Was this film accurate?

Since this is a cruasder thread lets have some music.

The answers in your question op

I don't think that was the point. There was just more time given to Crusader politics than the Caliphate politics. The portrayal of Saladin actually is a negative portrayal of the Caliphate since it tries to show the Muslims as fucking retards that are only successful because of Saladin.

Most of the Crusaders are shown to be noblemen. It's the Templar's that are portrayed as cunts.

were the Templar's cunts?

If this guy was an angel then why did he get beheaded in the curbstomp battle?

Muslims were more rational than Chirstcucks until the crusades, then religion really fucked then up. Nowadays they are a worthless people killing each other over a place more fucked up than Mars and just begging to be nuked from the face of the earth.

If Templars were cunts, they're competent cunts, their fall spawned Freemasons and Swiss bank.

Muslims gave you math, writing, and bathing, and yet you don't believe they were civilized? They didn't go to shit until Europe collapsed the Ottoman Empire.

If Europe was still pagan the crusades would have never happened and Europe was be friends with Islam.

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Whoever built the pyramids had better math thousands of years before Christ than the Muslims had at any point in their short history.

You've drank too much kool-aid. Muslims have been slaughtering and assassinating each other since before Muhammad's corpse went cold. Literally the first thing they did after his death was ambush and kill a bunch of other Muslims over

And that's how Sunni and Shiite were born.

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Numbers, you mean. Math itself was around before that, but everything was in Roman numerals.
wat
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Not to mention Muhammad himself spread Islam by force. Islam only succeeded once it adopted violent methods.

wow they sound like the only violent group in the history of the world, i should be afraid of them and vote all my rights away

Is this bait?

wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

You should be afraid of Muslims gaining a significant percentage of the population of your country as Islam is incompatible with Western values and the differences in average IQ between Western and Middle Eastern/North African populations.

wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam#Science_and_Statistics

Muslims believe that getting urine on your cloths damns you to hell and that the devil urinates in your ear, hides in your nose, and farts when you pray so that the sound of his fart blocks out the sound of your prayers.
What? They don't? Maybe they would if they actually read their holy books instead of the most flattering verses given to them by muslims teachers

If Europe was still pagan there wouldn't be muslims since Mohammed just tweaked christianity to con a bunch of savage sand people.

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But part of the Crusades was Christians killing and pillaging other Christians' shit.

You can't invent math, you can expand it. And I'll give the Muslims that they did expand it, just like people before and after them. Plus reading stones, trebuchets, the Ottoman Empire apparently had the practice of sorta-vaccination before Europe. So, y'know, like every other people in history, they contributed.

Yes, by "every other people" I am including niggers.

What exactly did the expand on though? Greeks had Trig long before muslins. Then it wasn't big again until Newton again gave us calculus. Then the next big thing was quantum mechanics. Einstein didn't do the math so he's meh.

islam was never rational all the good stuff they took from the greeks

What have niggers given to the world besides Peanut Butter?

They did come up with the modern numerical system.

thanks for collapsing the rectum

Bill Cosby

Only heretics and the Cathars/Abli, who were double heretics imo.

Black people didn't invent peanut butter. Where does this myth come from? It was invented by Marcellus Edson, and English Canadian.

reminder that george washington carver was a mulatto and litterally the only nigger to think of anything significant ever.

kike propoganda about george washington carver.

Black people also didn't invent rap. That honour (debatably) goes to an Englishman by the name of John Skelton. Nigga had fucking dank rhymes.
He once wrote a poem that several verses of nothing but shitting on an ugly bitch.

That doesn't make sense, if they think existence is terrible and want to remove soul from body, wouldn't they be all in support of blood for the blood god?

They wanted everyone to kill themselves, preferably via starvation. See the end of the first line of that post's quote.

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lol pretty funny user.

