I'm a leftist, but I find it really it hard not to be a woman hater

I'm a leftist, but I find it really it hard not to be a woman hater.

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Have you tried talking to bitches?

good for you

why? are you jealous?
i wish i got laid more too

You go in the same pot as people who hate other people because how they act in this society.

It's okay as long as you still manage not to be one.

Everyone including women, are restricted by society. Don't hate the player; hate the game. Women who act shitty are almost always that way because capitalism makes it in their interest to be.

for me that always stemmed from self-hatred and hatred of my family/determinism/loneliness once i started getting help it's decreased almost entirely. it's a toxic mindset that'll ruin your life in the long run so take care

Why?

I don't understand the hatred women get on chans so much. They're pretty cool to me generally. Most of my good friends have been girls.

Lots of dudes here are not attractive (physically or otherwise), which is kind of a prerequisite for girls to even want to look at you (platonically). And it's not like it takes a majority, just a handful of girls who gave a dude a really bad experience can turn him into a bigot. Same as racism really. But teenage girls in highschool can be surprisingly vicious. There's a whole thing with people discovering their agency and power over each other, and they're in an environment that mimics prison and alienates everyone. It's a recipe for people being shitty to each other.

Speak for yourself lad

Uggo detected.

I'm attractive enough, just being real dude. There's no judgment from me.

I know anecdotes don't count for much, but in my experience girls don't tend to have much of a problem having unattractive guy friends.

I've never seen the whole 'girls literally despise unattractive guys with a burning hatred' meme play out in real life.

Maybe I just move in abnormal circles.

It's not that they hate them. It's that they don't acknowledge them and those guys read it as hatred when it's closer to disdain or disgust.

y tho

No different from what guys do to be honest. Matter of fact girls care a lot less bout looks than guys from what I see on the daily. 5/10 guys with 8/10 girls and sheit…

no, you're right, it's a dumb oversimplification.
what girls want and look at is social status. which is not even necessarily money, but you need to have some kind of "situation", even if that is being part of a criminal gang, and basically offer a predictable life.
girls are preoccupied with their own emotions, because they are told they're important, and want to be able to "feel" unhindered, including in bad ways. men on the other hand are taught not to show emotion.

Did you guys miss where I said here
>Lots of dudes here are not attractive (physically or otherwise)

I'm an ugly, autistic nerd and I still have friends who are female. Just don't be a cunt

Fuck it, next time you feel like you're being woman-hateric hold that thought, write it down on a piece of paper and give it to your mum. I know you don't hate her so maybe you've gotta start seeing a little bit of her when you look at women you ain't related to pr even know.

Fug, my nazbol reputation is ruined

Lucky for you, hating women vs. leftism is a false dichotomy. Unlucky for you, you're a moron.

Nigga I look like a goddamn bridge troll and I still have an active sex life and somewhat alive social circle.

You and OP need to get laid. Bougie's the problem, not women.

i hate everybody who rejects me and i try to be as enjoyable and relatable as possible

but people keep rejecting me

ergo i h a t e. what's stupid is that people try to defend this always saying it's your fault or you did this wrong. like jesus christ? the gaslighting is immense. some people are just not attractive. it makes you feel like a criminal to want someone and be told no, it means that you shouldn't have in the first place and requires you to promptly destroy an aspect of yourself to continue functioning

those are the options really. internal rancor or projection (women hating). no reason to demean someone for being unattractive as well, as long as women have the material means to decide their own destiny the fact that some men hate women is immaterial

You can be ugly and autistic but still have a good personality. You can be pretty and too socially awkward to have a social life. I'm not the one saying it's about looks.

You tried fucking girls you think you might have a chance with? You know, the ones you might not actually wanna fuck at a first glance? There's somebody for everybody, m8.

and then you said :
It's not.

having friends who are female is easy mode. actually they're very kind and sweet and being intimate with your friends from time to time is amazing. i hate that men have this weird hatred for each other

however a girlfriend is impossible. fuck women

I've been single since February. I feel your pain, comrades. Still, I don't hate women. Fuck, that's bang outta order.

Women tend to ignore men who aren't attractive to them. That's what I'm saying.

Transhumanism tho. What's that all about? Does that mean nanobots can keep me alive forever in like 20 years time?

