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>>275847246The Catholic Church is the body of Christ. "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

>>275847719The catholic church is not the body of Christ, Peter was crucified before the catholic church was established.

>>275846358To me it seems like yourself and trinitarians are saying basically the same thing - there is one God who is viewed in three ways. They use the words "three persons" but that's not too far off of just seeing them as three different views of the same person. Seems like a difference without a lot of distinction.

>>275847357From the Book of Revelation>17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.Here he's referencing the Alpha and Omega which is directly used in the OT to refer to God. I'm sure there are other examples, but we can't pick and choose what we like from the scriptures -- either it's all valid or none of it is.>>275847719The Catholic Church's ruling on the Trinity is a big sticking point with me. Otherwise, I would agree with you.

>>275847719Christ established the Catholic Church -- evidenced by scripture. Peter was appointed as the first Pope before his death.

>>275848618You're taking it out of context 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

>>275849038Denying the Trinity is blasphemy. Repent.

>>275849038>washed us from our sin in his own bloodThat's the other thing. Vicarious atonement is a big no-no according to the majority of abrahamic faiths; ditto for human sacrifice. I don't know how to square that message with Christ's death on the cross.

>>275846358Jesus never lived. His character is based on Titus Flavius. Flavius Josephus collaborated with the Flavians to promote the lie. Your life is based upon a lie. You might as well be worshipping Snoopy.

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>>275848907The father is in Jesus Christ and he is in his Father.

>>275849290>abrahamicAbraham was a schizophrenic

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>>275849317And Peter he chose to lead his church, and the Popes are the successors to Peter. To deny the papacy is to directly oppose Jesus

>>275849290You're just denying scripture now

>>275849317Christ is consubstantial with the Father.

>>275849686>To deny the papacy is to directly oppose JesusNot a big deal since Jesus never was a real person. You’re all so very stupid.

>>275849926>t. Plebbit

>>275846358The Trinity is false doctrine.Matthew 3:17 KJV"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."During Christ's baptism how is God's voice heard from heaven if Jesus and the father are the same person? They are separate beings

>>275849926Even atheists acknowledge that there was a historical Jesus as proven by Roman documents from the province of Galilee at the time. It's even historically confirmed that he was crucified.

>>275850205Idiots

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>>275849686Acts 2:38King James Version38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

>>275849859No, I'm not. God literally forbids human sacrifice in the OT. It's forbidden, unless you can justify that he died for some other reason than washing our sins away from us.

>>275846358>>>/x/

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>>275846358Christian: This is your "God", your Jewish God.

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>>275850450You could argue that it's not human sacrifice because God essentially chose to do this to himself

>>2758473571 John 5:7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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>>275850341>Even atheists acknowledge Bullshit. I’ve been an atheist since I was old enough to rationally think about this stuff...13...56 now. There’s never been a nanosecond in my life that I believed any of this shit.Watch this, you’re Faith is strong...you can handle it...youtu.be/zmEScIUcvz0

>>275847109>>275846358Some people would claim that this statement just is positing the Trinity. But in fact, your image macro is very relevant, precisely because the Trinity just is a philosophical concept used to comprehend a spiritual fact as handed down to us in written form through the Bible and in the Spirit through Christ.

>>275850450Propitiation, nobody was sacrificing Jesus to God, they simply murdered him, something that was foretold in scripture and he himself foretold he said it was the will of his father.

>>275850835You can say, "The Father is God," and still be good. But to then follow that up with, "The Son and Holy Spirit is God" is polytheism. How can the spirt and Word be on equal footing with God? God is God, he doesn't need partners.

>>275851043It was the will of the Father to sacrifice his own child, a practice that's explicitly forbidden? He prevents Abraham from slaughtering Isaac and castigates him for that very reason. It makes no sense.

>>275850642oh meme flag we are both chosen don't pretend אל ויהוה are the same you dishonour the god of your patriarchs

>>275851053>just deny the divinty of Jesus Christ broget saved or you will spend all of eternity in the lake of fireyoutu.be/CLTAqJavYZU

>>275851053It's not partnership, it's a different facet of the same thing. When you flip a coin, you can see either heads or tails, but it doesn't matter which side is up, as it is still a coin in the end. Likewise, you can encounter God in the form of the father, the son or the Holy Spirit, yet it is still all the same all encompassing God

>>275850349Back to Plebbit.

>>275850906There is nothing rational about atheism.Also, cute vid but lame conspiracy. Christ was around at the time of Octavian. If Octavian came up with Christ, the other Julio-Claudian emperors certainly wouldn't have burned them

>>275847084>a self-righteous Catholic appears!Every time. Save your vigour for your “holy” church, it’s in need of righteous and god fearing men

>>275846358Reminder that Hell is an adaptation of the pagan Hel. Also the same Abrahamic lore that gives rise to Satan also include Genies

ok faggot judeo chode

>>275846358Is this guy really suggesting that "..sent in the name of my father..." isn't just a way of saying "on behalf of"? I'm no catholic but it's difficult to believe just how guilty this dude is of twisting words as he accuses the catholics of the same.

