Step aside, Vegan ISIS. You undermine the Trump resistance

I unironically believe this is the kind of thinking that went on behind the scenes. Trevor Noah is so abysmally awful that hiring (and keeping) him has to be some kind of ploy.

If it wasn't for anti-fa shaming the libs these pussies would have rolled over for the fash again.

The underlying assumptions in all those liberal anti-violence talking points is the idea that peaceful protest is the best approach to social change. Mainstream historiography completely forces any civil rights leader that isn't MLK and any decolonization leader that isn't Gandhi out of sight, and give people the wrong idea that you win by attaining different degrees of respectability. We have to change that.

ah yes thanks for your time

Even then, MLK was growing more radical as time went by. He's been turned into an icon and emptied of all its radical potential by mainstream historiography like many other such figures.

Maybe a good place to start is by explaining that this concept of respectability is built on elitism - on seeing the "under classes" as inferior. And also to point out that MLK knew and said that if he didn't succeed peacefully violence would follow. We couldn't have an MLK today because the liberal establishment would not believe the threats of violence looming behind someone like that. And any association with violence at all immediately tanks respectability, which is all contemporary liberals care about because above all else they must remain inoffensive to keep ad revenue high. The liberal establishment thought needs to be abandoned and ignored tbh. Before too long they're going to get so batshit insane that all but the most sheepish people will lose any ability to take them seriously.

That's the point. You stopped them, so you aren't useful for the system anymore.

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Fash is daddy
Make enough limp wristed bois and daddies little princesses and its inevitable
Of course they'll bend over for daddy

As far as the real MLK is from the legend, the real MLK was intensely criticized by leftists in the civil rights movement for his approach and strategies too. And those are the people we need to focus on, bring them back into the spotlight.

There wont be anymore malcom x's or hughy newtons's sadly

That baby bumping motherfucker is the most overrated figure in history.

That's the problem right there. But if we're going to change this we need to organize.

faminegenocide.com/resources/teachingkuryliw.html

Look at this bullshit right there. Because of nationalist Ukrainian organizations, kids are already being taught a version of the Ukrainian famine that virtually no recent Soviet scholar agrees with.

Buy they won't know their labour history, they won't know the history of their socialist and communist party, nothing about their government's violent and repressive acts, etc. just like how americans know nothing about Debs, nothing about the Civil Rights' communists, almost nothing about the BPP.

Holy shit.
Propaganda taught at school is a real fucking problem. In Italian schools they teach that tito was worse then stalin because of the foibe "massacre". I really don't see a solution besides infiltrating the school system. The alternative is shouting fake news to everything but that's not working out for the orange man, I doubt it will work for us

I can't believe I used to think like this just a few years ago…

How fucking out of touch do you have to be to compare people protesting nazis to Islamofascists?

You have to treat them nice and gentle
Do nothing rash, they're sensitive
You must be somewhat sentimental
Respectful of the way they live
Don't let your dogs attack them on the street
Embrace the fascists where you may meet

If they should call for hate or violence
Just let them talk, it is their right
And keep your protestations silent
You wouldn't want to start a fight
For fighting is what they do best
Embrace the fascists and you'll be blessed

And if they fire their guns upon you
Is life so precious in your eyes?
You would be sheep with wolves around you
Why not be gladly victimized?
And if you feel inside your guts
The Nazi dagger's blade
Embrace the fascists that you have made

Kurt Tucholsky, 1932

The role of (social) democrats is sedating the people into compliance.
Everything they do is rationalizing to stand down. Effectively they are promoting their "opponents". Social fascists are the left fig leave of fascism. Stalin and Thälmann were right. Peoples front only works in the imperialist periphery and exploited nations under the condition of breaking it up after defeating the fascists and an immediate take down of the (social) democrats.

Is antifa wordfiltered or is that a joke?

is trevor noah nazbol?

No, he just thinks he has the Jewish equivalent of N Word muh privileges.

he seems more like a fucking robot that Google programmed.

It really ought to be the filter. Worth a chuckle imo.

You've clearly haven't read Zizek's hot take on punching Nazis:

he was deflecting and saving face

THAT'S THE ANGRIEST WAY TO TWEET WHOAH!

