I think Britain is building in revolutionary potential. I would like to discuss this

I think Britain is building in revolutionary potential. I would like to discuss this.

My main points are these: We saw a swing to the left with voting for Corbyn, the Tories are continuing to fuck things up. Reaction to Trump/Alt Right, etc makes this effect even bigger, the general state of the world for the average British person is that the right and the far right are in power and bungling pretty much everything, really no matter what your demographic besides the core of the core of the Tory vote. There is infighting in the Tory party itself.

On top of this, the long term effects of austerity and failed foreign policy are only now making themselves fully apparent, with several flash points likely to bubble over into potential sites for revolutionary activity.

In the capital particularly but all over Britain, lack of funding is manifesting itself as a housing crisis, now with a large, spectacular example in Grenfell. The population continues to increase, house prices continue to rise, landlords continue to act as cowboys. The state of British housing is rapidly becoming a universal issue for anyone who isn't a home owner. (obviously it also effects home owners and buyers) . This has a huge effect on families and general social decay, the knock on effects of housing on crime are well known, there has been a huge increase in homelessness.

Food insecurity is also on the rise and showing no sign of stopping. Austerity is attacking housing and food, the two things most important to ordinary families.

This brings us to the prison system, the first rumblings of a crisis that shows no sign of slowing have manifested themselves in riots in several prisons, riots which have typically spread to several institutions. Prison conditions are terrible,suicides, self harm and crime within prison are all on the up spiralling out of control while funding, particularly funding for staffing and rehabilitation continues to be cut while the rate of incarceration increases and now the mad bastards have banned smoking in prisons. I can almost guarantee this will cause mass rioting, ill bet a whole months pay of £1300 on it. Tabs are the only thing those poor bastards have

Racial assaults are spiralling upwards, we continue to plunder the middle east and other places in all the ways we do, militarily and financially with debts etc and continue to abuse the environment for profit. While this is happening, immigration will increase. Increased immigration alongside an austerity squeezed working class will mean that this continues to happen and get worse. Race riots will probably be a thing in the not so distant future.

On top of this, attacks on LGBT people are up by 80% according to one article which I can link if you want, considering how the UK is pretty much pro gay no matter where you go, this is going to end up being a blow for the right.

Irish borders during the EU negotiations has the potential to get bloody for obvious reason. Potential tearing apart of families post brexit with draconian immigration laws, all of this causing Scotland to push for a second independence referendum and probably it winning.

Anybody have anything to add to these reasons/ think its all bullshit?

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As a Briton, I agree with this analysis. Something interesting is that the Archbishop of Canterbury; head of the Church of England and a sitting member of the House of Lords basically said yesterday "Fuck me the tories have buggered everything fuck capitalism and shit". We are kinda sleepwalking into a crisis, one I don't think a Corbyn government (without going full Red October) can solve. The best Praxis for us atm is local organisation: formation of soviet-like entities to provide mutual aid and welfare for the people. Organisation is key, and building cohesive community structures will be the means for which we can build a better nation. Things are going to get very dark though, and this will not end well for many: but those they didn't kill will do on to organise.

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theres a reason why you limey pencildicks are always asshurt about North America, and quick to discredit any ground gained here. Its because you have NO CHANCE. Your people will be appeased by socdem bullshit forever, until the future Socialist States of America comes to liberate you.

I would also like to add that we've been distancing ourselves from the eternal eagle since everyone hates Bush, Blair and that "special relationship" bollocks.

Please stay cucked by your police and the corporations that run your country before sperging out on threads about other countries.

This tbh, anti-americanism is at an all time high.

My cousin is a Brit (he's a libdem so his opinions are bullshit but I trust his observations) and he said brexit voters were very pro America and seeing as brexit won, aren't they the majority?

Eh, there is a cadre of pro-yank brexiteers: but to paint the whole lot of them as that is wrong. I was doing canvassing in toryshire the other day, now my area voted to remain but the brexiteers were quite anti-american (One said that he was lad Trump got elected because it gives us a reason to get rid off them).

The pro-american lot don't tend to be the nats but the MUH FREE TRAED hyper capitalists, so upper class tories rather than working class leave.

most Brexit voters are traditionally left pissed of working class people cos there was no leftist answer, this can be seen the the death of UKIp and the rise of Corbyn

Nice hypocrisy, you do it to us constantly on this board, so now im here to do it to you.
What are you gonna do, politely ask your government to dismantle itself? HA. You can't say im wrong.
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Have you ever read any history at all?

