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So hold on you don't believe in evolution? Why on earth would you use the Hebrew year date?

I think the question to ask is: How do groups become disciplined? How I act myself strongly depends on the environment I'm in. I used to be an lefty youth group, and people always came too late or went early. At first, I was pissed about that, but over time I got used to it and also started not to care anymore about being a few minutes late myself. (Of course I'm never late at work. That would have serious repercussions.) When meetings don't even have a clear beginning and end it's hard to get anything done in such an environment. Those loose hang-out things have their charm too, and I don't believe that literally everybody who took part in those would have taken part in more rigid meetings, and I think you can do both types of meeting alternating, but the rigid style of meeting is much better for getting things done.
Please show your face on an imageboard that exists as a ghetto on a website that is 3/4 neo-nazis
Bad idea.

This is an example where the individual cultivation of self-discipline and learning to taking our tasks seriously would be a necessary condition for mass work to be effective.

It's hard to organize 100 people who, by themselves, never go beyond their comfort zone when engaging politics.

Marx hated that dude.

individual cultivation of self-discipline
People already act extremely disciplined, depending on the environment they are in.

Marx hated pretty much everyone tbh

While you can will your way through Capital, I'd say start with periphery knowledge first. It helps you understand what is being said by marx rather than just drudging through it.

Having discipline to fulfill, say, the physical part of a military training, in an environment where there's a direct risk and reward to it, an hierarchy of command, an structure organized around that task, and a general expectation of you fulfilling said training is completely different from having the self-discipline necessary to pursue physical training on your own, with your own research and according to your own plan and organization. Same thing goes for studying in school or being self-taught, working with a boss looking at you and working on your own project, etc. We're never going to have authority over people, so we have to teach them to cultivate self-discipline first.

This is why litteraly the whole of the left condemned Lenin.

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Being well dressed and groomed, speaking clearly and plainly about our ideals and goals, having good etiquette, encouraging self improvement
Honestly a bit ironic that you say this while referencing Žižek.

Rosa Luxembourg for starters.
She was extremely critical of Lenin.

He was, for the most part, considered a right wing deviation.

Chomskyite spotted

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Despite their disagreements she did not condemn him. Some would even call them friends.
Even if you were right though, it would mean nothing for your statement that LITERALLY THE WHOLE LEFT condemned Lenin.

she criticized his approach but it was nowhere near condemnation, and they remained friends up until her death

You are not wrong to the extent that Lenin challenged orthadox praxis at the time, but he was not villified as you think after it was clear that our comrades in Russia were going to be successful.

Get a Palestinian gf. Do you really want to marry a religious nut vs. a woman whose entire culture was born of national liberation?

oh look it's a GIRL

Well he was agreeing Lenin and his idea of 'polite, and disciplined communists' and its relevance to the left today.

we have to teach them to cultivate self-discipline
Strongly disagree with that take. First, to a large degree it is in the eye of the beholder whether somebody has self-discipline or not. When somebody puts a lot of work into a goal that I think is totally asinine, I have to admit it doesn't immediately occur to me that they have self-discipline, it takes a second or third look. I'm not saying whether somebody got self-discipline is all relative and subjective opinion though. When a person does a lot of regular work for something that only has a payoff in the long run, we can say that person has self-discipline. But people with such a strongly self-driven personality also tend to be stubborn, that's just the other side of the coin. And this causes problems in groups that decide on activities together.

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So stop being a bum and go grap that Marxist reading list you bookmarked and start working your way through it.
boring

Network with other socialists
the only socialists i rly trust are richard wolff and noam chomsky

learn something useful for propaganda like video editing skills
no dat shit always ends up cringeworthy

social media
social media is for normies, i liked the days of msn and aol better

drugs
coffees aint dat bad

internet boards
wat rong with dat

become physically active
i lift

Change comes when we have the discipline to come together and act together in a cohesive and efficient manner
im not going to cum together w/ a bunch of Holla Forums trolls

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Cringed hard.

The left of 100 years ago had reasons to be disciplined; they had success. Today we're dealing with threats to worker power beyond the wildest dreams of revolutionaries in the past. I doubt Lenin or his contemporaries could conceive of things like Google and militarized police forces, constant surveillance and corporate owned media. Being a leftist in 2018 is profoundly depressing because we've inherited a legacy of defeat and powerlessness. It's much easier to be political normie and never question the path society is on. The modern left is where you end up when all other conceivable political activities seem pointless, and it's no surprise button down professional types never get that far.

TLDR: Give people a reason to be disciplined and effective activists.

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He was his son-in-law

Lenin was nazbol, let say it clear.