UK Army wants to stop having tanks

Brits be like "we are an island, who's gonna invade us, cheeriooooo">>275834165Pakis built nukes

>>275833918Churchill must be rolling around in his grave.Not even a hundred years ago Britain ruled over even fucking India and now they are about to not even have tanks in their army anymore.

>>275831653>Lmao what the fuck are you teaniggers thinking?the pakis can only safely use knives as weapons

Getting rid of your tanks is a smart move before the Anglo-Zionist Jewish Empire can send your army to go die in Eastern Europe fighting Russia over Belarus or Ukraine or Latvia or some other shit hole that is ethnically, culturally and linguistically already basically Russian.

>>275831653our armed forces used to be beloved.. but then they swallowed a big woke pill and turned into a laughing stock with their sensitivity training and diversity quotas. hell they even allow fucking women to try and join the fucking SAS these days. it's all gone to shit.

>>275834076they are very useful against infantry/light vehicles and in an offensive capacity; sounds like UK does not foresee needing to invade mainlaind europe?

>>275833945Kek, we don't have to, fellow burger. Their Trident II missiles are made by Lockheed in California and as of February of this year, Boris agreed they'd retire their warheads and use Raytheon's. The missiles are literally lent out of the US Navy's pool. I'm sure we have a kill switch. That and we could just take them back whenever we wanted.

>>275834699>hell they even allow fucking women to try and join the fucking SAS these days.no fucking way

What's the point of tanks when faster, lighter vehicles with amour-piercing canons and ATGMs that can tear apart enemy tanks can be more numerous on the battlefield?

>>275834925yea, it's unfortunately true. they changed the rules in 2018 to allow women to enter any and all branches of our military including SAS. i'm sure those lads were over the moon when they heard.

>>275835272>faster, lighter vehicles with amour-piercing canons and ATGMs that can tear apart enemy tanks can be more numerous on the battlefield?Bradley IFV burns after being hit by Iraqi T-72 tank fire during the Battle of 73 Easting, February 1991

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>>275834475Hans has the only based reply as usual.>>275835272That's not how it works, tanks can take way more of a beating especially with modern developments like reactive armour and active protection systems, plus composite armours have evolved to the point you need to use kinetic penetrators to destroy tanks.

>>275834245This. Europeans are pathetic parasites. We saw this with the EU. We had to pay all their defense spending and we have to defend their shit for them, all so they can complain that we do it.>>275834407The Labour Party and fucking Attlee tore Britain apart after. He was the one that created a welfare state, nationalization of industries and utilities that led to things like your fucking TV license and state-sponsored propaganda "news channel", decolonization, handing over land to communists, and other general buggery.

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>>275835580>1991>Not talking about the vehicles coming into service that are making the tanks redundant

>>275835272because tanks provide absolutely excellent support/protection for infantry units that are still required and we've had nukes for years. you need boots on the ground to hold locations so tanks are still essential for a conventional war.

>>275835980The vehicles coming in to service are variants of the Bradley and LAV and are using the same TOW missiles they used in 1991

>>275834407Churchill was a Zionist stooge. He probably knew what was coming.>>275834475This German knows.

>>275831653Genius!

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>>275835555>women>special forcesOnly if you lower the physical standards dramatically. The vast majority of fit men cannot make it through special forces training. No woman on Earth can.

>>275835555Rabbits vs Bison

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>>275835555Witnessed

>>275835980>Not talking about the vehicles coming into service that are making the tanks redundantExamples?

>>275831653Can you tell me why they need tanks anymore? Its full of Muslims and soon about 3 million Hong Kong Chinese.

>>275835555Digits of depression

>>275836095>The vehicles coming in to service are variants of the Bradley and LAV and are using the same TOW missiles they used in 1991We're talking about the UK Army.

>>275836232Holy fuck...

>>275834407It was fucking Churchill’s fault that we gave up the empire in the first place.

>>275836522And you bongs use a Bradley variant

>>275836095Never heard of Boxer

>>275831653Montgomery would be so proud of what the British Army has become.

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>>275836664>It was fucking Churchill’s fault that we gave up the empire in the first place.It was our ancestors fault to entrust a jew

>>275835272Ok so you win the battle then invade the cities. Tanks are useful for urban warfare, when a lighter vehicle is a sitting cuck.

>>275837483>Tanks are useful for urban warfareMaybe in a levelled uninhabitable city in 1944, we've all seen the syrian footage of tanks being sitting cucks too. Warfare will look more like the Falklands than the Gulf war.

>>275831653The USMC is also in the process of getting rid of their tanks. Face it bros tank on tank warfare is a thing of the past, the future is drones and then Ai death-bots.

>>275836776What the fuck are you talking about? The new vehicles were designed from the ground up by the UK, and some with European countries.

>>275836232>World war 1The sequel was better anyway, can't wait to see how the trilogy ends.

>>275836237true. i'm not sure how they will have to change the selection process for it but there is no way they'll be allowed to do to the women what they do to the men without someone screeching about brutality etc..express.co.uk/news/uk/1236551/sas-news-special-forces-women

>>275831653if all you do is urban warfare against sandniggers tanks are a waste of money, and the uk doesn't have enough tanks to make any difference in a war they'd be used in vs america/russia/china, which still means they're a waste of money.

>>275831653Sad!

>>275839212That's too fucked up, they must be so stupid that they believe the enemy will treat women different when shot, except rape in worst of cases.

>>275841512yea they don't seem to think that far ahead. they just want to be seen as 'look at us, we're diverse and women stronk!'. they too busy patting themselves on the back to worry about reality.

>>275841512The enemy will treat the women differently.They'll rape them to death

>>275831653In a world with hypersonic missiles tanks are useless, they’d be slaughtered and not even see what killed them.