You do realise this started after months of Americans offering takes on Europe so hot they gave everyone a nuclear tan for months on end?

I also agree. There's always been a patronising anti-american sentiment in Britain but dislike of our pro-american and pro-saudi foreign policy has grown a lot and people are increasingly seeing the tories as solely dedicated to servicing them. With May's poor performance highlighting their kowtowing to Trump and the Saudis in particular. Brexit has mixed this with anti-eu sentiments and for all their trying to make post-brexit britain afree trade globalist dystopia most don't seem to be falling for it.

Combine that with the surge in support for Corbyn and that labour is now more popular than the tories among all age groups under 50 and among all employment categories except 'retired', as well as the implosion of UKIP I do think there is a possibility for something radical in the UK. When the country is as poor as it is and social decay is everywhere people start getting desperate and angry with their present condition.
My fear is that a Labour government any time soon will fuck everything up as reforms aren't passed or implemented and the markets fuck us over allowing the tories to capitalise upon their 'responsible with the economy' line. I doubt the Labour party can ever be transformed into a revolutionary party and the important thing is that the growing consciousness of the public is not just resting its hopes in labour.
Still if the economic crisis hits anytime soon while the tories are in power it will be a crushing blow to the support the status quo has among britons. The important thing then will be preventing the libdems and their ilk from making the crisis out to be caused by brexit, which they will do. Hopefully labour will in such a situation take an overt stand against capitalism.

most pro-communist country in UK, alba gu bràth comrade

Lel these trends are worldwide brainlet

Fuckin makes me proud. Too bad the Radical Risings/ Scottish insurrection failed. youtube.com/watch?v=Uj8pDvBFPc8
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why is Wales so reactionary?

You better start believing in revolutionary Britain…

It is not only Britain, It's all of western Europe (And when I say western Europe I say Britain, France and Spain) that is building this revolutionary potential.
The same here in Spain, just change Corbyn for Pablo Iglesias and the Tories for the PP. I suppose the same happens in France with Melenchon.
I know this ones are succdems, but I started in politics being a follower of Podemos and now I'm browsing in a obscure vietnamese 5th international nuddles board.
Also, in Spain we're gonna have a tourism bubble (if we're not in one already), so, when your country falls, and when your citizens can no longer afford for those trips to our country, we're gonna hit the ground really hard, and since our country hasn't really recovered from the 2008 crisis (just look at unemployment or the queues for getting food at a food bank here in Spain), this is gonna be like the 1930's. I dunno if France is also building an economic bubble, if a french can explain the situation of their country please do it.
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My impression is less revolutionary. I'm increasingly feeling we're in a sea change situation something like 1975, but this time with the broadly defined "right" left holding the fuckup stick.

Although considering the divides between cosmopolitans and localists, liberals and reactionaries in frogs clothing, and so on, I'm surprisingly optimistic. By sticking to the older political divide I get the feeling the change I'd like to see is more likely than not - mostly increased infrastructure investment and a restoration of the welfare state adapted for modern circumstances. (By which I mean the circumstances of employment, not entirely artificial fiscal circumstances.) Perhaps the biggest wildcard is technology. The internet companies could still fuck everything up. Nightmarish things.

And I mean, even if that's not right at least political managerialism has taken several kicks to the cock.

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You imported the entirety of Pakistan of Nigeria. Of course crime is going to sky rocket, the prisons will overflow and the poofters will not be safe to walk the streets. You are under occupation from hostile foreigners. The UK as you know it will not exist in another generation but communism is certainly not what will replace it. Enjoy.

Something interesting is that what's happening now is pretty much exactly what the Stalinists predicted in the 30s: the destruction of the moderate left to the benefit of the radical left.

All the major social-democratic parties of Europe are being forced to choose between oblivion (Parti Socialiste) and radicalization (Labour). The rise of the "radical centre" has effectively prevented the revival of succdem parties as usually happens during turbulent times.

And of course, this is all before the next recession, which we're frankly overdue for.

Lads, what did he mean by this?

I'll give this one a 3/10.

I damn well hope it is, considering that I'll probably move there in a couple years. Carry the torch for us burgers, lads!

