Quality of life trumps GDP says small Nebraska town

Chicken farms/processing plants are notoriously foul smelling but if the kikes running them would hire Americans and up the pay it wouldn't be as large of an issue. See the real problem below.

We don't have the room for enough family farms to feed the nation. That is, unless you like the idea of mass deforestation and completely cluttering the countryside.

The only reason why the population keeps growing in the US is because of open borders. Stop the immigration and the population will decline until it hits a good equilibrium point. But that would mean less consumers, so businesses can't have that. And it would mean less workers competing for jobs, so businesses can't have that. Infinite expansion of consumers and of the labor supply is what the globalists demand and so far have been getting.

Yes we do.

You're parroting propaganda. Most corporate farms are run like family farms, they just don't own their farms anymore, they rent them. Corporate farmers don't save seeds, but use the ones they are provided.

Family farms could easily provide for the nation if they were subsidized for a fraction of what major corporations get.

How do you not know how a farm operates, are you even European?

That's why we need to kill 5-6 billion brown people and institute reproduction control and eugenics for the rest.

No we don't. Give me some stats to prove it.

No they're not; hence why all these Leftie faggots go around calling them inhumane. They hold far more animals in the same small space.

No, but believe it or not, farms exist outside of Europe. I was never talking about Europe. Note I said country, not continent.

We're producing such a ridiculous surplus of food that the the government pays certain crops to specifically not be grown. There's crops that are burned at the end of the year instead of harvested, because the seed needed to be used, but the food won't be put into the market because our fucking stupid economic model relies on that to not commit sodoku.

We have plenty of food. It's just not being used.

The free market will kill the lower 90%.

That depends on if you're talking about an animal farm or a crop farm, in my head I was thinking crops.

Animal farms are unsustainable as family farms, yes. But if you reduce the average amount of meat per individual to pre-industrial levels, you'd find the demand much easier to meet.

My bad on the miscommunication.

No. The free market is inherently degenerate, and most of the richest people deserve to be killed even more than some black criminal does. If we killed everyone with a net worth over 100 million, the world would instantly become a better place, even more than if we killed all felons.

We don't enjoy a truly free market, so I don't know how you see fit to criticize the free market on the basis of our current society. What do you recommend Comrade?

Disagree. If we got rid of minorities and bullshit quick-profit industries both, we would be golden. Race>GDP, we just need haven't had a system like that for over 50 years.

Horseshit. Savory method of holistic land management produces more and better quality food than our current one. We could decrease the acreage for farms and still feed evryone. But even better if we kick out the beaners, blacks, chinks, and muds.

This is a shill making a weak trap.

If I show you data from Savory method farms and say we could do it here

Silly shill, your Jewdi mind tricks will not work on me.

Easy. We kill everyone who says the word comrade.

If you kill every incentive to succeed, more people will demand welfare and not give a shit. You're making the same mistake as SJWs; you have to work with human nature, every fool who thought he could socially engineer around it has been BTFO by nature. Go study history without cherry picking it to coddle your autistic mind.

Just have welfare but tie it to working on public works projects. Welfare as free money for nothing is a bullshit meme to scare people off of natsoc.

And this is not new, several times in America's past we have tied welfare to work by law. It generally results in a drop-off of requests something like 80%. The remaining 20 percent deserve something communal for their work.

I don't know why you'd want to do that. Isn't that your favorite word, Comrade? After all, you're the one advocating for a big authoritarian government, the belittlement of our freedoms, and an end to capitalism.

Without a good GDP we'd be living like Russians (or worse), and I don't want that. I don't give a shit how white the country is, it doesn't make a shit economy any more bearable. The only way to maintain the current standard of living is with a good economy.

We can talk about how we'd be better off without niggers and whatnot in the nation all we want, but what's the point? They're here, and we don't have power to remove them. We're not the fucking government. Unless you plan on doing something about it, shut the fuck up.

Now show me the data showing family farms can produce more meat per acre of land than a corporate farm. Not just more meat, but eggs, milk etc. Also give me data showing that they not only produce more per acre, but that they produce it more quickly. I've yet to see a family farm as packed with animals as a corporate farm. I've yet to see a family farm with the amount of workers and machinery as a corporate farm.

I knew it, you're a fucking Socialist…

more More MORE!!!

That's the only thing that's important in life… MORE!!!!

vimeo.com/7306050

Your materialism and consumption addiction is going to destroy your soul.

You mean my desire to have enough food for the entire population? I don't want to spend $50 for a pound of ground beef because family farms couldn't produce it in large enough quantities. Now fuck off, Comrade.

i dont know if it's as blatant as that.

i'm not fully convinced yet that welfare, if implemented right, is an inherently bad thing. It's a hugely horrible piece of shit when you have niggers and spics using their kids as income and remaining unemployed, but that's due to the jew government giving them literal money for nothing.

welfare, if used at all, should be implemented as a temporary measure to help get our fellow countrymen back on their feet in times of trouble. That's how i see it. I see vietnam vets begging on street corners all the time where i live, but i also see fat fucking niggers and nigresses and their 8 goddamn brats in the grocery store all the time using EBT. It's fucking rigged. My white war vet elders, victims of the fucking jew machine, have to beg for scraps on a daily basis while that same jew machine gives OUR FUCKING MONEY to the goddamn useless, degenerate minority families.

I think welfare could be great if done right. I also think the Reich had some system of welfare, but I could be wrong. This is just me theorycrafting of course, I'm almost 30 but I've never seen an actual welfare system in burgerland ever implemented for the good of "the people."

Grew up near a paper mill and worked with Iraqi niggers to build chicken factories (complete failure btw) and can attest they are truly disgusting industries smell wise.