Do you literally 'hate' women? why?

i mean this sounds selfish but i think it's wrong that i should be having sex with people i don't find attractive. that being said not only do i not know what constitutes girls i might have a chance with but i get rejected by overweight girls who are stereotypically considered lowest on the totem pole (not by me)

24 and never kissed a girl

How heavy are you?

I kind of know this feel. I don't dislike many of the women I know personally, but honestly sometimes I can't stand the way women think in general

A whole 6 months? Jesus how have you survived?
God I hate namefags

Not even as a kid? A little peck on the cheek when playing house with the neighbourhood kids? Fuck…

I'm skinny

Never had many women friends, had a few relationships, all relationships ended with me hating women more.

It was stronger when I was a libertarian in my teen years, but it's more tangible now that I'm a socialist and I'm around female comrades all the time, and most of this time I feel like I'm repressing tons of thoughts and emotions because I don't want to be singled out as the woman hater.

Yes, the stereotype you're thinking of applies here: I've managed to stumble my way into relationships before, but I'm a loner, I'm sexually frustrated, I'm a loser, I have low social skills, everything you'd expect.

parents didn't let us play with the neighbors

Don't judge. It's been rough.

Fam, this isn't exclusive to women. No one wants to talk to someone they don't like. I used to be a colossal asshole with no friends, then I grew the fuck up and got my shit together and now I'm fine. The problem isn't women, it's you.

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Where do these girls normally turn you down? Where fo you meet them? At clubs? On the street? You just go up and talk to them? Cuz if that's how you do it you're gonna get rejected a lot. Let it happen organically.

Sounds like some bourge-shit.

Whatever you people do, stay the hell away from prostitutes.
I understand the allure, but it's as far from the real thing as it can be, and you'll feel like a piece of shit for months afterwards. Trust me, I've been there, I know you feel lonely and horny and feel like fapping isn't enough, but you're just making it worse.

All women are prostitutes tbh.

no in person or over text it's usually yea sounds fun who else is coming or yes then no and i'm busy and busy and busy. people who i already know and get along with

meet on campus and through friends. the most success, little that it is, i've had bars but that doesn't ever have follow up

OP here. I really can't picture this happening.

Feeling like a piece of shit, I mean.

Don't sound too bad. You fuck any of them? How old are you?

Women tend to set higher standards than men. And again, this isn't a problem for me. I just listen to people who have problems I don't and try to understand.

I'm 24 and I've had sex many times but never kissed a girl.

I've now got a weird problem that I don't think many other people have. I'm extremely used to being a BDSM dominant and finding women off fetish spaces, which makes me pretty confident around women, but I'm completely clueless as to how to do a regular, romantic relationship. Candles and roses feels as awkward to me as it'd feel to a normie to dress up in a gimp suit and stuff a plug up their ass. I think I fucked myself over and broke myself and I don't know how to get out of this hole. Most women I meet just want a quick fling, but the few who start probing for more romance start to weird me out and I don't know what to do. I definitely don't hate women though, this shit's entirely on me.

never had sex or been in a relationship. 23 years of age. its excruciating

Oh, trust me, you will.
I fell for it twice, both times I thought I'd just empty my balls, have some fun and be done with it. Except the sex is awful because it's basically stripped down to rubbing your dick against something cause neither of you gives a shit about the other. Then after you nut the shame kicks in because you fooled yourself into thinking you were above the social stigma but you totally fucking weren't. You may also get paranoid about stds if you're anything like me.

I don't think anyone does this. It seems like boomers living vicariously through Hollywood fiction.

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. What do you wear normally? You at least make an effort? I'm just tryna figure out where you're going wrong.

If you're a complete virgin, it's really worth pointing out that the physical act of sex isn't that interesting. People say it a lot, but it's absolutely true. There's nothing particularly special about a pussy. Your hand is better, assuming you know how to masturbate well and you can work your glans and do whatever it is you do to make yourself feel good- you'll know your dick far better then any prostitute. Sex is only worthwhile for the emotional bond. People who regularly bang prostitutes do it because they are either deluded into thinking there's an emotional bond or can temporarily delude themselves into it.

Try banging someone that isn't a sack of potatoes some time (admittedly harder than losing your V card tbh).

It's very easy friend…I am a fatty autistic turd. I'm currently on my 2nd gf.
The first one, i was virgin, 23 years old and never had a girlfriend before. She was much more experienced than me, she had various boyfriends before me…i honestly still struggle to understand how a chick like that fell for me. She clearlu had no problems getting a boyfriend.
I really hate labels…but i am a beta who prefers to cuddle for hours than having sex for 5 minutes. So i used to do that a lot. Why don't you try that?
There was never candles and roses…we would just put some music and cuddle four hours in silence. It felt so good!

