Alan Moore tries making an anti-hero you're supposed to loathe and a strawman for his hatred of right-wingers

He's beyond the spectrum, but I would classify him as moderate right-winger.

You're being willfully ignorant.

Poster is obviously degenerate, possible homosexual, need to investigate further.

Hrrm….

There's a character called Mr. A by Steve Ditko. Moore created him as something of an analog to that character. I remember an interview where Moore described Mr. A as a super nutty right winger and created Rorschach as something of a toned down version. Then, when he showed Rorschach to Steve Ditko, Ditko remarked something like, "Oh, I get it, this character is kinda like Mr. A, only crazy."

There's a joke in there somewhere; i'm not sure if I told it right.

Wasn't one of the guys in the original book Latino or something? Like he was from Argentina I think.

t. semi-aspiring comic writer who knows way more about the industry than any man ought to.

So I take it Moore and Ditko didn't get along that well.

Not sure. I think they respected one another as creators; if I recall recorrectly ditko's something of an eccentric hermit type so they were probably associates or casual friends, something like that.

In his own words:

I was wrong, they didn't have the conversation, Moore heard it third hand. Anyway, the point holds.

only racists like Rorschach

Low energy bantz. You don't even deserve a (you).

comedian was a good character too, though Rorschach is one of my favorite

I don't get the sense that you were supposed to outright dislike Rorschach. Just to recognise him as a flawed individual, like all of the characters in Watchmen.

After all the weebshit that has been posted lately I kinda don't mind capeshit as much.

so movie>comics or other way around?

The comic is better. The movie was a solid effort though. I don't really get why some people despise it to the extent that they do.

Oh well.

They never learn.

Jesus Christ, stop implying that nazis are right-wingers…

Judge Dredd is a good example too.

SJW? What the fuck

Extremely concerned about the state of society - Social
Wants to correct the perceived wrongs in the world - Justice
Is willing to murder and see the world burn to achieve his goals - Warrior

Just for your interest, note how fascists generally tend to be massive fucking SJWs? Or would you say that those commonly known as are actually fascists? This is due to the nature of human experience being extremely subjective. We are stuck in our on limited perspective, yet some people think they can or should apply their logic for everybody. For moral nihilists this is okay. And in a cynical way they are right. However, if they are willing to push their own will forth at expense of others, then what are they but compareable to common thieves and thugs?

ayo kill urself my man

I know you don't have to be entirely for or entirely against an ideology, but a lot of his work seems anti-right; he's even explained that, outside of being anti-authoritarian piece tied to his anarchist leanings, V For Vendetta was an anti-Thatcher commentary.

Even calling him a moderate seems a bit of a stretch.

Left=Equality/Right=Hierarchy.

Hitlerian National Socialism is a fundamentally hierarchical ideology, therefore it is right-wing.

Depends on how you define the spectrum. To imply that he's a leftist would mean that right-wing means statism, keeping the old rule in power while left-wing means social revisionism, breaking down the old castes But does that mean that Trump is a leftist as well?

If you consider right to be the libertarian kind, and leftism being the socialist authoritarianism kind, then he's way more in the left than right.

Yet it became popular by appealing to the common plebeians, telling them that they will fare better if they let big government daddy fuck them in the ass. Their society was just as stagnant with statism as the Soviets'. The differences lie merely in rethoric.

Willingness is a thing, but do you think the tumblr landwhales, who are usually associated with this abbreviation could murder anyone? I believe they are willing, but none of them do it.

And communists aren't?

I think it's mostly because of the changed ending.
Every time I see someone sperg about the movie they always rant about the ending.

In the book the mobile infantry were from pretty much everywhere on the planet and the protagonist was half Argentinian half Filipino.
Not that Verhoven would know that since he never read it and most of the movie came from a screenplay completely unrelated to Starship Troopers called Bug Hunt.

