I'm making this post because I'm starting to feel more and more like freedom of speech and political-neutrality are dying all over the West, but possibly more quickly online.
My question is: what infrastructures, services, jurisdictions, strategies, and generally what resources would you recommend to host services that might be deemed offensive and politically edgy.
I was under the impression that Amazon AWS was quite the serious stuff, but I found their abuse policy the other day. They can basically shut you down if someone posts the word "nigger" on your website or if they simply don't like you.
May not really be helpful, but the only way is hosting yourself in countries that dont give a shit about PC and inclusion or whatever. You would have better persistance with ipfs, apparently there is tor support, i2p is in the way and there will soon be a JS implementation (so no excuse not to use it since it doesn't even require more efforts from the end user).
Props for wanting to help the fight for freedom OP.
Parker Wilson
This is the result of your "free speech". This is the future you choose.
Cameron Reed
baito too obvious keep trying
Adrian Ramirez
Shalom!
Austin Rivera
What do you mean its dying? It's already dead. We are already fighting against minority report in our lives. Tor/Encryption both have semi-shaddy ties to governments and companies but its the only thing we got left technologically on x86_64 platforms.
John Ramirez
fork templeOS, add networking, save the internet by creating a technical barrier.
Carson Turner
host it yourself, or rent some server racks amd set it up yourself gee that was hard
Hunter Ramirez
Yeah. But is it worth it? On what countries is this a good idea and why? How much would it cost? What services / hardware would I need?
Won't those be taken away? Won't the provider of the server racks shut me down for posting 'nigger'? How much would that cost? Why doesn't everybody do that?
Yeah. Leaving all the important stuff out of the answer makes it easy to post.
Ryder Jones
Let me remind you that Hotwheels lost 60% of Holla Forums only to be able to have it run somewhere. So I doubt it's as easy as you paint it.
Jaxon Ortiz
What about a Telnet-based BBS? Normalfags won't find it because you don't access it with your browser, and anyone wanting to be edgy can look like a hacker while doing so.
Ryan Watson
OP, here. That's not what I'm going for. I don't want some obscure form of offering services. I want to find a way of offering normal online services in a way that won't be shut down as long as it's not illegal.
Aiden Cruz
Don't use DNS because ICANN owns that. Don't rely on IP directly either because IANA owns that. That leaves you with encrypted onion-routed P2P.
Asher Miller
omfg... I don't want to build Child Porn central, neither have law-enforcement-proof infrastructures. I just want infrastructure to run my legal services on, that won't be taken down by offended special snowflakes. That's all.
David Brooks
Technology doesn't give a fuck what uniform you wear, what shade of pink your hair is or how many extra chromosomes you have. The threat model is the same and the solution is also the same.
Jeremiah Miller
"Offensive to sensibilities" "A danger to the state" ^ transferring data is disallowed for those reasons, whether it be "cp" or "political correctness
Pedophiles are the very tip top of the slippery slope of censorship, since they're easy to get even the most sensible people riled into a witch hunt over.
Tyler Brooks
kek
Robert Foster
Impossible
Xavier Myers
Why would you ever use AWS???
I understand the idea from an economics perspective, but if you use AWS you're effectively signing over some level of control to amazon and helping to grow the alternative botnet.
Amazon has always been harmful and does not respect the 4 freedoms. Hosting your site yourself means you have total control over your hardware, total freedom to say and post what you will (to the limit of what doesn't piss off the feds), at the cost of doing the needful to maintain your hardware.
If you want to buy a server look for something cheap off of ebay. Sorry, I can't make recommendations for your specific needs but others here may be able to.
Beyond a server, you'd also need a business plan from your isp. And if you're going to create a site that will piss off the feds then as says your only real option is onion services.
Aiden Morales
Pick one. What you are talking about does not currently exist.
Angel Taylor
NearlyFreeSpeech, xmission, or something Romanian.
Aaron Campbell
Zeronet already exists. Don't see why I should even need to enable JS, sounds like an awful idea.
The vanilla Java implementation is good enough, and there's i2pd for those that aren't fond of Java either.