Does anyone have that meme with the orthodox Chad guy facing the degenerates with scriptures that talk about judging righteously but the degenerates are saying "judge not - Bible"?Thank you in advance.

>>275851858Prot detectedOrthodoxy is so close to Catholicism in theology that many Catholic clergy consider Orthodox to be members of the all encompassing (i.e. catholic) faith. Even Lutherans are somewhat close-ish- But the thousands of Protestant variants birthed in the last 200 years are so perverted that you can't even call them Christian anymore

>>275851380As a Unitarian, that's what I'm doing. He was holy, yes, Lord, yes, but deity? No. >>275851492I see where you're coming from, but I think this might be a form of modalism.

>>275852319But they don't receive communion from the Catholic church, so how does that work?

>>275852319Right, and the hundreds of orthodox churches in and out of communion with each other each hold the correct doctrine? Or perhaps the Pope, who seems unable to stop himself from speaking damnable heresies? The word of God is eternal, the Holy Spirit is eternal, the practices of the Catholic Church are far from eternal, far from righteous, and far from the Bible

>>275849859Like how you deny the trinity?1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

>>275852465There is a whole argument about whether baptism is the only sacrament necessary for salvation or if the eucharist and confirmation are just as necessary. A lot changed since the second Vatican council and in the end it just comes down to whether or not you accept those reforms

>>275852367>Lord, yes, but deity? No.Matthew 7:22-2322 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>>275852592>scripture is entirely infallible and can under no circumstances be reinterpreted>Jesus didn't proclaim Peter to be the Pope and start the Catholic Churchpick one

>>275853013>Mary is sinless!>For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of GodHmm...

>>275853013Typical catholic argument, Peter’s “rock” is his Faith, that faith which he was graced with and thereby given the knowledge that Jesus was the Christ, and upon this grace-enabling faith was the Church of Christ founded

>>275846358There was a reason why they burned Mikey.

>>275853013Further, >pic related

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>>275853440Oh wow you don't seriously take Genesis literally, do you?

>>275853440And let me just be clear and mention that I don’t believe the Catholic Church is wrong, but they are not right, not as they claim

>>275853013Matthew 23:9-119 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.>but lets ignore all that and call the head of the church 'pope' which derives from father>Latin: papa from Greek: πάππας pappas, "father"the "catholics dont read their Bible" memes are painfully true

>>275853630Lmao>Call no man on earth your fatherCome on, now

>>275847235if you actually bothered to read the epistle to the hebrews you would know it’s paul shitting on judaism

>>275853630>I only believe Gods word when it makes sense to mememba when Jesus directly mentions Sodom and Gomorrah, Jonah, and God creating male and female in the beginning?

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>>275853680Prots: "We follow Jesus! Fuck off, Caths!" *proceeds to splinter into thousands of factions* Was it worth it, dude?

>>275853680Serves to demonstrate how God is superior to every human we could ever admire. It's hardly a literal commandment. 99% of Christians call every member of the clergy father. I'm not even going to mention how your biological father is usually called father or something along the lines. It is not the word that you shouldn't use, it's the thought you shouldn't have.The term "holy father" is just a means of signifying that the Pope is the highest and closest to God of all priests and bishops

>>275846358Anyone who teaches the trinity is treaching catholic philosophy. The word says Godhead.Father = SoulJesus Christ = BodyHoly Spirit = Spirit 1 God. Not 3. You cannot say 3 diffrent persons but at the same time say one. That is confusion of the highest order. God says he is not the author of confusion.>Ummm hurr so God talked to himself? Lol!!Yes he did. See, only BEGOTTEN son.>Ummm hurr so how can God both be father and son? Lol!!There are a total of 7 mysteries in the bible. One of them is the mystery of godliness.>1 Timothy 3:1616 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.I cannot fully tell you how God is both son and Father. That to me is a mystery. But i can tell you that God is one. Never once does the bible say ”persons” when reffering to God. Neither does it once say ”trinity”.Neither does it once say ”God the son” or ”God the Holy Spirit”. It only ever says God the Father. >So are you saying Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not God? Yes they are. But the bible makes it clear that there is one God. See, God is not mocked as some of you catholics of the whore seem to think. If you are saved you will get this thing.But go ahead. Tell me how three can be one. Go ahead. Make a fool out of yourself.

>>275854129>red herringback up your shit with scripture or fuck outta here papist

>>275849270You are lost. The trinity is not in the word. Get saved.