Pillow talk smoking joints is objectively the best part of your life and almost everything else is shitty filler.

You sound, honest to god, like a fucking alien to me. I sometimes can see where a person is coming from even if I don't share their sentiments, but I can't even understand your thought process here.

How so?

Considering how many khv /r9k/ faggots only want women who are supermodels I highly doubt that.

They can also like degradation, or the desperation behind it. Like, enjoy precisely the feeling that you're using a woman like you'd use an object.

mostly things that fit well and aren't oversized or crinkled up. i put a non-zero amount of effort into how i dress. like chinos, sneakers and tshirt jacket combo

Neither of us giving a shit about one another is not something that would bother me and I don't understand why would it bother anyone. Fooling myself into thinking I'm above social stigma … the social stigma of what, exactly? There's nothing about prostitution I consider something to be ashamed of.

Not in a snarky way, but are you a virgin? 'Cause that would explain that line of thinking.

i assume you don't sperg out about bourgies and kulaks when talking to people

lmao how

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Are you perhaps a manlet?

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no but i do query people about particular leaders to get a hint at how open i can be or how class-cucked they are, i think i'll stop doing it now though

i asked someone recently what they thought of duterte and since it was presented so unassuming i don't think they knew what answer they were supposed to give. this really flustered them and it was awkward but that's not something that happens often. i only mention it because i think i ought to reevaluate how i come off

i'm 5'8"

my sincere apologies for not having already learned

Dropped

Speaking of that, I always get confrontational when this subject comes up, depending of what they say, and I feel this has ruined a few potential hookups.

One hability I really wish I had is to be able to lie and lie well. Just be one of those guys that gets into character when they're trying to fuck. Lie about your politics, your history, your life, your personality.

Sometimes the best way to 'lie' is to just not say a godamn thing and say your prefer to avoid the topic

I don't think this is even true. Lots of women have short/ugly men as friends, under the assumption that these men see the relationship on the same terms that they do.

The problem is that these men are often desperate and using that friendship as an underhanded way to get the girl to fuck them, someday, eventually. When they realize this will never happen they make it out like *they* were the ones who were somehow being deceived.

idk what the radfems say where you're from. give an example?

They really don't.

yes, women are well-known for their love for the unemployed, the friendless, the homeless, the poor, the mentally ill, and the short

I have always been a nerdy guy too, but I have also been heavily into arts and a graphic designer now (figured it's a good career that combines nerdiness + artsyness). Kind of a skinnyfat and average-looking. I look a little bit like Muke but less fit.

My experience with women has been very mixed. I've faced some awkward and painful rejections, and my first gf with whom I lost my virginity, literally dumped me because she said I'm too much of a "nice guy". Most of the time, girls ignore me.

Then again, some of the best friends I've ever had have been girls. Since I am not interested in traditionally masculine hobbies but this nerdy and artsy stuff, I sometimes find it easier to speak to girls than boys. I've also had at least 3-4 occasions where girls I've known in real life have admitted being romantically into me while I was not feeling same towards them, because I was chasing some other manic pixie dream girl who wasn't into me that much, ironically.

I've been to /r9k/ a lot about 5 years ago and done the "woe is me" route, but I've never really gotten into full-blown hatred of women. I really just can't. Because I know that if this world had no women, it would be a soul-crushing world to live in, since I've never seriously considered becoming a homosex and never will.

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This could easily be interpreted as women being as retarded as games reviewers when it comes to men:

And men are?


If there were two women for every man on dating platforms, men would have the luxury of grading women on a similar scale. The problem is that you are fighting tooth and nail over an artificially scarce resource. Go out into the real world and talk to actual women you jabroni.

You lot know that's his girlfriend, right? See what dating's like when you let the chips fall where they may organically instead of tryna force courtship through shallow dating apps or at clubs where people judge each other based off bra size and muscles? I met my last girlfriend at her nan's house when I was doing home wiring (I'm an electrician). Like I said, don't go looking for girls (or guys), let relationships grow organically.

you can't assume that what works for you will work for everyone. just stay silent on the matter if you have nothing helpful to say. it's insulting

Well if nothing works for you, then maybe it would be easier if everyone listed the methods?

