Holla Forums BOOTCAMP: POLITICAL DEBATE TRAINING
Here we will hone our skills to a shine, we will arm ourselves with information that will explode leftist fart-sniffer's brains out, and when we are through we will all be unstoppable kike stomping machines. Our exercises will include playing devils advocate, provide false information that we will need to counter, and learn to rid your fear or showing your power level.
Let's get started.
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As do the jewish women.
This is not a bad idea OP
I actually dont know a counter arguement to this
Heres one
Socialism works! you get free collage, free healthcare, free housing, free food, whats not the love!?
remember dont show your power level
arguing with you shitlords is all the training I need
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You should never do this
blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/
Unfortunately, sometimes it is unavoidable.
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When the government comes for your crops and leaves you with little to nothing, babies and children start to look more and more appetizing.
now tell me why not without showing your power level
Hitler snorted cocaine, injected bull semen, had one ball and a very tiny penis. The SS were planning to overthrow the Fuhrer because he was getting old. Hitler was addicted to meth, Hitler was a zionist, Hitler was a rothschild, DNA tests prove it!
This one is common on kikebook
Beat you to it.
technically, there is no such thing as arguing with a leftist, since they don't use logic but just appeal to emotion. so, you just mock them.
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I think it is more important you never argue with an idiot, some leftists are smart yet sophists
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The way I look at it, I'm not arguing with them for their sake. I'm arguing for the sake of the observers present. Maybe some of those observers DO use logic.
Donald Trump is not controlled opposition.
If your debating in real life you cant link articles but, lets carry on
No thats was different! that wasnt real socialism!
Also, and arguement i like to use when bernie people say democratic socialism is different then socialism, but i like to point out thats what they said for national socialism, but billions died "Its the same piece of shit with different sprinkles put on top" They are always against hitler and facism but i like to use the term of socialism against them, and compare it to hitler (although he did nothing wrong but its the 21st century, we have to use what we can)
A president who doubles the national debt in 8 years can never be described as a 'good' president
Maybe that's why shit got done back them.
I think this bootcamp is a good idea,we all need to be ready to BTFO of libshits at all times.
so let's vote for hillary instead
lel true, best come back i have til now is this one
Obama had to deal with Bush's mess. the fact hat the debt only doubled is a miracle/
Yea, you know how in old footage you always see americans chewing gum?
Protip: A lot of the time that isn't gum, it's the cotton insert from a METHAMPHETAMINE INHALER. When it IS gum, it's to keep from grinding their teeth.
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Because they don't assimilate, also they are on welfare instead of contributing to the community like locals.
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Do you support me being shot?
Yea this is true but you have to have a solid argument when debating, you cant pull up stats
only time will show, but i will bet 6M that he is not
Wow that doesnt even happen in socialism oh my goddddddddddddddd!!! All you get is free collage!!
Something i would say in this situation is like,
"What happens when you dont pay your forced socialist tax"? And whatever they say, i say men with guns take you away
Socialism requires high taxes and encourages unemployment, see Sweden.
But SJWs always lie. There's no reason.
Not really. The people who are on your side will be on your side at the end, those who are against you will be on the other side at the end. The only thing you can do it mock them. I wouldn't even waste my time engaging. Just find those "observers" later, when they're alone, and redpill them then. Doing it publicly, especially in an election year, is not going to help you at all.
Some of them will assimilate with time, but we can't fully expect for them to drop their traditions the second they step in our country. Have some respect. Also yes at the beginning they will be on welfare but as soon as they learn the language they are going to work, they are hard workers afterall given they're from such poor countries, and their children will contribute more than you do right now because they have 10 children on average, so really i should be asking you why you don't do more.
He is too polarising to be controlled opposition and hes too likely to win. The idea of controlled opposition is to reduce the pressure due to certain sentiment but not actually achieve anything. He will beat clinton which means he has to do something when he does. If he doesnt the pressure he would have released if he were controlled opposition would be higher than ever.
I know, that's a given. I quite like the Molyneux argument because it turns into moral argument normies will run away from like hell.
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Multiculturalism is unworkable in principle. The strength of all empires have been being constituted of one culture.
If the refugees are so hard working, many of them are military aged males, why didn't they stay and work against ISIS?
Then eating plants is immoral.
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An argument i like is
"Socialism works look at sweden"
and me
"What the fuck? Do you know what halifax is? free trade and private business is the stepping stones to capitalism"
it works on idiots
Plants live just like animals and people, you only complain about killing animals because you live in a society when getting meat is extremely easy and you dont have to work for anything
Don't reveal your power level is a rule of this boot camp, faggot.
fuck i ment IKEA
That's not going to work in the "real world," you retarded faggot.
