Capital cucked

>Drugs now: By doing small amounts of LSD or cocaine I maximize productivity generating capital for my boss

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And it'll keep getting worse

There's nothing radical or anti-establishment about drug use. Drugs are just another commodity, one that numbs the pain of alienation and which prevents rational thinking and criticism of captialism

Porky ruins everything

Smoke weed most days, i would say im a more productive individual than most people here, got a job a degree get laid go to the gym do creative stuff and am active in the left

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hehe bernie revolution, am I right proles?

Why are people such hedonists?

I obviously don't know in what ways I would be different if I had never used drugs, but psychedelics are what got me really interested in philosophy and left wing political ideology during my teens. Also, saying "drugs do X" is almost always fucking stupid as hell since "drugs" is a word that describes so many substances, many of which have completely different effects on the body and the brain.

I've never touched drugs.
Isn't marijuana counterproductive? Doesn't it kind of kill your gains so to speak?
I hear that people in America go on eating frenzies when they do the drugs, that's really funny to me.

Religion is the opiate of the masses
*smokes weed*

/thread
pot smokers really need to catch a noose

The hardest drug I've ever took in my life was Ziprasidone. I don't recommend it.

microdosing silicon valley nerds don't represent a significant portion of drug users

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Are you a leftcom yet?

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man, this reminds me how most people in Nazi Germany ended up on crack

So all forms of entertainment should be banned? Are you joking or just a retard?

*watches television*
*drinks alcohol*
*plays video games*
*jerks to hentai*
*posts online*

If you jerk off you are mixing your essence with shit

I remember when the bottom text to that was
better times tbh

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t. straight edge retard

just look at the beatles and every other fucking lsd user. most of them disassociated in some way and started looking for answers and found them in left wing political thought

the degeneration and general cuckery of the hippies is another topic entirely, but the way you talk about drugs not expanding your mind is fucking stupid

in general the people in this thread who don't trust capitalism but simultaneously back all the porky/DEA/FBI endorsed propaganda on drug issues is fucking insanely laughable

this

This. Destroy all drugs.

Confirmed for never having taken acid.

Hallucinogens are not supposed to be treated like a toy; they're used to open the door of your mind, help you connect to G*d and tweak your perceptions so you get a better understanding of yourself and how everything in this world is connected.

Acid was one of the most influential things in my life. Done it a few dozen times. I would not be as critical of the world and the mechanisms that control us were if not for acid.
Naysayers are just haters and larpers

I realized Porky would legalize weed because workers need it to calm down after chugging coffee all day to improve productivity.

That's the hottest new trend among petite bourgeoisie tech "workers" in silicon valley.

Might as well spam my crap again.

Drugs are bourgeoise commodities made by Drug cartels.
Screw you prole for inavertantly funding the exploitation of Mexican farmers and killing of opposition to the cartels.

Alcohol and Drugs are tools to keep the proletariat pacified and stupid. Any self-respecting socialist society ought to phase out such poisons forever.

I'm mexican and all these braindead junkies saying "drugs aren't bad lmao" make me realize how right Mao was on the first world.

I wish they saw the effect their repulsive habits have on farmers, on society, on the average worker in Mexico, Colombia and Central America.

NAFTA fucked farmers in the Mexico more than the drug trade. More farmers should grow and produce drugs and send them straight to American cities. Let American imperial ecosystem collapse from within due it its own rot.

It was always about it faggot, business using culture to push this garbage into populace, at least you people finally feel dumb.

No, but they shouldn't be viewed as profound or rebellious in any meanigful way.


Friendly reminder the CIA promoted LSD and marijuana use and helped create the hippies as a way to neuter the left.

Nice buzzword. Most commodities are "bourgeoise" because they're produced by them.
And Coca-Cola has death squads and numerous companies have literal slave labor working for them.
Capital is universal; there is no such thing as ethical consumption.
They're be just as exploited if they grew fucking wheat.
How surprising that companies engaged in an illegal market are especially violent.