Used to live less than a block away from a paper mill. How the hell do they get that stench out of wood pulp?

Nice try jidf. If that's true then hitler was a socialist.

But to be fair, if hitler is your definition of a socialist, I'm cool with a socialist usa. Only this time the gas is real.

Can our big authoritarian government kill the jews? Cause I would give an arm and a leg worth of freedom to kill the jews. Also,

, then

You get gassed first.

I spent time near one. No wood on earth smells like that, even rotting wood. That's toxic chemical off-gassing of some kind.

well, looks like the locals saw through the bullshit quite quickly there

dhs.wisconsin.gov/air/pulpodors.htm

You're a fucking moron…

So yah like I said chemicals.

Sh7t it down, they know.

I want to gas you, but for now I'll settle for a filter.

They did the right thing. This sort of thing actually drove a stake in the town in which my grandfather grew up. (After the Walmart came, that is.)

Tyson cut a deal to put a plant in, and the town gave them the blessing. Much of the people living there went to work at it. Eventually, those running the joint started bussing in Mexicans, until they were the primary ones living there.

The Mexicans all set up in the same part of town, flags and all, and it largely became a no-go zone/Mexican colony. Soon the old buildings on Main St. that looked like something out of Mayberry were painted pink and shit. As the town disentigrated, those who could, moved elsewhere.

This, if used as intended, just as a way to get back on ones feet, and not free gibs for niggs it could be a great way to help those that are down on their luck and get them back to work.

They'd rather recruit globally than employ Americans so fuck them. This has been a repeated phenomenon with meatpackers. They've done it again and again so people are wising up to their bullshit.

I see, so we're just adding Jew to everything in an attempt to perfectly exemplify the caricature of a Holla Forums user, while imparting Leftie ideals as the opposition to the challenged so-called Jew system.

Hey stupid, the basis for your ideology comes from Jews. Capitalism does not. You're not winning anyone over by trying so fucking hard to be that one Holla Forums user that whines about Jews in every single comment. Especially when conflating Jews with things that are not Jewish.

Go back to Holla Forums faggot…

let's just say welfare combined with universal suffrage is a fucking terrible idea.

smart.
good values.

You're asking for an endless ladder of more people justifying more production to create more people to justify more production and on and on forever. Life systems don't work like that. You end up with a disastrous crash but you'll be dead by then so you don't give a shit as long as you had a bag full of shekels while alive.

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Now hopefully North Carolina and Mississippi learn this lesson on the State scale, cuz its basically the same concept.

this is great, the big businessmen bring in somalis and other third world savages to work in their meat packing plants. they pay them about 30 cents an hour. look up postville, iowa. the kikes built a kosher plant there and imported somalis to the town who started raping and pillaging people.

Maximizing GDP at all cost including quality of life is what the shekel lovers think life is about because they lack empathy and self awareness. They can't conceive of anyone not wanting to live solely to maximize material wealth.

When the fuck did I ever mention anything about more people? I'm against immigration as much as the next guy, and unlike the bulk of the morons on Holla Forums I don't stress birthrates because I know the population can't expand forever (the problem is group competition within a nation). Like I said, I don't want to spend $50 for a pound of ground beef. So if it takes a corporate farm to make my meat affordable, then so be it. The irony here is, Holla Forums goes around bitching about how "they're trying to take our protein away so they can better control us!" but bring up this topic and suddenly you people contradict yourselves and you want to decrease production and raise prices so the general populace can't afford it.

My home town had a Sanderson Farms plant come in. It bought out/gyped out all the local chicken farmers, built a monstrous factory on a stretch of the highway there, and even though the actually factory was a mile away from the road, you could smell chicken shit and guts on the highway and half a mile in either direction. Ghe bugs there were god awful.

Oh, and all the jobs went to non-White migrants

i guarantee those non-whites are illegal aliens who are getting paid less than minimum wage. all the meat plants do this all the time

Fuck if we don't. Break up agribusiness monopolies and free up public lands for the use of the actual citizens.

Otto von Bismark invented the first system of welfare in the world in 1889, mainly because a starving man isn't a very good soldier. So yes, the Reich had welfare.

So we clutter the landscape with tens of thousands of family farms outside of every small town and city in the nation? I don't want that. I'd rather try to reform and perfect the current model than clutter the countryside with farms. Deforestation and the destruction of natural habitats would undoubtedly be a consequence, which would probably endanger a few species of animals and thrown the ecosystem out of whack. Family farms, given the land they take up, are not as effective in producing quantities of meat as corporate farms. Again, do you want affordable meat or not? I do. I want to be able to purchase meat as a common food item, not have it as some expensive specialty item unless you're making $100,000 or more a year.

Are you really that stupid? Do you think everyone in town is going to stop what they're doing to work 100 hour shifts so that four hundred can do the work of a thousand? People in this town don't want your destructive endless growth paradigm. Jew the explanation all you want but endless growth is what you have been arguing for here. You're arguing for cancer… literally.

I'm not talking about this farm and this town, moron. I'm speaking in general terms.

You keep calling farms clutter. Sounds like you're a urbanite who hates anyone who doesn't crave living in cramped apartments and with busy streets. Stop trying to push your diseased lifestyle choices on everyone else.

Start your own thread shit for brains.

I live in the mountains you retard. If you can't deduce what I mean by clutter, even though I specifically said what I meant by it, then your reading comprehension skills are terrible and you're the intellectual equivalent of a nigger.

Why would I do that when this concerns the exact same thing? If I did that you idiots would be bitching and saying "sage!"

Another day, another evidence that the common sane people reject all form of materialism, like communism, globalist capitalism and lolberturdianism.

Yea, for illegals.