>>275836232The british are dogshit in land, the only reason they exist is cuz they're an island nation, if they were in continental europe the krauts would roll them in a month.

>>275834076>unless you are some shitty 3rd world countrySOLD!

>>275831653Then they should close their fucking legs

>>275842698In a world with guns knives are useless, nobody has been stabbed since guns were invented.

>>275843156>1 post by this id>false equivalence Have a (you)

People aren't smart enough to operate or maintain them anymore.

>>275831653tanks are useless now. we have drone guided mortars. a 4 man mortar team and drone operator can take out 20 tanks in 20 minutes from 6 miles.

>>275831653OI M8 YOU NEED A LOICENCE FO' THE TANKS!

>>275834076.to be fair though, tanks are pretty obsolete in modern warfare.. unless you are some shitty 3rd world country.....so then why aren't you keeping them?

>>275831653>the military wont be used against the citizenry under than mandate of international banking.Cool story bro.

Tanks need infantry support and vice versa.Tanks by themselves are casualties waiting to happen as seen when Russia used only tanks to invade Georgia.

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>>275834766Wow this guys played at least 200 hours of call of duty, just look at his knowledge of warfareIdiot.

>>275835272Because ATGM's are more expensive than tank main gun shells.>>275836776Only Bradley derived vehicle that has been export success are pic related, those arr also only Bradley derived vehicles in British Army inventory. So there are two Bradley variants.

>>275831653Tanks are Pakiphobic.

>>275844653Fugg :D forgot the damn picture.

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fun british tank story.."During the 2003 invasion of Iraq the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to enemy fire, although one was penetrated by an IED. This was, at the time, unprotected by Dorchester armour. The driver was injured. In one encounter within the urban area a Challenger 2 came under attack from irregular forces with machine guns and rocket propelled grenades. The driver's sight was damaged and while attempting to back away under the commander's directions, the other sights were damaged and the tank threw its tracks entering a ditch. It was hit directly by fourteen rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived remaining safe within the tank until the tank was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later after repairs."there is another story of another Challenger 2 being hit by 70 RPGs and surviving, but i think that's probably a load of bs..news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2905817.stm

>>275837992In a modern conventional warfare, armies still need battletanks and assault tanks in motorized brigades to be the spearhead of the army. Especially during attack and counter-attack.Western world has forgotten how to fight in conventional warfare without definite air and/or signal superiority. USA and UK for example has fought last few decades against camel shepherds with AKs, so no wonder you're little rusty in the tank warfare. Finnish conscripts has beaten many times during last few years USMC, US Army, Norwegians etc. in international NATO exercises and our own Finnish exercises.

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>>275831653well it was either a boat or tanks.

>>275831653When I was driving around the UK last year I saw a sign that said tank crossing. Pic related, based as fuck

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They are getting rid of them because the UK Army doesn’t have a license for a tank

>>275831653Even better, they could privately sell them to us British citizens of opressed minority.

>>275831653National fucking Interest blog post and forbes quoting said NI blog post. Ayy lmao.

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>>275835555Maybe you can use them when you raid Missy Bin Laden and her 40 social media terrorists

>>275833945>>275834165we are still 92% white.what % are you again?

>>275839212>>true. i'm not sure how they will have to change the selection process for it but there is no way they'll be allowed to do to the women what they do to the men without someone screeching about brutality etc..Same way Americans managed to get women first into infantry, then into rangers and special forces. By drastically lowering the standards.

>>275846219hehehe don't give them ideas

>>275834699they are letting/and or considering letting women into the US SF pipeline. i don't care about political correctness obviously but there is no place for a woman in a battlefield other than at a base cooking or practicing medicine. Doesn't matter how badass of a bitch we're talking the second they get shot that entire unit is going to crumble and collapse to white knight her instead of doing their job.

>>275846262you were 87% according to the 2011 census, prob more like 70% white now, not even trolling

>>275831653Where are you fucks getting this information of >Muh tanks are obsolete>Muh aircraft carriers are obsolete Why is the entire world still building them if they're obsolete? Where are you getting your information? Genuinely curious.

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>>275831653Don't need them.All it takes is a few Prods to fuck the fenians up and any country that we'd need tanks to fight would end us anyway.

>>275846690>87% to 70% in 9 yearsThis is ur NA brain in full action.

>>275846940Literally sour grapes

>>275846597The military is becoming more and more cucked. I wouldn't care if they were letting women in as long as they weren't watering down the standards, but they are. I heard they were or maybe already did get rid of the full gear including pack swim test in the SFAS because it was too difficult for a group of individuals not inclined towards water.

>>275831653>Lmao what the fuck are you teaniggers thinking?

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>>275845646Really? Because when I was in Norway for TRJE-15 we wiped the floor with the Finns, Swedes, and Norwegians. They owned the forests so we just avoided them altogether and went around. Whenever we actually engaged we would annihilate them and take tons of EPWs unironically it was the Canadians, specifically the royal 22nd regiment, that fought the hardest. The Danish were also tough fighters but they were again similar to the rest of the Scandinavians, being conscript forces hamstrung by a lack of equipment and infrastructure. The Germans were absolutely awful, the French were pretty good, and the British were a mixed bag. Maybe things have changed in the 5 years since but probably not.

>>275831653Could well be a ploy to squeeze money out of the government.I hope...

>>275834076How? Really the only way to destroy tanks is with high explosives

>>275846477>>275846597true. there was an interesting article, i can't find at the moment, by an ex special forces guy and his argument against it was something along the lines of all the woke people think women serving on the front lines is a great idea until videos of dead women soldiers start appearing on the news/internet. he was saying that dead women soldiers would be hailed as joan of arc, so brave, a hero, etc by the media and public... all while dead male troops are mostly ignored by all except their close family. and i thought that was a good point.

