Honest Rhetoric Strategy Question

how about you go kill yourself kike.

good question op.

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I say we use Jew.

But why would they think to use it when using the jew's geographical heritage is as political as mentioning them as national agents of communist as opposed to MUHGODSCHOSEN?

But I guess the fact that you actually condone israel at all means you're probably just another (((((israeli corrector)))))

I just want to use the jew's trick against them my friends. They have already effectively controlled the use of that word to the point that non mainstream criticism is met with MSM discreditation almost instantaneously

It wouldn't normally be an issue if they aren't trying to smear Trump with David Duke's word just because Duke said the word jew. Trump himself can say the word mexican to criticize their government and people, so what if we can cast the same suspicion the public has to, say Mexico or Russia, to the jew by saying israeli instead of the obvious, but too on the nose JEW?

well we arent the MSM, I will never give up on any of our words for PR. If you want to compromise and play games, make your own site away from the uncompromising chan culture.

I don't know what you just posted but it sounds like you just don't want to be triggered while you're forced to post here.

International Jewry are an entity that transcends all national boundaries, a substantial fraction of them do not have any interest in Israel. The Ashkenazi merchant clans are biologically distinct from the ancient Judeans, the Ashkenazi race evolved as transnational merchants without ties to any nation. The Zionist project is an attempt to create an artificial Jewish nation and a new artificial Jewish people by breeding high-IQ Ashkenazim with various Jewish kebabs. The smarter ashkenazim have begun to see Israel as a dysgenic failure and have returned to their roots of internationalism. A large percentage of Ashkenazim would choose to keep their international financial niche rather than work to preserve Israel.

Conflating Jews with Israelis would be a mistake. Most Israelis are completely harmless 90 IQ Mizrahi kebabs. It is the Ashkenazi international merchants who are our most dangerous enemy.

Do you live in a cave somewhere? It's not a question of if, they're already doing it.

Also. Compromising language is retarded and never works in the long run.

As another user said, it doesn't describe the reform (liberal) jews.

Why not use the j-word's power to your advantage? If people around you get uneasy if you even ask if someone's jewish, they'll have to explain this feeling to themselves. It's not like jews are oppressed. All they will come up is some vague thing about the holocaust.

But we will continually play into the hands of the jew owned MSM by shouting it from the mountain tops the way we seem to do. They are literally counting on that to be able to brush any legitimate criticism with the 6BAJILLION.

Think about it, even normies are coming around to the idea of THE WALL because they have been shown that it is the actions of a nation that are causing us problems, not just the people who come here only to sell drugs and spit out mildly retarded chicanos.

This is what I was looking for. Thanks for your insight, do you think we can just focus on the ashkenazim aspect without triggering the "thought crime" inducing, yet completely obvious, JEW. I believe we are too close to winning this ideological war to lose to the obvious trap of spouting jew ad nauseam upon a populace too entrenched in the communist kool aid.

Globalist is good because even the most liberal cuck can accept that verbiage as a foreign attack on their homeland, but I feel we need descriptors that fall somewhere between the vaguely international "globalist" and the obviously normie triggering "jew."

We need to beat the jew at their own game before they reorganize to attack Trump for the general.

gb2israel OP

That's a good point, how can we harness the obvious advantage of the jew without falling victim to the programmed drones who defend them?

I saw an attempt to put them on the bottom of the liberal progressive stack, which seems to be gaining traction at the college level, but we need more memes of that caliber to break the communist grasp on the populace at large.

Ideas?

By the way I mean if you're an otherwise respectable person. This isn't meant to ruin relationships but to push boundaries.

Bro, that worked in an economically depressed, post war germany that already fought off an obvious jewish coup d etat.

We unfortunately live in a timeline where hitler jumped the gun on attempting to unite europa under that ideology. If only he had lived to see the beauty of meme magick.

Even communist ideology is but another shield the jew uses to distance himself from his deeds.

But going up to a suspected jew and going all "JUDEN" on him will trigger them to the point to fracture any potential relationship with them. I tried that on a gay jew and literally brought him to an uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance which was proceeded by buzzword shouting on their part.

What they really fear at this point is the people that are aware of jews, but aren't neo nazis or violent, just average white people. Maybe we could meme that?