Lolberturdians, just like their kike masters, are so used to doublethink they dont even know how obvious they are.

The main reason the US needs industrial-scale agriculture to survive is because of immigration-driven population growth. You're still trapped in the infinite growth mindset.

It's like pensions

Reposting the contradicting points for better clarification.
We can talk about how we'd be better off without niggers and whatnot in the nation all we want, but what's the point? They're here, and we don't have power to remove them. We're not the fucking government. Unless you plan on doing something about it, shut the fuck up.

YOU should go back to
>>>/k/
>>>Holla Forums
>>>Holla Forums
to play with your shitskin "friends", lolberg.

How come you're replying to yourself now buddy? Maybe you should take your own advice and find a different image board to shit up.

Because I fucked up a post?
Nice IP change. This is very typical of lolberturdian autist on /k/ikecentral.
But maybe before you go back to the shitty lolberturdian shitbox, you can tell me how those points the lolberg made dont contradict each other?
Or are you going to play da lolberturdians are the majority card (which is already busted)?

You're a real special kind of guy.

You can raise free range animals on the natural land. You don't have to clear cut forests or level hills like you do for raising crops.

If you want to raise cows or chickens, you just put up a fence and provide a barn that they can get to for shelter and supplemental food.

Are you really putting forth the argument that barbed wire fences (which you see all over the place already in the country side) and 1 barn per 100 acres is clutter?

Do you have some sort of autistic fit whenever you are driving through a rural area and see any sort of man made structures?

Maybe your state is way different. Here in MN 99% of the open land you see driving down the highway is privately owned farmland. It's not like it's untouched wilderness that you have access to go camping on. I can't even fathom how many dilapidated hobby farms that are vacant that I've seen in this state.

I'd love to see the data on the potential amount of meat production we would have here in MN if every abandoned hobby farm was running and selling free range meat. And these abandoned hobby farms generally already have the barbed wire fences and barns on them, with the exception that they are usually in disarray. I assume you prefer the sight of non-collapsed barns and undestroyed barbed wire compared to the current alternative?

good for them

That's not "doublethink," moron.

The current structure will suffice for our current population size. I highly doubt it's intended to meet the needs of our assumed population size in 2050, or whenever. It's an expanding business. I'm not talking about expanding it, I'm talking about keeping it small and efficient. Family farms are large and inefficient; hence why I don't want them. They'll just destroy the countryside and take over the land to do what currently a small amount of corporate farms accomplish.

That's not contradictory in the least.

I know they were. Their kids went to school with me, and half of them spent Mondays and Wednesdays in ESL

It's clearly not efficient if the system requires importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners to grow and slaughter livestock to survive.

Why is subsidising a handful of monstrously-large corporate farms via under-paid labour more efficient than family farms?

You are right. From a lolberturdian standpoint, niggers and spics are ok and staytism os bad.
Thats why I recommend you to go to
>>>Holla Forums
Where you can maximize materialism with completely disregard for all other factors.

Lolberturdianism, folks. Gaze deep and hard.

The hiring of foreign workers, as opposed to Americans, is not a testament to their inefficiency, that's a testament to corporate greed and crony capitalism. Something I hope Trump fixes. As for the comparison, I would challenge you to find me "family farms" which are on par with corporate farms in regards to their output, which take up no more land mass than the typical corporate farm.

What I stated is a literal fact. What power do you have to do anything about the current situation? If you weren't a lazy, complacent, whiny little bitch you could possibly attain some political power, but you won't. In your little Socialist utopia though, none of us would even have the option of attaining power. In your little utopia this website wouldn't be allowed to exist.

Corporations are good. The problem is when you allow corporations to influence politics. Corporations are responsible for your standard of living, moron. If not for corporations you wouldn't have any of the products you're using right now. Everything, down the simple home repairs (if you could afford a home without corporations providing the materials as cheaply as they do), would either not exist, or be ten fold more expensive without corporations. You're whining about capitalism, when we're not living in a capitalist system. You're an idiot. Go to Holla Forums, Comrade.

Also drawing on what you assume to be the general consensus around here and then attempting to shame me for not agreeing with that consensus isn't going to work, Comrade. That tactic didn't work when I was an ignorant child, and it certainly won't work on me now.

I wonder, were you in Seattle last night "protesting"? You'd fit right in with those morons.

No, the American worker is responsible. You have a terrible case of Stockholm Syndrome. You are so whipped by large corporate power that you've come to identify with them and are even willing to defend them to the detriment of your fellow man. And that 'standard of living' you keeping harping on about is all about accumulating material goods with no regard to quality or permanence. It's obvious your shekel obsessed mind can't comprehend that quantity isn't the same thing as quality.

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The American worker working for these corporations, whether large or small. They bring those workers together to work toward a common goal and provide a product to people. All a fucking corporation is is a place of employment that specializes in the production of a product.

Are you trying to tell me that the standard of living now is not better than it was 100 years ago? Are people not living longer? Are people not living more comfortably?

You're an absolute moron. Come back when you can provide an actual argument.

Prove to me that they don't.

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Takings things out of context just like the mainstream media. Don't you learn well.

THE ONLY REASON THE OUTPUT DERIVED THROUGH INDUSTRIAL FARMING IS NECESSARY IS BECAUSE OF MASSIVE POPULATION GROWTH

Also keeping in mind that the "efficiency" created by corporate farms comes with significant environmental damage

ucsusa.org/our-work/food-agriculture/our-failing-food-system/industrial-agriculture#.VyfJ07651OQ

It also touches on the creation of pesticide-resistant "superweeds" and overusage of antibiotics in factory-farmed animals

"There MUST be infinite growth because… I dont care you NAZI COMMIE!"
Top lel. Lolberturdians, folks.