>>275834424>the pakis can only safely use knives as weaponsDon't forget acid attacks.

>>275831653>Anglomnesia

>>275848269Don’t need to destroy a tank to make it useless.

>>275833769>Forgot the Carlos pic there, m8stop pushing latin americans in the anglosphere, silly alien

>>275838129The new vehicles are literally a 30 year old CV90 from Sweden and a Mowag Pirahna rehash that BAe have botched with some semi functional modifications and neither vehicle has a defined role that it can fill appropriately, standard fare shit MOD procurement after a good run of buying foreign stuff off the shelf, and not having some domestic company break it, for afghan that actually worked, Challenger is obsolete, the UK can't produce new ammo for the gun (which cant defeat modern Russian armour) and they're running out of surplusThe current generation of diversity hires who went through watered down civil servant training are fucked if they ever have to fight

>>275847236to go from 87% to 70% you need to get 25% more hominids packed onto your rainy little socialist islandsince you initially had 35 million people packed like sardines there and 4 million migrants come to Europe every year, you only needed to attract a quarter of the incoming migrants to Europe with your generous welfare payments and middle school grooming opportunities

>>275831653Wait, did England do any new trade with Japan recently?

>>275831653US is doing the same according to a Marine Captain I talked to.

>>275831653UK will officially become the caliphate in 3, 2, 1...

>>275832284Yep. This money would be better spent on another super mosque and some more loud speakers for prayer time.

>>275844644What a compelling point you've made! Give yourself a handjob, you earned it!

>>275831653They can’t afford them because they are too poor after Brexit ahaha, idiots.

>>275831653it time for walking tanks lads or should i say a metal gear

>>275831653youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4OoPNY_YMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4OoPNY_YMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4OoPNY_YMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4OoPNY_YMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4OoPNY_YM

>>275849397>4 million migrants come to Europe every yearBro are mutts this retarded on general or its just this one?

>>275849561Marines are which is utterly retarded. The corps likewise is filled with dum dums. Scrapping tanks, scrapping the EFV, botching AAV and LAV upgrades, etc.I get that HQMC is trying to make us Leaner and Meaner but holy shit scrapping armor ain’t it chief, especially given how our two biggest peers (Russia and China) have armor out the wazoo.Lol imagine the shock of HQMC when they realize the Chinese marines will counterattack with heavy armor, and all we’ll have are a couple of Italian LAV knockoffs with .50 cals that can barely float let alone swim the 50 miles over the horizon from an LPD/LSD to shore at high speeds.

I'm sure there were people bitching about getting rid of heavy cavalry and ironclads ships too.

>>275847895During Norwegian multinational exercise Cold Response 2016, Finnish mechanized Jaeger Battalion (consisting Finnish conscripts) that was operating under Swedish Brigade, managed to impact very serious casualties to Norwegian Telemark Battalion (consists of prof. soldiers) in a delay battle. Lt. Colonel Nurmela said to the media that: "...To our delight we managed to gain the upper hand many times.."In Arrow 16 which is a Finnish Armys Mechanized exercise, Finnish tank forces (against US European Army 2. Cavalry Regiment) were unbelieveably superior in many tank battle tactics or operating in conventional warfare. Such as radio/signal silence during movement (for example starting moving without using any comms using only hand signals.), camouflaging, operating under air threat etc.

>>275831653UK army cant afford tanks.

>>275831653Doesn't this make civil war easier?

>>275831653Haven't light pick-ups been proven to be far better weapons for modern warfare? Why do you even need a big tank if you can just zoom around in a toyota with an AA launcher in the back. You could have that toyota be a hybrid and now it burns even less gas too. Or just slow roll around in the dead of night with blacked out electrics that don't make any light, heat, or noise while you're moving.

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>>275852325Not really. For example the Challenger 2 during the last dust up in the sand pit received multiple direct hits from anti tank missiles and none were destroyed. A toyota can't even take small arms fire.

>>275831653Tanks are useless against guerilla forces which is what most modern armies are facing nowadays. Have you not seen all the videos of Russian t-72s getting owned by rebels with just rocket launchers. Or look at the disaster that Grozny was.

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>>275831653Sadly they are pretty much obsolete. No sense spending money to win a war that happened 80 years ago.

>>275852325>>275852634And before you say "well then militarise them".Like our ill-fated "Snatch" land rovers? Deathtraps.

>>275852817see>>275852634

>>275835272Tanks will be harder to kill in the future tho

>>275852878They're death traps because they're land rovers. Just make them all toyotas. A prius would be a better war vehicle than any land rover.

isn't it all drones and aircraft now though, fucked if i know because i'm not some armchair military larping /k/ommando faggotUS / China could win wars simply by being the first to strike and bombing another countries infrastructure to pieces using aircraft you can't see coming that flies so high you can't even detect it, so what's the point of tanks anywayalso is the challenger II still a decent tank or has it been surpassed yet? i remember it being almost indestructable

>>275835272>Fast, armored vehicle with multi-purpose cannon>Bro what's the point why don't we just send people in with dirt bikes and rocket launchers?

>>275853349It depends on how good the weapons are that specifically target tech and communications. All of that fire and forget from 19 miles away shit might be a thing of the past if all of its electronics were no longer reliable in combat.

>>275853318No they are death traps because mines and IEDs absolutely shred light vehicles. This being why we upgraded to MRAPs.