>>275854010Have you ever heard of, or witnessed the use of metaphor? Is there undeniable evidence that Earth is billions of years old? Yes. Does that mean that God can't have made it? No.

>>275846358Praise God, ditch the pedantry

>>275854316>It's hardly a literal commandment.Genesis 3:44 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

>>275854129If JC is in your heart and you can read and own a bible then who needs a priest or pastor?

>>275854731Do you always call your dad by his first name?

>>275854316>Catholics>Christians Please don’t speak if you’re gonna deny reality.

>>275854486>>275850835its sickening that you are telling anons to "get saved" when you are denying the divinty of Jesusdo you even know what being saved entails?youtu.be/CLTAqJavYZU

>>275854908>strawmanyou can do better user

>>275854989Do tell me who the truly legitimate Christian group is, then.And don't bother to say Protestants. If you're so sure of it then you must have a more specific group in mind.

>>275846358I experience the same things through meditation. Religion and devotion are a beginner phase.

>>275855123Hey, you said it was a commandment, not me. I'm not worried about calling my dad father.

>>275855207...Jesus said it, user

>>275852702You know the Word is Jesus Christ right? It is literally teaching the Godhead here not ”trinity”. >The Word was God >All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.It’s clearly teaching one God here not the wicked catholic trinity pagan ”3 God’s but still one”

>>275855377You can call your dad, father. But we only have one spiritual father, Him in Heaven, so in regards to spiritual matters His will seems clear

>>275854836>>275854836It's for guidance -- and community. Congregations are like book clubs, they keep your faith strong within a community of believers. Our countries have gone to shit without religion. Every other race of people has tribes, something to lean back on when times get tough; whites had congregations, and without those we are lost. We need to get out of this individualist mindset and find each other again, and the spirit. I only wish mainstream Christianity accomdated Unitarians. I'm still looking for answers, but I refuse to fall into the lion's den of Islam. Fuck that shit.

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>>275855466It's not three gods, it's one God with three "faces" so to speak

Just become a muslim already>>275847195what's your point?

>>275855124The one who rightly divides the scriptures. We are commanded nowhere in the bible to be part of any group. You are either saved or lost. It is this simple. Groups are of men, not of God.The only group God cares about are his saved.So get saved. You cannot please God in the flesh. Catholics are by far the worst group of men out there. If you study their religion it is literally only traditions. They believe the pope is physicall manifestation of God. Pure blasphemy.And that is just what it is. RELIGION. Christianity is salvation.Know the diffrence Religion = of men Salvation = of God

>>275855898Cool, enjoy being deracinated and Arabized by Islam. Those assholes takfir anyone who doesn't take a Muslim name and fall into line. It's not a faith, it's an army.

>>275856095Keep your anti-Catholic bigotry to yourself, please and thank you. You want to discuss Christianity here, discuss it, but don't resort to being an asshole because you have nothing of substance to add.

>>275854468>reality is not a valid argument. I need old texts mistraslanted at least five times over to believe anything.

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>>275855049>Here watch this heretic Jesuit speakI’m gonna pass on this one.Still waiting for the day when you post scripture proving where it says ”persons”, ”trinity”, ”God the son”. We are waiting. Please provide us with scripture.

>>275846358Yahshua Christ was God in the flesh.

>>275856122Islam doesnt deracinate.Doesn't arabize either. All cultures islam spread to are still distinct.Better to be arabized than jewified anyways>Those assholes takfir anyone who doesn't take a Muslim name and fall into line. First part isn't true, and nothing's wrong with falling into line if it means following God's orders.>It's not a faith, it's an armyThat's the best part

>>275856449Are you denying that the Bible was directly inspired by the Holy Spirit and contains no error?

>>275856636>All cultures islam spread to are still distinct.Tell that to the Berbers. Iranians refused to bend the knee and they're still getting massacred for it. Take your bearded pedophile and go.

>>275855817>It's not three gods, it's one God with three "faces" so to speakOh boy this is philosophy if i’ve ever seen it. Please provide scripture proving that God has diffrent ”faces”. This is literally the traditions and philosophy of men that God speaks against.Here i can prove to you Jesus Christ is the Body of the Godhead.8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.^^^^this is you >9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.Need i say more? If you cannot see this i question your spirit.

>>275856928Berbers still speak their native tongue, don't know what you're talking about.Iranians are Shias AKA neo-Zorastrians. "muh pedophilia" JFL take the loli pill nigger

John Calvin revealed these frustrations with Servetus when writing to his friend William Farel on 13 February 1546:>Servetus has just sent me a long volume of his ravings. If I consent he will come here, but I will not give my word; for if he comes here, if my authority is worth anything, I will never permit him to depart alive

>>275856305I am exposing catholicism for what it is. A wicked pagan cult. Please use your brain when replying.

