What exactly IS human nature?

What exactly IS human nature?
Is it truly an overwhelming force that binds us to the current system?
Is it being suppressed under capitalism?
Can human nature be changed or is human nature merely product of circumstance.
recommendations of books on the subject from a lefty veiwpoint welcome

Human nature shouldnt be dismissed we have to take note of our carnal sins pride, greed, lust etc influence the behavior of humans.

Human nature is how humans naturally behave. It is evolved over millenia to help humanity survive. As such, it should not be disregarded, and there should not be any attempts to remove or change it without a really good reason. Doing so would inevitably cause your endeavor to fail.

Acting in your own self-interest. Which is why capitalism is not natural at all.

It is in my self interest to get a job which will get me capital to survive. It is also in my self interest to get all capital my boss leeches from me, but my problem is that I hate being beaten by cops so I continue maintaining capitalist regime.

To quote an great user-comrade who in turn quoted Fredy Perlman:

Human nature is the radical idea that you can't engineer society from the top-down and then "re-educate" away all the problems that come up

So if "human nature" was debunked thousands of years ago, why the fuck do these aut right tards keep bringing it up?

But it's an actual scientific fact that human behavior is predictable even when controlled for culture

It's true that there is a limited amount of results, and we're bound to repeat cycles. But these limitations are caused by our material conditions, not our nature.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say "le gabbidalism is le human nacher" but I'm tired of everyone thinking they're hot shit in a champagne glass for sitting in an armchair and coming up with this fantastic theory for economics or whatever, and then when it doesn't work IRL they say "oh well human culture just needs to change to fit my theory, humans are tabula rasa after all" instead of just admitting defeat and adjusting their theory to better suit the realpolitik

wow deep

Except when they are,

t. neurology and psychology

Why are you bringing up psychology, that has everything to do with material conditions and not "nature", you're really retarded

Those literally are material conditions you imbecile.

## imitation. many things we do are imitations or garbled imitations of things we have seen humans or human-like things do.
## suffering. in the sense of enduring things. everything that comes into consciousness is a problem that we endure, in various degrees. simple pleasures, too.
## meaning. everything that leaves consciousness acquires meaning, and may come back into consciousness when there is tension in meaning.

that's all I want to say now

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For instance, someone might have been born with a genetic predisposition towards ASPD. I'm loathe to bring in genetics to the debate for obvious reasons but it's something that's inherent to the individual rather than something they acquire due to their life experiences like PTSD.

This person will most likely have a habit of grabbing cats by their tails and smacking them against brick walls, and yet there are no material conditions that bring this about, they just act this way because they don't care to act any other way.

But we're not talking about individuals, we're talking about humans in the broader sense.


"Nature" meaning something inherent to the person that would arise regardless of culture, eg, babies like to succ on tiddies and nobody tells them how.


Except when they aren't. Reminder that tabula rasa is literally as outdated as cartesian dualism

Yes.

You're not responding to what I said and you just used the wrong terminology for it so why should I take you seriously

You're thinking of Behavioral Science and just spat out Psychology because you've been to a community college campus once for a single semester before giving up on life or you're underage

oh thanks
Clearly material conditions have caused you to become a jackass

Yes.

it doesn't need to be "changed" at all.
marxism is part of the human sciences for a reason

Get this idealist out of here.

Total nonsense. Our advancing knowledge of biochemistry, genetics, and the effects of drugs on our psyche are rapidly advancing the horizons for social engineering. We could already do a lot with laws and education, and we will be able to do more in the future wether you like it or not. And the choice of what is to be done is and will remain purely political.

Fucking autists.

There's no such thing as human nature. Nature isn't fixed and isn't tied to humans or life in general. Mars being a dead planet is natural. Humans are "natural" byproducts of earth, everything humans do is "natural". There's no such thing as "natural" because everything that happens in our universe is natural. Anyone arguing for human nature is a retard. Biologically life has never been and most likely will never be a fixed thing. There is no such thing as a natural order, just temporary orders. There is no end to history, it'll go on long after humans have come and gone.

Human nature is to eat, reproduce, and react to our environment with a few instinctive behaviours sprinkled.

Greed, evil, cruelty, all that good stuff.
Here's the thing though Communism works better with human nature than capitalism does so as an argument we should use it not capitalists.
No not entirely.
Just happiness.
You can change humans if you'd like.
And no.

Ur mum is human nature

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Comrade I…….

Thought

There's no such thing as human nature. Nature isn't fixed and isn't tied to humans or life in general. Mars being a dead planet is natural. Humans are "natural" byproducts of earth, everything humans do is "natural". There's no such thing as "natural" because everything that happens in our universe is natural. Anyone arguing for human nature is a retard. Biologically life has never been and most likely will never be a fixed thing. There is no such thing as a natural order, just temporary orders. There is no end to history, it'll go on long after humans have come and gone.

Interacting with nature to produce past your immediate needs. Read the 1844 manuscripts

when the market dubs stuff

but what about mathematics

I think since most jobs involve deceiving people for money, there is this fixation on """human nature""" and "everyone is evil" narratives in Anglo and wealthy countries. "sensible" people are too disruptive for civilization, with their condemnation moods.

What do you think? I simply remembered all the data i collected and connected the dots.

missing a third picture of both women being quiet and the cleaner thinking "I hate my job."

You have this same unproductive thread every day. Hooman natur is the result of sociobiological phenomena like dunbars number or kin selection et al. It is the result of spending a significant phase of our evolutionary history under certain material conditions.

When someone says its hooman natur to be capitalist because hoomans are naturally greedy they are dead wrong. No only do they misunderstand what a capitalist is and what a socialist is, but they also misunderstand that human natur is not easily defiend by extremely generalized in the unuseful sense

What do you mean? I ain't seen a thread dedicated to this in a while…

Think about it this way, at one point humans were not. That which we came from, evolutionarily, were not human. Now we are. That alone, I should say, destroys any notion of a fixed human nature. We developed from something that wasn't us, and couldn't have had any kind of immutable "nature." Whoever were the first distinct "humans" (already a nebulous idea, since nothing has ever truly "evolved," all is "evolving" - there is no end point or stopping point, evolution is a continual moving process) were also quite different from what we are.

The process of evolution, imo, upon reflection should really do away with any supposed notions of an absolute self nature.

human nature is to survive. whether we are selfish or not is not part of the question. we are self-centered but this doesnt mean at the expense of others. we adapt to our situation and the productive forces help shape this.

Niggers don't know about my Negarestani and my Lacan.

The argument is basically that humans are naturally evil and cant do any good because of evolution.

that all humans need to breathe, eat, piss, shit and fuck

and feel safe, secure and not in pain