If you're going to improve yourself, you should talk about how to argue with Cuckservatives or liberals (eg. libertarian types), not Leftists.
Multiculturalism worked before as empires literally span across multiple countries by definition, therefore creating a conglomerate of different people and culture working together.
They didn't stay to fight ISIS because that's war, and for however patriotic one may be it's asking someone to risk their life to fight terrorism on a day to day basis, with little to no help or resources. It doesn't matter if they're able bodied or young and fit, nobody should be forced into war.
Change the argument from feelings to hard stats showing our women how fucking primitive the niggers are.
blogher.com
americanbar.org
You could continue with research such as the educational success rate of biracial kids or the average GDP of niggers (how low can you go) but I think you get the picture.
Don't argue on the basis of feelings or emotions, that's liberal nonsense. Expose those wayward women that whites are OBJECTIVELY the better race to date and marry.
Then bring up those arguments then, not all of us here spend all of our time on Holla Forums so not all of us have our facts 100% straight, this thread will help reinforce our position, I don't see why you'd oppose to that.
No, they had one ruling class that imprinted its culture and traditions on the subject peoples.
Why do French people speak a version of Latin, not a Celtic language?
Israel is evil
ONLY
for what it does in Palestine.
Look, Trump is not our WN savior, but to call him "controlled opposition" is silly. Controlled by whom?
This whole interwebs meme about everyone being a shill or controlled opposition needs to end. Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time. Not everyone can be 100% truthful all the time (for a number of reasons, including funding). Everyone has to engage in a bit of sensationalism in order to "sell" themselves, or they'll be nudged out of the market. Someone on here once said something like, "What you need to look at is the Noise to Signal ratio." I like that idea
Oh, no. I'm just opposing arguing with Leftists. Also, people on this board should probably get a better education about how to identify different "ideologies" before they learn how to argue. I was in a different thread today and all this faggot did was just claim I was a "leftist" proffering a "utopian ideology" and that was it. No discussion. No logic. Just "stfu leftist" and "you haven't proven your utopia" fucking pathetic
Multiculturalism has never been tried in anything like the form we have now. Old empires were able to function because as long as you paid the right amount to the right person you were left alone.
The idea that ghengis khan was multicultural because he had people who werent mongols fighting for him will get you laughed at by any historian. Same could be said of the roman empire and every other empire worth shit you care to name.
Absolute bollocks
If someone tries to kill you then you are forced to fight to defend yourself or accept death. War is this scenario on a bigger scale. The syrians should stay and fight as this is their fight to the death. People are trying to take their women and land and they have to decide if they are worth fighting for or not. The men who dont fight are cowards and should not be given anywhere to run to.
Oh you mean the 2 kind of people that lived 500 years apart? Geez i don't fucking know, you sure got me there. If i had to guess i'd say that the language somehow spread throughout the whole continent from the more populated areas to the less.
And even if a monarch or emperor forced some aspects of culture on its subjects, each individual culture and traditions will not disappear overnight, and language nowdays it's such a small thing, everyone should know 2 languages or more, so that's completly irrelevant.
You still have to give me solid reasons because they can't come in lol, you're such a fascist idiot.
Not an argument.
alright fags, i'll teach you how to argue like Holla Forums from my years of experience
-if they think differently from you, call them pedophiles or degenerates or say you'll hang them on the day of the rope.
-you're always right, they're always wrong
-if someone says anything negative about christianity, post the fedora meme, that shuts them down and wins the argument
-the only legit studies are the ones you post, if they post it, its wrong and marxist propaganda
-they always have autism, you don't
-your opinions are better, you're white dammit, everything you do is right.
-jews are behind everything
-violence, rape, and murder are wrong when the victim is white, its OK when its black or a feminist.
-acting like a mob is wrong when blacks do it, but okay when we do it
-doxxing is wrong when tumblr does it, but ok when we do it
now go and argue like a true Holla Forumslack
Is having sex with goats and abusing women the traditions of the Modern Liberal West?
Animal products are literally in everything, from makeup to tires. If you have any friends who believe that killing animals is immoral just show them how many animal products are in their blue hair dye.
Here are some of the consequences of a vegetarian/vegan population.
Pretty straightforward stuff here buddy, just use basic common sense on them.
This. That books is the best.
Amazing guide kamerad!
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We're living in 2016 ffs, we're not barbarians like the mongols were, of course it can work. It has before in the US, with ireland, italy, england, germany, france etc migrating there and they all had different cultures, that's a multiculture example right there and it made the best country in the world. What, do you hate america too?
or y'know… get to a safer country? Escape is perfectly natural, afterall it's fight or flight. You can't blame someone for their decisions.
No one is asking you to waste your time.
That's just a stereotype, you're ignorant if you think all of them do that.
