don't ever see it over heating though.

The "mainstream" doesn't really need 8 or 16 cores just to watch Top 10 videos on YT and game developers are both lazy and incompetent so they wouldn't know what to do with that many cores.

I hate this logic.

Software improvements won't happen without hardware improvements. Normies need more cores.

You don't feel my pain. I am using a Pentium D @ 2.66Ghz with 4GiB RAM and a Radeon HD 5670 right now. I'm doing CPU rendering on that shit.
Pic related

Why not buy something like this? An older Xeon workstation. It would be a huge improvement for rendering. Assuming you can't afford it but this is not that expensive

ebay.com/itm/Dell-T3500-2-66GHz-Hex-Core-X5650-6GB-No-HD-No-OS-/381661468913?hash=item58dccbd8f1:g:TDMAAOSwmtJXVXr3

It would probably make those frame-generation algorithms more feasible

what clock speed is your i5-760?

Source?

shit nigga you got TWO CORES, and FOUR GIGS OF RAM, why are you complaining? nobody needs more than 2GB of RAM and one core.

Also what the other user said, there's really no reason to be punishing yourself with a computer that old. you can scrape up enough for an old Xeon or i7 rig.

Yes, because I love my programs to take 5 days to compile

It will remain objectively inferior to Intel in every single solitary way as AMD has always been.

Buy a new computer retard, christ.

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Fuck off AMDfag, your shitty company is inferior and makes shitty products, and no amount of meming will change that.

You know what numbers I didn't pull out of my ass? These
But I'm sure Intels $300 mil to "Diversity" makes them a better company :^)

Cool story, I can't wait to see how much an i5 beats it in performance.

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I know. Hilarious isn't it? :^)

>the i7 equivalent might be as good as a 2 GENERATION OLD intel chip

>he's pointing at 6 GENERATION OLD chips from 8 years ago

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Posting more reaction images doesn't make you correct, retard
Intelfags in full damage control
Have fun with your overpriced jew tech

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it's a joke fag

Please post benchmarks showing a AMD chip losing at price to performance ratio with Intel. Or does your shilling manual not cover that part?

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Are you done talking to yourself? Can we have the thread back now?
Your next line will be: but how can you PROOOOOVE it's just m-- it's one person making all these posts?
You will even consider taking a screenshot of this post

Do you know what an engineering sample is you retarded cunt?

Back to Holla Forums.

The 4790K is the exact same perf as the 6700K, try again retard.


1 generation old retard, umad because jewtel will have to cut the price of the overpriced 6700k to $240?

Butthurt i7fag detected.

Are you a special kind of retarded?

You kinda answered your own question there.

I know, I just just built a rig with a Xeon x5677 and before that I was (well not quite) in his boat with a first gen C2D system. I got a good deal on an X58 motherboard that can overclock and now I'm comparing the new system with some of the best out there and finding it's not that fucking different (even though the X5677 is like a fucking decade old...)

Not to get into a flame war, but I'm from Holla Forums and I am one of the few posters actually making constructive posts, eg, I posted the Zen engneering info. No idea how someone who can hate jews would love intel but whatever.

Anyway, what people don't understand is having a 4c 8t CPU at 4790k performance for much cheaper will really light a fire under Intel's ass,(same with an 8 core at 5960X perf but cheaper, broadwell to haswell is less than 2% IPC) forcing them to actually make "leaps with their CPU's, eg 4790K has same performance as the 6700K and the 7700k will probably be the same.

The CPU market has been stagnant for too long and Zen can really re-vitalize it.

Keep in mind these are engineering samples, the retail versions should have higher clocks.

JUST

speaking as someone looking forward to Zen, you're ignoring the physical limits of transistors here. One reason Zen is so interesting is that in another couple CPU generations, there will basically be no more point in shrinking transistors. So when AMD catches up to Intel (and they will with Zen+ in all likelihood), they're caught up for good until the technological arms race switches to completely new technologies (layering cache on top of cores, HBM for CPUs, graphene tubes, who knows). The CPU market hasn't just been stagnant because of the Intel monopoly, but also because we're hitting the end of transistor shrinks.

