Human nature

Human nature is determined by both genetics and environment.

Have you even read Marx? His shit is incoherent, rambling, and borderline schizo at best. He makes wild claims, assumptions, and leaps in logic with zero logical justification. If you've ever read the Torah commentaries you'll instantly recognize this kind of bizarre insane "logic" as the Jewish method of avoiding the insanity of their archaic laws. It's a learned ability to make any arbitrary conclusion seem justifiable.

But seriously read some Marx and realize what a total joke it is. literally >if we distribute means of production everyone will magically be get along and be good and everything will be magical and happy

It is insane. It makes no sense and the most cursory observation of reality will reveal it to a total fraud. Just try it with kids. Give them the exact same shit and see if they turn out the same. It will never happen, not even once.

also sage and kill yourself my man

Hath Marx Lied?

NO

Marx was honest as Abraham Lincolnstein.

No 'human nature' is the product of environmental and genetic factors, which under healthy conditions means YOU STEER FAR AWAY FROM MARX

Politically, human nature arguments tend to be trash.

There certainly is a human nature defined by biology. Humans take nine months to gestate. Humans have the worst sense of smell of practically all land mammals. Humans have the best overland travel endurance of all animals. Humans have an innate linguistic faculty and will invent a language if they don't have one. Humans are highly social and form heriarcal societies. Humans have a natural division of labor between the genders. IQ is the best predictor of social success and technological development.

I've heard people on the left and the right both dismiss human nature arguments because propaganda and cheap rhetoric have soured them. But human nature is real, and our enemies want to convince us otherwise. Mainly to convince us that white males don't exist.

Human Nature like almost everything about us is determined by genetics.

This line is questioning is just as retarded as asking if a computers operations system is defined by how its code or not.

humans are programmable

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Dear god just what the hell koolaid have they made you drink?

Back to your containment board

Correct economic system:

"Six days thou shalt work"
"Thou shall not steal"
"Do not envy"

That's it.

OP Confirmed for not knowing what human nature is/means.

OP confirmed for not understanding Genetics, chromosomes, evolution, genetic drift, population genetics, etc….

Shit thread, have some Sage.

How is this different to communists who purge their ranks so often?

Also "Thou shalt not bear false witness"

The more you actually think about the ten commandments the less Jewish they sound. Almost makes the Kazar theory plausible.

"Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds"

The Bible rejected the Jews when the Jews rejected the Bible - why any of us would now do likewise is beyond stupid.

What an autistic premise to start from.

Human nature is inherent, the 'means of production' haven't influenced it in the slightest because we've only had 'production' for about 300 years.

Human evolution took millions.

That one.

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Of course it's wrong… that's why they are USING IT.

the fuck does that even mean?

Human nature came from billions of years of evolution.

Everything that we are was selected for over millions of generations.

I think he means the ideal of the nation and the way that the nation expresses itself (culture). Two fascist states bordering each other could be a problem because trade and organic cultural exchange could be seen as transgressions against each other because fascists are hyper aware - hence "eliminating anything that opposes the authenticity of their ideal". Exacerbating the cleavage that might already exist between two bordering states perhaps to the point of war.

That is some metaphysical shit right there.

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Fascism of the variety found in Britain, and certainly that of Nazi Germany (NUR BUT DEY IS NATIONAL SOCIALISTS HURR) were perfectly compatible with capitalism.

The main idea is that you are shifting the purpose of the society away from 'gain as much material wealth as possible' and changing it into 'achieve the highest level of national health possible'.

To achieve maximum national health, you will normally be trying to make as much wealth as possible. With more resources comes more opportunity, with more opportunity more chances for success. Its a pretty simple concept to understand. Nazi Germany appeared 'capitalist' a large amount of the time.

Capitalism is great for improving nations, health levels and all the rest. These things almost seem to flow out from wealth; but they do not entirely. A 'money is more important than all else' nation would encourage mass cheap labour if it will directly make them money. They would be okay with cutting down their forests. They may even be okay with selling their sons and daughters, and perhaps even themselves into slavery. In such instances having more 'wealth' does not equal having greater 'health'.

It is those instances where there should be another voice that says; "This goes against our national interests and thus is not going to happen. You will not make money out of ruining the lives of the people of your nation."

In the vast majority of cases however a fascist nation would be indistinguishable from a capitalist nation. The two are rarely at odds, but it is important to recognise that the capitalist philosophy is ultimately flawed if taken as the 'be all and end all'.

Hermits, gurus and monks say no. I could go on but there's really no point. Marx is clearly wrong.

I've always felt that it's a product of the genetics that built us. It's why cultures and languages developed differently. This together with enviromental factors that shaped different bits of humanity through evolution to the point of being different sub species. We think differently act differently and achieve differently because we've evolved to be different from one another.

Human nature is to be as terrible as possible at all times. Nothing can ever be good.

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I don't know why anons think OP's question is bad, it points out a major flaw in Holla Forums thinking, so it's good for that reason.

Marxists are committed to materialism. Yet they ignore materialistic philosophies like naturalism or physicalism. Hence they tend to ignore specific sciences that give evidence of something like a human nature that separates us from other species, including the rest of the homo species. Lysenkoism was a pretty good example of this, and the same strains of thought hold today. Much of marxist's explanatory framework for humans then relies on something much like idealism, rather than strict materialism. Especially when they start making ideological claims about human nature, or explaining history in some historicist terms. Post-marxist types are even worse, flat-out denying the very thing that they allegedly push.

You guys should browse Holla Forums threads on metaphysics sometimes, it's fucking hilarious the mental gymnastics they make to fit in this contradiction. It's kinda like the Stirnernite retards with their nominalist spook-talk, while not actually being nominalists, because they push geists in much the same manner (and the hilarious way they pretend to be egoists while actually in practice acting like altruists). This is what happens when you latch onto a philosophy, instead of reading broadly throughout the history of philosophy.