Stop sounding like a paranoid Holla Forumstard. Drugs are entertainment and self-medication and they're produced because there's a huge profit for them.

Stop blaming people for their self-medication. If drugs weren't so heavily criminalized there wouldn't be such insane amounts of drug violence. Why is it so fucking hard to learn lessons from Prohibition? Do you see fucking Colombian bowties done by people paid by the illegal alcohol trade?

[citation needed]

If you get a bad trip how do you not become a insane.

Because that's literally not how it works

Don't listen to I smoked a alcohol once and now I'm locked in a mental asylum.

this guy gets it

confirmed never micro-dosed. it depends on the job.

Think I accidentally cycled the thread, oops. If I undid another mod's cycle, plz say.

Kill yourself you petty bourg scum
Hedonist first worlders make me sick.

I had to read the post you replied to twice, thanks to your absolutely ridiculous reading skills.

Is it really hedonism that's motivating this, or a desire to project status?

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If you smoke weed consider yourself a nigger

Back to >>>Holla Forums with ye!

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This is the equivalent of drinking non-alcoholic beer.

While I love doing drugs "drug culture" is entirely an invention by public relations boards used to turn young people who are experimenting with psychedelics and uppers into lolberts and I try to distance myself from it as much as possible

Also while drugs in themselves are fun there is absolutely nothing innately anti-capitalist about them and you can't really redirect them for anti-capitalist means in any significant way. I know a whole gang of fascists and ancaps IRL who all do ketamine and lsd on a regular basis and if anything they've gone further to the right

Marijuana has done nothing but help me become a better person. I realize that that isn't the case for everyone but it's true for me.

Same here.

How often do you smoke? I only do it once every few months or so which I think might be part of the reason I find it beneficial

McKenna was a CIA assett.

Naw, there definitely are "drug cults", where dealers purposefully try to get people hooked. Drugs aren't always taken in this context, but it definitely exists.

no u!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad-jacketing

This. Weed helped me become a better person even though I was very young when I started using it (16-17). LSD was even more like that. Like you said, it definitely won't be like that for everyone (not even with acid) but experimenting with drugs really helped me change for the better (and I have friends who will tell you the same thing about their drug use). That's why people with this attitude piss me off so much.

I don't do drugs very often nowadays but I don't regret experimenting with marijuana, LSD, MDMA or mushrooms, or basically any of the other drugs I've tried (except for that time I mixed alcohol and benzos, fuck benzos).

I also read lots of theory

Can you actually read dense theory whilst baked?

Yeh it's like the whole driving on weed thing, paranoia that you are a fuck up tends to push you not to fuck up

The idea that psychedelics or really any drug is going to give you profound philosophical insights really annoys me. Especially when you get people who say shit like "I did MDMA and LSD at the same time and totally experience ego death dude".

No you didn't, you can't buy enlightenment for £10 a tab.

You've clearly never taken a high psychedelic dose. The insights are PROFOUND.

Because psychedelics/hallucinogens aren't meant to be treated as recreational playthings. They're tools used to open the mind.

they CAN BE

I had a friend who tripped dick with his little brother. They both looked at each other weird at one point and almost at the same time asked if they were giving the other one bedroom eyes. They then had a panic attack for 3 hours and threw all their drugs and alcohol away. The little brother apparently was almost crying because he was scared that he and my friend had just revealed their secret incestual love for each other .

Other than taking a break from drugs after that, exactly how was this experience good for anybody or insightful? At best it became a funny story for us to all laugh about while we're drunk. And as a matter of fact said friend has moved considerably to the Right recently

Yeah, well if you climb a mountain you might die, but does that mean you can learn and grow a lot from mountain climbing? There are certainly significant risks involved when taking psychedelics, but that doesn't mean no one should take them.