Otherwise good advice. Avoid EU and north America for hosting. Not sure about this but Switzerland seems ok, places like Panama and Philippines should be fine as well. Friendly reminder that Romania and Bulgaria are now EU.
Overall clearnet seems to be too risky. You could take the nntpchan approach and try to keep things decentralized and in sync to whatever extent is possible.
Take examples from sites such as Wikileaks and The Pirate Bay, governments hate them globally so wherever they're being hosted should be good enough for the lighter stuff. (You should be aware that there were rumors of the pirate bay now being a honeypot, don't know how true those are. You can also have a look at torrentz.eu and associated sites)
Gavin Ross
Look into Ethereum and IPFS, you use IPFS to host static content and you use Ethereum for dynamic content or logic, eventually you'll be able to use IPFS for both easily, you can now but it's not all finalized and Ethereum is designed for distributed applications anyway.
These 2 things are distributed, decentralized, and autonomous, it would be hard to shut down whatever it is you maintain.
Hopefully whatever you're doing is just offensive though and not illegal, if it is I guess freenet is the option for you, same situation as above but also anonymous. Maybe look into I2P as well.
Ayden Bell
BG is barely EU, too much mafia shit to care about the net.
Austin Barnes
geti2p.net Either java or C++ I recommend java i2p since it's a more network-optimized (as in security, it's not that slow or heavy either) and worked on since 2003. C++ i2p is relatively new. Come and post in i2p Holla Forums : overchan.oniichan.i2p/?i2paddresshelper=ucCWLIVXlTj5wGLtMp6aLwN8WClEeHy7i0hVGfyefqaf~IO3QZIcs0rite83nhFI3AzNUM1Oy5Oo8QHflcT-ZoJ5mb8zvV4Me1NlanYXpHzJF9lrECLbNlspqlZRwmgpaQbMI8E6R4O3z2ViKCBwHxWGoCtqBQ9W0jysDGDHfRC5jkcqbJfsvraP2q6nqeXfAdU3dlFlcE5mN-bxFaQ2vpMv0jlPxNhCA0yB53xEp02Y4-h30h-H8nI4UKnq-XMU1opkfT8Bb9fWrJapbBm1iPPZT1CJSq3RA1QU-uuSBQaCvOGxNcuBdffNFm6Ocp89~qrFH49stNBo72814Hblchd7B7dTN-0c5U~pnb4eqYwbbuMpbCwr4c-zxavFivK5haPYZb109XFnN4VkWYJEw3gNNc9Ur27ck9fUVoBhIscwndMPHpsYcNbx~hmXvZ4Z1cSyopz5moLkua-Xq3s-zmrGihD~CgS8~vyyLHBmrRNnn3aZ5ppN9QGLz7jelrVyAAAA
Jace Cook
Zeronet seems amateurish compared to IPFS, that's not to say it's bad but IPFS has a full time team behind it and is already being tested by some high profile people. I also like that IPFS is focusing on modularity so it will work with routing systems and transport encryption you trust rather than whatever they choose to implement by default, if you trust i2p just use i2p, if you trust tor use tor, etc.
Zeronet also requires JS for the JS implementation too obviously, the js version of IPFS will too but for both IPFS and Zeronet you don't have to use the JS versions.
Robert Howard
Urbit tbh
Zachary Bennett
Buy your own server. Not any virtual shit, i'm talking real metal.
Nathan Howard
The catch is the hosting
Realistically, any gaming desktop will be fine for a lightweight blog, but building a server is a separate issue from finding the hosting. Charter, for example, has running any kind of server (to explicitly include SSH and HTTP) against their ToS. And it's still not politically neutral in any way. If anything, it's worse since it's a consumer ISP.
Ayden Lopez
Try running i2p using openjre on an arm device, see what happens.
Hunter Parker
it works great on my pi? on my android too? on my potato 1.80 ghz laptop too?
Hudson Peterson
Oh, so openjdk isn't shit anymore? I'll give it a try later today.
I mean, it's still java, so I doubt I'll get more than a megabyte a second of participating traffic, but at least it's not proprietary java.
Noah Russell
You can start by creating your own Freedombone OP.