How did you escalate that from wiring her nan's house?

"Take care of yourself, don't be a cunt, be genial" does work for everybody short of a 3rd degree burn victim though.

The problem is people who are lacking on one of these points, or fail the first time they try to improve themselves, who rationalize away these shortcomings by pinning them on some universal female boogeywomyn instead.

That's stupid, I should just get a girlfriend without having to do anything, like Chad does. Never leaving my room has nothing to do with my lack of relationships.

Men do the same. I mean, if a girl likes me and I don't like her back and she keeps insisting i'm gonna start evading her so she picks up the signals. You know that saying "do to others as you would have them do to you"? It's way better to know from the start that she is not interested than to keep you hooked.

I ain't Chad though.

How does this matter re: socialism? Unless you plan to become a really petty version of Stalin, your personal feelings are just that: personal.

Now you're getting. After years of self hating, women hating, trying and trying again, it was only when i stopped caring and i made peace with myself that a girlfriend pop up…lieterallyu out of nowhere, she was the one that started talking to me. That never happened to me before in my entire life.

Yeah how does it matter if you hate 50% percent of the human race based upon an immutable physical trait.

The problem here is that there's people who don't interact that much with females on their day to day life. If you are studying or working on a mostly male field then you are going to need to get out of your way to find a partner.
What you are saying is like the ideal, but on bars, tinder or whatever people use, you at least know that the other person is single and they are there to know someone, be it to fuck or getting on a relationship, but at least you know that they are interested and you don't need to deal with all the "does she like me or are we only friends?" bullshit.

I've never met an /r9k/ virgin who didn't turn out to be an unsympathetic asshole. If you act like an entitled faggot no one is gonna want you, man or woman

It literally doesn't. He's just some random cunt, who cares? Do you consider it your mission in life to make every single person have "right" opinions, or ones you agree with? It's fucking irrelevant what random Joe Schmoe thinks.

join a choir, go hiking, do charity work or something

you do realise there are hobbies not exclusive to men

Forget, bars, Tinder and all that bullshit…you will never find a propper gf there. Only generic fucktards obsessed with sex. Regardless of gender…that place is filled with mansluts as well.

Go search somewhere else. I met my current girlfriend while walking in the wilderness.

It's an extremely reactionary opinion to hold. How is he supposed to maintain solidarity with comrades he supposedly hates? Based upon their genitals no less.

I've talk to some who weren't or didn't seem to be. It's odd that we explain poverty as a result of capitalism but view loneliness as due mainly or entirely to personal faults.

Yeah, but eventually you gotta wonder if being alone is not preferable. If I were a girl, I'd rather be forever alone than hook up with some /r9k/ incel tbh.

I don't know, most people of my age just go to clubs on fridays, and I find them pointless. Maybe I'll start hiking since I don't really have outdoor hobbies.
You find these groups through the internet, right?

I've gone to drawing classes 3 of the last 4 years, I didn't form a connection nor keep contact with anyone.

23 and I've never had a girlfriend, a female friend, or even spoken to a girl for more than 4 minutes or so. But I don't really care as I tend not to enjoy social contact with other people much.

Imagine having dozens of individuals far stronger than you at your rallying cry every time you perceive the slightest injustice. Imagine having the complete backing of the state in matters of divorce and child custody. Imagine being part of a system where hypergamy is the very essence of your existence, everything you do is simply to get ahead, you are a 5/10 mongrel and demand your partner be 9/10 and 6'4. imagine living the most muh privileged existence that any human being on this planet has had in recorded history. Imagine you have the nerve to call other people "privileged". Imagine being a western woman.

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Fuck off Elliot

I'm not saying it is, loneliness is a social issue (and one that is unlikely to ever be completely resolved ever), but that doesn't mean the person is completely unaccountable. We're talking about personal relationships, and I'm sorry but you're not entitled to people liking you , and if you're an unlikeable asshole then no one is ever gonna want to be with you and I feel really sorry for anyone who is with you. It's very telling that /r9k/'s solution to this problem is state mandated gf's or arranged marriages or other bullshit like that. In other words, making the woman's opinion of you irrelevant by removing their agency

t. virgin

nod an agument

Again, what does it matter? This isn't fucking children's television; the bourgeoisie won't be overthrown through the power of friendship. As long as he knows to point the guns at the capitalists once shit starts going south, his opinions are mostly irrelevant.