>>275834076>>275835272Challenger 2's are most certainly at least the 2nd most obsolete NATO tank. How are you supposed to deal with enemy tanks. There has always existed an arms race between tanks. Thicker armour, guns with better penetration. Modern tanks can shrug off ATGM's like nothing now days with ERA and Active protection systems. America uses some top attack ATGM's, but even those have questionable effectiveness and their age is showing, especially TOW 2B. ATGM's aren't that effective in offensive operations as well. They have greater range, but fly slower than a APFDS projectile. If a tank has a laser warning system and it gets lased by an ATGM, there is enough time to respond because ATGM's are slow, enough time to actually shoot and destroy the target before the ATGM hits.The UK, aka the country that doesn't believe in suppression of enemy air defenses, should be the one country that focuses more on ground superiority in order to overwhelm the enemy. Even if America can claim muh air superiority to deal with enemy armour, during the gulf war, the decisive action was the armour engagement, which resulted in greater losses of enemy armour within one day than the entirety of the air campaign which lasted several months.

>>275852012>Finns overwhelm an qualitatively and quantitatively inferior force as compared to Marines in a completely unrelated engagement>Finnish tankers camo up and don’t utilize normal commsAs opposed to US where such a point is moot as everything is already data linked in real time via BattleNet. I would certainly hope the Finns are better at operating under air threat given that they lack air dominance and would almost certainly not have the skies clear during normal operations.What I would like to see most would be reports on small/large unit tactics, infantry support, recon and overwatch, combined arms tactics, etc. AARs and the like from either the US or the ilmavoimat.

>>275848582The introduction of females into submarines was epic shit show for RN. Pic related. This lieutenant ended up fucking skipper and berating other crew members while drunk and wearing skippers jacket. The other female submarine officer ended up fucking first officer. So two careers ended.

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>>275831653 stfu we don't care we are the sons and daughters....

>>275831653The battlefield is changing, the Dutch and Americans are ditching them too. ‘Earlier this year, the United States Marine Corps also announced it would retire all of its tanks and a third of its tube artillery within ten years as it transforms to a leaner, more amphibious-focused fighting force.‘

>>275832284We would rather deport all of them actually but you know how ‘democracy’ works.

>>275855542The USMC is only one part of the US military (roughly equivalent to our Royal Marines). The US army have no plans that I am aware of to scrap their tanks.

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>>275846262No country with more than 1% Muslims should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. It's too much of a risk for humanity.

>>275856100Also the USA is so big so if they reduce their total amount of tanks to save up cost they can instantly make more if they declare war against germany.

>>275834291pakis also have poo in loos breathing down their necks

this is not the end of the world, this is now, calm down...

>>275831653The self hate is making me sick. It literally makes me sick and I'm not joking.

>>275856974let them, stop falling for the bait.

>>275856974i honestly could not give a fuck

>>275854230>As opposed to US where such a point is moot as everything is already data linked in real time via BattleNet.What happens when you don't have the advantage of modern communication technology? For example when your comms are being jammed? The operation cannot halt even if the comms are down.> I would certainly hope the Finns are better at operating under air threat given that they lack air dominance and would almost certainly not have the skies clear during normal operations.We have that tradition. That's why every single tank crew in training has to be able to change positions halt to on the move without comms.And to the lack of air superiority, that's not so sure prediction to the Finnish war time. Our potential allys, our quality Air Force (F-18's are still good and our pilots are world class), the question who's the enemy etc. defines who's in charge in our skys.>What I would like to see most would be reports on small/large unit tactics, infantry support, recon and overwatch, combined arms tactics, etc. AARs and the like from either the US or the ilmavoimat.Well I can't provide those, especially official ones.

>>275831653The Ukraine War showed tanks are still needed.This is absolutely retarded.youtu.be/14LMmBsDw-g

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took my phone battery, that's how i know.

>>275835272Because new tanks can shrug off ATGMs easily and many light fast vehicles are being raped by tank fire and artillery.

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>>275831653>memeflag upset that britain doesn't want something useless to their defenseHmm I wonder who could be behind such a post.

no battery no phone not buying a new one, don't care.

>>275831653>just create air superiority and the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.

>>275834076This, when robots are used for war they will be one rpg away from kaboom land.

>>275855161jesus. it's madness. :/

>>275832345GG I see what you did here

>>275831653i am not a military fag, but i wouldn't think tanks would be much use defending a small island in the modern age.

>>275831653>National interestNow I hate Anglos as much as the next yankee faggot and more, but this publication is as Neocon as it gets, I think some Yanks wanted to circle jerk together at how thye are subordinating the UK to a mere supporting position.

>>275857470Forgot to add>That's why every single tank crew in training has to be able to change positions halt to on the move without comms.In Finland every tank crew has to be able to do this, otherwise you fail to become a tank crew in qualification tests.

>>275856630>if they declare war against germany.against this china this wouldnt work?

>>275834766>they are very useful against infantry/light vehicles and in an offensive capacityHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Is that why youve been able to defeat the taliban and the Feyadeen with their pkms and shitty toyotas?

>>275848582Can be good for propaganda shit. If US have some womans raped during Vietnam war, maybe they would have the public with them.

>>275835929>We had to pay all their defense spendingAS if the Jews pulling the strings of your walmart scooter driving ass gave Europe a chance at spending their own for defense. Hell the richest in Europe is Germany, and the laws YOU God forsaken mutts made is that they cant issue military units with uncle Shmuel's approval since you goblins are at a state of war with them till this minute

>>275858342how many toyotas survive a hit from a tank? how many tanks survive a hit from a toyota?

>>275831653Hope the IRA get some and try to finish the job

>>275855161What's the matter sailor? You've never seen a major use a shower before?

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>>275831653Tanks are last century. War is now cyber, germ, and economic.

>>275858838You're an idiot.

Are tanks still useful in modern warfare? Isn't it better to invest in drones?

