Medicare

Serious question though. How do people believe this shit? what the fuck are Americans taught in school and college?

Americans are the stupidest people on the planet not all of you
Propaganda

They get travel banned in socialist europe

during the gilded age lots of people were poor and working in sweatshops and coal mines. So then this one guy named Marx (who didn't believe in individuality or human nature) came along and suggested the government should take care of everything. Today we should all be rational centrists who recognize that government is necessary, but can't be trusted to manufacture commodities (which is communism and therefore leads to genocide.)

Decades of propaganda.
Generally either stemfaggotry or mysticism. For example in econ I learned about how the LTV isn't valid because lol mudpies ecksdee and how despite a lot of basic economics assertions not holding up they were still valid.

even if this were a public school, I don't believe this.

different user but It sounds believable. I was taught in school that communism won't work because if everyone in class got the same grade no matter what no one would do homework.

I kinda want to put these shitposts up on social media to see how many people unironically like comment and subscribe. I hear pretty frequently that altright/reaction-tube fags and essjays are tiny minorities, but most of my friends from highschool are now adults (yes, sad) and have picked their side (though one is clearly very confused, and simultaneously likes Pedo Yianopotatopolis and Justin Treudough).

It was university and while a bit more eloquent than that is what it essentially said. I don't have the textbook atm but I remember for one principle almost all assertions had to be ignored for it to work irl. The LTV was dismissed outright as being outdated because price determines value, which we can see in the dominance of the subjective theory of value in economics departments.

That one is probably just edgy and could easily be talked down 2bh.

Speaking honestly here, I never learned a out it in school. .

You have to understand that America is emerging out of literally multiple generations of red scare scare propaganda.

How do you prove them wrong without begging the question?

Socialism is like racism; the word expands based on association. Muslims aren't a race, but bashing them is like racism, so it is racist. Government doing stuff isn't socialist, but its like socialism, so it's socialist.

It's not just americans.

What a bad analogy. Homework is pointless, labour is not.

No, he ASKED you a question you fucking autistic faggot.

what are you talking about user?

lol no. I will molest ur imperialist language and u will watch me do it.

where is this quote from, where did he said this?

are you kidding me my man?

Didn't Bernie Sanders call himself a "socialist" due to being an advocate for free college, minimum wage, single payer healthcare and stuff like that?

im kinda new to this

The guy has a political science degree, you'd expect him to be at least a bit more knowledgable

Yep. Mark Blyth calls himself a capitalist and says he's far to the left of Bernie. Makes you think.

It's k

Lenin was even more of a revisionist than this fake quote lets on.

Capitalism = private sector
Communism = public sector
Private and public sectors are mortal enemies and we live in a mystical yin-yang where they're always fighting and always in balance. Same with Republicans and democrats. Republicans promote the interests of the private sector, which we need because they are the ones who create prosperity. Democrats promote the interests of the public, which we need to keep the private sector from being too overzealous or racist. The highest road is atop the fence.

This is generally what burgers actually believe.

yea and no one on this board actually cares about someone parading socdem ideas as socialism come crunch time
aka elections

Leftypol was head over heels for Sanders until he showed signs of endorsing Clinton. You couldn't say a single bad thing about Sanders without getting insulted. Including pointing out that he was going to endorse Clinton before most people caught on.

The only feasible socialist plan for a first world country came out of a heavily socdem country.
The Meidner Plan

So socdem ideas can be used for socialism just as much as it can be used for virtual communism under capitalism. And honestly, the latter seems more enticing.

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LEFTYPAUL

lies

Cenk isn't a SocDem though

If you only went to the election thread. Most of Holla Forums had just been through this whole song and dance with Syriza.

Roses have always just been tolerated on Holla Forums.

Americans are politically illiterate.

Do you know how they teach what socialism is in America?
"Let's say you study hard for your math test and you get an A. But John over there got a B, and Bob over there got an F. Your grade ends up being a D to balance it out. That's socialism."
(No I'm not joking)

truth be honest polish proles are fucking retards brainwashed to hate "communism" because they think that's what 'cool' europeans and americans do

That's stupid. Doesn't public sector exist purely to safeguard corporate interests, and was merely coopted by populists trying to get votes by giving stuff away?

And it works?

They start doing it from a young age. Like, 5 or 6.

Yes. That and they go hard on the muh incentives meme. You don't just get a D to balance it out. The real average would be a C or something, but you end up with a D- because lazy kids no longer have incentive to do well and they drag the grades down further.

No… He calls himself a socialist because he's actually a socialist.
His potential goals in office aren't the only things he believes in, you know that right?

Actually to add to this, my mother complained to the school board about not having advanced classes in all subjects and that "forcing" "gifted" kids into the same classroom with normies was "socialism."

sage for doublepost

I never understood this problem. If I was in a classroom like that I would still study hard to get a good grade. A C or D is not an acceptable grade in any way.

If anything, evening out the grades might force the class to organize study groups to help out the least prepared students so they don't drag the class down. But I guess anything social is communism to american parents and schools.

Kind of
Like, social democracy, it's still a capitalist society and thus subject to the demands of capital (profit), and this subject to the constant need to externalize costs (the environment, well being of workers) for the sake of competition, and if you don't (wages too high, labor strong) capital creates a crises
BUT social democracy and socialism are comparable in that you have to demonstrate with social democracy that the state can make efficient bureaucracy/production structure/service. That's what people don't believe in.
Now obviously it's not a fair test, because rightists in the state actively sabotage any state run operations and spend huge resources to privatize them.
Now they are still different, as state controlled production in capitalism must still plan while negotiating the anarchy of the market. As well as being subject to capitalist crisis.

My highschool history teacher said "communism didn't work in the us because lawyers and Dutch diggers got paid the same" (not even true)
Funny because my super right-wing religion teacher called him a socialist (he probably supported Obama)

This is how military training is done, to instill esprit de corps. Soldiers are trained as platoons, not individuals, so a failure by even one is a failure of the entire unit, and the success of each student is a responsibility shared by everyone.

This is not just the US. I'm from the Netherlands and our teacher told us that communism is when everyone is paid the same amount.

Socializing is actively discouraged in a lot of American schools. It's often against the rules to socialize in class, and breaks between classes are usually a couple minutes so not much time to talk and organize study groups.

Do these things exist outside of Catholic shitholes like Poland and Ireland?