Maybe you shouldn't have tried it on a gay jew. A non invested non jew isn't so sensitive about that and has no interest in keeping jews special.

I view (((it)) as a corrupt sociopolitical ideology and not as a religion or race

When I hear "antisemitic", I hear a hollow term intended to stifle political opposition.

Even the holocaust was just a political purge which was par for the course in that time period (see Soviet purges).

Exactly, how can we meme the maliciousness of the jew without using that word, in order to engage brainwashed normies without triggering the antisemite response. I think that's what op was trying to get at. Globalist is good but too general, we need a more direct way to address the jews without drawing attention to the religion.

I actually like this. This is good. And, if they say "I'm not an Israeli," you can just be like, "oh sorry I thought you were jewish"
"I am"
"Oh so you have the right of return, then"
"yes"
"so you don't even really have to care about this country bc you have another country you can just flee to"

This is what pisses me off the most. They know they can just shit all over everything bc when shtf they can just leave. It pisses me off to no end.

you dont change words that have hundreds/thousands of years of baggage behind them.

nobody ever got "israeli'd" but millions have been "jew'd."

changing our lexicon would be suicidal.

nobody's afraid of faggots but that doesn't stop them from calling you a homophobe.

But the average person who received a government funded education has inadvertently been made a jew shill. So we have to find a way to attack ((israeli)) ideals without bring the religion to the forefront of the discussion, only their anti western deeds.

Now we're talking! Can we find a way to weaponize this meme, which is obviously a jewish benefit, as showing that there are a group of people who are trying to destroy western nations because they will have a place to return to without the repercussion of having to live in the wastelands they are trying to create?

We are smart enough to know that, but that baggage has been whitewashed and in our current world even referencing the word jew causes a reflex to the uninitiated. We need a way to engage the commoner in such a way that our message is received without them focusing on the baggage at all.

All of our lexicon is great for red pill but we soon as the word jew is spoken emotion seems to take over. We need to attach our ideas to something that can be identified subconsciously as being jewish without making the thinker aware of their "thought crime"

That's the ticket to the new enlightenment

If i wanted to subvert a movement, id have them change their language every year so they dont have a single anchor word to gold on to. id change the word "racist" to "racialist" and eventually to "racial realist." id make them think of a new word thats not "islamophobe" bc im not afraid of islam, i just dont want them here. id constantly make them change the words they use to keep them changing their message and go back to the white board every so often.

you may be well-intentioned, but youre wrong. dont let the enemy decide your next move. dont let them change your message or how you communicate it. this is Holla Forums 101: always be on the attack. if youre defending, youre losing.

This asshole is a retard who knows nothing about how politics and discourse work… or simply JIDF

Ignore and hide ID

great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions

Isn't that a bit counterproductive? Even if we always attack, because the jews control the rules of the game we could never win. They're the holocaust globetrotters, everybody knows they're cheating but people give those losers special treatment regardless. We need more than just multimedia memes to change the rules, we need rhetoric as subversive as theirs is but with the sting of reality that they don't seem to have.

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user thinks I can see the post, but I can't. See how that works? simply filter ID, and you don't have to deal with D&C shills

Call a spade a spade.

Name the jew.

Like I implied above. Keep the word, change the definition to reflect a political position, not a religion or people.

Nah dude, you don't come into a slow thread to spout bullshit like changing racist to racial realist, without a game plan no less, and expect to be taken seriously.

The jews control their own word and how the populace perceives it. How can we subvert the word in such a case?

That's why I posit that we must move from our easy modo tactic of just spouting jew to something that even the most turbonormie can digest without a kneejerk muhgreatestally reaction. If we master this, we can kick them back to the societal fringe they were in back in the 60s.

Can someone explain what D&C stands for?

There's no point.

Call a jew a jew and he gets mad, everything else is just cherry on top.

were you trying to respond to me? because i was saying that hypothetically, as if i were the enemy.

to be clear: DONT CHANGE YOUR LANGUAGE, MAKE THEM CHANGE THEIRS.

don't know what you're talking about. this is a thread about Jews/Israelis

divide and conquer

Divide and conquer. Read the Holla Forums sticky before you bother posting.

Unfortunately we alienate the normies we seek to convert when jew seems to be the only word we use to expose them.