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Jesus Christ, it's like I'm looking at some kind of prototype for Communism. There is no new thing under the sun.

feels gud

This is actualy pretty true

At this time it was pretty common in the middle east to wash yourself unlike in europe. Also thanks to the Islamic conquest the technological advancements also spread faster than in feudal europe.

This

All that you listed existed before islam and before christianity. Kill yourself.

It was pretty common for romans to bathe too. Before christianity existed. That is why they build gigantic bathhouses. Things devolved after the fall of the empire.
On the balkans Bulgarians had piping systems in the major cities.
You know, those that the Ottoman empire burned down along with every book they could so they could make up whatever they wanted with their own history.

Jesus fucking Christ it was pretty much the exact opposite with the bathing. Europeans bathed more than the Muslim counterparts primarily because they had access to a lot more water. Furthermore the soap industry in Europe was fucking massive.
Secondly the re ignition of technological advancement in Europe was because of a multitude of factors, as simply as I could put it would be, better climate for a booming population, reintroduction of the classical works of the ancient world (the Muslims kept a number of philosophical and other works that were okay in their theological view), access to new trade further East. and the shift in the culture of Western and Central Europe because of mother fucking Saint Thomas Aquinas.
Thirdly the Crusades for the most part were primarily a series of defensive wars, yes there was some stupid shit like the 4th Crusade but you got to remember that pretty much the entire Middle East at one point was Christian, I mean shit Syria and Egypt were pretty much the centers of learning and of Christendom prior to the rise of Islam.

if Europe hadn't converted to it it would be just another minor middle eastern cult

Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

Thats bullshit and you know it

Its like saying that invasion of Iraq in 2003 was western "self defense"

If Iraq had been christian 10 years ago, but conquered by muslims and raped hard, then a reconquest recently after those events can be called defensive.
Things were unfolding directly back then. Not like now, when we can barely remember that those lands were christian.

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Don't you have a birthday party somewhere to suicide bomb, Mohammed?

Yea, by restoking full-scale war with the muzzies, the Templars effectively put the entire Christian population of Jerusalem to death. The lives AND spirits of their own people exchanged for their arrogance.
Baldwin knew that they didn't have the manpower to keep an invasion at bay, so for the good of his people he tried to keep peace for the while. There's a reason he slaps the shit out of the head Templar.

Did you miss the part where Saladin is at their gates with a full army at the mere rumor of the king dying, or is that an act of peace ?

The Germanic gods also engaged in the lyrical banter now known as rap, then as flyting.

It's after Guy and company commit multiple small, ineffectual ambushes. To get further into it, these highlighted how internally splintered the Christian forces were and how bad a tactician Guy was, so it's no wonder Saladin came ASAP to curbstomp the fresh King Guy. If the Templars laid low until after Baldwin's death, I surmise that Saladin would not have been so quick to show up at the gates of Jerusalem, as he would have no idea what he would be dealing with.

Do not misread Baldwin wanting peace for the sake of his subjects as Saladin wanting peace, too. Do not think it was an easy peace, either.

This, god damnit most of muslim history being taught in ME countries is about all the wars muslims waged to "enlighten" people and convert them to islam.

Well there was a Christian church in Assyria during the early days of Christianity.

Fuck you

Like a little boy.

Nigga, there was like a century between Muslim conquests and the Crusaders coming in.

That's like saying NATO suddenly coming in to "liberate" Eastern Europe from the Soviet Union in 1987 would be a "defensive war". A defensive war by definition is one where a defender tries to keep out an attacker. Stop trying to change definitions to suit your whims.

No it's not.

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Listen dipshit the byzantines had at all times been at war with the fucking mudshits. They were in perpetual conflict with em and so were those christian in the areas that would later be fully islamic.
The emperor of byzantine had to constantly keep watch over those regions of his empire or he would lose them completely.
12th century is exactly the period of time when the middle east was completely overtaken by islam. Muslim conquest didn't start with the ottoman turks or invasion of spain. They started with the annihilation of christians in the middle east. It was so thorough only a few branches remain as minorities like the copts.

