What is the leftist view on pornography?

Fascists or SJW, decide.
Also I'm pretty sure you don't know how pornography works

Is that Lana Rhoades? Asking for a friend.

im watching porn right now.

Same thing, different name. See vid.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with amateur. Professional is just another aspect of capitalism and its negative aspects would not exist if we abolished the value form. This also goes for the general contractualization of sex described by Zizek.
Pornography is a non-issue. We're better off addressing class in general, as goes for everything else.

It's Mandy Muse actually

I guess no. Then it wouldn't be pornography. It would just two people filming sex.
Hope you are not that fucking poster that is stalking me because if it's you then you are massive fucking hypocrite who would have call me Holla Forums for saying this.

My friends says thanks.

That's literally what pornography is.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography
There's probably no one stalking you. Everyone just hates your stupid knee-jerk anti-American posting. It reeks of thinly-veiled fascism.

youtube.com/watch?v=SNlRoaFTHuE&feature=youtu.be&t=1m18s
youtube.com/watch?v=1Fu7gDyooHw

Homemade films are not pornography and I hope that by amateur you intended homemade and not GDP tier shit because that's the worse kind.

What's GDP? GirlsDoPorn? That's professional or otherwise the same because it's for money.
People post them online on porn sites for other people to see them and stimulate themselves. It's absolutely porn.
Nobody uses your autistic definition of porn as specifically something which is commercially made - it only exists for you to jive with your social cons_rvatism. Is that tankie disingenuity that I smell?
Certainly, there will be less of it overall in the future. That does not mean that it will disappear.

It's fine. Of course professional porn is shitty for a number of reasons, but homemade porn is what I enjoy.

Totally not ad hominem, bet that if it was another poster with another flag you'd even agree with him
Are nudes of a girl porn by your definition?

It's fine, as long as you didn't pay for it. Masturbation is a revolutionary act - in liberates leisure time from the pressure that is put on us to devote all leisure time to the consumption of commodities. If we all spent all our free time masturbating, capital would find it very hard to reproduce itself indeed.

I just love it way too much, m8s.

As for your thread, it's pure commodification of the human body.

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Clearly wrong because capital is reproducing itself just fine.

I think pornography for the sake of eroticism and something people make voluntarily without being compelled by economic needs is great. I would love to see a society where people make pornography because they wanted to and not because it was a means to have their material needs met. In short I don't think the state shouldn't interfere with what pornography people consume as long as the people who make it are consenting adults.

Bet you are a vegan and a nudist too

Yes you spooked pedant. Stop moralizing and fuck off.

He's right you wannabe pimp. Kill yourself.

I swear to god the anarchists will be burned at the stake when I'm in power.

Also Dworrkins a cute. CUTE!!!

Stop trying to denigrate her.

Anything that isn't total freedom of doing whatever you want is moralazing? Having a fucking standard of decency is?

Only drawn porn is moraly acceptable.

I'm just going to assume that you aren't a native English speaker, because I don't know where you've gotten your definition of pornography. If you want to criticize the porn industry, that's right and good and you're unlikely to find any disagreement here. If on the other hand you think images of naked dicks and pussies touching is badwrong for some contrived bullshit reason then you're welcome to your opinion.

Pornography is Western capitalist fun and shouldn't exist in free anarchist-communist society.

It is you dumb chink no matter how much you strawman people you don't like as le anargiddi nudist vegan xxdd you are totally disconnected from reality if you don't think nudes are porn

Absolutley, when I talk about porn I mean industry not dicks and pussi.

The academic definition of pornography includes nudes, but I wasn't referring to that.
Fun fact, pornography in korea is banned

I agree with this guy

I fully support pornography

Are we talking about imageboards or pornography?

Both make feel dirty and ashamed after, so I really don't know
Mine wasn't a statment, it was a cry for help

That 3D is PD.

best job under capitalism.

lol how is paying for porn any different than paying for any other commodity get out of here with this nonsense.

But it says socialism right there in the name! - Nationalsozialismus

Under capitalism, the worker is alienated from the product of his labor. In pornography, the worker is alienated from her own body. Thus, we can say pornography represents a particularly brutal for of capitalism.

The definition of pornography Stalinstache is using is the standard definition used by radical feminists since at least the 70s.

It's one of the worst jobs that's still allowed to exist in the first world.

lool suuure it is just admit your a prude and move on.