[CURRENT YEAR INTENSIFIES]
Why don't you speak German or Irish? That was the main language of immigrants to America. Instead English-Speaking Americans assimilated them into the dominant English speaking culture.
at this point of autism I reveal my true power level
on the day of the rope all of you will be hanged
disgusting degenerates
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sshhh i'm pretending to be retarded
Again with this language thing? I already told you it's something so small it's insignificant, of course they're gonna speak the language of the country they are living in, they should however have access to their own if they make up a good percentage of the population.
don't give up user
Only 2 per cent of the refugees have a college degree. Many of the refugees are illiterate.
WE WILL SEND OUR INTER-CONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES TO HANG YOU GOD DAMN IT!
Cant help but laugh at this.
The countries you mentioned all have similar levels of technology and a similar religion. Again, you cant compare it to people from the 12th century immigrating from sandland.
You cant just leave everytime things get tough. Had a shit day at work? Just get another job. Wife being a cunt? Get another wife.
There are some things worth fighting for and why should anyone let someone into their land when they dont even respect the land they came from?
Then you contradict yourself.
The shills thought so too, they're out in full force today.
sorry to interrupt the pol safespace/hugbox, and be a "defeatist shill" who must instantly be filtered, banned, reported, and saged because I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT, but …
what exactly does winning a debate accomplish?
at the end of the day/year, you still have zero political power
and it will remain so
but you are loquacious, and supposedly, that's what matters?
moreso the reason to help them. We should give access to school to everyone in need no matter their age, so as a civilized society we can grow together.
accomplishes nothing, this board is just for fun and shitposting, Holla Forums doesn't have any power to do anything except memeing, that can help or hurt others, but the ones doing things are other people, like trump.
giving power to Holla Forums would be akin to giving power to tumblr
The point of winning debates online is the people who arent involved will learn a little. You will almost never get someone to admit being wrong online but if you let them lie and dont challenge it people who dont know much might see it and spout that to try and sound intelligent.
Besides, this is a way of reinforcing knowledge. It can help you to see something from a point of view youve never considered before.
if it remains so for long enough, eventually I'll just buy an assault or battle rifle, mod it to full auto, buy a huge magazine and go kill Jews, then I'll blow my brains out. I'll make sure to keep yelling Heil Hitler while doing it to increase the shoah
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BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!
They should have been educated in Syria, not here.
Can't refute this
Yes they may have had the technology or religion but someone giving up their life's work to get on a 2 months trip, to reach a land where you have nothing except possibilities is very similar to what we have today, and as some other user said they just need to be taugh as most of them are illiterate. We have a duty as civilized society to help those in need.
You would leave if your house was getting bombed by everyone and terrorists literally roamed your streets planting bombs everywhere. You think you're a tought guy but you haven't lived what they've been through, you can't blame them or compare it to a shit day at work, it's something different and scarier.
internet went out so i got a different ID btw
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How so? And you still have to give me a reason why they shouldn't be allowed in.
btw those one-liners you're writing are not gonna work as leftists usually tend to ramble on, don't let them talk too much. just a tip
It's a scam to centralize all power in gov- I mean Politbureau. Dissenters will be shot.
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Can verify. That's why they demand they be allowed to speak. They love oral masturbation cause it makes them think they're smart in the absence of any actual thought.
My advice? Do not stop. Go for the kill.
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saved. noice
Life isnt the same as when those people made their voyage. The country they were going to needed to be built and they were required to work very hard. The way it is now they are given priority over the citizens and they dont have to work for shit. Id be in favour of immigration if it was the way it was then. No government handouts, no guarenteed shelter. Absolutely nothing given free. The numbers would drop like a stone if they had to work for what they want.
If there was an uprising against a leader i agreed with id do what i could to keep him in power and if that meant joining the army then so be it. Or if i seriously disagreed with the leaders and there was a popular uprising id take part. If you are tired of the people planting bombs, join the army and kill them. Where are you going to run to when your new country gets mixed up in the same problems as what made you flee before?
Then why do animals eat animals?
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Heil Hitler.
It is not free it comes at the expense of high taxes.
It is not necessarily a bad thing but must be tempered with ethnic and cultural nationalism and very strict rules. A safety net is fine, having people living off the hard work of others is not.
spotted the Esoteric Hitlerist.
First of all we, as westerners, are to blame for their rise in terrorism and failing countries, and we must take responsability. Second, of course it's not the same, in fact it's the polar opposite. They are running from countries with little to no technology or modern infrastructure to a place so advanced they can't work even if they wanted to, and we should help them till they can support themselves, even if it takes a generation. They are running from death, famine, sufference, war and rape, and you're asking a normal human being to just "stay and fight". You're a monster.