This.
Everyone who isn't entirely apathetic about the world and actually has things they believe in is pretty much no different from goony-beardman numales.

wew

I think it's because it's capitalizing on a very popular work and copying it right down to recreating shots from the source material, yet somehow completely missing the point of the source material. The Wachowskis managed to change stuff about the surveillance state condition of Britain into a shallow "Bush did 9/11" allegory, and Snyder copied Watchmen almost exactly yet managed to fuck it up somehow. If it's too faithful then it didn't need to be made, but if it's not faithful enough then it's missing the point all of which is compounded by the fact that capeshit has very high potential to cause autism rage in the fandom.

Because the changed ending didn't even make sense.
Despite a means for unlimited free energy coming from Ozy, the world is still a shithole looking for an excuse for WWIII, so he fucks up New York with an alien creature and makes them think aliens have declared war on humanity. With Dr Manhattan disillusioned and leaving, humanity has no easy means of protection, so they are forced to set aside their differences and end the Cold War to fight off a greater threat.
Ozy turns his energy machine into a bomb (before it's even finished) entirely for the lulz, and since the explosion is blue they assume Dr Manhattan attacked New York; this is despite Manhattan having zero motive for doing so, considering humans entirely beneath him, and having the ability to wipe out the entire world if he wanted. The world then collectively declares war on Dr Manhattan even though he's proven to be nigh-invulnerable and has disappeared anyway. It's so dumb you can tell exactly when the writing stops being Moore's and starts being Snyder's.

Active commies generally tend to be fascists as well.

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Specter

They can't be fascist since communism and fascism are mutually exclusive political, economic, and social philosophies.

They can bother be authoritarian or totalitarian if that is what you intended to say.

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She can axel my rod any time.

Which is fucking hilarious, since Rorschach is like the perfect deontologist.

Only faggots think calling someone racist means anything any more.

There's got to be a term for this. Marvel has been doing this a lot lately. They try to strawman so hard that they accidentally make a good argument for their opponent's position.

Why?

I don't remember getting any particularly right-wing or even left-wing vibes from Rorschach. Perhaps you're projecting you're own ideology onto him because you forgot to take your meds one day?

Watchmen was never appealing to me, It felt like the characters are being edgy for the sake of being edgy itself and without any substance. It kinda have that V for vendetta vibe, I cringe everytime they tried to make a scene emotional but felt completely forced.

Now that's some quality tv-kino right there, politics aside the characters are genuine and felt believable even with the ridiculous inter-dimensional travel plot. Complex story yes, but it's all connected in the end and actually makes logical sense.

He's actually a communist when you think about it. He sees the outcome of capitalist society as a filthy cesspool that needs to be burned away in the name of the Greater Good.

I suppose his disgust for the current order can be somewhat considered lefty. I don't remember him advocating for a stateless, classless, moneyless society or even workplace democracy, however.

All of Watchmen's characters are fairly direct clones of Charlton Comics characters. Moore's original plan was to use those characters, but that would give continuity issues.

Rorschach is based on The Question, who is a toned-down version of Mr. A (both are by Ditko). Rorschach is not a toned-down version of either, he's meant as a logical extension of them. Moore does think Mr. A's objectivism is nutty, but Rorschach was meant to be even worse.

No. This is more accurate.

Rorschach is violent and mentally ill. He doesn't desire true justice and fairness, he desires revenge. Most all of his exploits are taking up revenge because he cares too much. He's the kind of dumbass that kills a guy because he beats his wife or says nigger too many times. He's a social warrior that doesn't care about a person's standing and if anyone does something he views as remotely "wrong" he retaliates with egregious force. The way he over reacts over minor bullshit is exactly what SJWs constantly put in their own medium as their ideal. The people who call him morally correct are retarded and think that them sympathizing with him and understanding where he comes from justifies his actions and puts him in the "right" when in reality he's just a paranoid crackpot killing people for doing things he doesn't like.

This is like the biggest problem Alan Moore's books face. People constantly misunderstanding his characters and constantly throwing them in a white and black world instead of the different shades of grey world he builds where each character is the same amounts of right, but the only thing that is different is the different amounts of insane they are.

