Are they socialist? The ☭TANKIE☭s seem to be beefing over China big time lately

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It used to be, but not anymore. It might be in the future though, if Xi is to be believed.

they cater to extremely basic agricultural peasantry type of socialism thats compatible with special economic zones

t. capitalist roader

This is quite ignorant. Maoist China is one of the more antipeasant regimes. Chinese peasants were supposed to donate value to the cities, and get nothing in return, and have no representation. City people have many rights guaranteed, are represented, and are selected to rule over rural areas as well.

It froze China’s development for a whole decade and accomplished literally nothing.

Yeah it’s acrually kind of funny how Maoism is often seen as favoring peasants over city dwellers. Living in urban areas under Mao was actually pretty cushy. The fuck up really happened in the countryside

China is a capitalist hellscape intentionally created by a cabal of octogenarian marxists to develop their government's productive capacity in preparation for another cultural revolution. It is the balls-deep version of Lenin's NEP. It's obviously marxist, but it's definitely not socialist.

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love having billionaires in a communist party

They are revisionist and capitalist. If you are a ML and hate Khruschev, then there is no reason why you should support present-day China.

Soviet Union was still socialist under Khruschev so I don't understand your point.

China is taking a different approach. I support those who progress towards communism. While I may disagree with particular trajectories where they're not necessary I support them where they are. China needs capitalist roaders, the Soviet Union only required that their leadership support communism. The issue was that Gorbachev allowed for the disassembly of the union and Yeltsin wanted to dismantle it. When the capitalist roaders dismantle China's DOTP then you can say I told you so, in the meantime Marx watches over them.

This is a good way to tell actually. Notice how the American flag only has some red and their government also does some stuff?

So? He serves the interests of the capitalists.
reuters.com/article/us-china-congress-economy-reforms/xi-says-china-will-continue-to-open-its-economy-deepen-financial-reforms-idUSKBN1CN09K
Proves nothing other than the fact that they've run afoul of the state for any possible reason. Billionaires should not exist under socialism. They do not exist in Cuba or North Korea. They didn't exist in the USSR.
Where's the proof of this? And even if it does, the income gap in China is enormous. The gains are being siphoned off by the elite.

the theory of the productive forces is revisionist bullshit that served as an excuse for deng to sell the country and liquidate the social gains of the revolution in favour of producing cheap consumer goods for western markets
neoliberalism wouldn't have been possible without china bending over

hell yeah
cnbc.com/2017/03/02/chinas-parliament-has-about-100-billionaires-according-to-data-from-the-hurun-report.html

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Dog they still have venture capitalists and other ultra-porkies. China is ok but definitely not socialist

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Imagine if the United States had this

So tearing out millenia of culture in a decade is a good idea?

It was primarily a struggle against the capitalists in the party, such as Deng and Liu. And besides, I don't see what's so bad about changing culture and society in order to ingrain socialist values.

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The idea of the Chinese cultural revolution was extremely ambitious and intellectual, like everything that Mao did, but that's beyond the point. Cultural Revolution was a failure, but that said, China was practically unaffected by it: GDP growth dipped a little but still grew, Chinese state became a little destabilized, but CIAniggers failed to do anything about it, culturally speaking, Chinese became completely redpilled on capitalism and ideology and destroyed retarded feudal stuff like feet binding and arranged marriages. Even in failure, Cultural Revolution was a success.

I want to believe. But source?

A massive, bureaucratic party managing a huge export economy based around exploiting wage labor to produce commodities for its capitalist neighbors, which has to continually play whack-a-mole jailing and executing people to prevent capitalism from becoming dominant in an increasingly privatized economy, doesn't strike me as a particularly progressive or useful vision of socialism.

If global capitalism experiences a deep enough crisis or depression, China's export economy will tank, the CPC will lose legitimacy and control and the entire country will collapse into a gangsterized capitalist hellhole, just like the USSR.

I've never understood a meme as to why China would be less resilient to turbulence than Liberal Republics, while the actual capitalist crises that happened proved otherwise…

Probably a residual effect of Neolibshit euphoria caused by the collapse of the USSR.

youtube.com/watch?v=i10EVWg-6dA

As mentions, Chinese citizens see themselves as part of a growing, developing country. China is orders of magnitude more integrated into the world economy, and its growth is predicated on large trade and currency surpluses. Another global depression would severely hurt Chinese growth by slashing demand, and if the CPC can't guarantee growth it'll face plenty of unrest from a Chinese proletariat that was promised rising wages and standards of living, and a latent bourgeoisie that could exploit state weakness to expand private capitalism.

I think Chinese instability would primarily result from the complete incoherence between the ideological myths which legitimate the ruling cliques power and the actual state of the society.

Say what you will about Western society but there is some connection between the myths which legitimate class power and the actual structure of the society. The masses in the West are pacified through a series of lies (social progress, everyone can express themselves, abundance of commodities, freedom) that are total bullshit, but at least correspond in some sense to the way things are (liberation through idpol, avenues for shallow expressions of uniqueness, abundant cheap goods, """democracy"""").

China on the other hand ideologically legitimates itself as a workers/peasants state which is making progress towards socialism. Even the most brainwashed idiot can see the total lack of connection between this ideology and the increasingly unequal and bourgeois society.

Thus the only thing really legitimating the CPC's rule is economic progress (while that and nationalism. If their is no economic growth the emperor will quickly be exposed as naked.

There also the added factor that party members and ordinary citizens still read Mao and Marx as part of their state mandated political education. This surely must make at least some of them resentful towards the current state of things.