Wait, wait, wait, I got one:
spotted the rabbi
There have been support and vitriol leveled at Trump from within the Zionist political camp.
More importantly support increased AFTER he was the nominee. Take of that what you will.
He's also a populist. We have no way of knowing what his policies will be as he's never server in a political position, but we DO know all the other options are shit.
Better an uncertain future than certain defeat.
Some advice, I fine that being wiley, fun, and humorous tends to win normies over. If you make your opponent look like an ass, people will tend towards you, despite the actual validity of your stances. Make it so that the opponent can never know your actual stances, then constantly poke holes in his.
If stuck in an actual debate, I can't give any good advice, but in an impromptu discussion turned debate? That's the best way.
The vast majority of companies can't afford to raise the minimum wage, so raising it would lead to the company itself not having a "living" wage.
SHUTITDOWN
So… memes?
raising minimum wage in recessionary periods can backfire hard, companies will just fire people until same salary accumulated costs are achieved.
so less people working, those who stay a bit more well paid, but more unemployment, and rise in structural unemployment.
Fuck off, this we you talk of is america. America is resposible for those things. You have mentioned we should help them multiple times but why should we help them in our country? Why should we not be working to make their country better as anyone can see we cant afford to take them all.
No. Normies are not yet prepared for dank memes. Know the crowd, and appeal to their humor. If you're out of the element, then just adjust to your best guess. Do not mock the audience. Make them feel like you and them are the same.
This is harderst part. After a lifetime of having to force yourself to be as liberal as possible against your inner will, you just feel like saying whatever right wing shocking thing works to them.
The reason why the Koch Brothers fund libertarian organizations like the Cato Institute and Reason, is to distract the working class from a valid marxist alternative to capitalism.
The Koch Brothers would not actually want state capitalism to end because then their property would no longer be protected. AnCap leads to corporate tyranny.
(I don't believe any of this but I've heard this before)
Why? BECAUSE IT'S 2016
And you're right, every country that can afford to take them in should, so every white country pretty much, and in fact it's exactly what's going on. Luckily we have smart leaders. We'll worry about their country later, so we can help them rebuild, but we must help them survive first.
Because we may as well start preparing for the next big social justice movement that's coming right after trannies, try out this one for size.
Hard to help them survive when it's almost a thought crime to point that some of them hate our guts and are willing to comit crime at our minimal display of weakness.
Can't wait for all the
I never said that white countries should take them. If anything the countries like saudi arabia or the other rich arab states should take them in.
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But user why is it better to treat the symptoms instead of trying for a cure?
Not all women do which can be proven through day to day findings and statistics.
A president that increases the debt that much is never a good president, neither is his pandering to minorities instead of 'uniting' (not showing power level) Americans together.
wait, here's another
They can't comprehend sexual acts though, and they cannot comprehend the consequences of said acts either. That is nothing more than harming children at a crucial stage in life and putting them at the same level of an adult.
How about this:
Trannies don't have a mental illness,
kinda tired m80s, 1:30am here. maybe some other time. I have to admit it's easy as fuck to defend those idiot's point of view, and actually hard to get the point across. One thing i noted is your arguments, yours and from some other anons too, got progressively weaker and shorter so you might want to check that out. If you want to focus on a specific point and argue that it's fine but try to expand, don't sintetize or you might find yourself in a dead end.
Rome wasn't built in a day, nor was it destroyed in a day. It was many years of patient building. You gotta be in on it for the long con.
Will keep it in mind, night m80
But anyway, I get what you were trying to say and it's not at all descriptive of socialism.
Economic systems exist on a sliding scale of government intervention, with communism on the enlightened, charitable left (total government control) and capitalism on the rugged individualist right (zero government authority to meddle in the economy, ever). Everything in between is an admixture of the two and can thus accurately be labeled as some degree of socialist. Nearly all world economies, including China, the U.S., UK, Cuba, and South Africa, are socialist.
#RealTalk #TruthHurts #StepUp
Consequences? Just use protection bro. No consequences to it if you put on a rubber.
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I cba doing this properly but id ask how they define a welfare state. Then talk about cultural borders existing.
Young children are both mentally and physically unfit for sex; it's not about protection. These children are not well developed enough or have even reached sexual maturity.
Good morning, Mr. Van Winkle. Have a nice sleep?
This fat Marxist pretty much says this:
Ah, the good ol' "let's return to early 20th Century America" argument.
We're the richest country on the Earth, we can afford a little pick-me-up to help new arrivals succeed in this country. Or do you want to take us back to the days of a crowded Ellis Island dumping an unending flow of immigrants into the rookeries of already overcrowded cities rife with poverty and devoid of job prospects?