>>275853630Jesus seemed to... I wouldn't contradict Jesus...

>>275857351>>275857109Changed flag by accident.

>>275846358>The Bible doesn't say this>The Bible doesn't say thatThe Bible doesn't say anything, it's a book, a book written by the church. So stop trying to use the bible to denigrate the church. And no, Catholics are not the Church.

>>275846358the trinity is the one GodI cant understand it for youbut good luck blaspheming the Holy Spirit

>>275857540>The Bible doesn't say anything

>>275857540So what is your authority mr. Wise Guy? What is your standard. Go on tell us. Everyone is dying to hear this.

>>275857540>the Bible doesn’t say anything

>>275857554Please provide scripture of the trinity

>>275857207>wants to fuck kidsAh, now it makes sense. It's this type of convert I'm most worried about, who sees Islam as a road to easy child slash. Fucking pathetic. Go to the Middle East, we don't want you.>>275857351Christ arguably gave Peter the responsibility of guiding the new Church. There can be and should only be one apostolic authority. I just don't agree with the Trinity doctrine, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

>>275857803Learned men of the Orthodox persuasion.

>>275856780The Biblical text were inspired by the Holy Spirit at the time they were written in the way they were written. The Hebrew and Greek originals are infallible. Most English translations are mistranslated and therefore wrong in some capacity. Besides, the Bible is by no means a history book and especially the OT is metaphorical in large parts.

>>275857554Saying the Word/Spirit is God is blasphemy. We don't say the Quran, which is also god-breathed according to Muslims, is worthy of worship; Muslims don't worship Mohammed, though they do revere him. We need to step back and re-analyze the faith.

>>275856780Which one?Ill go ahead and assert any english version is automatically wrong. Y'all know the language of the prophet? Or even which language the prophet spoke? Or why there are languages?

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>>275858188Your lack of faith disturbs me, brother>the Bible is fallible>the pope is infallible Don’t you see the problem?

>>275857540>And no, Catholics are not the Church... because my parents are neo post reformation Lutheran.

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>>275858792Deceiver. As if the infalliablity of the text must be lost in translation, as if the Holy Spirit is unable to handle putting the word of God in this language or that. You deny His power

>>275858102>Christ arguably gave Peter the responsibility of guiding the new Church.Yeah and the Lord was there instructing him all the way. Christ literally taught him what to say and teach before he had Done the gospel and a bit after his ressurection. The paul was led by the Holy Spirit and repeatedly given visions and instructions directly from God. I dont know what you are saying here >I just don't agree with the Trinity doctrineMean neither so why are you arguing with me. I teach the Godhead which is biblical see >>275854319

>>275858164So men are your final authority. Well that was pretty much all we needed to hear. Trust your men and see where that takes you. I will continue to trust God’s perfect word and standard.

>>275859009Are you actually a Swede? I know it's off-topic, but you should see this if you haven't already: rt.com/news/498408-swedens-arab-party-responsibility/Dune coons are getting cocky.

>>275859255>I will continue to trust God’s perfect word and standard.Written by men. The Church existed long before Christ's teachings were put to paper.

I converted from Orthodoxy to Eastern Catholicism. I was drawn by the organization, unity, and standardization of Catholicism. I bought the Catechism and everything seems good so far. I finally feel like I belong, after being non-denominational for so long since I stopped being an atheist and was born again.I feel bad because I told someone on 4chan that birth control is not a sin, but I was surprised to learn that both Orthodoxy and Catholicism teach that contraceptives are sinful to use. They encourage Natural Family Planning (NFP) instead (i.e. sex during the infertile period of the wife).

>>275856517iirc, there's no explicit references to there being a trinity but there's a bunch of stuff in the bible that can lead you to believe there is one. i'm not well read enough to take a stance on this

>>275858818The English translation of the Bible is fallible, not the original scripture.Also, Papal infallibility hasn't been part of the Catholic doctrine since the 60s, and rightfully so

>>275857554The holy spirit is God

>>275846358>never read the gospel

>>275859479I considered myself non-denominational even though I was born Orthodox because I didn't feel like I truly could participate, since I'm a native English speaker and cannot comprehend larger words in my ethnic tongue.

>>275847719no you faggot, the catholic church was founded because the bishop of rome likes cock

>>275858998Words mean things, user. Sometimes words have a more specific inference or inplicity and that can be lost in translation. The most obvious example is any bible that reads "thou shalt not kill." The hebrew texts uses the word for murder. You see the similarities but hese words are very different. Murder implies no legal justification. How on earth could a christian engage in armed conflict with an eternal mandate not to end a life?