>>275835980The Mutt retardation honestly knows no bounds.>>275836095Jesus fuck just STAHP>The sequel was better anywayYou Soulless profilgate golems ruined> how the trilogy endsWith you people being irrelevant>>275842489Brits just let more Niggers and pakis in, arent you the mutts who did that in the 60s AND have lower selction requirements just to have more whamen and trannies? I havent seen a british tranny soldier yet, but I have seen many American trannies "serving" that trump had to pass a law banning them from combat

>>275858899He's not tanks are useless until they remove the crew. They're too easy to penetrate now, the tanks are operable, but the crew isn't taking the vehicle out of order. They should have been redesigned crewless making them smaller/quicker/more heavily armored and drone operated. It was actually for easier to do and earlier than aerial combat drones but the military saw no value in it.

>>275843156Yes, which is why, governments STILL spend exponentially more on the guns, than on the knives. Hell, I dodnt know about mutts, but rarely any self respecting soldier uses govt issued bayonets, they buy their own gerbers, ka bars or use none at all

>>275831653tanks have been made redundant by homemade drones. In the fight against ISIS and other takfiris they've learned to use small commercially available drones to drop payloads on the top of tanks where the armor is weak. You can spend $500 to take out a $4 million tank. Tanks were originally invented to deal with trenches and other fortified positions but they're close to becoming redundant technology.

>>275858612How many tanks are actually able to hit a toyota, without relying on their MGs. And when it comes to toyotas, they have recoil less rifles AND RPGS, so if it can find the right spot in the abrams, it takes one to two shots. Ask the yemenis

>>275858899Wtf why did Britain abandon horses, don't they know that horses were a key military resource in the colonisation of Australia, NZ, Africa, and the Americas?? Why on earth would those Britcucks retire their military horsies????

>>275858947No. It's why they stopped using tanks in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Local guerilla groups have drone making factories and literally are spending $500 on materials to put tanks that cost $4 million out of action. Drones are where it's at. I'm not even talking predator and reaper drones, the military is going to have to invest in shit that flies low and navigates buildings

>>275859284They are redundant. When the same thing that can take out a $4m tank will also take out a kitted up humvee, but the humvee costs$250k you have to make a real good argument on what that tank is giving you in return and generally you can't.

>>275859376the abrams can hit a toyota while both it and the truck are on the move retard.

>>275854230The thing here is that US military basically stopped practicing conventional war tactics for decade and half and all training is geared towards killing illiterate goat fuckers.

>>275835272> what's the point of jets when manpads exist?Tanks are used to deny area, protect infantry, act as mobile bunkers, etc etc. Molotovs, sticky bombs on tracks, RPGs, Panzerfausts and etc etc have been things since forever, I don't think the tank is obsolete yet nor will it ever be. We're just in a weird period until someone finds out something that makes drones useless or whatever.

>>275858899he's actually right. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen have all showed how useless tanks are in modern warfare. The Yemenis have taken out 150+ Abrams tanks with modern drones and RPG's. The Syrian government has lost fuck knows how many of Russia's best tanks. They require way too much investment for lot drones can do. The future of warfare are small commercial drones

>>275852817Tanks are unironically one of the best weapons against gorilla forces, they have to assemble all this equipment just to kill 1 tank, it's a logistical nightmare for them. Name something better than a tank for it, airstrikes work but they're insanely expensive and you still need someone to spot for them. Drones are expensive. Tanks provide infantry with support, when infantry has to worry about tanks rolling around they can't fight other infantry as well.

>>275857470>what do you do when comms go downIf comms go down we switch to backups. It’s not as if EW is a multispectrum domain and not some monolithic form of warfighting.>we have that traditionGood, such tactics benefit the defender enormously. Fire and maneuver, fire and maneuver. Ad Infinitum. As for >>275858255, I’m not a tanker just a lowly 03 series but I would assume our guys also receive training in moving and shooting without comms, as grunts well train that way as a last resort. Our mantra is not only relying on our technology, but utilizing and exploiting it so thoroughly that it becomes impossible for the enemy to completely deny us access due to multiple layers of redundancy at play. For example, the B-2 utilizes four flight control computers even though it only needs one to be combat effective. The reason why there are so many additional pieces of equipment is quite simple: redundancy.>the question who's the enemy etc. defines who's in charge in our skiesThen that’s not air dominance let alone air supremacy to begin with. As an aside, I have no doubt pilots of the Finnish Air Force are hot shit and with Russia always breathing down their necks it’s no wonder why. God forbid a group of Fencers lazily trucking in a corridor to and from southern Finland get yoinked by a flight of hornets firing spamraams that disappear as soon as they arrive. Even worse if Finland buys the Gripen, and god help Russia if Finland buys the F-35.As for the AARs I don’t think any of us have access at least right now so put that one on the back burner until later.

>>275859781Its too fucking slow wwhen the toyota is spinning circles on oan open terrain desert retard. Hell the driver would have enough time to toss a block of C$ and call it a day before the slowass turret will be able to target him>>275859424THIS THIS THIS FFS AMERICANS ARE RETARDED

>>275858947No>US govt spends billions each year making more tanks as a jobs program/defense contractor payoff>never go to war, park em in the california/Arizona desert and let em grow cobwebs>when the next model comes out, resell the older models to allied despots at a loss, with the ununderstanding that the new tanks would outclass the old onesYou don't need tanks to fight durkas in the desert, and conventional war where you'd need tanks is irrelevant with nukes available.

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>>275853995Is fucking irrational to have tanks, they are no match for any airforce in the world, besides the tank crew demands too much training. You could archive better results training soldiers to use drones and Non tripulate vehicles

>>275859965>molotovsHOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU SHOULD APPLY FOR A FUCKING GREEN CARD TO THE USAMolotovs havent been an issue since the 50s when every tank had NBC protection

>>275860052The tanks that get sold to random Middle Eastern countries are so called "Money Models" that do not have anything like the capability of the domestic versions.