Good lord. Do any of you actually know what liberal means aside from "People who I don't like"? Judge Dredd's society is closer to communism than anything on the right wing. His society is entirely government controlled, with all the branches of the government being headed by what is essentially military police. There is no freedom, no states, copious laws, and ridiculous amounts on censorship and propaganda in the society. Just because it satirizes parts of western political opinions held by some shitty right wing politicians doesn't mean it's supposed to be an outright insult to the entirety of the right wing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

Same reason only faggots think calling someone autistic means anything anymore.
It's overused to the point where even moderates are sick and tired of hearing it constantly and just sort of tune it out when some dipshit starts ranting about it.

Too bad what you just described isn't communism at all.

That's an authoritarian government, which can be mixed with any ideology.

Actually it would be totalitarian, but close enough for government work.

Anocratic Totalitarianism if I remember correctly

Extremely autistic shitposting on an anonymous Tibetan watercolor painting board - Social
Wants to Correct The Record on Rorschach - Justice
Is willing to make self look like a fool and continue arguing his point, however incoherent - Warrior

See, I can do it too.

There are no right wing characters in comics, and if there are, they will be rebooted as left wing.

Right Wing people want leftists to see their flaws, but never wanna see their flaws as well.

How about this, being a warrior for social justice is not a bad thing, liberal SJWs fight for trannies and faggots. That's the Social Justice they seek. Right Leaning Social Justice Warriors fight for lower and middle class whites. Do you like trannies and minorities? Then lefty SJWs might be your group. Do you like white people? Then right leaning SJWs are your type. And so on and on. Every fight is afight for social justice and there's a group for everyone.

Who cares. Dredd is a strong and masculine patriarch who's sole object is to enforce the law and extract justice. The law being the ancient, pre-marx ones.

The Punisher comes to mind. Back in the day, if offed someone who was a genuine problem be it a low-life or a chronic wife abuser or any degenerate beyond redemption, the town would recognize that as a favor to them.

As time went on, because of (((human rights))) and such, it became something that the police simply wouldn't look into, and today it's something that will probably incite a riot by the very chimp gangs causing the crime.

I think the idea of having criminals in the modern age actually face retribution for their deeds and actions again appeals to a lot of people. Liberals don't like it of course because they aren't people

i'm supposed to hate the one competent character? why?

you mean Hayter

/thinking/

You're right, but all I was really thinking when watching it was "could be a lot worse". I'm not sure what the people who flew off the handlebars over Zach Snyder "ruining Watchmen" were expecting.

The right is concerned with actual justice (punishing criminals), while the left are concerned with their batshit insane upside down idea of justice, which essentially comes down to punishing anyone with a percieved higher standing in society than them.

It's not even that. It's about punishing groups they feel are more successful than others.

(Except when it's about Jews.)

do not bother educating Holla Forumstards. waste of energy

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Filtered. Get a fucking clue you're on 8ch, filthy Holla Forums.

Well that is still a type of justice, for them at least. A twisted kind of justice.

Didn't Dredd recently jail Farage?

its not a big deal if someone wants to identify as a differnt pronoun. transexuals have the same rights to identify as they wish and we should respecr what they wish to be called.

It helps no one to entertain the delusions of the mentally unwell. These people need help and correction, not acceptance.

I think both endings are pretty weak since Ozy wasn't going to be able to keep up the alien thing forever. I think I would have preferred the movie's ending over the comic's if Ozy convinced Manhattan to actively participate in the plan after he detonated the generators and make a public announcement about his plan to destroy humanity. Then Ozy (and the other Watchmen excluding Rorschach) would pretend to find a way to teleport Manhattan into the future or something and he'd pretend to disappear while he fucks off to some other part of the universe. The world would then unite in preparation for his return and the cold war would end.

nothing can be done now. you dont have to be around them and pretend like you like them. but we must accept them as they are. common decency dicates it that.