Bruuuuuuhhhh, it's 2026. There's no need for "mental preparation", you just let it feel good man, like ice cream. And no pedosexual is proposing to lower the age of consent down far enough to where the kids are gonna get hurt; just down to 10, which is perfectly safe and fine.
If we can't take care of our own people (homeless), What makes you think we can take care of refugees?
There would need to be a high entry cost to prevent all but the most committed from coming. The problem is not more people coming in, it is low quality people coming in from third world countries. They are the ones that commit the massive amounts of crime and refuse to integrate. Having the same culture (and race) as the majority was somewhat of a given (but also essential to reduce conflict) when america had open boarders because the only place that could get there was europe.
You are recycling reaction images at this point. But aside from that you also speak from the standpoint of no actual life experience and real knowledge of government. So, get fucked Holla Forums and stay in your hug box.
What's the difference between someone who's physically male but thinks he's a female and someone who's physically human but thinks he's a space alien? It's a delusion, plain and simple.
Were you ever fucked in the ass at 10 years old by a guy 6 years older? How about 8? 10?
Most children at that age, when Sexual molested, suffer from trauma many years after the fact. Are you seriously going to deny the mental anguish millions of children suffer just because some old white guy in a lab coat said it's ok?
This has nothing to do with colonialism. It has everything to do with america being butt buddies with saudi arabia. America forces europe to play along when its being manipulative little bitches.
*Sexual active, not molested.
Complete fallacy. The current year is not an argument at all. People like you always use the current year or decade as an argument, as if it was the final authority, only to have it shift somewhere down the road.
Feeling good does not necessarily mean that it is good.
No it is not. 10 year olds are not even close to being mature enough to engage in sex.
Nothing is ever free. Anything provided must be acquired and anything acquired must be bought.
Even assuming enough people just volunteer to teach a bunch of dreadlocked poetry majors, they must be fed and clothed, creating a longer chain of goods and services being passed along.
A system to expedite bartering with simple numerical values is necessary, which can be traded for your labor, ideas, or possessions.
so how many children have you had sex with to know all these HOT FACTS with certainty eh?
Hi Holla Forums :^)
how could i forget, re-updated the pic, version 3.0
My friend say deporting illegals will kill the workflow of carpenters and other jobs they rely on them. The illegals are necessary because no one else can do what they can. Will also leave alot of children with no parents. Also is voting for Bernie
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SJWS absolutely LOVE pedos.
The UN Director General has himself confirmed that only a small minority of migrants are from Syria the rest are economic migrant Muslims who come to our countries under false pretenses. These unvetted Muslims who have been proven to increase the crime rate of any cities they've been emigrated en masse to, their greed is being used by the wahhabist Muslims (IS) as a cover to enter countries and enable terrorism. So what's more important to you Ms. Liberal, a dream of a multicultural society at as it seems any cost? Or a stringent border policy coupled with a immigration policy that's based on the benefit of the nation rather than pathological "Altruism" (Like filling white countries with uneducated violent Muslims economically or culturally enriches anything)
OK fuck you racist. Got it.
People like you are the reason my VPN gets randomly banned all the time
Wages would go up for native carpenters. Workflow would increase and force them to hire natives. This saves many small businesses.
That's stupid.
1. Then they could come legally to fill a worker gap.
2. What knowledge resources in Mexico do we not have here?
Deport the kids too.
Bernie has talked about wage compression in the past. This contradicts the other points.
Also, what an idiot.
user, please, its the CURRENT YEAR
yeah i know, the picture states pedophiles under "all powerful boogieman", and hence, its not false. that part of the picture isn't mean to state what they hate, its mean to state what they use as boogeyman to win arguments/get rid of "problematic" opposition.
you see, whenever you need to get someone out of the way, both sides will use pedophilia as a bad thing, it doesn't matter if they think it should be legal or if they think all pedos should be killed. Pedophilia is the ultimate boogeyman because the laws about it and the reactions people are conditioned to get out of it are extreme as fuck. its a perfect tool when you need a loud and vocal majority to join your cause.
Holla Forumslacks also love to ignore the fact that salon isn't a leftist or right wing site, its a clickbait site, if they write pedo shit people will click on it (and hence, give them shekels) because of the strong reactions this topic causes. if the most hated thing in the world right now was apple pies, they would write an article on them thrice a week about the health benefits of apple pies and how they're so tasty.
its all for the clicks.
not my fault you use a shit VPN.
FUCK OFF YOU COMMUNIST NGGER-LOVER
HEIL HITLER
#filtered
Where did you hear that from? Do you have statistics?
WOW now you're ACTUALLY denying SCIENCE. How about you share some proof with me instead of being a shitlord k.
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Give me sources.
How does a man with a handsome large nose speak for all white women?
I forgot to add, that sounds like mansplaining you shitlord.