Whens the auction? I'm willing to give one of your challenger 2's a new home. It's gonna look good on my property.

>>275859638The whole point of tanks was to deal with trenches and other heavily fortified lines, no army does this anymore and every army is geared up to take on tanks. Tanks didn't help the Israeli's fight Hezbollah in 2006. They didn't help the Syrian government take on the rebels, they aren't helping the Saudis take on the Houthis. All these guerilla armies can spend the tiniest fraction of the cost to gain the counter measures for tanks. The only reason more tanks haven't been lost is because all these armies stopped sending them in. ISIS was taking out Russia's best tanks with $500 spent on a little commercial drones carrying payloads. This shit can be produced with 3D printers now. tanks are 20th century, drones are 21st century

>>275860378Monkey Models*

>>275860138so basically if the crew lets it get close. sure if the tank crew lets the toyota....ok retard.

>>275860138Sounds gay, I have a racecar and a pistol so I would just spin circles around your gay little toyota and if I hit your MG or rpg in the right spot you couldn't use it anymore just takes 1 to 2 shots.

>>275860434>ISIS was taking out Russia's best tanks with $500 spent on a little commercial drones carrying payloads.Bullshit.

>>275860558I've yet to see a source for these thousands of tanks that were apparently being taken out. Must have been some really fierce fighting.

>>275860434And on the topic of drones, actual predator drones are cheaper than a tank, hence why they military shifted to using them over tanks.

>>275860052>Russia's best tanksNo, they lost their old soviet stock, Russia wasnt dumb enough to send tanks again after the second chechen wardefenseworld.net/news/17372/Russia_Deploys_Armed_Pick_Up_Trucks_In_Syriahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ_Tigr>>275860486Just stop>>275860499Your race car woul sink to the ground on the desert sand

>>275831653in five years drones with lasers will rule the skies - tanks will just be easy targets.

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>>275860558there's fucking videos of it lmao. google isis using drones on tanks you can watch videos of drones being used against tanks in Iraq and Syria

>>275835555Sounds like entertainment for the boys. The men raid bunkers while the women cheer them on and post stories on social media

If you like tanks you are literally a Boomers

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>>275831653Nice. Pakistanis are their deterrent now. Nobody wants those on their hands

>>275860666I have seen tanks get taken out in Syria, but by US supplied TOW missiles.

>>275860750Um no sweetie, I let some air out of the tires for increased traction and I upgraded the engine so I'll be twice as fast as your toyota and therefore you won't be able to shoot me.

>>275860792Provide it then.

>>275860666Fun part is,Russia didnt even focus on deploying tanks, they coppied ISIS and sent pickups and smaller IFVs as well defenseworld.net/news/17372/Russia_Deploys_Armed_Pick_Up_Trucks_In_Syria>>275860499This is what your Army used but with a grenadelauncher to keep things simple

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>>275832284That's the best deterrent you cuck. Nothing reads "I'm poisonous" like a country full of Pakis

>>275832345Chad alpha as fuck

>>275831653Unless I've missed it, surprised no one's mentioned "Army 2020" restructuring (started in 2008) and joint European military and intelligence plans (that we gone done kaiboshed with brexit). Maybe Europe didn't need more than one tank division and the UK lost out (or traded off) to strategic position of another nation on the mainland. Will be interesting to see if a) another European nation is beefing up their tank division and b) if Boris intends to push-on and hand away control of our armed forces and intelligence agencies. And by 'interesting' I mean treason lads.

>>275860941>laughs in 1971Fuck pakis, my grandpa killed a few of em in war, cant wait for my turn

>>275861002dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/video-reportedly-shows-isis-drone-dropping-bomb-on-iraqi-tank/video/807ba3094fc14299b94636ce0a440fcd

>>275831653BRITISH ARMY LICENSE TO WIELD TANKS HAS JUST BEEN REVOKED

>>275860802>indiaPlease recover your lost dignity with China, then you can make fun of the Brits

>>275861053The Dune-Buggie Squad.

Tanks have been totally obsolete since the Yom Kippur war of 1973 thanks to TOW rockets.That's why nobody is developing them anymore.Modern Technology...try to keep up with it.

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>>275835272Based brother of NodLong live Caine!

>>275861230That's not a tank. That's some sort of Jeep-like thing.

>>275853349We're not quite there yet but in addition to the drone scenarios you outlines, space and cyber are going to be the other big new battlefields. No one has started doing orbital bombardment yet but it will happen at some point. Cyber of course is already well underway though we are trying to pretend it's no big deal because we don't want it to erupt out of that sphere. Then there's the possibility that biological warfare is actually on the table. That's one that no one wants to admit but if a overpopulated overly connected world, it would easily be the most bang for the back and with the worst potential for blowback.

>>275861217Based. I love Japan's new flag btw

>>275861316>BangladeshYou owe us your independence. Show some courtesy

>>275861534/pol/ needs to start a space program we can't be behind on this orbital technology. Why did we give our old space program up, even after all of its success?If any engineer anons are there I'll donate money for our space program if you launch a prototype and make a youtube channel.

>>275861534So like the bioweapon Manufacture by China called coronavirus?

Any brits know how easy it would be for a Canadian anglo to join the british army to get citizenship? I'm going to apply soon.

>>275861478>That's why nobody is developing them anymore.They are though...

>>275831653>tanksNo need.>muzziesI'LL TAKE EM ALL!

This is the damage an unaccelerated 1 km ball of tungsten can do when released from the altitude of the ISS. Ignore the radiation part since there wouldn't be any but otherwise this is close to the damage that would be inflicted.Of course no one is going to use a ball that large and they'd certainly accelerate it. Still, orbital bombardment is inevitable, which will also bring orbital warfare as adversaries try to take out the launchers in space.