But you said it right there, it's about who they feel is more successful and this is why the 6 gorillion thing gets pushed so much. (((They))) have made themselves into a marginalized group just like the rest.

What's to stop every single person on this earth from creating their own unique pronoun that I have to memorize? Pronouns should at most be male/female/neutral (neutral for ambiguity) and at least just be neutral. If they really want to fight the gender binary then destroy it, don't expand on it. If gender doesn't refer to sex then it has no value whatsoever. You can't just arbitrarily categorize how masculine/feminine people are no matter how many damn categories you make because it's an entirely continuous spectrum.

That's exactly what that other guy was saying. You need to accept them as the mentally ill pieces of shit they are, and try to get them some help.

The thing is, society will never truly accept them. At least not to the degree that they desire. While they may be polite about it to their faces, the vast majority of people are just not ever going to view them as real men or women, or want to have sex with or form relationships with them. This has to be made clear to them before they go ahead with unnecessary surgeries that they may have dishonestly been lead to believe will solve all of their problems.

I would go as far as to say if you claim to support trans people, but aren't personally willing to have sex with them, you are only giving them false hope and should be ashamed.

I wonder if that'll start to change though. Trap porn (2D) has become way more popular over the last couple years and I think the whole tranny thing is a big factor in that. If people can manage to get their peepees hard to my little pony then I wouldn't be surprised if trannies actually start to get laid as often as regular folk. A person 20 years ago wouldn't be able to comprehend the idea of furries and some people today still can't, yet here they are.

Wouldn't that only last so long though? Humanity would be back to fighting each other eventually. Its the problem with Code Geass' ending where Lelouch pretends to be a tyrant and gets Suzaku dressed as Zero. So people can hate him and put aside their differences to work together. The problem is some tyrant will show up in the future anyway because its human nature.

I'm not sure thats communist though. The nazis hated degeneracy and they weren't communist. Hell religious right hate degeneracy and they aren't communist.

Don't let this echo chamber of social outcasts and trolls cloud your judgement. Most people still think whacking off to hentai is weird.

USAgent is probably right wing.

Sure there are. They're all villains.

Tons of villains are leftists though, or nihilists. What type of ideology is that in which all you really care about is yourself, puts you as the head of power, and is on "Me>Everyone else" principles?

there is no proof its a mental illness. its a hormonal problem most likely i do not really care.

Isn't he fucking dead? And something tells me Marvel would cuck him if they brough him back. Probably make him say Trump's "not muh president" or some shit.

He was in the Sam Wilson Captain America comic recently. Some politicians got him to talk to Sam Wilson on behalf of them or something.

Honestly I thought most of them were crooks with no ideology and just wanted to make a quick buck.

At the very least it's a potentially harmful misunderstanding that should be corrected.

Sure, when you define and redifing the definition of mental illness you can pass any bullshit off. I am surprised with kike scatological nature they haven't tried to pass anyone who isn't coprophagic off as mentally ill.

sprak for yourself. i would gladly fuck a girl that was once a boy.

so wat. i have no problem calling someone watever they want to be called. it takes little effort

Fine. You have earned the right to be a trans-activist.

you are just paranoid.

i have a friend thats trans and he/she is the nicest person and also a christian. they are normal

Is he as much a woman as any other woman, and would you fuck him?

Most of them are like that though, they say a lot of bullshit to delude themselves into thinking they're right, but really the end goal is to be the one in charge, who has all the power and can do as they please. Most villains in comics are like that. When someone offers to take up their mantle they sperg out because it's not them who are in charge. And the point of a villain, is that no matter how much good they say they wanna do, they don't want to make big sacrifices that actually affect them. A villain might sometimes sacrifice something they hold dear, or their own health and body, but only because they believe it will all be worth it in the end when they have all the power. The ultimate test to a villain's ideology, is if they are willing to give up the cause to someone else before they get to do it themselves. Like when a hero lets go of their pride and standing to let someone else be the hero, the ruler, the one with power, etc.