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>>275846936God is triune. Father, Son, and Spirit

>>275857949>>275858273>>275859553againcant understand it for younor exert the minute will and effort to go get the factsp.s. you cannot blaspheme that which is not deity

>>275859390Yes written by men guided by the Holy Spirit therefore written by God. But see you don’t believe in God’s power to guide people through his Spirit because you don’t believe in God at all. You believe in man. To eternal fire you go.

Most X-chans don't read there own bible.And the ones that do are batshits like OP, that extrapolate metaphors from thier historically altered plagiarized pagan/babylon story book, while simultaneously believing in the end of the world.They use this to get people into drug treatment, most of the die-hards are alchoholic recoveries.

>>275859497Genesis 1:26, John 1:1, 8:58, 10:30, 20:28, just a few off the top of mt head.

>>275847084Says the blind Babylonian sun-god worshiper.

>>275860116oh okay cool

>>275859357I don’t worry about it to much. My nation has turned it’s back on God, you reap what you sow. But i think the catholics will crusade them anyway a bit later on.

" Colossians 2: 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. " This verse is describing Jesus ( God's only begotten Son ) as having the whole fullness of the Godhead? What Godhead? Maybe God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit or as some have chosen to describe as The Trinity. May the Love of Jesus find us all.

Aspects of God as they appear in each plane. Heaven, earth and the mind.

>>275847084This is difficult to accept.

>>275859985And you have such an eye as to discern the man by the alter is not guided by God yet the man at the printing press was?

>>275860116This post alone destroys disinfo kikes, based leaf

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The dogma of no salvation outside of the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church is a stumbling block to me. Can I be Catholic and disagree with that?

>>275859907>He doesn’t have scripture to back up his stance Here i will show you some further proof proving that Jesus is the Father. >John 14 KJV7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.>But the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.Clearly showing us that the Father is the Soul. And was in Jesus Christ.And also:>9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?Jesus saying himself that he is the Father You’ have to understand We are made in the image of God. Body, soul, spirit.

>>275860167this guy gets it

There is one God; The Father and one mediator between God and Man, the son. The Holy spirit dwells in the son and the son abides in the father. The Holy spirit is God.

>>275861220Understanding the truth of this would require council with scholars , monks and hermits.

>>275860392Don’t be smug about the truth. Tell it like it is. The trinity is full on pagan catholic heresy. God is the Godhead Jesus Christ = Body Father = Soul Holy Spirit = Spirit ONE God.

>>275861554Um, neither the Catholic, Orthodox, or mainstream Protestant Churches agree with that. They all believe in the Trinity. The Nicene Creed is the absolute minimum to be a Christian.

>>275860962Yes becuase men pass away but God’s word doesn’t. >Matthew 24:35”35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away”Again you don’t believe in the power of God to perserve his word. God’s word is not a man it is a perfect text. To think that a man on this current earth is the final authority is pure blasphemy. You are no better than a catholic.Get saved.

>>275847357How many persons are bearing witness in John 8:17-18?KJV:>17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.>18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

>>275853440The bible is metaphorical user, and meant to be used as a way of getting closer to God, not to be taken as an account of history.

>>275861440You know what, actually, it doesn't specifically mean only the Catholic Church, but the Church of Christ as a whole.

>>275848275How many persons of Yahweh is in Genesis 19:24?Which two persons were there in Genesis 1:1-2 before anything was created?Why did Jesus say Abraham did not try to kill him when he had seen him? Does this not prove that Jesus was the angel of the Lord that appeared to him that was also called Yahweh in the OT?

>>275862511Amen, brother. A lot of Catholics disagree, though

If the Catholic Church ever caves in and allows female priests or something like that, I'll convert back to Orthodoxy.

>>275851213You don't understand. Jesus Christ is God himself.

>>275862130I pity you, user that believes God only speaks through literature.

>>275846358It was necessary for God to incarnate as human in order to give salvation to humanity. We are eternal souls, God must provide an environment for our conscious being and spiritual essence once we die. He can not abide us being in His presence due to our sins. The punishment for sin is an eternity of separation from God, ie going to Hell. A human man, Jesus Christ, accepted an eternity of punishment for all who would believe in him and confess His name. The ancient creeds literally say "He descended into hell," if He was not fully God and fully man, then He would not have been able to both be a substitute for God's just and necessary punishment and also be able to experience and endure an eternity of hell. He didn't just die on the cross and that was that. When you realize the implications of hell and the immortality of the soul and God's conception of justice, then the fact that Jesus was 100% God and 100% man in order to affect the redemption of mankind is an inescapable conclusion.The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is leavened throughout the old and new Testaments and was experienced first hand by the apostles, first century disciples and early church fathers. This is simply not up for debate.

>>275847357Why did the Father say he loved Jesus before the world was if Jesus is the Father?How as Jesus there before the world was and why does the Father love himself before creation?John 17:5>5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.and why did the Father "send" Jesus if he is Jesus?John 17:25>25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me.