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>>275834407Churchill repeatedly fucked up in WW1 and WW2, and I'm saying this as someone who mildly likes him.

>>275861837No president wanted to spend budget on a project that would be complete when he's out of the presidential term, that's why space programs got defunded. Elon Musk is one of the few humans with a solid infrastructure that still gives a shit about space exploration

>>275861734tongue my anus malun pajeet. You do know we were on China's side back in July

>>275831653tea is good fuck you

>>275836412What game is this?

>>275861837Think that died when mods kept deleting space elevator threads because they "belong in /sci/" just like Fat People Hate threads get killed because they "belong in /fit/".>>275861845Accidental or intentional, it's been one hell of a proof of concept.

>>275862201Do you have any idea how heavy a ball of tungsten 1 kilometer in diameter is? How are they even getting it up there?

>>275855626No because you're in a monarchy. I hope the next monarch exercises their power against parliament.

>>275861845Ah Ah ah, Corona virus is simply a Democrat hoax to make Trump look bad. Its just a nuthingburger, a mere cooooof. Corona is ust libtard propaganda

>>275834475>shit hole that is ethnically, culturally and linguistically already basically Russian.He thinks NATO cares about people. Look up 'buffer state'.

>>275831653Wasn’t this old news posted ages ago from one source and nothing came of it?

>>275862662The absolute state of Amerimutt education lmao

>>275845646Aussies regularly have to teach US soldiers how to not suck at fighting during cross-nation exercises.

>>275862677Wasnt that the point GermaAnon was trying to make?

>>275862702No it's recent but they say similar sorts of shit every defence review to drum up public outrage so as to try to influence the government not to slash defence as much as they otherwise might.Also so that any cuts they do make look less severe by comparison.

>>275861907Pretty sure you have to live here for three years or such to be able to join the army. You could always go to the recruitment office if you’re serious

>>275862649That's why I said no one would do it. The graphic is just to illustrate the amount of damage orbital bombardment makes possible. Much smaller but accelerated projectiles would be used. Well, unless someone decided to be really ambitious and start hurling captured asteroids.

>>275862666Never let a crisis go to waste.

>>275863178Commonwealth citizens can join, just not right now because of the Wu flu.

>>275863030

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>>275831653If the UK still has a navy then they better still have a real army as well. How do they plan on holding down positions without heavy armor?!

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>>275861907apply.army.mod.uk/how-to-join/can-i-join/nationality

>Lmao what the fuck are you teaniggers thinking?Well, if you'd read the Forbes article you linked...>Broadly, the critique is that tanks are both too difficult to transport to the battlefield, and too vulnerable to modern guided anti-tank weapons.It might make sense given this reasoning for an island nation to get rid of its tanks to prefer other weapons.

>>275860131>If comms go down we switch to backups. It’s not as if EW is a multispectrum domain and not some monolithic form of warfightingMurphys law is common norm in a battlefield. Besides, the jamming is not the only thing why you should stay silent in comms as much as possible. It's recommended that you stay silent in comms until the battle begins.youtu.be/GFLqya9_Ikk?t=163>but I would assume our guys also receive training in moving and shooting without comms, as grunts well train that way as a last resort.Well, not what I heard from various sources in Arrow 16. One friend said that an American tank crew had an objective to cover other tank platoons moving forward. That tank crew drove straight on the top of the hill and stood still in there without changing positions until enemys tank platoon started fire. From the position where the American tank crew should have destroyed three enemy platoons, they destroyed on one half of a platoon until they got rekt. And the Americans were shouting memes in the comms, from a tank to the other tanks :DOf course different types of communication technology is needed and brings enormous advantage, but you have to know the ancient old basics through and through, in case all shit hits the fan.>As for the AARs I don’t think any of us have access at least right now so put that one on the back burner until later.Even if I had access to these (if I got what you meant by these), OSINT.

>>275831653They live on an island easily defensible by air and sea. Why do they need costly tanks?

>>275862861Dumbass moldy Japan. The monarch has a lot of power but chooses not to exercise it to make the UK effectively a democracy.

>>275863103So, this has happened before and nothing has came out of it?

>>275864481Mostly for any potential conflict on the continent and the occasional foreign adventure further afield.

>>275863918>>275863178Thanks man, i feel like an idiot now. I guess you're right i gotta wait for wuflu to be over. I quit smoking cigarettes during wuflu and i've been running/lifting every day to prepare if i get accepted. Thanks a lot guys.

>>275864704Isolationism is better though.

>>275864659In terms of the more ridiculous claims coming true, no. But that's not to say no cuts are coming.

>>275864716Based, hope you get it all sorted out mate.

>>275864822Pretty sure I read somewhere they’re upgrading the turret for the warrior as well, wonder if most of the military spending went in to that?

>>275835272You're right of course but everyone loves pointing out how pathetic your country has become and wouldn't miss the opportunity to call you a nigger. And despite your correctness on the subject, I'd also like you call you a nigger.

>>275860131>I have no doubt pilots of the Finnish Air Force are hot shitNetherlands Frisian Flag 2012, Finnish Air Force had a 16:1 kill ratio. 100 kills and 6 own dead (Finland took part to the exercise with 6 F-18's). It went well, said the commander, col Kim Jäämeri.

>>275864806The world does not stand still for you. It would be nice if the world was still a massive place where what happened on the other side of it was merely a curiosity at best but that ship sailed with the advent of globalisation.Now ships not being able to freely traverse the South China Sea, Somalian pirates, somebody fucking about with oil fields, and so on affects us here at home.

>>275863725Reminder the US lost to rice farmers and goat herders.