I don't know about "profound philosophical insights" but you definitely can experience ego death on psychedelic drugs. It happens to a lot of people when they take a shit ton of LSD or mushrooms for example. No one is going to turn into a Buddha or be permanently "enlightened" after that. It's not uncommon that someone just goes back to being their normal, selfish, piece of shit self, a few days after having an enlightening ego death experience on psychedelics. But if you take a massive amount of drugs, then it's definitely possible to experience ego death for a few hours.

Right, just like no one is going to become permanently enlightened from reading scripture. Both are powerful tools, but not silver bullets.

I gained a very import insight when I took an eighth ounce of shrooms. I realized that even though the world was super fucked up, wallowing in despair was not going to help fix it, or improve my own life. This insight has played a major role in me becoming a radical leftist.

This is what I hate about arguing with the majority of druggies, you make everything so zero sum. Nobody said "Never do psychedelics" we are simply saying don't act like they are some key to the universe or some stupid idealist horseshit like that. My anecdote about my friend wasn't a "jumping out of the window on acid" point it was a "you aren't going to automatically become a better person just cuz you trip dick a few times."

As I said here I know of plenty of fascists who regularly take psychedelics and disossociatives and if anything have doubled down on their reactionary ideology.

The fact that you have such a hard time just admitting this and turning every drug argument into whether or not someone is trying to keep you from taking your happy pills shows your own insecurity that hasn't been straightened out by doing drugs. If you want to do drugs and you feel like you get something positive out of it then fine but unless someone asks for your personal testimony just shut the fuck up because in general the big changes in human consciousness had absolutely nothing to do with drugs

They ARE, tho. DMT especially is just so overwhelmingly profound.

That's really a horrible description of psychedelics, and you know it.

What value is there in experiencing ego death?

How many wall street CEOs/board members etc do you think have smoked DMT at least once or taken massive amounts of any kind of comparable psychedelic substance and still fuck over the proletariat on a daily basis? If psychedelics were the key to enlightenment why do Silicon Valley techies just keep thinking up better and more efficient ways to fuck over their own workers and the proletariat generally instead of using their intelligence and wealth to start moving towards socialism? Capitalism still continues no matter how many hits of acid you take


I described them that way to trigger druggies who think that psychedelics are anything more than that for THEM because for THEM that's what they are. Everyone I've ever known who takes acid several times a month for "self improvement" or "englightenment" or whatever behaved exactly as people who take anti-depressants except they acted as if they had transcended that dynamic. It's fucking hillarious

You realize that you are part of, and one with a complex and dynamic universe, as opposed to a single individual in a hostile world. You realize the truth of "interbeing" as the Buddhist Monk and scholar Thich Nhat Hanh calls it.

Plenty, and how many of them have read Marx, too. Does that mean that Marx's writings and psychedelics aren't important tools?


;^)

Probably not very many considering how popular neoliberal and neoclassical economics have been since the fucking 70s on both Wall Street itself and in business schools

I specifically said that psychedelics CAN be a tool for PERSONAL enlightenment just that they aren't always an enlightening force nor a revolutionary tool and argued that in general they have done little either in the direction of good or bad.


Wow it's almost like people need to organize against the State instead of sitting around seeking enlightenment through drugs while listening to joe rogan :^)

Because psychedelics are a tool and as such produce depending on the task to which they're applied. Read Huxley and Watts.

I'm sorry what's the problem again?

You really think that more Wall Street types have smoked DMT than read Marx? WTF? Most people haven't even heard of DMT.

I already said that. That other user was arguing that drugs are either a tool towards enlightenment for literally anybody or that we should just ban them outright. Which wasn't my argument.

Psychedelics, not all drugs, are a "tool towards enlightenment" for many, maybe most, but certainly not all.

Oh my bad. I was carelessly scrolling and that's an argument I hear a lot.

OK, so you didn't get any profound truths this one time. Does that mean people never realize profound truths while on them? Of course not. Come, comrade, let's be scientific about this; your anecdote is a useful datapoint, but it is but one datapoint.