Pic unrelated, but whatever. Going to sleep.

We don't produce for the future, we produce for the current population and increase infrastructure as the population grows. As the population grows, more farms will be built. I'm merely talking about what exists now. Even if we halted all immigration now and became a mostly isolationist nation, we'd still require the same amount of farms to feed our existing population.

I also know that farms are bad for the environment, whether crop or animal. But to me having that confined to a small space is better than removing plants and trees from the environment to expand farms that are less efficient. There is an existing demand for meat in a certain quantity per year. The way I see it, we either pay much more and are able to consume far less. We stick with the current model and try to reform it a bit and make our quality of food better, as well as make the farms better for the environment. Or we destroy our landscape by placing smaller, less efficient farms all over the nation to match the current output.

I'd prefer to work within the confines of the current system and try to find ways to make it better. It takes up less room and has a massive output. It's a good starting point.

Okay you're just retarded so I'm not even going to bother talking to you anymore.

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Actually a corporation is an artificial legal entity created out of thin air by a government. Ever heard of a a sole proprietorship? A partnership? Stop trying to equate ADM with Bob the farmer. Even if Bob, due to regulatory capture by the big guys, is forced to incorporate, it's still Bob and not ADM.

You just can't see a world in which people are able to handle their affairs without the approval of large corporate powers. Classic Stockholm Syndrome. It's as if you think the corporation is the building block of life and we'd all perish without them. What a sad world you have in your head. Can you even go to the bathroom without asking for permission from one of your corporate deities? Your lust for maximizing consumption in your materialistic religion has poisoned you so thoroughly that you're barely even human anymore. Perhaps you actually are a corporation that has someone gained sentience. You certainly have displayed your endless lust for having humans subjugated to the power of these completely artificial creations.

Probably a Jew scared of people becoming more self reliant. Rent seekers, which is what this bozos primarily is, can't stand the thought of them not being able to take a cut of everything anyone creates.

Its funny how that is supposed to presented as bad but many in this generation would consider that a impossible dream

It employs people to produce a product in a manner and at a rate that otherwise would not occur because lone individuals do not have the capacity nor funding to compete.

Tell me, if corporations didn't exist to feed our economy, what would our hundreds of millions of citizens do? What, would we all be carpenters and electricians, and maybe some of us would own small businesses with products that cost ten fold more than they do now because they're not being mass produced anywhere? You're twisting what I'm saying to conform it to this inane pre-conceived notion you probably formulated years ago. Stop being a fucking retard. If you can't see how corporations are beneficial, then you're clearly mentally slow. Go live in Venezuela, moron. Sounds like it'd be heaven for you.

You really are fucking retarded. You're a little victimhood rat. Woe is me, my life sucks because Jews be holdin' me back! Blame the Jew and the corporations and everyone else except yourself. You a fucking nigger.

Guaranteed you've never built anything with your own two hand sin your entire life.

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Said the fucking rent seeker.

tbh that was made 6 years ago.

Well, I was right about you being a nigger. Your IQ must border the low 80s. Filtered. I can't be bothered to read shit posted by people that are literally retarded.

Maybe you would have gotten better responses by not being a kike, kike. You really think that people dont see how your "arguments" are just Chomsky tier bullshit?
The world doesnt need THIS much human waste walking around, like you. And it certainly doesnt need infinite human growth.
You think that if you make some statements like how kikes, spics and niggers are impossible to remove, people will magically accept your proposals.
You are the subhuman retard here.
Also
Literally cant be more obvious.
Eat shit. And this is the last post that I will invest some semi resemblance of effort for you.

I checked the description it was actually uploaded 6 years ago but made in 1998 I guess people were still riding the "le 90s" wave then so they couldn't fathom are current dystopia.

Exact same story in my town. Shit smell for miles. Hire nothing but illegals.

Also same.

Insult to injury, I can't buy chicken around here that doesn't smell and taste like piss.

do yourself a favor and just filter everyone. or stop posting altogether, whichever.

I've looked at your posts here
and you're either trying real hard at baiting, or your just fucking miserable and your life sucks, and you want everyone else to be miserable too. There are a few things in this thread by you that seem to be calm, rational discussion or simple disagreeance, but most is all totally belligerent sneering and snide remarks.

If you get triggered this hard by people saying things you don't like, and this causes you to sperg out and start calling people stupid and "comrade" or whatever else, you might want to reconsider where you spend time. plebbit sounds perfect for you.

oh and did i mention, filtered?

This poster is a corporate farm shill, and I've never called anyone a shill in my years of Holla Forums. He was in a thread a couple weeks ago using the exact same wording to push this.

Corporate farms are undesirable. They pump out abysmally low quality 'meat' while poisoning the area around them, and obviously they're highly inhumane to the animals if you care about such things. The real danger, however, is that you don't know what's in it. You don't know what chemicals or hormones have been used, and you don't know what diseases the animal may have had.

This poster is actually trying to argue that trusting a large (((corporation))) with your food makes more sense than local, family-scale agriculture.

As was stated elsewhere in this thread, if meat consumption is brought back to pre-industrial revolution levels, there will be plenty. You just won't be able to eat meat 3 times a day, 7 days a week- and that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if it means I can trust my food and my food is coming from my community.

Why do you want to reduce your own standard of living though? If the only choices are, buy less or buy something that is bad for you I'm not strongly inclined to either side but I definitely don't want to spend more money then I already am.