SHE is not my type. i would fuck jazz jennings tho

The thing is that they blame X thing for why there are losers of group Y. Niggers blame whites for anything and everything for example. The thing about Jews is that they are over represented among the rich, influential professions and so forth. The whole equality of outcome and other meme logic that the SJWs are pushing works just as well against the Jews. Now they have their made up genocide but as I said, they aren't victims even according to the internal logic of the progressive morons.

Too old eh?

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Nobody said mentally ill people can't be nice.

gee i wonder why…

my dude. masturbation is not a seal of approval. I jack off to plenty of shit I think is wrong and a detriment to society. Chronic masturbaters know its all about getting off - but the same ole thing doesn't cut it, so you go a little filthier each time. If you don't set a few boundaries for yourself, there's no telling we're where you might get swept up into. Degenerates, I suspect get caught up in a illogical loop of 'if it feels good, it can't be bad', when it comes to their pet perversions & vices. I look at faggotry the same as drinking. Get shitfaced(or shitdicked) all you want behind closed doors, but your bullshit won't be tolerated in public, you fucking fags

Because Jewish slave traders bought slaves from black slavers and sold them to white plantation owners? Far as I can see it, whites are only one third to blame here.

Respect has to be earned.

He's a mentally ill man and you're enabling his gender identity disorder by indulging his madness.

And what is a cause of mental illnesses?
Hormonoal imbalances. Forcefully injecting yourself hormones that your body can't operate with naturally leads to exactly that.
Did you never had biology in highschool?

The DSM disagrees with you.

If you've ever read the Sump storylines you'd see it my way.
It's such an extreme version of capitalism that it could hardly be called right or left. It's more of a parody of the type of western government that brought on utter retarded bullshit like the patriot act, where the people are just so complacent and desensitized to everything that they sign over their rights to the government just to make their lives "easier" which is closer to what the modern democratic party is doing than anything. Judge Dredd, the comic is a parody of extreme western government more than anything.

Do you truly believe that the left of the west doesn't think that?

you do realize you're still fucking a boy, right? there's no pussy, just a dick, balls and asshole like always. you're a closet fag.

they also think that voluntary exchanges are immoral. doesn't mean it's actually so

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he's supposed to be "misguided".
but alot of people unironically support every thing he says because he makes goddamn sense. even more in ==current year==

did this faggot straight up plagiarize Ayn Rand?

yes

and you know he went raw dog too…

No. The average is normal. Trannies aren't the average person, so it's not normal.

Then they should hate themselves. Slaves were bought, not kidnapped.

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thats even worse. atleast kidnapping has some integrity.

a lot do unfortunately. but black nationalism is chanching that and blacks are connecting back to thier roots

I swear to god, these libearal writers are smart enough to write a right wing character, and make arguments in favor of their position, but are too stupid to think to never wonder "Why would someone hold that position" or "Maybe I'm the one who's wrong".

Every single time they try to make a sympathetic liberal, they fail miserably. Come to think of it, there never has been a sympathetic liberal in pop culture that I can think of.

The niggers were bought from other niggers, and from mudslimes.

What about Sergeant 'Sugar' Watkins?

Because to be a liberal they have to believe that they already know the answer to both of those.

Because that someone is a bigot/has internalized their oppression, if they weren't they'd be a liberal.

How could someone be wrong if they are a liberal?

They don't seem to put much effort into not looking like assholes because who needs to be sympathetic when you are on the right side of history and all who oppose you are monsters?

lol wuuuuuut

Say it with me now
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Blatant intimidation tactic. Deny deny deny and increase the perception that one is powerful or "good" and the accuser is "evil" for "bullying" you.

The fake-victim bullies/intimidates someone by deceiving the peanut gallery into thinking they're victims of a great injustice because they are being investigated. These same fake-victims will use the "If you're not guilty, what have you got to hide?" reasoning when they're investigating someone else unfairly.