Same goes for any physical labor tbh. And male pornstars are not better off. In fact they get paid much much less than their female costars.

Depends. Not all porn is the degrading fetish porn that feminists seem to think comprises all porn.

Agreed. 3DPD will naturally wither away and only doujinshi will remain.

In the end, all degenerates will be executed whilst the worthy will have their minds uploaded to a virtual reality heaven where they can be cute girls and do cute things for the rest of eternity.

Moeshit is so fucking weird to me. I don't know what mindset people who enjoy it unironically are in.

The only worse 1st world job I can think of off the top of my head is the kind of farming done mostly by migrants from Mexico and Central America.
Not an argument

Not to the same extent. If I use my body to, say, make a chair, I'm alienated from that chair but the chair isn't *me*, it's a thing. Whereas pornography separates one from oneself.
I used "she" because most people in porn are women.
Most of it may not be like BDSM or whatever but a very significant portion (maybe most) is at least mildly degrading. And even if it's "nice" porn it's still inherently exploitative.

SO MUCH FOR THE ANTI IDPOL, ANTI LIBERAL STALINSTACHE

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It is actually, the defenitive commodification of the human body. Watch these motherfucker

The mindset where you're a maladjusted depressed male who lives vicariously through an overly saccharine depiction of what the life of the ever unattainable and mysterious female is like to forget about the miserable fuck-up that is reality.

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falseflag or reddit, episode 202195786

The tankie has a point. Professional pornography i.e. pornography as a business is very exploitative. The difference between a socialist critique and a critique from an SJW/christian puritan perspective is pretty simple. Are you in favor of free distribution of amateur pornography between consenting adults? Are you in favor of drawn pornography?
Under socialism there will be no pornography as a commodity, but made by people in their free time. I have no doubt that socialism will lead to a surge of amateur pornography.

These threads tend to devolve into Puritanism regardless.

how about cleaning up hazardous waste, deep sea fishing, mining or cleaning the windows on skyscrapers those all seem like worst jobs to me than porn, not even saying porn isn't shitty like other jobs are but alot of the shit that goes on in porn are really due to the moral rejection society at large has to it allowing alot of criminal shit to go on since it is a "seedy" industry with little regulation but that isn't necessarily something exclusive to porn either.
You shouldn't be aliened from the person railing you not your own body tbh prostitutes and porn actors have a alot more control and agency over their jobs than alot of other industries do getting to choose their clients and stop anytime they don't feel safe.
Literally ALL jobs under capitalism are exploitative whether you're literally getting fucked or not has nothing to do with it.

There are multiple views.
I'm in favor.

Economic analysis. Everything else is pure bourgeois ideology.

Fair
Also fair BUT there's been a huge decrease in the number of fatalities and injuries (at least in the US).
This sounds pretty safe tbh, you stand on a big ass platform, unless there was an error in manufacturing the platform or you're scared of heights you'll be fine.
This might be true for big-name pornstars and escorts who cater exclusively to the very wealthy but your average girl doesn't get to turn shit down. If we're bringing prostitutes into this then the large majority of them are being pimped out, which means they have very little freedom.
But unlike every other job there's a horde of people on Holla Forums ready to defend it. If I started a thread about how shit cleaning up hazardous waste is (to use your example), no one would suggest that I just have some personal hangup with it and that the real problem is that society has a moral problem with cleaning up hazardous waste.

Someone here ever saw hot girls wanted? Go see that shit instead of talking

Vapid comment which means nothing and just throws around some buzzwords.

Hot Girls Wanted was very one sided and could have shown actually successful girls.

True probably shouldn't have included them but if we're strictly talking about porn actors they have pretty much full control over who they do business with though undoubtedly coercion is often involved but again this isn't something exclusive to the porn industry by any means.
Yeah because alot of people really-really like porn and alot of people even think it seems like a pretty sweet gig compared to flipping burgers or whatever monotonous shit they do for a living. Porn is entertainment, people are fairly defensive of entertainment in our society I guarantee if leftist were railing against vidoegames or movies as much as porn people would be equally defensive.

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Holy shit. Idiot. The documentary was really about how this small town girls, intoxicated by consumerism, hungry for fame and wanting to break a few rules went on a trip to get fucked for 300 burgerbux infront of a camera. One of the first scenes of the movie is literally a guy who says that best case scenario they last one year and a half, todays industry with amateur and internet is really different, Porn divas are rare. If you think that girls do that shit just for the money you got 0 idea on how a woman mind works and what are the effects of capitalist culture on people. What you are saying is that Upton Sinclair's The Jungle was very one sided because didn't show immigrant workers that did have success in america.