NATO is an alliance that dictates: members will help each other against external invading forces.
At ancient times there wasn't a nato, but there was christianity and the pope and they helped each other. Thus the crusades were launched to reclaim what was christian but overtaken by muslims.
We are talking of regions that were christian before the existence of islam being taken over, men becoming kafirs who pay extra taxes and submit to muslims and women being taken away as slaves.
How the fuck do you do such a dumb comparison ?
Eastern europe wasn't in NATO to get help from it, but now is. If russia does attack a NATO member state the retaliation to it would be a defensive action.

Why are you playing with definitions ? Or do you simply fail to understand the reality of those times: christian territories being raided and enslaved => pope reacts.

'cos their rhymes so fly

Ironically the Christians were the ones that destroyed the Byzantine empire.

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Granted many of the crusades were failures. Mainly because of lords seeking riches and thrills instead of actually wanting to help.
The meme that they were the greatest evil of christianity has to die though.

Such is the fall of most empires.
Mongol empire ? Torn apart by mongols.
Ottoman empire ? Collapsed on itself.
British empire ? Collapsed on itself.
etc etc etc
They grow too big to maintain and once their oder falls apart they cannot recover against upcoming powers.

The muzzie is just angry because that was the period Europe halted the Muslim expansion. They were looking unstoppable up until that point.

The British empire didn't collapse on itself. The growing nationalist movements in its countries plus the costs of fighting two world wars took its toll. Compared to most empires the British had the softest collapse with most of its major colonies such as; Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Northern Ireland remaining within their sphere of influence. And everyone else entering into the Commonwealth.

Ottoman suffered a similar but harsher fate with their Slavic territories turning against them. And now Turks have to deal with the Kurds about to tear Anatolia in half.

The destruction of the Byzatine empire was done entirely in the name of shekels. Most of the relics stolen from the Greeks are now in Venice.

That's what those fuckers get for attacking the crusaders while on their way.

That is exactly what I call collapsing on itself. You grow so big you can't control all the nations under you. The standard for any empire falling apart. They start to split, like the roman into east roman and west roman. And then they split even more.

They were never theirs to begin with. And the kurds have never really liked them either.
With all their forceful conversions and child taking, with all the burned books they still couldn't erase the former identity of those regions.

It's a naive thing to say. An empire falling apart but still holding the richest city both in riches and culture of that area. Everyone wanted a piece of that.
It's like expecting rome to not be sacked after the barbarians took it.
It's like expecting Genghis Khan to not sack Bejin.

Shekels have been a motivation for a ton of conflicts.

Some of the last crusades were truly shit. Underfunded and thus prone to raids. They practically attacked more christians than not.

if you payed attention the movie quite explicitly says that specifically Saladin is swell not Muslims as a whole.

the first time we meet a Saracen in the movie he attempts to mug the protagonist for his horse. In the camps Saladin has to constantly put up with the warhawks in his camp who insist on attacking Jerusalem with disregard to plausibility of actually achieving a victory (Saladin going as far to say that the muslims were shit tacticians before he came along and that yelling that you have god on your side won't do shit). essentially the saracens had their own extremists just like the Europeans.

in reality however the people of the city were ransomed, most of the common people were too poor to afford the ransom but the rich were allowed to leave peacefully. sounds like shit hearing it in a modern context but previously the christians massacred the muslims when they took the city and this was the expected standard operating procedure of the time so not violently eradicating your defeated enemy stands out historically

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If Europe didn't have Christians the Pagans would have gotten their assholes fucked. I don't remember Pagans defending Europe.

then burnt many libraries and massacred entire cities.

History is long, many have lived and died and all have played both the hero and the villian.

Right now the muslims are the mudslimes trying to drag the world back into the dark ages so the muslims can go fuck themselves.

Let me spell it out for you - sending an army halfway across a fucking continent to claim a territory held by a completely different group of Christians a century before when it was conquered by the Muslims, and a group that you don't particular like either which is why you spend almost half your time in the Holy Land assraping them, is not a "defensive war".