The Left has used this double standard for a long time and it only works for someone in power. They have made a populace responsive to this flip-flopping intimidation, normalized it, which is why they're scared as hell that their political enemies are going to use it while they're in power. The Right has been "principled losers" for long enough.

hivemind

t. nig

Why didn't he dodge?

Because it was suicide, obviously. He wasn't willing to break his principles but was also to much of a pussy to stand by his principles.

I thought the Alt-Right stood with Israel?

I like your comics truthseeker but incorporating dead memes like dunkacinno is gay.

lol what…
That's not the point of Rorschach. He's shown to be batshit and have ==EVIL== objectivist views so you're surprised when he is the only one willing to stand up to the bad guy in what you suppose to be a superhero comic/film. Besides, every character shows very clear ideological and psychological issues, for example, Dan (((Dreiberg))) is, quite literally, an impotent liberal who can't let go of his adolescence, something quite apt now. Comedian is nihilistic and very fuckef in the head, but as a result, anything he does truly care about, like his daughter is worthless in a very different way. I could go on.

As for the rest of you, Holla Forums, Holla Forums and general posters, your lack of even a basic understanding of most political terms makes me laugh, with a few exceptions among you who are somewhat capable. No one will ever convert to your ways of thinking in this weird raid-cold war you've got going if you're utterly incoherent.
Bah, American education.

Even I'M cringing at you.

Were we supposed to dislike Rorschach? I never got that impression. I always felt that he was an honorable man with honorable intentions, but just has a rather unconventional way of doing things.

There was no chance for him to tell the truth if Doctor Manhattan was against him.

Interesting. I remember that the little patch on the left part of the collar on the jacket to be blank. I'm not sure if it was for all the Nazi's but at least for the one in season 2 episode 10 who John talks with in the limousine.

he's a white guy, of course you were supposed to dislike him. you were supposed to root for Dreiberg, the Jew who can't get it up unless he's wearing spandex.

Manhattan wouldn't have let him leave which makes sense considering his emotional detachment but both the comic and the movie makes it pretty clear Rorschach didn't WANT to leave and rather be killed.

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Literally the worst characters and worst arcs between the two.

The argument is, once world peace has been achieved, it will stay achieved due to advanced technology and lacking any reasonable moral argument to be the first to break the world peace.

Why do they only have one person voicing and reading everything for all these motion comics

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So they think a Stark Trek future will happen? Noble but I'm not sure about it. What if humanity expands beyond the stars and Earth and her colonies don't get along or the colonies decide to rebel? It seems hopeful but futile.

A-are you one of those retards?

Why didn't owlman save him? What a lousy friend.

>lacking any reasonable moral argument to be the first to break the world peace
this hasn't stopped any war in history from happening

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Race doesnt exist

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It's just a coincidence there's blacks in my porn you shitlord!

Manhattan was buddha emo hipster faggot superman, Rorchac is a an average manlet. There's no fucking way he was gonna survive if TransSmurf wanted him dead, and he wasn't gonna abandon his morals just because Ozmondus asspulled a retarded plan and the "heroes" immediately drank the kool aid.

Ozmondos plan is deliberately marxist, all people are the same, and must therefore be (((socially engieneered))) into being good goys through lies, deceit and mass murder.

The "heroes", however, pussied out with a "morally ambiguous" speech about the (((common good))), equating the value of human life with quantity instead of quality.

Take commie chikenshit liberal beliefs (see ) who believe right and wrong are genderfluid or some shit, they are the same fucks who think culture justifies malevolence, claim a raghead pedo is a saint while some white guy that doesn't check his priviledge is worse than hitler.

CAPESHITACCINO

Dude showed no eomtion besides love and anger.

What did he mean by this?

Two sides of the same coin?

and penis

Same side of the same coin is more accurate to be honest.

lmao what a manlet

What do leftism and rightism imply?