It is the final authority. In the current year, people think and act in a certain way, and science has progressed up to a certain point. Since concepts like "good" and "bad" are totally subjective, it's the people who decide morality. So if you're out of line with the morality of the day, you're wrong. If you believe in science from the 70s while ignoring modern science, you're primitive.
"Good" is subjective. If you think it feels good, then to you it is "good". There is no objective "good" or "bad".
Of course it is. You know that's the age at which girls begin to enter puberty, right? There's no evidence to suggest that vaginal or lesbian sex with a 10 year-old girl will harm her in any way.
tl;dr get with the times grandpa
White are perfectly willing to work these jobs, they can't because illegals work for next to nothing and can't file lawsuits for abuse and such.
Deport the children too
Call him a nigger lover
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For those of you who say it's not worth debating with leftists, I disagree.
In a debate, you're not trying to convince you opponent that your politic view is better, but the AUDIENCE. It's a battle for the others minds.
Your adversary will NEVER switch to your site if he is deeply rooted is his views and has some kind of gain by sticking with it. Like these feminists reporters and their snake oil, making flaming articles full of ads. If you manage to convince him, that's a plus, the real victory are the spectators.
Lastly, EVERY idea needs exposure, so its good and bad sides can be seen by everyone.
This may be a double post, the first one was sent, but I dunno if it was registered.
For those of you who say it's not worth debating with leftists, I disagree.
In a debate, you're not trying to convince you opponent that your politic view is better, but the AUDIENCE. It's a battle for the others minds.
Your adversary will NEVER switch to your site if he is deeply rooted is his views and has some kind of gain by sticking with it. Like these feminists reporters and their snake oil, making flaming articles full of ads. If you manage to convince him, that's a plus, the real victory are the spectators.
Lastly, EVERY idea needs exposure, so its good and bad sides can be seen by everyone.
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this. Plus you will almost never convince somebody with one debate. ESPECIALLY over the internet.
the problem with believing truth is subjective, is to believe that there is no truth.
If beauty is subjective, then beauty dies. Everything doesn't become beautiful.
If honor is subjective, then honer dies. Everything doesn't become honorable.
Most importantly, If truth is subjective, then truth dies.
Everything does not become true
If the people all decided that 2+2=5 would that change the truth?
If we allow children to have sex, Why don't we allow them to drive? Why don't we allow them to get jobs?
Because they are not mentally developed enough to handle that type of responsibility
There are social responsibilities that come with sex (IE condoms and STDS) and children can't handel them.
Letting a 10 year old have sex is as insane as letting them work in a bomb factory or fly a helicopter.
This system most certainly works! See every single public kindergarten's art projects.
Great thread idea, OP.
Just a bit of a suggestion… "Names"
One name when playing devils advocate, posing a question to be dissected, etc….
That should make picking through the thread a little faster and more efficient, also for organization for cataloging for future reference, and posterity.
Secondly….. pic related:
1. That's Raysis
2. "So you are saying that all women are the same?"
Interestingly enough, primate sign language research indicates that all monkeys and apes who learn language, invariably use the word "Shit" to describe things that they don't like.
It is impossible to argue with leftists, they don't have a position that they are arguing.
You merely have to educate them, and then they stop being leftists.
There's… kind of a trick to it.
So you are going to steal from your fellow countrymen, AND YOURSELVES, to give to these "Refugees"?
If you actually had some BALLS, you would voulenteer with greenpeace or something, and go voulenteer to try to make the lives of all of the immigrants that can't actually afford to improve their lives, better….
But no… you are lazy as fuck, and you want the government to force others to pay for your pet projects, because you already know that you are too incompetent to help those people where they already are.
Mocking them just triggers them, and makes them angrier…
You educate them until they realize precisely how stupid their position IS.
Again, there is a…. trick to it.
Give me a reason to vote for Hillary that isn't about her gender.
Oh, this is a good one…
It's about that "But REAL socialism has never been tried!" thing….
The correct response is: "Do you think it will be this time? or do you think the super rich are just using socialism to gain your power, again?"
What year is it again?
Is that [Current Year] B.C. or A.D.?
(Triggering intensifies)
Lol, define politics, fool.
That's why you educate them, instead of debating with them.
They aren't debating, they are EMOTING pre-packaged political talking points that they believe only because those who GAVE THEM the talking points, told them that they are smart for parroting the propaganda.
All you have to do is absolutely crush their warped perspective, and make them realize that not only is the Idea they posses untenable, but it is also EMBARRASSINGLY stupid.
Keep in mind, Leftism is a clique, it's all about social proof to these people.
If you take away the social proof "Hugbox Echo Chamber" thing from them, their confidence just straight up evaporates, as they realize that they actually have to KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND YET THEY DON'T.