A "defensive war" is, by definition, defending your territory against an invader AS the invasion is happening. Like, y'know, the Soviets defending their territory from the Nazis in World War II. Or the French defending their territory from the British in the Hundred Years War.

Now tell me, why do you fail to grasp such simple definitions?

this thread really triggered midf

muslims claim all the time areas they once contolled centuries ago still rightfully belong to them

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But the Ottomans did invade Eastern Europe and the Slavs fought back like Vlad the Impaler. Wouldn't that count as a defensive war?

that's different you dumb kafir

You could say that of literally every empire in the world. And Kurds have always been cunts to literally everyone - none of their neighbours like them, and would happily join in to exterminate them if they could get away with it. They are goatfucker-tier.

Except the Ottomans never did forced conversions, or try to actively impose their culture to conquered territories, as even a cursory study of history will demonstrate. Their entire power resided on being the top, and everyone else being second, and assimilation and forced conversion would run counter to that. There is a reason they fought internal strife more than any other empire in history, simply because of this one simple policy. The British didn't mind assimilation and forced conversion. The Spanish didn't. The French didn't. The Japanese didn't. Hence why they had little internal strife. Only the Ottomans actively loathed the idea and realized their mistake by the end, when they started trying to cultivate the idea of Ottomanism as a uniting principle, by which time it was too late and failed abysmally for them, which is also why in World War I they spent more time fighting their own subjects than the British.

So don't kid yourself. If the Turks wanted to erase the culture, they had around 700 years to do it. And they were certainly competent enough to achieve it.

Does that explain the fall of the Persian Empire? They conquered but allowed their subjects to keep their religions and customs.

And? What does someone saying something stupid have anything to do with what I said?

The people within the territories fighting to gain independence? Yes. Or fighting back an invader? Yes. I mentioned as much if you read what I wrote.

Same with ottomans.
So that is why entire villages were converted or burned as examples and on the balkans they have pomaks, who are walking, living proof of christian converts to islam ?
You think spiking as a fear factor to force conversions was just a myth the balkans invented ? You think spiking that was still used in the 18th century and reported by western journalists was just lies ?
The blood tax didn't exist ? Janissaries didn't exist ? Culture wasn't imposed ? Property wasn't taken to be distributed among mudslimes ? Churches weren't turned into mosques or burned ? Monasteries weren't burned ? Hundreds of years of local books weren't annihilated ?

And that was somehow not erasing culture and history ?

Where do you pull your history from ? Your anus ?
They didn't have that long and they incorporated a lot of balkan traditions into themselves over the years.
Historically earlier than the existence of the ottomans the byzantine emperor would write his losses in battle as victories in their history books. So by reading the ottomans you might as well be reading soviet union documents on the existence of the Holodomor or the ottoman documents on the peaceful armenian genocide.
Do not kid yourself into intelligence by appealing to what amounts to war propaganda.
Yeah, british, french, spanish colonies were always the model of peace and prosperity. You sure got me there. Oh wait, it's complete bullshit and you are AGAIN pulling it out of your ass.

Are you the egyptian muslim extremist who supports the Muslim brotherhood from /fit/ ? You realize you are eligible for jail in your own country ?

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Yeah i guess the byzantines reclaiming territory from arabs was not defensive wars, but offensive wars.
What evil audacity of the byzantines to want to reclaim what was once theirs.

Oh the audacity of those fucks. This is now muslim land and such wars are evil and offensive, not defensive, because we made sure to burn their books of old :DDDDDD

You are fucking retarded. Kill yourself.

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Well I guess I should come into your home country. Kill anyone who opposes and hold it for 10 years while burning all your books anc converting your people.
Then when you rebel I will say this is my land and your attacks are evil and aiming for conquest, not in defense of your basic existence.
Not that this doesn't happen on a daily basis in the middle east, but you can surely see the problem, right ?