Picked up one of these at unclaimed baggage the other day for $25.
>I turn it on and Windows 95 text console greets me
>C:\ 1 file, cmd.com

It was "refurbished", though, so it had a fresh Win7 Pro key on the side which worked and free Win10 upgrade went through (don't judge me I need a Windows computer for college and don't want to taint my comfy rig)

It's mainly been stagnant because programmers are failing to make use of parallelism. There are fundamental limits in the universe to single threaded performance we'll eventually hit, this can't go on forever.

I don't want to live on this computer-illiterate planet any more.

How about you go fuck yourself?

It literally said "Windows 95".
And it wasn't a command prompt terminal window, it was actually a literal fucking text console in the BIOS font like the one you see "loading kernel/initrd" in before the graphics firmware/kms is loaded. There was no GUI, no window manager, no init system, the entire filesystem consisted of the single executable for the command prompt itself with no utilities available at all.
What would you have me call that??

I would post a picture but I already formatted the hard drive.

Hmm. Very weird it JUST has that.

I'm on a Lenovo ThinkCentre as well, pretty good but the 2GB of RAM is a bottleneck sometimes, and where I live it is very hard trying to source 2GB DIMMS for an upgrade to 4GB.

Other than that pretty good.

Getting a Core 2 Quad soon. I'm poorfag.
tf2 runs at 60fps with minecraft quality lel

I was in your your boat (basically repeating myself here). I had a C2D E4700 with 4GB ram, it was a shit dell desktop, and I did the BSEL mod to like 3.2ghz but it was still shit (and basically unstable, although usable for over a year that way). Then back to 2.4ghz or whatever when it became too unstable.

I just bought a EVGA x58 motherboard for $90 delivered and an X5677 Xeon for around $55 dollars. Then a triple channel 12GB memory kit (I hear triple channel is not really necessary for performance though so you can go cheaper, that was like $60 or something).

Overclocked it to 4ghz on a $30 air cooler.

It compares to a lot of new systems in benchmarks. I can now buy an X5650 if I want six cores and probably hit the same speeds per core. Again, the X5650 is cheap as fuck. Market is flooded with these old Xeons that are basically I7's. They require certain motherboards to be able to overclock. Even without overclocking they are a huge improvement over what you have. The newest intel processors only have advantage on stock clocks (this isn't that much of a change when considering X5677), addition of AVX instructions (does not matter), and the smaller transistors of newer generations (power consumption and heat, way more of an issue for datacenters than desktop users, which is why they are so cheap now).

Even if you bought some Dell workstation with an X5677 that cannot overclock, you would be basically able to play every game and have a modern PC if you throw some half-decent video card in there. You can do this for really cheap if you shop.

I got lucky on the EVGA motherboard that can overclock these, X58 motherboards with overclocking sell for huge markups because they can use this glut of old xeons to their full potential. The guy that was selling my board on ebay included an incorrect image for the first image (the one showing in the listing), so nobody else bid on it. But shop around. I'm very happy. If I wasn't able to overclock I would be pretty happy with the X5677 at stock speeds, still fast enough and a tremendous improvement over C2D (huge cache, just plain faster per clock than C2D)

When I think about costs altogether you might be able to build an AMD 8320 system on the cheap and get comparable performance, could be a better choice (maybe), doing overclocking again. Especially if you can't find an X58 motherboard that can overclock those Xeons, but I have no regrets

You shouldn't even need a Core2Quad to play TF2 maxed out. Buy a video card if that is your concern.

TF2 is a shite-tier optimized game. The new hardware won't help.

I wouldn't even know because hats don't appeal to me, and better TF can be had with any of the older to original versions.