Part of me wants to stay near the city and work my engineering job while a voice in my head is telling me to just go bug out in the woods on some land. Is it not the christian thing to do? to just run away from something that you dont really enjoy, but endure? I dont see societies problems getting better but I feel like I should do my best to help others. At the same time I want to say fuck em and move out inawoods because its all going to go to shit anyways.

>>275861912So who is your authority i Ask again. I have clearly provided scripture for you to see Are catholics your final authority? Are Orthodox your final authority? Do you believe God and his word or traditions of men?

>>275855581You can still build a community fellowship, you don't need anyone between you and the good word.

>>275846358OP is a false prophet.God clearly says he is multiple people in the Bible:Genesis 3:22 KJV[22] And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

>>275863132Thank you for this post, God bless

>>275850315that proves the trinity

>>275846358

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>>275863272Several apostolic churches existed before the New Testament was written. John 1:1 says the Logos (Jesus) is God. The understanding of the Church and John was the Trinity.

>>275851306You're a jew worshiper shut up

>>275863416>lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for everInterestingly, God did not want us to live forever as human beings because he did not want us to eternally live as fleshly beings corrupted by sin.

>>275861554>>275862130>>275861237>>275860350>>275859985>>275859255>>275859009Swedeanon, answer the questions in these posts: >>275862385 >>275863143 >>275862622

>>275850315OMNIPRESENT

>>275861237be seriousyou have acess to googledont be petulantand if Holy Spirit isnt God youve just blasphemed Him

>>275848618>either it's all valid or none of it is.I've always had an issue with this. To me most scripture, written by the dirty hands of man and influenced through multiple re-translations by men with greed and corruption and bias in there hearts should never be assumed as perfect, only God himself is perfect and flawless. Anything touched by humans can be wrong. I believe Gods message and words are to strong for even the most evil of men to fully dilute and thus we have the bible as it is. Where so much of the underlying message makes so much sense but it's shining light is dulled by layers of human shit and power hungry corruption.

>>275864138He won't be able to explain how the Holy Spirit has a mind and "searches" and takes action. I'm hoping he answers the questions above first but I doubt he will and if he does he will worm his way around it like all unitarian heretics.

>>275863251Going innawoods is giving up imo. Go hiking or camping as a hobby instead.

>>275863012God speaks with words, his words. That are written down for us to see his perfect will. >i pity you Do as you wish, eternal hell fire awaits you.

>>275859009Swede, what church organization do you belong to? Was not aware of non-trinitarian christians in Sweden.

>>275864406again again again againcant understand it for you

>>275853013>The Bible said Peter was a pope>The Bible said the catholic church was his churchpick none because both are false

I was visited by the Angel Gabriel on a mushroom trip and was cured by the words of god. My PTSD and phobias as well as my anxiety and depression all disappeared miraculously and I learned forgiveness in my heart. "Greetings, you are truly blessed. Take this gift for what it is. You are favored."I didn't understand it until 13 years later when I accepted Jesus Christ back in my heart. I am blessed and have been awakened in Him.

>>275863132All i am hearing from you are a bunch creeds. Not one scripture to back up your claims that Jesus went to hell or punished för eternity. That is the fastest way to tell if someone is a lost wicked heretic. They never use scripture. They would rather use creeds or fancy words. Get saved

>>275864445the Bible is influencednot dictated

>>275864775Thank you for sharing this story, praise God and His infinite generosity

>>275853751paul is a jew

>>275861237Jesus is not God the Father, they have separate wills and separate bodies and Jesus doesn’t know when the rapture is and no man has seen God the Father’s face at any time but many have seen Jesus’s

I've learned two important lessons on Holla Forums from experience..."And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them.”and "If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you."

>>275865155He is not a Jew.He is of the Tribe of Benjamin, not Judah.Romans 11:1>“I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”

>>275860116>mt head

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>>275863987None of those things disprove what i said. Let the scriptures speak for themselves. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?>Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?

>>275865040Amen

>>275865621Paul was an Israelite by blood and he was a Pharisee (progenitor of modern Judaism) for some time. Paul's parents were Pharisees.[1][2] Also Paul's Pharisee teacher and President of the Sanhedrin, Gamaliel, holds a reputation in the Talmud for being one of the greatest teachers in all the annals of Judaism.[3] Hillel the Elder, a previous President of the Sanhedrin and Grandfather of Gamaliel, was known as the highest authority among the Pharisees. Both Gamaliel and Hillel descended from Israelite tribes of Judah (Jesus' tribe) and Benjamin (Paul's tribe).[4][1] biblehub.com/acts/22-3.htm biblehub.com/philippians/3-5.htm biblehub.com/romans/9-3.htm[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees[3] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel#In_Jewish_tradition[4] geni.com/people/Hillel-Hazaken-The-Elder-President-The-Sanhedrin/6000000001288370396hes a jew.a seed of abraham

>>275865390>raptureBy the way, what do you think about this? I think the rapture is essentially the same as the resurrection.