Ugh…why do I even bother arguing with morons like you eludes me. It's obvious your skull is impenetrable to learning.

Can you fucking read? Or are you pretending to be obtuse?

Now tell me, did I mention anything about Byzantines "reconquering" territory in that sentence?

Oh Christ, I think you might actually be retarded for real. That's the only reason I can think of for you to insert a completely irrelevant side topic into the conversation which I didn't bring up.

Defensive war in the current sense is not used for a country but from a religious perspective as would be implied by the name of crusades: holy.
These are christians fighting to maintain their dominance in areas that were their own but are no longer such after continuous attack by their enemy - the muslims.

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Remember that one time the crusaders sacked constantinople, established a catholic 'empire' for a few years and then that collapsed, and then the Byzantine empire was doomed forever?

Oh wait no one does because all the doos vult LARPers have never read a history book.

Or those times when the pope called crusades against areas of southern france because they didn't accept the papacy (the albegensian crusade?)

Or that one time the pope tried to make Russia forcefully embrace Catholicism and the Teutonic knights got pwned at lake Peipus by the Russians, thus earning catholicism enmity from the orthodox church for a long time?

Yep, good christians these catholics, as long as you suck the pope's anus and give him all your money.

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Why is it so surprising a Jewish cult does things that benefit Jews?

Remember how the Church forbade Christians from lending money with interest but allowed Jews to do it? And just look at how powerful banks are today.

And we mustn't forget how eager the Christian priesthood is to fuck little (white) children, much like every place infested with Jews tends to be.

All denominations are like that. The Protestants bend over backwards to funnel billions into Israel's coffers and give them access to all the advanced military technology they used the goyim's tax money to develop.

The Fourth Crusade is probably the crusade I see specifically get discussed the most tbh (though when people refer to the "Crusades" they normally seem to think of the first and third). I heavily doubt it never happening would have prevented the fall of Byzantium though.

The Pope invoked a crusade against the Kristijani in Bosnia, and so weakened them and created internal divisions between the king and the people that it was easy pickings for the Turks, on top of refusing to come to the aid of "fellow" Christians when they were asking for help.

Same shit that happened with Byzantium. The cuckold in charge sent the gullible goyim to eliminate the competition, and especially the competition that was less drawn to Judaism, so they could all work all the harder in promoting Jewish interests.

BUT HE'S RAPIST!!!!111!

It's worth nothing and everything!

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Go die for Israel goyim

On a scale of yes to extremely, how retarded are you?

Good post.

Funny that you mention that as an example as that's pretty much what happened to Syria this century.

Thank you based Christian.

Wasn't the Middle East supposed to be secular and full of potential at the turn of the century or something? If so its a shame what happened to it.

Please tell me why Europeans should give a shit about brown people in a desert just because of some religious bullshit?

Fucking larpsaders

Because they're invading Europe, have been for millennia, and will continue to for another millennia until we finally put a stop to it at the source. The butchered the Middle East, the butchered Africa, they butchered Spain, they butchered the Balkans, they butchered Rome and Italy, and they're butchering Europa and America. The last thing we need is ISIS to form Ottoman Empire 2.0 without any resistance from the inside of Europe. Islam is an intolerable threat, and that threat is in the Middle East.

Because an european empire was there before islam existed and christianity had gained power. Before that was alexander the great.
Before that were the trojans, ancient greeks and etc.

Yeah, all that just persecution they got really benefited them

And it collapsed, on its own
Empires are build and are destroyed, every culture has its own time.
The european time has passed, now is the time for Muslim civilization

It has never been the time of the muslim civilization, because it has at all times been busy with killing itself and other muslims.
Even at its absolute peak it could never produce something as grand as the roman empire.

You're living in the past fam. Ottomans got fucked. It's white's time now.

What about the supposed Chinese take-over of the world?

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But they're taking over Hollywood and bought up tons of land in Africa.

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So they're moving in on Louis' territory?