The user who spoke of their right to return was onto something. We need to turn that phrase, which is a right of the jew, and make it tantamount to cowardice or complicit to Western collapse

forgot my sage.

my favorite book is "The Israelis and the Lies" by Martin Luther.

my favorite movie is "The Eternal Israeli" by Josef Goebbels.

see what im getting at here? if you dont get the references dont bother calling me a shill.

were you a normie once? i know i was. and guess what? i hate jews now. i didnt then. it seems a normie 'can' be swayed by the word jew, 'without' an emotional reaction.

ive never met an israeli in my life. but ice met many jews. and they suck.

That's a bug nose you have there

And your point of view is duly noted. But in today's jew owned lugenpresse infested world, we need a way to bypass the word but keep the message to preempt them from trying to label Trump as a thought criminal.

We all were, but it was our environment which aided our red pilling. I want our message to reach the poor beta in a cucked western nation in such a way that even without right wing role models they can digest our rhetoric without the cognitive dissonance that comes with the word jew.

Niggers look, OP isn't off.

I usually use (((establishment))) when talking to blue-pilled cucks personally, but when it comes to clear Jewish participation, what you can use is 'Pro-Israeli'. A lot of the Jews in parliaments and government officials may not be Israeli in nationality, as in on paper, but they do clearly further Israeli interests at the expense of the duty they actually have to the state/the people.

i thought they were israelis. what happens when "israelis" has the same negative connotations as "jews?" if anything, use both. like how "thugs" means "niggers" now. that i'm okay with, but its still diluting.

Just use whatever fits the circumstance. Marxist, international clique (:^)), elites, 4th estate, nepotists, israel-first, money grabbers, wall street.

You're never gonna find a one size fits all word better than jew, though, which is why I suggested to push peoples boundaries on that to the point where you can casually mention it in conversation occasionally.

Jews are no excuse for treason.

Thanks bro. Establishment, ((concentric parentheses)) and the aforementioned globalist are good to start with, but it doesn't make the distance the threat they are as from outside the country the normie resides in. We need to make jew a foreign concept, as easy to demonize as say Mexican. This makes them responsible for the wall without calling their religion or ethnicity into question.

Perhaps we can make fun of the jew's "right to return" in such a way to make the subconscious leap to mention who we are talking about.

If you pique their interest enough to look up some of these "international bankers" and "marxists" they will find many are jews.

It's not some process that can happen in a day which it sounds to me you want.

As they said in the matrix "I can only show you the door, you're the one who has to walk through it".

I've just noticed that the problem with your analogy is that some people are so entrenched into the ((israeli)) dream that they no longer know how to use doors even when presented with one.

I was hoping they'd be more philosophers on during this time of the day, I really feel like there's something with the right of return that can be used to name the ((israeli)) invaders in our western governments.

Duke has failed for 30+ years so taking advice from him… NO.

JEW gets them. It's a kick in their baby dicks.

This fucker has been doing this shit for decades and the best he can peep up with is some poorly argued semantic argument?

I know what you're after, it's definitely a good meme and I bet there's some old word that we could use. Gonna take some brainstorming.

Usually when a person has more allegiance to a foreign country they are a spy or double agent. We've tossed around rootless cosmopolitan as well but that's not really the same.

Maybe the closest is traitor:

I'm fine with returning niggers to Africa, maybe those apes will actually build something one day (but I doubt it)

Judiasm however is a cancer on the face of the earth and needs to go. Personally believe that every jew needs a bullet.

What makes you think the jew thing will matter to them? The only thing that can convince them is a popular TV show or talking head online…. that or a rope.

Maybe you're just bad at it.

OP here, thanks for the input. So right now we are looking to create a good meme that calls out the ((israeli)) "right to return" and their treacherous nature. Escapism comes to mind.

((isreali escapists)): People who don't care about nations because they can always return to theirs. I know its not good but I think its a start.

The very second you self censor or tell others to and try and police your own political standpoint for words the opposition finds offensive is the second you are a cuck. Fuck you, fuck civic nationalism, and if this is the Trump train now fuck the fucking faggot fucker.

I addressed that already. We're all playing a rigged game, and while its fun to be edgy on the internet, the next phase of this culture war will be played out in the general election. We need to predict what our enemy is doing before the msm lie to western normies. ((They)) are already trying to make Trump into an antisemite using other people's words. We need to inform those same normies using phrases that inspire curiosity but not the emotional response that jew was been programmed into them.