That's not a counter-argument to anything I've said. Also I'm not "triggered." I'm replying to people in the manner they reply to me. If you want to talk like a nigger and use caps lock and shit, while spouting redundant, irrelevant nonsense, I'll talk to you like a nigger. If someone on Holla Forums speaks like a rational adult, I address them as a rational adult. No one here deserves to be spoken to with respect. Most of Holla Forums speak like they're mentally handicapped. To those that don't, I'll show them the courtesy of a little respect and I'll address them properly.

Although if you're a Leftie (like Comrade Socialist above) I'll probably just talk shit to you either way.

You're delusional, because I wasn't. Link the thread and show that someone spoke the exact same words as me.

I've already said why I support it. So dispute what I've said.

This goes with any farm, large or small. Depends on how lax the regulations are, or how lax the government, whether local or Federal, will enforce them.

Literally never argued that once. I'm arguing that a "family farm" (which very possibly would put out equally low quality food, given they're subject to the exact same law) can not have the same output for the same price as a large corporate farm unless they're spread all over the countryside, destroying the habitat by the removal of it.

Yet Holla Forums makes threads the second there's a threat to their meat consumption, claiming "the Jews want us weak and effeminate so they can more easily control us!" Or some stupid shit along those lines. You people whine either way, so why should anyone give a shit?

I LOVE MY STATE
People need to follow the example we in the Plains set, and America will truly be great again. No more of this california living or new york minutes, just old fashioned hard work and pride in one's home.

Even in Germany/EU, organic and natural products dont cost much more, if any. The low price argument the kike lover is making is pure unfounded bullshit.
Source: just went down the weekly market today.
Supermarket meat and fish are unbearable at this point for me.

Well, you don't HAVE to lower your standard of living. If, say, something happened, and we were no longer responsible for feeding the shitskins, you could eat organic meat all day.

Again, this subhuman is lying straight to your face, hoping to get away with it.
It is literally telling you that corporate farmed animals suffer just as much/less than natural, small scale domestic animals.

You, users, decide for yourself if any word coming out from a mouth of this subhuman is worth your time. Literally all of its "arguments" are based on false premises ( "We NEED to support infinite growth") and lies-

I need to emphasize another part of this lies filled post.
Again, decide for yourself. Most people here have tried both supermarket meat and farmers' products.

Your business practices have to change.

Not the demographics of the nation.

Normal food costs more in EU then it does in the US and I already think it costs to much in the US
Being poor makes you a kike, that's a new one.

That would be fine by me. I was just saying if the only choices were, "eat less or eat low quality" I wouldn't really for passion for either choice.

I have never been to the other side of the pond, so I cant comment.

If a student living on 400€ a month (include rent) is rich, I have something to tell you.

is he bringing up that family farm products are more expensive? i can't see his posts

i think that heavily depends on where you live. fresh meats and veggies from local farmers markets here are waaaay cheaper than supermarkets. with supermarkets you have the price "driven down", i suppose, by sheer volume of production, but the costs saved by that are hiked back up by shipping, storage, general logistics of where the meat is getting sent, and also massive greed of supermarkets. I've seen some places around here sell okay steak (just okay, not bad, not great) for outrageous prices like 16 bucks a pound. I get bell peppers at that place for 1.70 EACH. At the farmer's market, I'll get a pound of those for like 99 cents. Chicken there also costs 99 cents a pound, rather than 2.80 or whatever at the grocery store.

I could understand family farm prices being more expensive in an area not close to farms, but areas around farms themselves, even if they're urban, aren't going to see any colossal difference in price hikes, if any. Keep in mind the grocery chains are super jewy and will do whatever possible to reap the most money possible on all products. It doesn't matter if they got their produce for 11 cents a pound, they'd still have higher prices because it means more profit, they don't give a shit about saving the consumer any money (unless it means more customers, which means more profit, which is why every place has weekly sales).

Family farms would be a healthier solution (and more humane) to our food production needs. I think an added bonus would also be an increase in the number of non-degenerate, wonderful farm girl waifus that would legit be great girlfriend material. The bitches that grow up in the cities are terrible for a list of reasons.

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Globalist (read: kikes and their shabbos goys) lies. There's more than enough room to feed the nation and especially so if we stop sending resources and food aid in order to keep niggers in Africa from dying off en masse.

Did you filter it? It has been making that arguments for the entire thread. While true, that is the actual thing that is blown out of proportion.

Damn, steaks and vegetables dont cost even half of that over here, even at the farmers' market. Ironically, the US have the more expensive groceries despises what the kike says.

This is probably why farms' products are so accessible over here. Farming is heavily subsidized (as they should be), and Europe is tiny.

Makes me wonder if they also sell those "Bio" products there in the US. These are corporate products market up as "organic" and sell for much more than anything you can find short of a hipster store. I used to work in a sausage factory one summer, and those "Bio" deli meats are stored in the same room and cut from the same slicers as everything else. Maybe it was mixed differently but I dont know. Still would rather eat whole chunk rather than corporate shit.

Don't forget that the factory also starts importing thousands of Somalians to work in said factory because all the guys working in the factory just didn't want their job anyways.

Thank God people are waking up to the bullshit birdshit.

This, it's fucking disgusting. If we put more money into quality over quantity we might have the ability to provide our citizens the vitamins and minerals they need instead of leaving them with multiple deficiencies the way our produce does now.

I'm a Nationalist, actually. Also I want to stop all aid, of all kinds, to every nation. Show me statistics proving this (in regards to meat).

Yeah sure, Nationalist Lolberturdianism. Shalom.

I have Nationalist, Conservative, and Libertarian views. I'm not fully one or the other, but I'm certainly not a Socialist like you.

Ah, the standard Jew trick of "No guys, I'm one of you, honestly. Now, just do all these Jew things".