I had no idea drugs were the key to wincest. This changes everything.

Things Would Be Different

Had only Andrew Jackson taken 'shrooms,
there wouldn't be so many Indians in tombs.
Got not they even that;
left to lay there on their back,
to rot where they got shot.

Maybe it made your friend realize he's a retard?

Depends. I'm not trying to say that ego death is fucking awesome so everyone should take acid. I just wanted to make the point that it's definitely something that's possible to experience (for a short amount of time) if you take enough drugs.

Well, that really depends. How do you define ego death? I would say that it's the experience of not having a "self". When thinking about "me" or "I" makes no fucking sense whatsoever. When you absolutely can't tell the difference between "your" body and the world around you, because that concept doesn't make sense to you at all, because there is just awareness, and "you" are everything. It's an experience of complete "oneness" with everything. That's what the experience is like, and when I say ego death I'm talking about that experience.

Obviously, you could hold the view that that experience is about as important as feeling really nice on heroin (which is to say, pretty unimportant). And you could think that all those feelings of non-self and oneness with the universe make no fucking sense philosophically (you could probably even have that experience yourself at some point in your life and still think it's stupid, unimportant and doesn't make any sense). And any conclusions drawn from such an experience could obviously be completely wrong. But to say that the experience itself is impossible doesn't make any sense to me. It would be like if I took acid and told you I saw a bunch of colorful patterns and stuff, you would tell me "well, I don't see any colors and you're high on drugs so I shouldn't trust you". Those colorful patterns might not exist outside of my head but I'm still having the experience of seeing them.

I don't know if I'm shit at explaining this, but basically, it's perfectly fine to think that the philosophy of "we're all one dude peace and love" is dumb, but I don't think it's even up for debate if the experience of oneness with the universe, and the experience of egolessness, is possible. That experience is possible, and people have had it for thousands of years.

i dont read while baked, i mostly read on the train to work, or when i wake up in the morning, sometimes i read baked though, just nothing toooo dense

fuck. most of that comment was meant for >>2209835

Psychedelics can open you up to new ideas, including leftist ideas.

I can tell you that LSD is particular have been extremely useful for me for programming and not in the micro-dose meme way and i've had other good ideas while high too. You just have to write it down before you forget.

I make it a point of being drunk or high on the job and being sober and productive at home. When I don't have a job I don't even feel the need to smoke pot and I only drink socially.

How did you wound up making out with your mom?
did she like it?

what a pleb

Drugs are shit. If you want to obliterate yourself, at least do it right. With alcohol.

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Are you fucking retarded. I hope the catel kills you using that money you gave them and thier cronies.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Why do you have this misconception that it's only drug cartels that do horrible shit? How do you think it's remotely likely that people will stop buying drugs and that's how you fix drug trade crime? Blame the politicians for creating these laws (especially American ones in order to feed the PIC) that only serve to make the drug trade MORE profitable and necessarily violent.

Also, I've never bought or consumed any drugs.

Ken Kesey, one of the major thought leaders of the hippy movement, was dosed with LSD as part of MKUltra.

Same applies to coke and every other company that fund organizations to kill leftists.
they are all the same

Not him but First Tragedy, Then Farce is an incredible book to read when fucked up.

You give money to murderous companies when you buy anything as the money filters through the market and participate in bloody imperialism every time you pay your taxes.

Get the fuck off this board.

Drug culture != Drug "Cults"

you do an awful lot of shitposting for a single person

I'm amazed with the many ignorant opinions of weed on this board, and I'm under the impression most of you are either incels or still in high school. Many adults who smoke weed are productive, but here you are, sober, alone, friendless, and neet.

Mine as well not voluntarily do that then.

Drug use wasn't promoted because it somehow "neutered" the left, it was promoted because then they could pin some petty crime on left-wing activists.

qz.com/645990/nixon-advisor-we-created-the-war-on-drugs-to-criminalize-black-people-and-the-anti-war-left/