Most of the time I use (((globalist bankers))) or (((wall street bankers)))

But occasionally I'll name the Jew when I feel like getting into an argument I'm half-kike, so if someone says "you can't say that!" I accuse them of being anti-Semitic for oppressing my freedom of expressionyep totally aware that's Jew-logic

Is this the David Duke quote Trump replied to by saying anti-antisemitism has no place in our society?

Call em' whatever you want, a kike is still a kike.

Angelo made a video on this. Here's the excerpt, starts at 7:48, watch it. I'm just paraphrasing now for tldr purposes.

Antisemitism is indispensable for the jews. I am talking specifically of the jewish elites, because that is the group behind this, not fucking Schlomo down the street, or a random fucking rabbi, or whatever. The elites have set up a convenient trap for us to fall into, and that is the 'jewish trap'.
If you attack the jews, all you are doing is conveniently reinforcing the narrative. The elites tell the jewish people, 'look, these evil nazis are out to holocaust you and make soap and lamps out of you', and then you come along blaming the jews for all the ills in the world, and you fell for their trap like a retard. This is like BLM saying all white people are slave owners. It is also disingenuous. All your enemies need to do to rebut your arguments, is to point out a single fucking jew who isnt part of the conspiracy. Moreover, what of the white people who are pushing the jewish plans? Angela Merkel? SJWs? Would you look at that, some of our own people are our greatest enemies.

The solution is not to replace the word 'jew' with 'israelite' or whatever. I don't know why you would think such retarded idea would work, but tbh I can't expect much from the underagefags that browse this site. I mean, I'm glad that young people are coming aboard, of course.
We've been blaming the jews for a fucking century, and this movement has gone fucking nowhere.
If you want to get around the 'jewish trap', the solution is simple. You can talk about the 'jewish elites' all you want, but there is a better way.

All you need to do is: attack their machinations. This is why Donald Trump is so effective. He's not idly blaming some arbitrary group. He directly addressing the problems, the jewish machinations, and he is offering solutions. And since people like solutions, they become active and vote for the guy. That's how you get the masses, which you fucking need in order to get anywhere.
And once you attack the jewish machinations, guess who comes to their defense. All the jews, and their shills and cronies. And they conveniently expose themselves.

This is off topic but I really hate using the word 'elites', because that implies that these parasites are somehow superior.

great post

Oh and this doesn't mean that you should lie. Of course, jews are very infulential… but which ones though?
But the machinations thing is all most people need. And when someone comes along and asks you specifically, 'sheesh, so who's behind all this shit', then you can go into detail.

TL;DR

As thanks for being the logical guy in the room

As said

Thing I hate are the globalist bankers, the SJWs, this degenerate consumerist culture that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. These are all Jewish machinations.

But the "white" machinations – the surveillance / propaganda slave state is equally bad.

The problem of the modern age is that the two forces have combined into a single oligarchy – Brave New World + 1984

Then when we attack the machine, how can we clue the plebians as to who is operating the machine without falling into their trap? That's the answer I seek to answer. How do we show them the door without them seeing the six pointed star?

We need rhetoric that bites harder than the social marxism that plagues the discussion. We can't have that sort of stuff fucking up the general this fall.

If we destroy the machine, who operated it matters not.

If they try to rebuild we will crush it again.

machinations, not machine kek
Theoretically, we can accomplish all our goals without naming a single jew.

Then how can we start to generate rhetoric to so. How can we call on the problem and solve it while withholding who was responsible. The layman wouldn't buy it if we didn't also give him a way to prevent it from happening again.

Using "jew" openly desensitizes people to criticism of jews. It thus reduces the power of the "anti-semitism!" buzzword.

If we are simply looking for a name that isn't filtered through brain washing simply calling them "Ashkenazis" would probably be the best bet. It takes out Israel and Jew, things that are programmed in as sacred, and adds nazi, something which they're programmed to hate and destroy. I think that
has more potential for red pilling than
Most normalfags won't know what you're talking about with the first one, and they might genuinely listen to your explanation of who these people are and what they do.

i unironically think this is an awesome post