No one believes you after all your globalist kike lies most of which are obvious pasta that has been seen dozens of times before. You grew up believing that corporations are God. You turned them into your religion because it gets you money and as a result you can't conceive of anyone not believing in the same God of conspicuous consumption that you do.

Call yourself whatever you want, even a nationalist if you wish, but no one is going to buy that shit.

bullshit. the topsoil is eroding, and we have to essentially pump fossil fuels into the ground in order to replenish the nutrients.

Sure thing. Shalom.

How about this, both Mosanto and kike farms have to go.

You're a fucking retard. Provide a link to even one comment I posted that was posted anywhere else on the internet. Just one. Also I'm not likening myself to you retards. I'm not a "National Socialist." Or in other words, a Socialist. Nationalism can be applied to most political ideologies. Doesn't change the fact that Socialism will always be Socialism. You belong in Holla Forums.

Man, drop the facade WAYYYYY too soon.

Also, nice Holla Forums shaming. I feel like 2010.

Yes, Socialism is Socialism. If you fundamentally change it, then it's no longer Socialism. If you're calling it Socialism, then clearly it has not been fundamentally changed.

Forgive me for no liking censorship and a government with too much power over my life! Oh no!

How am I "Holla Forums shaming"? Socialism doesn't belong here, that's why there's a Holla Forums. People here are always talking about this "alt-right" being full of cucks, yet we have literal hardcore Leftists on Holla Forums preaching one of the farthest Left ideologies there is.

>>>/k/
>>>Holla Forums
Thats where lolberturdianism belongs.

poal.me/mtzfjw

How does someone that wants limited government belong on Holla Forums? That makes absolutely no sense. The Left is defined by big government, while the Right is defined by small government. Socialism is big government.

This guy isn't willing to give the state total control over his life.

KIKE!

Lolberturdians cant claim majority, immediately worm out of the tough spot. It seems that they have invested more in shillcraft rather than actual growth. But then lolberturdianism has always been destined for failure.

Well, a kike should fight. The real Holocaust would be boring if they just lie down.

Neither can National Socialists, or any other ideology.

>implying Hollywood style Nazism isn't designed to fail

No, Nationalism and libertarianism can't be combined without altering one or the other so much that it no longer is the thing you started with. But keep on intentionally Godwining the thread. It's what you Jews are best at, pulling Nazis into everything including a post about chicken processing. For someone who is so in love of labels, you sure don't know shit about what any of them mean.

You do realize that the vast majority of Americans want limited government, right? It's a fundamental American value that most of us hold. That has existed since the founding of the nation, and is a concept inherited by the Libertarian movement. It didn't create it. Europeans have always had big government, so if you're a European I can understand you wanting it. It's what you're used to. We however take offence to every restriction and every limitation placed on us by the government. Aside from the Lefties of course…

Nationalism is simply holding your nation before others and doing what's best for it. What I like about Libertarianism is the belief in limited government. What I like about Conservatism is adherence to traditional values. I don't see how these things don't meld together.

Also I didn't pull Nazis into anything, you dunce. The idiot above that keeps posting the Nazi images brought them into it. I literally have not mentioned them once. You're just another perpetually offended faggot on the internet…

The polls dont be real, right? Lolberturdians, reality denialism.

You do realize this is an international website, right?

You do realize that this entire time I've been speaking about the US, right? This thread is about the US.

Why can't we have a state that protects liberty with policies that ensure the country maintain its identity (eugenics and immigration). There is a comfortable middle ground between anarchy and fascism.

It's not even complicated, you edgy purist.

i know that i'm not helping. but i figured i'd try to complete the picture for people.

the locals are right to refuse the plant. but it has little to do with the smell (which will be hell), the waste (which will be hell), the migrants (which will be hell), nor the infrastructure (which will be hell). all these forms of hell are nothing, compared to the loss of future.

the loss of future comes from the selective tax-release (true profits), which is paid for by usury to the town, the state, and the nation at large (socialized losses, i.e wealth transfer). in other words, the entire idea of efficiency or production is an accounting trick. yes, you get more chicken wings. but because you shunted all the work that would otherwise go into everything else the business needs into chicken wings – not because you actually did more total net work. and yes, you get more dollars (well, some do), but that's because you shunted all dollars that would otherwise go into everything else the business needs into chicken wing account owners and their merchant liquidity providers/backers.

don't get me wrong, hell is hell. but the hell the people can see immediately is nothing – nothing – compared to the loss of their sons. which is what has, is, and will always happen to people who accept such defeatist crony capitalism.

3/4 of the world population has to go, and I say none of that 3/4 should be white

You said libertarians cannot claim majority. Nobody has a majority in that poll.

I'm not even a libertarian. Nationalist (2nd place on your precious poll).

It's so obnoxious how determined National Socialists are to make this place a hugbox.

Bro fascism is a meme. Supposed to be an oppressive totalitarian state right?. Here's how to separate things sensibly:

One is a state that keeps all possible citizens in, basically as prisoners. It is active in international affairs only to the extent that it can expand this prison-state empire. Civil liberty is a phrase punishable by death when you speak it. The government outlaws the old religion to cement itself as god.

The other is a state that wants everyone who doesn't fit in to just leave. They will invade another country if their own citizens are in trouble there, but would like to leave as soon as possible, as they are more interested in the fostering of their own citizens civil liberties and health. Speech and religion are unregulated within broad limits, outright calls for murder or rebellion, and vulgar displays of indecency will be punished swiftly but humanely. Executions are rare.

One is Jew-Soviet Russia, the other is Nazi Germany. Guess which one people think of as fascism?

What's with the faggot bent over taken the kike dick who believes the eternal growth of industries and profit is the savior of mankind?

Seriously I don't understand how could someone not see how unnatural, unsustainable and sick the current model of eternal consumption and growth is still posting here, how fucking blind can you be?