Isn't that shit source engine? I could run HL2 on my computer from like three generations ago and fuck I wait a long time between generations

will vidya be faster with more cores

On Nvidia, with its multi-threaded DX11 driver: yes.
On AMD, with its improperly-threaded DX11 driver: no.
On Vulkan and DX12, yes for both companies - significantly more so for AMD.

You know that games use both the CPU and the GPU, right? To give a real answer to user, mostly yes, since most major engines (UE4, Crytek and idtech) seems to be pretty well made and aren't Bethesda dogshit.

i7-930 fag here, I've approved your gamecube emulation license.

Are you ready for Trustzone?

That's called "DOS" you stupid fucking underage nigger

Looks like I'll have to wait for RISC-V.
M-maybe we can ask AMD how it is disabled on the FX serie CPUs? You know, software or hardware.

How are there people this retarded? It's obviously DOS. Have you ever actually used Windows 95? Windows 95 had a GUI. Someone probably just put echo 'Windows 95' or some crap in autoexec.bat or something.
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I'm an underage and even I can tell the difference between Windows 95 and DOS, this is beyond underage levels of retardation.

I'm betting that they just gutted Win95. I can't picture the people at unclaimed baggage dealing with DOS, but maybe they have a 95 image they flash to machines before selling them

There was one file on the hard disk. One file.

As long as it can't be accessed via network it's fine

CPU has access to everything, you dumb. paied with a proprietary microcode, I say no.

The CPU can also access memory so if your system is already compromised the SME won't change anything

Will there ever be a high-end cpu without botnet?

Doesn't look like it, sadly.

FX 9590 is the best x86 without botnet. Raptor Engineering is working on an IBM Power8 workstation mobo.

That only for the APU`s?

It doesn't specify. I'd be stoked if it was only for the APUs. Otherwise, I'm gonna buy an 8xxx/9xxx and an ASUS Sabretooth 990 FX R2.0. I have a first gen i7 but I'm gonna sell it soon. I'll be fine with my old Core 2 Duo until this all shakes out.

Yes. FX series and (I think?) the Semprons are clean.

I was thinking more along the lines of ZEN x86 CPU`s.

Yes, it would be pretty good if only ZEN APU`s were effected so that I can down size my gaming computer and have a reason change about 90% of it in order to do so.

I believe that all Zen CLUe are affected

looks like you're right, PSP for everyone


techrival.com/2016/05/23/amds-zen-eight-core-cpu-delivers-double-the-performance-of-the-fx-8350-a-real-challenger-to-intels-i7-5960x-extreme-edition/

I did some research and so far it looks like X58/i7-9xx don't have intel management engine or AMT. The socket 1156 were the first to use the Platform Controller Hub which incorporates these antifeatures. This might be different for the server chipset '5520'. I hope this is true as I'd love to upgrade to a 6 core xeon.

This is the one time AMD not binning CPUs by artificial feature castration (like Intel does) is working against them.

I just built an X58 Xeon system and can confirm it does not have IME or AMT

Nice! Any overclocking? How's the performance?

x5677 (planning on getting an x5650 as well, considering these things are dirt cheap, kind of takes the edge off of worries about overclocking too)

So far I only pushed it to just above 4ghz stable. Which has proven to be fast enough for anything I can throw at it.

I only just placed it in a case and installed the water cooler (was using a really cheap air cooler for the past month). Planning on reinstalling linux and moving windows to another drive, and other bullshit like that before I really get into overclocking.

I've been very happy with it so far. No direct benchmark comparisons for you yet, but if you check sites like overclock.net for X58 related threads you'll find them still extremely active and filled with people that own much newer generations of chips discussing how there still isn't really much difference in performance. Biggest downside for X58 is lack of USB3 without adding a card

Also overclocking capable boards are usually selling for extreme markups, kind of negating the low price of the CPUs. I got extremely lucky on the EVGA X58 SLI Micro that I got brand new on Ebay for $90 delivered, the seller accidentally included an incorrect image for the default listing image. Nobody else bid

IBM Power

Amazing Linux support and tons of power.

