Angela Nagle on the politics of transgression and morality:

Spooks.
You're not going to convince people to act within bounds of conventional morality if they have no reason too.
You have to give them something.There's no moralizing away the alt-right, because they find nothing good in what you consider moral.

Morals are important if you want to make the world a better place.

please reread Stirner, you don't understand morality at all.
the problem isn't "morality" itself, it's the idea that there is some arbitrary objective morality that you hold to a higher importance than your own self interest.

more spooks. jesus fuck, nigger, do you even materialism?

are you this morally bankrupt or do you have autism?

Autism somehow makes all that they say discredited? That's fucking stupid.
Also.
spooky

Why do you even pretend to care about politics if everything is just a spook?

grow up son

Watch me debunk communism in one minute or less:
1. Killing people is morally wrong and introducing socialism would require killing some folks to bring it about
2.taking things that aren't yours is morally wrong especially if they worked hard for it God is also somehow involved here
3. If everyone acted morally capitalism would be perfect

this but unironically
because wage slavery is not beneficial to me

I've finished recently this book. While is an interesting read, I don't feel like I agree with the author when she basically absolves obama "social fascism" and sjw from the creation of the alt right fenomenon. Also not enough focus on the base favoring a superficial superstructure analisis

Where is the morality of being a liberated women (see: whore) that rides the cock carrousel and fucks 50 men before her 25th birthday?

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Where is the immorality? Why does daddy fashie get to tell her what to do with her own body?

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It's the price of freedom

A woman's body is not her own

why are fash the ultimate cucks?

You people give us a bad name, you can't make an argoument with a nazi that is not a meme

Fist, what does make you think that a woman is gonna ride so many cocks? You don't have proof, it's literally "EVERY GIRL IS A WHORE" argoument.

Ive noticed that a lot of fash people never had a real father figure in their life, so and this is just a theory but too many of them have fucked up family lives for me to just write it off, but maybe they feel anxious or emasculated in their masculinity and try to imprint on historical political figures.

You only say that because you mostly agree with him. I don't have to nitpick at his ridiculous example because even if it was true it still wouldn't be wrong. He's just buttfrustrated that the ebul roasties won't sleep with him.

I like memes though

Do you think fascists don't believe in materialism? That they don't want to make the world a better place? Well they do and they do. The problem is they are immoral or amoral.

nigga fascists' entire worldview revolves around morality

She’s wrong. The left should NOT make moral arguments because morality is subjective.

Without moral arguments you can't make any kind of political argument.

wanting to make the world a better place is idealism, not moralism.

Ones based in material realities. Or metaphysical arguments about communities you can make because being in a community is the point of life.

Tell me are you jealous that you don't get to ride the cock carousel or jealous that you weren't one of the 50 hypothetical men to squirt it in an aryan qt?

How can you tell which reality is better without morality?

And this isn't a moral argument?

Why make arguments at all? They never accomplish anything.

Nope I don't. I don't think women will automatically give their pussy away like that, at the same time I agree that women shouldn't act like sluts. But the two things are in no way connected imho. Unless you want sharia law there is no way to control how many man will girls fuck. I've never meet big time sluts at the same time, so they are more of a legend to me than anything.
This too

The time for arguments is over

it's the only accurate thing molymeme has ever said

Yes but their morals are warped. They sincerely believe killing leftists and non whites is the right thing to do.

She's right actually. Subjective or not, most people think genocide is morally wrong, and appealing to the people who think it's not are not worth bothering with.

So, how does this get us closer to communism?

Lrn 2 objective ethics

As our different crises continue to deepen and the world becomes increasingly meaningless, morality and ethics will be beacons of meaning. And furthermore, morality is extremely relevant to asymmetrical/fourth generation warfare.

Yes morals exist, just not objective morals, only subjective morals.
Not that I would act immoral because having people be pissed off at me acts against my self interest and doing things I feel are right satisfies me.

you will find very few people willing to publicly entertain the notion that currents that became dominant on the left had anything to do with the development of the "alt-right" and that "the left" has any responsibility for it. At least not directly. There are a few personalities on the left that will come very close and talk about these things in the same sentence even, but are extremely careful never to directly make the connection. Sometimes listening to them you can almost hear the eggshells they're walking on. If you ask, they might make some noises about left unity or "not legitimizing the narratives of the right" (the left caused nazis!!!!), but if I had to guess, having had a little direct interaction with some of the more """anti-idpol"" podcasters, for example, I'd say they're mostly terrified of being dragged on twitter, losing status, being dropped from orgs they are involved in, seeing patreon money dry up etc. because the people they are very, very careful never to directly accuse of having contributed to the reaction are still everywhere and still in often powerful positions in both formal terms of roles in orgs and also in terms of the audiences they have and influence.

while there are good arguments for why the alt-rights development was inevitable regardless of what the left was doing (and I mean this - there are good, if IMO incomplete, arguments for this) - I really don't get why we're all so unwilling to take the pseudo-fash alt-righters or even the "classic liberal" centrist or lolbert types at their word when they say they did consider themselves "left wing" in some way but felt they were driven out and as a result were more open to hearing from the right (who suddenly didn't seem to be the ogres that "the left" had made them out to be). the response is always something like "well, you were never REALLY a lefty to begin with". I mean, is this really the best we can do? We take people on their word regarding their political development all the time - I became a communist because of exploitation at work, I became a feminist because of the way I was treated as a woman, I became an Islamist because I wanted to resist western imperialism, I became a black lives activist because my black best friend is being hassled by cops. But the moment it comes to somebody saying "I slid rightward because of the shit that was happening in my own camp as a centre-left liberal" or whatever, suddenly we're falling over ourselves to insist this person is being dishonest.

This. Keep your nihilism to yourselves you jaded fucks.
From a layman's perspective, morality is the only appeal leftist movements appear to have over fascist ones.

What movie is that from, is there a new movie out starring my hollywood waifu Mary Elizabeth Winstead?

That's certainly the opinion of the Syphilis bacterium

fargo season 3, it's fantastic. also there's a stalin portrait in one of the villain's scenes in his lair. there are some cool theories about why.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

You know lots of poor white people arent fash, or even particularly reactionary right? How come they didn't turn fash? cause they're not class cucks

good to know

is he sitting in a bunker?

Hedonistic western sluts are destroying society and are the reason we need to be invaded and outbreed by ape people to keep muh pensions viable.

The feeling is mutual.

You're not wrong per se, but until you demonstrate how certain moralities are both grounded in reality and useful tools to tackle the problems at hand, I'm going to assume you're just attempting a classic semantic motte-and-bailey.

No. All morality is a function of ego, and therefore objective as it represents rational self-interest.

Morals aren't real lmao

Who would've imagined

Sure, but you're evading the issue. You're not going to use arbitrary morality and moralism to stop Holla Forums, it's just not going to work.

society needs to be destroyed

Transgression is great.

I like Nagle so I'll bump

It's always amusing to see this image shared, because it displays such a profound ignorance of Bookchin's ideas that the poster could only be either trolling or a fool.

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I'm not even who you're responding to but your level of dishonestly or plain ignorance is obscene. Try better.

>>>/liberty/

The very essence of morality is taking decisions that violate one's immediate self interest in the interest of the long term, collective self interest.

Nice try Holla Forums

Oh I can read,

I can want to make the world a better place solely because its state as it is now frustrates me, not to fulfill any grand crusade of "justice" or whatever.

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Can you provide me with a quote from Murray Bookchin that supports imperialism. I'll wait

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Necrobump

We must defend transgression against normie imperialism.