Now if only they gassed the jewish oligarch i'd have absolutely 0 problems with those drunk suicidal cheeky breekies, a man can only dream.

We are not a majority as much as Hitler didnt win the elections fair and square.
Lolberturdianism is so pathetic.

National Socialists on Holla Forums, or in other words Nazi larping Hitler worshipers, are the equivalent of SJWs on a college campus. If you dare have a differing opinion they start slinging their little buzzwords at you. They also love their little victimhood card. Rather than constantly blaming white men, they blame Jews. It's kind of hilarious, but it also kind of ruins Holla Forums a bit.

Knowing what words mean might help here.

Majority - a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total

Hilarious. Keep doing this though.

Well most of the time this is accurate. It doesn't mean the only possible solution is Nazism.

There really is something off about you. It feels like talking with a bot.

Do I need to define greentexting for you? I never implied that.

the latest shill tactic being pushed is uncertainty and doubt. stands out like a sore thumb. but… don't you remember the 90s? are you all new hands fresh out of jewschool?

protip: you need fear for FUD to work. without it, you're just shock an annoy. oddly enough, not even derail. aren't you suppose to get out of the limelight or something?

Beep bop beep bop.

See this here
ALL you need to crush any low tier shill tactic.

Whats the point of inviting these business in, if you can't get more tax revenue? Anybody can bring in jobs, but we should force them to pay taxes.

Oh don't get me wrong, I know there is plenty to blame Jews for, but some of these people blame Jews when they stub their toes. It's insanity. A people ruled by bias rather than objectivity can not be trusted or respected, in my opinion. I dared dissent from their echo chamber and had kike, Jew, shill, and globalist thrown at me. I suppose it's fitting though, they are Socialists, and that is a Leftist ideology, so why wouldn't I expect shaming tactics to be used? I'd expect if I went to reddit they'd call me Nazi, racist, Islamophobic etc.

Also people can be a Nazi all they want, but at least try to relate it to the current situation. Some of these people are literally just playing the part like a kid pretends to be a zombie on Halloween. They're not authentic in the least.

Or maybe the shills are the ones turning Holla Forums into an echo chamber where ideas can not be discussed objectively; thus hindering the natural progression toward a solution to most problems.

It's just so easy to shout, "shill" isn't it? Just because I'm not a National Socialist? That poll shows that it's not even the majority view point, yet I get called a shill daily for expressive different views.

It's much easier than defending your emotional bullshit.

I'm spreading uncertainty? If you're feeling uncertain that Nazism is the solution, good. I'm trying to be practical.

I'm saging because I'm not speaking about the OP.

You don't know the definition of majority, you don't know how to greentext, and you don't know what sage is for.

Yet… somehow I'm the shill.

I live in a farm town, trust me when I say that every child of a farmer knows how to work their land and harvest, they keep it in family like Jews keep gold.

Most have had access to internet (like myself) but its slow and shitty so they keep busy in town with local friends from school who have the same kind of parents.

Lots of days when I go out to deliver the mail is kids riding around on their bikes with no thugs in sight.

all i'm saying is, you need fear, then uncertainty, then doubt, for your position to work. otherwise, you just sound like you're a bit too sensitive.

also: the townsfolk were still right.

I still haven't said that. Nazi's are impractical and I disagree with the ethics of a totalitarian ideology.

It's easier arguing with a strawman i guess. Almost as easy as presuming someone is a shill.

Get the fuck out of this echo chamber then. It is so simple. Funny how we all have heard about "Holla Forums hugbox" and "NAZIS LARP" for years now, how Holla Forums is below these fine lolberturdian intellectuals. Yet you still hang around, all of you.

Well, Fascists and National Socialists make the majority then.

There are rules for greentexting. You heard it here first, folks.
Ooops, broke the rule.

I know that either your opinion is worthless (true) or you are thinking that you are "downvoting" the thread.
BUMP

Sure. Beep bop beep bop Im a bot.

You're giving me tips on shilling.. wouldn't I already know these tactics if this was my job, you retard?

not if you were bad at it.

You are pretty bad at it, you and the other kike lover.

This is true and something I try to argue against. I'm starting to think I'm talking to one already based on the sheer emptiness of the posts.

But I guess I'm kinda shitposting too. Hence the sage.

Lies dont merit actual posts.
Retardation? Sure, but when we have little gems like this here
you give yourself out as a retard/shill. All the same.
Oh look, this one too

Family farms are as bad as corporate farm. No example to disprove. Of course, theoretically on a chan, you dont have to, but I tell you this, you and the lolberturdian retard, somethings are facts of life, and blatantly and shamelessly "arguing" like kike Chomsky just piss people off.

And you're terrible at spotting shills.

The real shill tactic is to devolve a conversation into meaninglessness. I was trying to discuss on ideologies and ethics. The kind of conversation we used to have around here.

Look where you've taken the thread. Nothing but accusations and shitposts. I don't think you're actually shills but you may as well be.

I'm here because, in spite of you morons cluttering up some threads, there are others that provide decent discussion, and others that can be informative. You're not the be-all, end-all. You may think you are because you people bitch and moan incessantly, but you're not. When you're around, just like on a college campus when the women's studies students show up, it turns into an echo chamber where, if someone expresses a differing opinion all we hear (or in this case see) is one buzzword after another.

please stop talking about you then.

please?

i did say please.

i mean, again, it just seems like you're bad at posting then, forget shilling. i'll drop the claim, if it soothes your irk. but please, stop talking about yourself. for the love of natsoc, just stick to your claims already.

I pray every day that lolberturdians are actually capable of following through with their words. But they cant, and therefore people pick the strong horse.
See you whining like a bitch tomorrow, again.