>>275865644>zero answers to any of the questionsSpoken like a true heretic.Repent user. This debate ended literally over 1000 years ago. Your God and mine is triune.

>>275864861Matthew 12:40 KJV[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.Acts 2:31 KJV[31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

>>275864503>Swede, what church organization do you belong to?See: >>275856095

>>275865819We are resurrected with Christ, that is the redemption of our bodies, when we die our souls are instantly in heaven, those who are saved who are still alive are lifted up into the air and are taken alive to heaven (eg like Enoch and Elijah)

>>275846358Amen! God bless you brother.

>>275865939Because i cannot answer something that doesn’t refute anything i said.

>>275866255>I cannot answer somethingHahahahahahaYou sure can't

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>>275863132The doctrine of the Trinity isn't even derived from Christ's own words. There are inferences, but they're too vague to be anything definite.

>>275866383"How good and pleasant it iswhen God’s people live together in unity!">Psalm 133:1"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law(Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.">Matthew 5:17That's your favourite Jew Jesus talking."I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.">1 Corinthians 1:10"Live in (((harmony))) with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight.">Romans 12:16"For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.">Corinthians 12:13OY VEY We all have one body goy. Blacks and whites are equal in the eyes of God. Why don't you want them to flood your country Christcuck?"By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”>John 13:35Love each other Goy you are all children of God. Why do you have a problem with Niggers fucking white women goy?Keep crying Christcuck. Whites are not buying your shit anymore

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>>275866788You are fucked in the head, sorry.

>>275864400Yeah, I heard someone describe it once as being 'inspired' by the Holy Spirit, as opposed to directly transcribed. That interpretation makes the most sense to me.

>>275849686what? where did you get this??" 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all people. "There is no other. You don't need anyone else to have an access God.

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>>275867391Yeah, you really are, but you don't have to be.

>>275867563sure, jew worshiper

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>>275862385>How many persons are bearing witness in John 8:17-18?See how you twist the scripture you wicked devil. It never says persons, yet you add ”persons” to it just like your father the devil added unto God’s word.Jesus (body/son) bears witness of himself and the father (soul) bears witness of his son/body. But i see that you decided to add persons beforehand like a good little jesuit.>>275863143He loved his own body? What is so hard to understand.>>275862622Again you are adding ”persons” over and over. We can clearly see who the deceiving heretic here is.

>>275867652You attack children? What do you believe in?

>>275867843you worship a jew.biblehub.com/luke/3-33.htm>the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judahbiblehub.com/hebrews/7-14.htm>For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judahbiblehub.com/luke/4-15.htm>He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.biblehub.com/john/1-11.htm>He came to his own people, and even they rejected him.His own people aka Jews.biblehub.com/john/4-22.htm>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.Samaritans aka Gentiles.JESUS WAS A JEW.

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>>275866362Feel pround and strong in your deciet. You Add to the word like your father the devil. I replied.

>>275867936The discord shills are here with their stale pastas

>>275867307whoops, I replied to the wrong person. I meant to reply to the user saying that denying the popes meant denying JESUS.This is not true. priests, popes, bishops, cardinals, pastors, imams, prophets.... are ORDINARY MEN. They, like any other, are sinners and are destined for hell except for when they put their faith in the salvation provided by the Lord JESUS' sacrifice.DO NOT put any faith in any man nor any religious leader. When it comes to your eternal destiny, only One can save us.... JESUS.

>>275868057ok jew worshiper

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>>275867936I know Jesus was a Jew you blabbering idiot. When did I deny that? What is your faith?

>>275866788Where in those quotes did Jesus order his followers to spread their daughters' ass-cheeks to accomodate black bulls?

>>275867652Is this really the only thing shills have? This "jew worshipper" shit?

>>275868340Yes, actually. I've been here a long time.