It usually shuts them up pretty fast.
Would you like me to put it in simpler terms for you?
Depends on how good you are, actually.
Most people even if they are met will all the evidence in the world, won't suddenly switch positions in one go. Especially with the subjects we're tackling.
Language is based on logic.
A = A
Meditate upon this wisdom, as it is the key to victory in debate with unarmed opponents.
Give me an example of a discussion that you are having problems with, and I will show you how to proceed in argumentation.
Are you really going to just believe some old out of touch white pedo, who only wants this law to have an excuse to rape more black girls? Wow. Just wow.
I'm not having one right now though I suppose the EU refurendum would be the most crucial currently.
which one?
UK
Brexit?
or
yea
Okay, I am somewhat unfamiliar with the arguments being put up against Brexit….
I don't suppose you could give me an example so I can discuss the particulars of the debate tactic?
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Are there any?
Shall I just paste an arguement a normalfag I know made?
Or a link, if that is more convenient.
Yes please.
Whats the alternative?
Here's one I see that is rather common:
"You only feel proud of your race because you have done nothing to be proud of yourself. You're just riding on the successes of others. You're just insecure"
Well it's facebook so I'd rather not. Here it is
Showed pic related to someone who argued for communism in the US and he responded with something like:
"Don't compare developing countries to the US."
Didn't know how to counter that since I suck at debates.
I'm proud of my race like I'm proud of my father, I will ride on that success, take that pride, and become someone that he would be proud off.
To not do so is to spit on all they have done for you
Doesn't that argument refute the narrative though?
The US is not a developing country for a reason
Communism is always in development
We fought two world wars to stop international despots ruling National countries
EU law supersedes are own and often without our say with no opt outs. There are five unelected presidents.
If you are okay with this because it gives you 30 coins of silver now that's fine, if not the Vote Leave
"this view is complex and problematic"
*cracks knuckles
Okay, let's do this shit:
This is self congratulatory filler bullshit, they are posing their emotions as a reason for the intended audience to agree with the speaker, based on empathy or what have you, shit like this can be safely ignored, because it has no substance.
This part is quite subtle, the reference to an elite clique of advanced and progressive socialites, who call themselves "Members of the international community" without knowing what that means.
The statement is actually a refrence to the social proof this person feels as a member of this "Clique" of a hugbox, the statement "Member of a generation raised in an international world" is simultaneously a slight to you (you primitive, one nation person), AND a self congratulatory pat on the back for being so cosmopolitan that they get all of their political views from capitalist controlled media and social media.
"You aren't a member of an international anything, you are a taxpayer of ONE nation, and these guys over there, are taxpayers of ANOTHER nation."
"How long do you think your country would last, if all of it's collected taxes went to other nations, instead of the one YOU are in?"
And what about "Safe Spaces"? (lol)
"You aren't scared of isolation, you are scared of self determination."
Literally invoking "If you don't like the E.U. you are Hitler!"
Best way to combat this is just straight up calling them on it.
Then reference that Germany basically controls the E.U.
That should shut them up.
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Implying cowardice, subtle shaming tactic.
"If you leave the E.U. you just a big ol scaredy cat!"
"Now give Germany more of your money!"
No we didn't… we fought two world wars to PREVENT becoming one giant global nation.
You poor, backward folks… can't even keep your shit straight without some global authority telling you to wash your hands after you pee, eh?
Typical leftist bullshit….
"Our government isn't doing it's job properly, LETS MAKE THE GOVERNMENT BIGGER, AND MERGE IT WITH ALL OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS THAT CAN'T KEEP THEIR SHIT STRAIGHT EITHER!"
Fucking Magic.
So, it is impossible for nations to work together in these fields, unless they are all controlled by a global super government?
Really?
Doesn't seem like that's the case, does it?
Then what's the problem?
Let the nations who want to opt out, opt out!
Unless, you are willing to take over their nation and enforce your vision on them through force, that is….
Highly doubt that, this "Rant" was actually pretty light in terms of actual content.
Alright, that was a first draft.
Thoughts?
Comments?
Also… this picture works pretty good against socialists.
I'm working on a few other ideas to crush the perspective of socialism within the mind of the leftist….
Here's a semi-debate l found between what l assume to be a Holla Forumsack and a Bernie supporter/ liberal.
Part 2.
Okay, Video Interview format:
Random journalist dude with a video camera interviewing random people on the street….
Dude: Hi, I'm doing a survey for [blah], can I ask you a few questions about the state of racism in [country name]?
Random Person: OMG, sure!
Dude: So, what do you think about Racism?
Random Person: I think it's very bad [etc]
Dude: Do you think we should be Racist as a society?
Random Person: NO WAI!!! Racism is bad!