That's awesome you got a good deal on a brand new board. Are you running 8GB sticks? Bad news about the 5520 chip, I'm seeing management engine listed:

http:[email protected]/* */duct/specifications

This would rule out the evga SR-2 dual socket mobo as an option.

I have a 12gb triple channel kit (gskill). It's the one still available on newegg

I don't know much about the 5520 chip, talking southbridge here? That's ich10r on mine right, or am I mixing things up?

Actually 5520 is a northbridge for dual socket LGA1366 servers. Desktop 1366 uses X58.

Let me know if you hear anything interesting about ASUS P6X58D-E mobo. I'll keep you posted with my botnet research.

It would be interesting to do more research but my motherboard didn't support dual-qpi processors without a mod in pre-version 2.0. I have 121-BL-E756-TR v2.0 and I was still unsure if it would support the xeons without a mod, turned out it did. It is not dual socket though, it just talks with the pins on the cpu in such a way as to disable second QPI. I was actually planning on trying to disable second QPI by insulating a pad on the bottom of the CPU rather than doing the motherboard mod (this would be an experiment) but it was unnecessary as it all worked fine out of the box.

I'd have to even read up more on management engine to be able to talk more.

And that was probably confusing but tldr:

This mobo doesn't support two cpus and didn't support Xeons at all unless either modded, or at some point V2.0 (not sure if all 2.0) already had that mod built in

because consumers aren't even buying desktop/laptop processors anymore

No, only Gentoo and Debian support ppc64el, basically. Also, good luck finding applications with Altivec optimizations.
You can see in some benchmark those POWER8 boards being destroyed by a simple i5 at x264 or almost anything.
Example:
openbenchmarking.org/result/1602078-GA-POWER8TAL19
openbenchmarking.org/result/1608068-HA-LINUXABUS16
(104fps for the power8 and 185 for an AMD 8320)

oh really thats weird because nvidia is making shitloads of money selling video cards to people who buy expensive desktop processors. selling 5 high margin cpus can be more profitable than selling 100 commoditized SOCs.

It's not that bad, considering it was a task with limited parallelization and one CPU had several times as many cores as the other, it's a decent result. Without splitting the video into several segments and encoding all of them at once(or in the most efficient manner), the information is incomplete.

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Quick starpage search suggests so, especially if you don't have the right settings (and it's not just about -threads option). Without seeing the exact settings and/or cpu usage, we can really compare only single threaded performance with any reliability.

Sure it's not GPGPU tier of parallelization, but you can still compare, m8. Look at OpenSSL too. Like I said, Altivec optimizations aren't widespread and most user applications benefits greatly from SIMD.

Especially since Altivec is among the strongest of, perhaps THE strongest, SIMD unit currently in production. Which took up way too much semitransistor budget, lowering yields/clocks and increasing prices back when putting SIMD on-die for general-purpose hardware was pointless.

MORE ZEN INFO LEAKED

So the OPN is "1D2801A2M88E4_32/28_N". Using the already known schema, "D" stands for desktop, "28" for the base clock frequency (2.8GHz), the first "8" of "88" for the number of cores. And more clearly, "32/28" stand for turbo boost frequency (3.2GHz), and the base clock again (2.8GHz). This matches the information given for the 8C DT ES in an AnandTech forum posting recently:

"The most exciting part is core clock. The 8c/95W variant's base clock is 2.8GHz, all core boost is 3.05GHz and maximum boost is 3.2GHz."