Here take a look at the successful girl.
youtube.com/watch?v=9NyzCJx4IiI

Nietzsche is spooked af tbh, this pic is all wrong.

No need to insult me. I'm still trying to learn more about the topic.
Can you explain more?

Bourgeois life-denying moralism

What did he mean by this?

You realize the video you linked is exactly about what others were berating you for? The video was basically: society is prudes and will systematically block you out for doing porn if you ever got famous for it.

Radfems are the "kill all men" liberal feminists which this board has always stood against until you tankies brought along your goddamn authoritarianism and idpol. If you can't handle this place, leave! This isn't your "safe space" and it never will be!
When I looked up "Andrea Dworkin quote", these were among the 1st 3 results. Absolutely r/socialism-tier.
>>>/reddit/
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Oh, and it's "definitive", you illiterate. My first language is Spanish and I still speak English better than you! For all your knee-jerk railing against America, you sure write like you came from the best and the brightest of the Alabama school system.
Good thing you'll never be in power.
She's a fat cow and you should feel bad for liking that. Obesity is a massive drain on societal resources. Fat-shaming is perfectly acceptable and should be encouraged.

The industry is a disgusting, exploitative, shithole that should be destroyed. There is nothing inherently wrong with porn in itself though.

haha no

They are liberal as the word "liberal" is commonly understood on imageboards (and beyond in quite a few circleS). Whatever you call them, they're not socialist and they're the precursors to modern SJWs.

It is sin.

20k for a week of work?! Fuck this woman, I don't feel fucking sorry for this lumpenprole at all.

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Rare photo of Kwakiutl masturbation demon. Every time you masturbate he drains your testosterone and will power, making you think you are free while enslaving you to lust.

Feels good to not be a burger.

looks like he knows how to have a good time, if you know what I mean!

lol

impeccable logic

right, he hated unborn babies and cared more about a woman's "right" to do what she pleases with her body

despite Jesus whipping merchants out of the temples himself

Much of it is reptitive trash and the industry is very exploitative. So pretty much like everything else under capitalism except because sex is involved some faggots will get triggered or defend the women as being empowered.

Doing porn is great compared to other jobs in terms of pay and shit. Right now if I as a 25 year old dude went into porn I'd be making more than any job I could get and get more time to read or play vidya. It's not as bad as being a trashman, burger flipper, bullet catcher, or any of the plethora of shitty low paid jobs that is available to the average prole.

what do people there fap to then

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No you fucking retard. The story of the adulteress means that we should forgive and not judge people by what they did in the past once they have regretted and stopped doing whatever bad they did.

whatever

get the fuck out of here

Reported for NSFW thread attachment

Don't worry I only asked to delete the file, not the thread.

Wholesome amateur erotica. I spent my teenage years reading it before I figured out the mechanics of masturbation, and then just never really stopped.

That and imagination. I'm pretty good at that, what with fapping to words on a screen and all.

It's fucking awesome.

As long as it's transgender porn it's okay.

i dont have a problem with porn i just have a problem with the act of cumming

This thread was so fucking bad. The only time I ever got called a liberal and a sjw

Porn is bad for you. Masturbation is fine, but porn really does pervert our view of sexuality. As pointed before, it's the ultimate form of exploitation and commodification. If you still arent convinced just look where the majority of porn is coming from (Burgerland).

This.

jesus this board poster quality got dropped hard eh

Obviously I think Leftists haven't elected a provisionary prophet for mans testicles and that is a problem

Mandy Muse is legit in my top 10 when it comes to pornstars. She's got a can do attitude and a big ass and that's all you need in the industry!😉👍

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This. Pornography is cancer. The r9k crowd spawned because they saw so much pornography they can't even grasp beauty in common people you cross paths on your daily life.
Worst! There's even people who can only get aroused with japanese cartoons.

Every criticism of porn I have ever seen seems to fixate on some subset of porn. People don't realize what a wide variety there is. Case in point these posters think porn = "professional" porn with big titties, long dicks, and cheesy dialogue. There's shitloads of niche and genre porn that showcases realistic scenarios and people. For fuck's sake there are a lot of people who will just do what they normally do but with a camera running.