That's unironically the best thing to do when dealing with those "fascists" (reactionaries, yes, actual fascists, no). You'll never fight their ideas out of existence with these small scale spergouts, so the most valuable thing about doing anything with or to them at all is making them look as bad as possible, which is what you do by being pacifist protestors. Remind yourself of the fact that the left looked the best after Charlotteville because an IWW member got ran over by a bloodlusting aut-rightist.

wtf I like antifa now

He's a faggot

Of course he was. It's unthinkable that Zizek could be wrong about something.

This. Violents on this spergs is counterproductive and wasted

I have and I agree with him what he says there. However, I also disagree with the liberal dogma of "Violence is never the answer" and I'm pretty sure Zizek is too.

"Fighting" Fascism is futile anyway. Fascism is a symptom of capitalism rotting.
By the time you need to "fight" Fascism it's already too late. Capitalism is what needs to be opposed.
And as you said, you cannot fight Fascism on an intellectual level. Not because it is sophisticated, but because it isn't grounded in logic. It's feels > reals. It's mythology.

antifa are mostly a bunch of edgy kids LARPing because they want to have fun and feel like they're significant. I doubt any of them read beyond the wikipedia page on socialism much less read a word of Marx. they have zero theoretical understanding so they end up supporting social democracy and collaborating with the bourgeois by doxxing people to their employer or the state

Getting fascists fired is an acceptable practice.

you're collaborating with the bourgeoise. that's exactly the type of shit I was talking about. historically, "antifascist" movement wore horrendous and back-stabbed the working class by collaborating with bourgeois liberals like in 30s Spain and by supporting liberal democracies.

the enemy is capitalism. fascism is a side of capitalism and is a threat as long as capitalism is reality.

not really. have you seen social media? everyone tried to pin the blame on the leftists.

I have and it's probably you who's got something in your eyes. Never before in the past 10 years did the left look as good in the US as it did after Charlottesville.

Social media is garbage though tbf.

well if you're looking at richard spencer's twitter that kind of thing is expected
everyone else dropped these chucklefucks like they were a hot potato
of course, a week or so later the usual right/centrist suspects started writing articles and whining about antifa but in those couple of days after cville everyone was dumping on the altright

some decent comments in the comments section putting him in his place

a few years ago i really thought this wave of fascism would somehow be different to the 30s, like we had evolved to a point where the old tricks wouldn't work but i guess some things never change.

I hate Trevor Noah so fucking much. He's twice the liberal that Jewish guy before him was, and half as funny

He does. So do I. But I think Antifa are incredibly tactically naive. They're always 2 steps behind.
They just got lucky once at cville that that fash guy killed Heyer. But the fash are regrouping and proactive and constantly thinking about tactics.
Antifa think they have momentum but shit changes fast and they are in for a shock at some point as the fash are just pretending to be weak while antifa are pretending to be strong.

I hate Ghandi so much I wanna punch that motherfucker in the face every time I see his stupid picture

He's about 1/10 as funny at most. He's lighthearted enough to carry the show but he's not as good as Stuart in many ways. Yes, Stuart was a liberal, but he still had some punch in his words. He was intelligent and also compassionate. He was a product of the Bush years and for that time period he was pretty good. Basically he was just right for the time period and I think he was needed. Trevor can't really do what he did because he just doesn't have that spark. Trevor is just another liberal shitting on Trump. He's not just not as funny, he's also less important and impactful. I was very disappointed with the change in hosts. They should have just killed the show.

With Stewart you could at least tell he gave a shit about how fucked things were. Noah does that "hip" nihilism thing that causes the satire to lose all its bite and turn into an Aaron Sorkin tier circlejerk of witticisms.

charlottesville is ancient history though

No, he is what led to the glut of liberal commentariat we have now. He had good elements to him but they are overshadowed by the function he had of "theatrifying" politics. The problem with Jon Stewart's legacy is that it pacifies people by turning everything into a joke about how crazy politics are and then directing people on whom to vote for. All his imitators copied that part effectively while leaving out his humanity and passion that made him appealing and relatable. Jimmy Dore is an example of someone who has both, but his politics are a lot lefter than Stewart's (not overtly left enough though). What would actually help us is a genuine radical playing this role of Juvenalian satirist who agitates people against the establishment and directs people to organize.

yet somehow Paul Ryan is still in power

I feel like the position of disciplined reserved self-defense is the best position for a socialist movement to take. You can do your stupid Nazi LARP fest, but the minute you lay a hand on someone or start destroying shit or follow and harass someone, were responding in self-defense. Bonus points if you live in a "stand your ground" state.