>>275868299Pro-Semitism in the New TestamentIn the Gospels:Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38 emphasize that Jesus was Jewish and a descendent of David.Matthew 10:5-6 - Jesus instructs the disciples to take the Gospel to the Jews first, not the Gentiles.Matthew 15:21-28 - Jesus tells a Gentile woman that he was sent to save the Jews first.The Jews are far from being the only ones involved in Christ's persecution and crucifixion. Pilate let Jesus be crucified despite realizing his innocence (Mk 15:9-15) and the Roman soldiers mocked and persecuted Jesus, as well as doing the actual crucifying (Mt 27:27-31, Lk 23:11, 35-37).John 4:22 - "Salvation is from the Jews" (i.e. from Jesus, David's descendant).In Acts:4:27 - Herod, Pilate and the Gentiles in Jerusalem (not just the Jews) conspired against Jesus.11:1-18 - In the account of Peter and Cornelius, the Jews are amazed that God is merciful enough to save "even the (unclean) Gentiles."14:1, 17:10-12 - Paul follows Jesus' model of going to the Jews first, and many Jews accept Jesus as the Messiah.In the Pauline Epistles:Romans 1:16 - Salvation is "first for the Jew, then for the Gentile".Romans 9:1-5 - Paul (who is Jewish) describes his desire for the Israelites to receive Christ and the honors the Israelites have received, including that Jesus' human ancestry was through them.Romans 11:1-24 - Paul warns the Gentiles against boasting, comparing them to wild olive branches and the Jews to cultivated olive branches.Romans 11:28 - Even those Jews who reject Christ are to be "loved on account of the patriarchs."Romans 15:27 - "For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings."Galatians 2:7-9 - At least three of the apostles had a specific ministry to the Jews.Galatians 2:11-13 - Rather than an anti-Semitic prejudice, the early church had if anything a pro-Semitic prejudice.

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>>275868057He obviously has his post prepared ahead of time.

>>275868340>>275868475uuuh ok

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>>275867819>See how you twist the scripture you wicked devill. It never says persons, yet you add ”persons”So men are not persons? Men do not have person? How does something that is being but doesn't have person able to witness? Something that is being without a person is an object, but something able to witness is personal, this is a person.>He loved his own body? What is so hard to understand.Where does it say he loved his own body? It says BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE. His body did not even exist. >Again you are adding ”persons” over and over.See above.These questions are the same questions that those who were debating this were asking to make sense of these types of passages which if it weren't for the trinity, would make Yahweh look schizophrenic.Your answers are cope at best, and anyone with a brain can see it. Sounds like these passages are new to you, I suggest you go back and study some more and come out of your false heretic doctrine from Satan.Good luck, and may the triune God, the only creator God that exists, guide you out of your heresy before you end up in hell.

>>275868626Yeah, doing research and understand your jew worship from experience kind of leads to having proof you are wrong.. Kinda like how christkikes always seem prepared.... weird.... how that is..

>>275868657>an objectan object or anything that has being (existence)

>>275868632Dilate your infected crotch wound.

You guys do know that there is more than one god right?

>>275868816You post this shit in every thread, discord trannies seething

>>275868840yeah sure jew worshiper

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>>275846671Fpbp

>>275868982oh ya real seething uh huh jew worshiper

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>>275868657Christ -- as THE WORD -- can be eternal WITHOUT ascribing deity to him. Even Muslims think he was the Word.

Fuck JEWS Fuck oP fuck jEWS and fuck all of the boomers that believe Jews are gods chosen people. It’s the biggest and longest scam in history and yet a certain tribe/cult baits is all.

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>>275869187Do you mean the Messiah? Are you aware of what Logos means?

>>275869346Tranny #2 has entered the chat

>>275869140Low quality posts and stale pastas fool no one tranny, you disgust me

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>>275868657>His body did not even exist.I should add, "according to your Unitarian heresy."

>>275869464>>275869530

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>>275864861John 1:1 "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"Jesus is the Word. Jesus is God. There are other passages that establish the Personhood and Divinity of the Holy Spirit. We see the imprimatur of the Holy Trinity at the birth of Christ in Scripture, at His Baptism when the Father claims Jesus as His beloved Son and the Holy Spirit descends upon Him in the form of a dove, and we are told to baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit (notice it does not say "baptize in the names of"). There is one God yet three clear manifestations, thus the doctrine of the Holy Trinity was the inevitable conclusion that Christian thought was guided towards, and guided by the Holy Spirit Himself nonetheless.John 1:3 goes on to say that nothing was made that was made without Him making it. The Word of God is the very causative power of God. How could the Word be created if the Word is necessary and sufficient for any act of creation by God? If the Word is uncreated He must literally be God.1 Cor 2:11 "... no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God"God is omniscient thus the set of His thoughts are infinite and require the Holy Spirit be infinite and omniscient as well.As has been mentioned in other CGTs, Christ did not leave us with a Bible, He left us with His Church. It is foolish to dismiss the work of the early Church fathers and doctors.You say I need to get saved user, I ask you, saved from what? If it is eternal punishment then you must respond to my argument above, that in order for our salvation to make sense in a biblical context we must accept the Divinity of Christ as was best articulated at the council of Chalcedon. Even the Jews believe in hell, this is why they hate Jesus so much because deep down they know He is God and they are in rebellion against the fulfilment of God's covenant with mankind.

>>275869381Yes, he's both, technically.

>>275863551Thank you too user, God Bless.