This thread is confusing in the extreme. Everyone here seems too have their personal definition of "Social Justice", "Fascist", "Left"and "Right" none melding or addressing each others definitions. It's like everyone in this thread are squawking birds of different species in a aviary making a cacophony of meaningless noise.

Freemasonry, it's post-french revolution thinking and subversive shit.

This is true communism

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Same as who? I don't have the right to lie about who or what I am in my passport or when I apply for a job or regarding which public restroom I use and I don't desire those rights either. We keep track of these things for a reason. Women have their own bathrooms for a reason. Why do cross-dressers need or deserve NEW rights to be invented for them?

Is this your first time on an imageboard?

Fucking kikepedia.
You know how the Peronist party in Argentina is called? The Justicialist party. Which is founded on and named after social justice.
You know why it doesn't feature there?
Because it keeps saying it's neither communism nor capitalism, but a third position.
Sound familiar?

Oh, how silly, leftypol. Also, something about SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

I'm of the opinion that Moore didn't go for the "Ozymandias is a bad guy", but for an illustration of the trolley problem, more or less.
If you push the lever, you're manipulating (something I despise, and I wouldn't be for it, but people think differently) people into uniting into world peace, killing 1 million people only, but having lasting peace, and if you don't, you're washing your hands (but not doing the "right thing") and killing almost everyone, letting nature take its course.
I'm with Rorschach, though, but I can see the point the other side would make.
Makes it fun knowing that traditionally, the "good" always wins in comics, so having in the end Rorschach's journal (was that in the movie? didn't see it) get brought to light was kinda validating.

Not getting into the overuse of the (((echo))) meme but yeah, social engineering is bad, m'kay?
That's my gripe with the other side. Even if it all ended up in world war.

I believe SJWs to be as fascist as a neonazi (with the whole corporatism/big state thing going on), but they are more open to "degeneracy". That's not a bad thing, but they are intolerant to people who think differently. They want all kinds of diversity except the one that matters: diversity of ideas, of minds, of ways of thinking.
Holla Forums is also fascist, but against degeneracy. Truly the "two sides of the same coin" thing, however annoying, is true. Except for the fact, however, that I believe Holla Forums to be more tolerant of differing ways of thinking (sometimes you can see posts on monarchism, libertarianism, paganism vs. catholicism, etc.)
That's the main difference, really.

No, it's different. The decision is not between saving one and ten, but between saving many at the cost of fewer and lying.

It's exactly that. Pulling the lever would be equivalent to lying. You'd be morally reprehensible for pulling the lever you'd be morally reprehensible for killing 1M people plus lying.

In one case you need to pull the lever first, in the other you need to lie before and after.

To expand on this, Dreiberg's character is about how most comic writers now are fans who grew up with the characters they're writing, unlike old writers. It's something Moore talks/complains about a lot.

The original Nite Owl was a police officer who dressed up to beat up criminals anonymously and chose an owl costume because of a nickname people gave him.

Dreiberg had a life-long fascination with owls, was a fan of the original Nite Owl, invented all kinds of gadgets and wrote to the original Nite Owl when he retired and went public to ask if he could take over. He takes the character a lot more seriously than the original Nite Owl.

So Alan Moore is saying we should stop taking characters more seriously and let them me fantastical and silly instead of trying to adhere to reality?

He is saying you should let comic book characters die instead of dragging them out forever in a unchanging state because of childhood nostalgia.

I don't know if there's much of a message in there, mostly an observation. He doesn't think telling serious stories with comics is wrong, a lot of his work is serious. It's taking the characters very seriously to the point of obsession he might have a problem with. A writer can do that while telling fantastical and silly stories. Don Rosa does that. His work is very good, but he tries to build a canon out of hundreds of Carl Barks' Donald Duck stories that make no effort to be consistent with each other, which doesn't seem wise to me. But regardless of what Moore meant in Watchmen, I do know he thinks the current state of affairs is unhealthy.