The PCI information found in the CPU-Z database looks as follows:

Bus-Numb-Fun IRQ Vendor-Dev-Sub_OEM-Rev Class (9:255) Vendor and Device Description Showing 39 of 39
[0 - 00 - 0] 1022-1450-14501022-00 Host Bridge AMD
[0 - 01 - 0] 1022-1452-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD
[0 - 01 - 2] 1022-1453-00000000-00 PCI Bridge (0-1) x4 (x4) AMD
[0 - 02 - 0] 1022-1452-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD
[0 - 03 - 0] 1022-1452-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD
[0 - 04 - 0] 1022-1452-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD
[0 - 07 - 0] 1022-1452-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD
[0 - 07 - 1] 1022-1454-00000000-00 PCI Bridge (0- x16 (x16) AMD
[0 - 08 - 0] 1022-1452-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD
[0 - 08 - 1] 1022-1454-00000000-00 PCI Bridge (0-9) x16 (x16) AMD
[0 - 20 - 0] 1022-790B-790B1022-59 SMBus Controller AMD
[0 - 20 - 3] 1022-790E-790E1022-51 ISA Bridge AMD
[0 - 20 - 6] 1022-7906-79061022-51 SD Host DMA Controller AMD
[0 - 24 - 0] 1022-1460-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor Link Control
[0 - 24 - 1] 1022-1461-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor Address Map Configuration
[0 - 24 - 2] 1022-1462-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor DRAM Controll
[0 - 24 - 3] 1022-1463-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor Miscellaneous Control
[0 - 24 - 4] 1022-1464-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor Link Control
[0 - 24 - 5] 1022-1465-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor Function 5 Configuration
[0 - 24 - 6] 1022-1466-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor Function 6 Configuration
[0 - 24 - 7] 1022-1467-00000000-00 Host Bridge AMD Summit Ridge (K17) Processor Function 7 Configuration
[1 - 00 - 0] 1022-43B9-11421B21-02 XHCI Controller x4 (x4) AMD Promotory USB 3.1 XHCI Host Controller
[1 - 00 - 1] 1022-43B5-10621B21-02 SATA (AHCI 1.0) x4 (x4) AMD
[1 - 00 - 2] 1022-43B0-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (1-2) x4 (x4) AMD
[2 - 00 - 0] 1022-43B4-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-3) x1 (x1) AMD
[2 - 01 - 0] 1022-43B4-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-4) x1 (x1) AMD
[2 - 02 - 0] 1022-43B4-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-5) x1 (x1) AMD
[2 - 03 - 0] 1022-43B4-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-6) x1 (x1) AMD
[2 - 04 - 0] 1022-43B4-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-7) x0 (x4) AMD
[3 - 00 - 0] 14E4-1687-168714E4-10 Ethernet Controller x1 (x1)Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5762 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe
[3 - 00 - 1] 14E4-1640-164014E4-10 SD Host DMA Controller x1 (x1)Broadcom
[5 - 00 - 0] 1002-68F9-010E1002-00 VGA Controller x1 (x16) AMD Cedar Pro [Radeon HD 5450/Radeon HD 6350] [GPU-0]
[5 - 00 - 1] 1002-AA68-AA681002-00 High Def Audio x1 (x16) AMD Cedar/Park HDMI Audio
[8 - 00 - 0] 1022-145A-145A1022-00 Other (0x130000) x16 (x16) AMD
[8 - 00 - 2] 1022-1456-14561022-00 Other Encryption x16 (x16) AMD
[8 - 00 - 3] 1022-145C-145C1022-00 XHCI Controller x16 (x16) AMD
[9 - 00 - 0] 1022-1455-14551022-00 Other (0x130000) x16 (x16) AMD
[9 - 00 - 2] 1022-7901-79011022-51 SATA (AHCI 1.0) x16 (x16) AMD
[9 - 00 - 3] 1022-1457-14571022-00 High Def Audio x16 (x16) AMD


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Look at RISC-V SIMD. Genius stuff is that the register size isn't instruction hardcoded.

What defintion of "strongest" doesn't get BTFO by Intel's weakest iGPU?

Are you retarded?

Are you living in a cave? iGPUs and HSA aren't where they industry's headed, they're where it went.

Even with iGPUS and even with HSA, moving data between two registers is still a lot faster. Also, GPGPU only benefits massively parallelizable algoritmhs.