Rich pedophile semites who found common ground.
Oh, now I get why you post on Holla Forums.

I don't recall that being the moral of the story.

Yeah I can see how there was plenty of water to wash yourself in the desert.

I do know they wiped their asses with stones.
Mohammed said use an odd number of stones or a jinn (a ghost fro ancient arabic belief) will come out the toilet bowl and curse you.

Two of the most violent conquering forces ever to exist.

But luckily the French and Spanish drove back the Umayyad caliphate or we would all be sitting in dirt huts reading the quran rather than in our heated homes on computers.

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It's fitting that the end of millenia of civilization in the Middle East is called the Islamic Golden Age.

Yeah.
The Umayyads plundered bordeaux and got as far as Tours in Southern France where 75,000 Franks wiped out a massive muslim invasion force that turned back the conquest of France.

The Caliphate held on to Spain and Portugal for a few centuries though and the Spanish had to come up with the Spanish inquisition to finally get all of them out.

Something we will likely have to do again in Europe.

Franks and Visigoths are not French and Spanish

Unlike every other empire that ever existed amrite?

Did you know that you can wash yourself in sand?

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You should read up on it.

Heres a cool link to start with
thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/notes/tours.html

Well Battle of Poitiers is quite know fact, and i meant

There was no spain and no portugal before muslim conquest, spain (Iberia) was the name of whole region and a geographical name, not the name of nation that existed at this time

Straight form the kikepedia

Also Spain as a nation was created in

With all the advancements the romans left you, you still fucked it up. Your *golden age* is the age in which you plunder and kill.
You also practically stalled your own scientific advancement.

You are african nigger tier. Neither of those could step on the roman empire's pinky.

*had been invaded by

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghilman
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhanite
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery#Arab_slave_trade
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean–Nogai_raids_into_East_Slavic_lands

youtube.com/watch?v=MOFrB743PgE

So much misinformation in this post

Retardo.

t. Refugee

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Go hammer some ancient monument of history and then pretend your civilization made it, mudslime.
It's what you've been doing since the invention of mudslam anyway.

That guy has literally 0 idea about what a good movie is.

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He's judging it from a historical angle, not a goodness/badness angle.

I don't know how you guys feel about this but he doesn't like historical Mel Gibson movies like Braveheart and the Patriot.

Even the scottish shit on Braveheart. The actual battle happens on a tight bridge where the cavalry is demolished. The movie puts the battle on an open field where cavalry normally dominates.

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Romanticism aside I love braveheart and the patriot. Better than real history tbh

Is it okay to enjoy Braveheart even though I acknowledge it isn't historically accurate?

Oh absolutely.

Mel Gibson may not care for historical accuracy, I mean he didn't write either of those but he did write Apocalypto and that was even worse for historical accuracy, but god fucking dammit it is undeniable that does he understand how to make a good film.

Actually during the Middle Ages public bath houses were pretty common, with the tradition of bathing being passed down from the Romans. Even in non-latin Europe people used to bathe at least once a week. Commerce of soap, perfume and incense were very lucrative and it was given special attention with the hygiene of children.
The aversion for bathing only became a thing after the Black Death, around the late XV century, when it was discovered that disease could be transmitted through water.

Then please explain how Eratosthenes of Cyrene was able to accurately calculate the earth's diameter and axial tilt two hundred years before Christ and 700 years before Islam? Pretty hard to do without maths.

Are you fucking serious? If anyone gave us writing it was the Sumerians.

I guess those Roman baths being built a thousand years before Islam were pure imagination then.

And frankly, all of Islam's scientific achievements were made by Arabs prior to Islam. Arabic scientific advancement basically stopped when Islam took hold.

So you're saying that if Europe hadn't Christianised, the Muslims wouldn't have invaded Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Armenia, Georgia, Tajikistan, Kazahkstan, the Balkans and France (ended by the Battle of Tours, thankfully)?

I call bullshit on that. Fuck off Mahmoud al-Kleb.