Dude: What does Racism mean?
[lamentations Intensify]
you guys are so bad at argumentation against normal people. You literally just tell them the truth in a small bite of almost offensive but memorable lines. Try to make them answer a question because answering a question is way harder than asking one. Its also important to make the person seem like a deviant/idiot. Oh also this being likeable and funny is SO important when it comes to this argumentation and never have a position you "actually believe in" so to speak. A few things, if you arent ready for a fight dont pick it. If you arent well spoken and buckle under pressure or lose your temper dont fight. Never lose your cool and make them seem desperate. Modern arguments exist not as a clashing of facts but as a social posturing jerkoff. As long as you remember pic related and stay as teflon as the trump then you are doing well.
Firstly no one will ever make this argument so preparing for it is a joke but really if you ever encounter it you just say;
"any self respecting white woman doesn't date blacks, that's the unspoken truth, and honestly the girls that do are trying to prove to the world how unracist they are. They dont actually care about the person they are dating they are just trying to pay for some misguided debt of slavery. Its in our nature to stick to the familiar so logically you would need to be manipulated by the (((media))) to deviate."
then you amerifats gotta actually know what he has done otherwise you will look like an idiot
There is no point arguing with these people just tell them to;
"make sure you get enough protein m8 I have heard of people dying young since they didnt have the right amount of nutrients"
this puts them on the defensive then after they whine about the ways they supplement the lack of meat you say;
"wow that just seems unnatural to me I vowed to never have to take suppliments or to deviate what was found in nature, haha imagine our ancestors looking at us squabbling over not eating meat, crazy how privileged we are."
Remember to keep an air of disinterest about you like this isnt a serious argument for these sort of takedowns. The point is to socially embarrass them since that is all they care about.
just talk about the jews war crimes against Muslims this honestly all you need to do is keep it in peoples minds that jews are evil for some reason then they will be more welcome to hearing it later.
"wow your right if we raise the minimum wage everyone will become richer lets increase it to 200$ an hour then we can all be millionaires!" Patronise them in a lighthearted way and try to change the topic before they rebuttal if the topic doesnt change then just call them naive.
This whole argument hinges on >BETTER >BETTER >BETTER. A good technique is to find the pillar of the argument and just laugh at how dumb it is. Just attack how all of those things are not better. ask them "wow sounds great can you tell me exactly how much better all of those things will be and have been since being in the EU ? because I dont know and honestly I havent seen anything like what you have mentioned." then if they have an answer for that then say " right so then how does importing a hundred million uncivilised barbarians into our countries helps improve those things?" if you cant continue the argument from here then you shouldnt argue in the first place.
How would you do this with regards to redpilling about the Holohoax?
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You argue the correct path but are overlapping his subjective dualism with universals such as math. You're correct in that he is wrong for stopping at separation and identification of the forces, but you must emphasize why, and in that you get reality through synthesis of opposing sides; ever changing and swaying with society, but the realms of universal truth and accepted truth becomes more nuanced in biology, where most of that controversy storm stays.
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over 80% of the worlds population lives in poverty, our countries can barely afford to take care of those already living here. How do you expect to be able to take care of 6 billion more in your country?
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holohoax is a strict no go zone but you can always joke that the holocaust didnt happen. The closest you can get without being seen as a spastic werido is to say "I doubt that many jews died in the holocaust like really that is so many" but it would have to be contextual something I say is "the holocaust wasnt even close to the worst genocide, stalin was doing way worse and we barely even hear about it in textbooks"
According to professionally conducted studies, as well as dating sites, like okcupid's, stats on user preference, that is not the case.
I don't have the studies on hand beyond the citations in the infographics
Why?
I'm against women being in charge as well.
They won't listen to you. Better start with mushrooms, as they seem closer to animals.
The doubling of the national debt came about as a result of government spending, and while Obama did have to pick up the pieces of W. Bush, government spending has increased in the forms of foreign aid and social programs. The national debt is currently 18 trillion dollars, most of that coming from lending from private businesses and banks, that the government can't give back to their lenders. The expansion of social programs like welfare, social security, and ObamaCare, have all made it so the government has had to take out more money to afford these luxuries. One could argue simply cutting the military budget, but the military budget was only 3.5 percent of our GDP last year, and the entirety of the military budget is decided by congress. However, what many people don't know is that military is considered "discretionary spending", meaning that the spending is decided by congress and isn't made up of the entire U.S. government's budget. Rather, what's called "mandetory spending" makes up 65% of U.S. spending, and included are social programs, mostly Social Security and medicare.
Citation: nationalpriorities.org
Do you feel in charge?
But this is what this thread is trying to prevent. The entire premise of this thread is to elevate the debate rhetoric.
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