SJW tier response is for utter retardation, like some of what you posted.
And my favorite gem

You know the worst part? You are belligerent while you are wrong. Thats why the majority in the thread just shit on you. Some leftypol tard came here, asked for a thread respectfully, and he had a real discussion. You came here and shit on a thread, come out to the defense of kike globalist corps and spew what I just greentexted. while being an aggressive retard.
But you know what?
See you again.
Retards like you will always hang around here, demeaning Holla Forums while never leave. Worse than a trailer park whore.

Read the thread before jumping into an argument you retarded faggot. The other guy and you made it about me.

Still with the libertarian accusation. This is going nowhere.

Good job Nebraska. I was robbed of my childhood. You don't have to be.

I literally never said any of that. I even spent time directly disputing the growth claim, and I won't bother doing it again. Enough with the Leftie argumentative tactics. I'm not wasting time with straw man arguments. By all means though, it's all in one thread. Go grab some quotes… If you can.

déjà vu. brought back some eerie memories.

father was a fighter, at least in his youth. strange beta-clueless to the world, but a fighter on the ground. moved us from state to state, each time the uglies forced him out from what business he built. never learned, sadly…

but i digress. i'd be in a town school, and i remember that exact thing: more art classes out of nowhere, local television stations hosting 'art competitions', and selecting the children who drew earth-mother-gaia shit and holding hands. especially the holding hands. this one kid made an entire mock replica of space shuttle out of clay at 6yo (another child brainwash meme, but hey, kids), and he lost to the one that drew – in crayons, at 8yo no less – a series of trees with kid stick figures holding hands.

all i remember outside of that was the accidents stalling the buses kept going up.

Damn.

I knew a girl who spent the better part of a year doing the most amazing pencil landscape of like a forest with nymphs and elves and shit. She was kind of Tim Burton-ey but that was just starting to get popular back then. Anyways it was amazing and everyone wanted to buy her shit. She was a real pro at 16, like she could rival some of the best examples of white art I've seen posted here.

Anyways she lost to some spic who did a shitty picaso impersonation in terrible ill-defined pastel and drew some brown mother earth holding a globe with America and mexico having no border.

Hitler wanted to co-opted socialism, really NatSoc is socialism in name only
Really he's closer to a Nationalist Democrat than a Marxist Socialist

So, you live "Life in a Northern Town", then? Must be idyllic. I'll admit, that from the way it sounds, I'm feeling pretty envious.

I'm not gonna ask where, but I will ask you to stay there, and try to keep things alive. Deurbanisation soon, hopefully.

Looks pretty ok to me. Forcibly disallow corporations from offshoring, and wages stay high internally, most people making enough money to have to pay taxes and not needing welfare.

A fairly prosperous and debt free state and society.

They want to keep their classic way of life, and that is good for them.

The GDP Cult doesn't understand quality of life in terms of anything other than money. Sad that so many have followed their false God but towns like this one give hope that people are starting to wake up to the way the rent seekers have been exploiting them.

Just say no.

Just eat less, amerifat.

read Fast Food Nation, plants like this are fucked and destroy communities, they are right to deny them

on the money

b-but what about muh profits

We have plenty of room. We need to stop being wasteful with the food we have, stop giving it away to apefrica and everyone else, stop letting in illegals and chinks to take up all the housing and cause white flight from cities (which increases development needs, takes up land, converts farm and orchards to housing), and to stop growing so much fucking corn.

Yes, an acre of vegetables and fruit takes more than a factory farmed calorie-equivalent of corn. But I'd say it's worth it. Most of it we just donate to apefrica anyway.

Boyo have you seen the US?

I'd say tear down the developments and suburbs, move those cunts to the city, farm the land. Kick out all the illegals and it's that many fewer mouths to feed.

Gulf of Mexico dead spot. Farm runoff from these massive farms in the midwest (again, much of which is going to apefrica or cows) drains down the mississippi, goes into the gulf, causes an algae bloom, algae breath up all the oxygen in the water, everything else dies off, algae die off, dead spot. It's 7000 square miles. Of ocean with nothing in it at all. Do you understand how fucking creepy that is? 80 miles in any direction, there is not a single fish or dolphin or anything else.

How we farm also causes soil depletion, necessitating oil-derived artificial fertilizer. Making us dependent on oil. Meaning the second it runs out or gets too expensive, we're all going to starve to death. Remember about two years ago when oil was $5/gallon and suddenly all the food was rapidly increasing in price because of "oil prices"? Yeah. They didn't mean transport costs. (Also this is fucking stupid because we have all the fertilizer we could ever need…take the vegetable scraps and the rotten food and the leftovers and waste, the chicken and cow shit, and some argue even the human faeces, and compost it. Free fertilizer for life, no oil required, with shit we're throwing away.) Stripping all the nutrients from the topsoil also increases erosion and risks another dustbowl (that had slightly different causes but two roads to rome.)

factory farms are destroying the country and making us dependent on the goodwill of the saudis. And a huge chunk of that food is donations to apefrica. How mad are you?

Shit, with the most advanced argiculture in the world, one would though the US doesnt do stupid shit like it.
Then you remember it is a liberal kike capitalist state with lolberturdian supporters.

The end of the Cold War took away the check on runaway capitalism that the Soviet Union provided by using it as propaganda against us in their effort to recruit other countries into communism. With no one to point a finger at corporate excesses, corporate power has been allowed to expand with almost no limitation. As much as I hated the Soviets, they did provide a useful service in keeping us honest about the excesses of our economic system.

Now we're importing Muslims from Somalia who demand five work breaks a shift and a dedicated space for them to pray to Allah.