>>275831653And we haven't even abolished the conscription system yet. I guess for the day when some cuckold Europe drops the military because the world is a happy place with good people around ya. Keep up the good work bros

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Consequent.They are pretty useless against the population in the upcoming civil wars.

>>275865088For the Army their big projects right now are Ajax and Boxer.Boxer being a particular shambles. We developed it with the Germans, then pulled out of the project and now apparently we do actually want it after all...

>>275831653What use for tanks is there when fights in non-urban or fortified areas are all air planes and missiles with AI guidance now?

>>275855161just wanted a fucking ass raping desu.

>>275831653lamao get fucked

>>275835929Is Attlee seen similar to the way labour people see Thatcher by Tories?

>>275865323>16:1 kill ratio>hornets aborting lesser aircraft for lulz>“it went well”Fuck I love Finnish humor lol

phone me when they get rid of aircraft carriers

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>>275831653How often are modern wars fought with tanks? the last three generations in the US have been mothballed and sold to other nations for pennies on the dollar.

>>275835980so nothing?enjoy supporting your troops on the ground with fucking light vehicles lmao

guise tanks are obsolete because you can take out the crew with heart disease from greasy food its ogre stop building tanks now k thanxt.chang

>>275859376FCS ballistic computers and hunter killer systems mean if you can see it you can hit it

>>275831653Interesting given an earlier article this year stated that BAF had a manpower problem. Not sure what connection the two could have, if any. A demobilized Britain would be easier to conquer or stage a revolt in.

>>275861478chemical munitions are largely ineffective against modern composite, that's why tanks fire literal metal darts

>>275867498Our naval fleet is getting larger so dont get your hopes up lad! ;D

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>>275831653>>275832345>Invented the tank>100 years later they are going to be the first major country without tanksI don't know if I should be sad or impressed

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>>275867675Within the past maybe 10-15 years, I can name Ukraine and Georgia to start, multiple cases of tank-on-tank combat. Wouldn’t be surprised if similar occurred in Libya and in the early stages of the SCW when large numbers of troops defected to the FSA. It’s becoming less and less common but it’s frequent enough to happen with some regularity hence why armor is high on the kill chain.

>>275838322British ww2 tank design>slow box>fast box>box>box>17pdr box>frankestein sherman>filling perfectly good M61 american AP shells with concrete for reasonsBritish cold war tank design>slow as shit multifuel engine on tracks with a big cannon and nothing else, also very little armor anywhere but the turretAnd don't forget the Hunter aka "tube of regret" you guys took so long to retire

>>275866695none and even if urban area there are a shitload of man portable missle systems that would immediately be developed to smoke tanks in a war scenario. modern tanks had to upgrad themselves several times with modular and reactive armor just to deal with RPGs for fuck sakethey are obsolete

>>275867235Yeah, Eurofighters are much worse than hornets

>>27584669070% is an optimistic estimateWhile official population statistics were around 56 million We were using equivalent resources to feed, clothe and water ~80 million people in 2007. Based on that alone we were ~70% then, given that now ~30% of school children are not British and many of the British school children are from imposters with passports I would guess we are probably 50% or less.

who cares

>>275868188Honestly I don’t think they’ll retire chally 2, they’ll just replace the guts with shit from rheinmetall like they completely overhauled their L85 through HK. Chally 2 is outdated but most of the most critical flaws of the vehicle can be solved through upgrades rather than a completely new platform. The chassis itself is underpowered but is well armored, the gun sucks and the turret could use some work. The real issues Chally 2 has is the shittily underpowered powerpack, the old ass rifled gun being incompatible with the majority of NATO smoothbore rounds, and the lack of digitized systems like a comprehensive battle management suite.

Just so everyone knows we are not getting rid of Tanks just replacing the old tanks with New German Leopard 2's as the cost to upgrade the old systems is not worth it!

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>>275838113for a totally different reason. losing the logistical chain to get tanks onto the battlefield frees up a shit ton of cash and flexibility for the MAGTF, once urban fighting or a 73 Easting scenario develops the Army will already have gotten there with intratheater airlift

>>275868900APS systems are getting so good that missiles are actually becoming obsolete at dealing with them

>>275869086Ahhh I wouldn’t say that as compared to legacy F-18. The Eurofighter certainly is impressive and without a doubt quite lethal, but when compared to the super hornet, I wonder why anyone would buy the eurofighter when the E/F could do the same shit just as good if not better but for a fraction of the price.

>>275869245>the gun sucksThe gun has the longest recorded tank kill in history. It's rifled unlike your tank guns making it significantly more accurate. The main issue with it is that it's not compatible with the ammo you use which has more variety. We could develop our own to fit the gun but it's cheaper to just use yours.

>>275862032Again, nobody in their right mind will try to conquer the UK as long as those Pakis are around

>>275869678source: APS manufacturers in controlled demo teststhere hasnt been any dedicated anti tank technology developed in the last 40 years, or any real world application of it

>>275869678Who would’ve thought the best way to deal with something like the Armata platform isn’t a four foot long rocket-assisted dildo stuffed with a GTX-980 and a pipe bomb, but rather an unpowered, unguided hunk of former nuclear fuel that just so happens to violently ignite when fucked around with.

>no guns>no military>weak policeThis is a commie revolution in the making

>>275862201A 1 km ball you say, that's pretty pitiful for such a massive object. Seems a lot more efficient to just use nukes. Apperently that GI Joe movie was full of shit

>>275834076Absolute bullshit, tanks are still the tip of the spear. Heavy armor and heavy firepower isn't going out of fashion even after drone swarms become more common. Shit, odds are tanks would just each have their own drone swarm with swarms of drone-tank support too.

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>>275831653Ireland should just invade them. Put them out of their misery.

>>275863333Yeah you can wreck New York. A 100 megaton nuke can do the same