He thinks seeing non-ehite non-blue eyed people on the street means the country is overflooded with "le blakz xDDDDDDDDDDD"
or it was just shitty bait. In case it was, it's really really really shitty bait

Why even allow "don't know" as an answer? It's worthless data which just clutters up the results.

because a portion of the sample was unable to decide

It does give an indication of how much they buy into the "horseshoe theory" narrative. The size of the gray bar basically measures how many of them are filthy status-quo-loving, boot-licking centrists.

Compared to what baseline though? Corbyn performed better than expected but he still didn't win. It feels like the overton window has moved further and further to the right, and now it has shifted just a tiny bit to the left. Labour pre-Blair used to be able to actually win elections you know, and now people are celebrating and acting like the revolution is just around the corner because Labour almost won an election. I'm not from the UK and don't know much about british politics but this level of optimism seems absurd to me.

I actually think this is bad news for the left, because I bet this is mostly muslim immigrants doing. At least that has been the case in some european countries where homosexuals have started supporting the right wing to a greater extent because of it. If the right wing is smart they will try to portray themselves as the ones protecting "western values", women's rights, tolerance of LGBTQ people, etc. from the muslim barbarians that the left wants more immigration of.

Supprised it’s so high for remainers.

I'm not. The anti-EU left is a relatively small subset who have bought into the narrative that foreign workers are not part of the proletariat and that communism in a single country is possible. The youth are generally sympathetic to a more anarchist kind of communism and don't give a fuck about borders.

No one is saying that immigrants aren’t part of the proletariat. There saying that immigration is bad for the native proletariat. Also the EU is imperialist.

Because Anglos are illiterate

It's rural

Wew lad, nice strawman. How many people do you get to brush off a day with that? It's because the EU will never be reformed.

And why should this "native proletariat" be given special consideration?

The UK government is imperialist and will continue to be for as long as the people are imperialist.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.

The problems with the EU go far beyond open borders.

Though as far as I know the sane non meme-tier anti-EEC SocDem left, despite being right about literally everything, are about 3 people and none of them are in parliament.


Because the British government exists to represent the British people, not to act as a general purpose charitable organization.

Now I must note that my position on that matter is much more about free trade than immigration. I would hold the British Government's duty is first and foremost to those living in the UK including present immigrants, rather than falling into any arguments over birth.

In wider political terms - public rallies and whatever - this doesn't really apply. But the commons ought to be "ours."

Tell that to Scotland you piece of shit, the day of the rope will be ours. 61%commie vs 8% fash. What's 8% of 5 million? Doesn't matter, you will all die

Stick the word "rich" in front of "British people" and you've accurately summarised the capitalist position.
Diving people along lines of physical location is just as arbitrary and unjust as dividing people along lines of wealth, especially when those physical lines are strongly correlated with wealth inequality.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. You will never achieve communism in a single country. When it happens, it will rapidly spread across the entire globe.

Fee Fi Fo Fum, I smell the horrors of Liberal…isum.

Did you read the rest of it?
I assume you'd have some complaints if the government decided that everyone with an address in the City of London only had to pay half as much tax as everyone else, right?

Also you really should have gone with the "Fum" -> "liberal scum" rhyme. "Ism" doesn't rhyme with "fum".

I would have no complaints if the government decided on such a huge tax hike for the City of London.

All of this is just as much a recipe for a fascist reaction. The racial tensions are there, they are a good vehicle for it. Right now, no big porky is investing it yet, but give them time.

How do you think they get their tax breaks? They aren't actually following different laws - they are just rich enough to use financial instruments which aren't available to the common people.
If the rates of VAT/income/corporation/capital gains/etc. tax were halved, they really would be paying (approximately) half as much tax as they currently do.

Look at the stats, that is part of what I mean, but when the right get serious and start killing people, that's when things will get polarised and that commie leaning majority stamps them out. Look at Greece for an example, they have it bad, but they people have them under control despite their presence in the police

You said half as much as everyone else, though. That's a quantity received.

Yeah, I admit I phrased it badly.

For the British economy Brexit is an economic crisis in and of itself. This is however an excellent opportunity for Labour; should the government-in-waiting fulfill its promise, it will have unprecedented freedom of action. Economic contraction from pro-people economic policy can be blamed on Brexit (and thus by association the party of Brexit - Tories) while EU regulations don't limit nationalisation and other anti-competitive legislation.


The UK has a two-party system, the Tories are crumbling under any and all pressure and going from fuckup to fuckup. Tories are becoming less and less popular and electable while Labour is on the ascendancy. At the moment, Labour looks like a government-in-waiting, though much can happen.