Another thing like that is superhero comics within the Watchmen universe. There's an explanation somewhere that the superhero genre was an inspiration for masked vigilantes but mostly died out when they became a reality. Eventually most comics were about pirates instead. That made me wonder how an entire industry could work with such a specific genre, but that is of course exactly what we have now with superheroes.

alan moore made a comic where a fish man raped a chick for a couple days lol

wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/

After reading this please lynch yourself.

With cape comics dominating I think it had to do with the Comics Code Authority.

wew

Do you just hate him because he hates capeshit?

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I dislike Moore because he's a part of the creatively dead American comics industry. Shit art, shit writing and always self referential. Always pozzed with American politics.

but alan moore hates everything about the comics industry

he hates the parts of the industry that denied him shekels
FTFY

Ask any plebian capeshit comics nerd about their favorite authors and Moore will be one among them. I don't care what he thinks, he makes trash.

Moore is a britbong though

I like Watchmen and Druuna, tbh

As a woman I find his depictions of heterosexuality and masculinity troublesome.

not even surprised

what's wrong with v for vendetta? it was a decent comic and made for a fun movie.

I get that impression that Moore really thinks that men are either feminists, queers, or rapists.

You expected anything else?

Serpieri is a 10/10 artist but he's not an amazing writer, still better than capeshit writers. I didn't post that to prove I'm right though, Anima had no text in it at all.

I think it, like most things Moore has written, is too pretentious. He's not intelligent enough to explore the subjects and themes he wants to deal with. V for Vendetta is about a masked vigilante in a strawman fascist state and it's just dumb.

Manga is superior

Japanese comics are much better than American ones but not quite as good as European.

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In which category would you place Watchmen?

Trash.

Dreck.

Capeshit crud.

That's not exactly whats going on when liberals "backfire" like this. What they're actually trying to do is subvert conservatives and "white heroes", not expose them as they are and expect the audience to reject them at face value.

That is what happened to Norman Lear with his Archie Bunker character decades ago. Whites were supposed to reject him outright but it indeed backfired, so they changed him later on in response. These film "right wing heroes" - and even what GRRM/HBO did with the Starks in Game Thrones - is next-generation / next-level shit where they show the characters straight - get the audience to identify with them - and then portray them as evil, dumb, or dangerous by the end of the story, hoping to disillusion the viewer and enchant them to progressive ways.

But, the fuck this up too. What has happened is that audiences just edit out the shit they dont like after they leave the theater or turn off the TV but retain the impression made on them by the setup… the stalwart conservative, the fashy anti-hero, the perfect father and family… they still end-up as memes and models regardless of how they ended-up on the show or in the movie. Ultimately, the subversion fails because we evolved to create our own head canon, basically.

Jesus Christ, I hadn't noticed that thing with the Starks. No wonder I wish they'd survived more. Even at a subconscious level, I realized they were more honorable than the rest of the shits. The whole killing them is almost on purpose.
You're right about the headcanon part. At this point in time, people who listen to the creators about what is canon and not are just mindless shits. And the desire for corporate control over what is canon (e.g.: Disney saying "this all is not canon anymore, so fuck you") is fucking dumb. A piece of shit that comes from the very concept of IP.

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dont try to reason with them, they're beyond saving. just a cult of personality, paid to shill for drumpf.

This is beyond cuckposting. This took real effort.

Why are you so triggered today?
Did you see someone wearing a MAGA hat or something?

Honestly the only characters I hated were the comedian and blue man group. Comedian was a prick who shot women and children and blue man only cared about himself and was so quick to abandon humanity after killing Rorschach to "keep the peace"

By letting himself die he saved the world from living in a lie. If that makes you a right wing nazi sign me up.

Silk specter 2 and nite owl were good people but ultimately unwilling to put their beliefs on the line when it meant certain death.

Ozman was a libtard faggot with a God complex who killed millions of people because he watched too many movies and did drugs.

Tbh he was quite likable despite his nihilistic viewpoint and wanton murder.

I didn't read any of the mumbo jumbo ITT but posted low quality bait ITT

RIP