As someone who has actually talked to a woman, their first question is usually "is he nice?"

That's like saying "you're not entitled to a living" when bringing up poverty. You're not even trying.

That only works if you're already socially capable and know how to form connections with people you've never met. Otherwise it's just awkward and nothing will last.

It matters because that's what we're discussing in this thread. You could apply that reasoning to any argument on any topic here short of "Should we point guns at capitalists?" but then there'd be nothing left to say.

that generally means: (how much capital can I extract from him without providing sex?)

Except poverty doesn't have to do with personal relationships but rather material relationships. If you can't tell the difference between those two things you're a fucking moron

the point of interacting with people is interacting with people, not getting a girlfriend

meant for

And I answered the OP with a response relevant to it, namely that his personal problems have no bearing on whether or not he can be a socialist or not. And yes, as long as someone supports the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism and its replacement by a system which abolished commodity production and wage labor and such, then all questions like this are of tertiary importance at best.

Stop misusing terms, faggot. Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe your opinion of women is what's preventing you from getting a girlfriend?

Accountability would be framing it as a moral issue, and I'm not sure if you want to contend that everyone who's been in a relationship is a good person. I wouldn't even say relationships have much to do with being a good person, although you're reasoning as if that's true for some bizarre reason.

No one said this, but you're again treating relationships as if "being a good person." is always and ever the solution. "They suffer because they must be bad" is the same just world fallacy many people use to make just the injustices of capitalism.


Personal relationships have nothing to do with material reality? What?

Since you answered him and there's nothing else to say, feel free to close this tab retard.

You may not be Holla Forums but goddamnit it you're trying.

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go back to reddit

Go back to Holla Forums

I don't even know where people who think "girls won't fuck me because I don't drive a Maserati" congregate, but go back there.

Look up FM-2030, you can start with this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030
"[It is time to take charge of our own evolution]"

bump

Should i just do hookers Holla Forums? I mean I even have female friends I have no problems with women as people but they just don't find me attractive. I'm a normal person I dress well and all, but I'm pretty sure only 2 women liked me ever, with one it was me who fucked up and with the other it was a friends fault. Regardless of this I never understood this shit. I even was a somewhat popular guy with girls at a time but they just didn't want me. Now I don't even know new people and I want to have at least something but tinder or whatever seems just wasted time.

I'm not framing it as a moral issue, famalam. What I'm simply saying is that if you're an unlikeable asshole you're less likely to have a girlfriend than someone who is likeable, all other things being equal. But no matter what you're not guaranteed to get a girlfriend, since romantic relationships are predicated on two people meeting who are both in some way compatible (assuming that both are free to choose their relationships).
Material relationships =/= material reality. Read Marx, faggot. You're poor because you don't have shit, and you don't have shit because work all day to make someone else rich just to put food on the table. That's a material relationship. Very clear-cut. Personal relationships are not.

1.) How old are you?
2.) No, you shouldn't.

21. Why not? At least I would get the sex. I'm serious what's wrong with it

Just stop worrying about it, famalam. It'll come or it won't, acting desperate is just gonna turn people off. Hookers are overrated. If you want to masturbate into someone, get a sex doll

Supporting human trafficking for one.

Where did you read this? I don't even try a lot with girls. I mean what's the point of try and jump on every single attractive girl? In fact I have a clear mind about this, there was a time when the loneliness really got me but now I somewhat gave up in striving too mich. And not because "if you try too much you put them off" but because it's unhealty for me and others. Of course these are all good words that don't change the fact that I don't have even a possibility of a relationship at the moment. But worrying just worsen the pain.

You are, but you're indirectly phrasing it as likability vs. being an "asshole" (which would imply a bad person, unless you're going to say a person can be viewed as entirely good and an asshole at the same time).

Then you're condemning loners based on an "all else being equal" scenario with almost no relation to any social reality. It isn't really applicable (or even testable) outside of twins with the same personality pursuing the same people who all have the same idea of what constitutes likability.

And you're saying this has no relation to the personal relations a person may experience, and those personal relations don't themselves influence material relations? Also, centering your argument about the separation between the two using only a single material economic relation seems specious since the whole of material relations and their developments are what comprise material reality for us. You were talking originally about "material relationships" rather than only one specifically.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

There is really nothing wrong with prostitutes. Don't let others manipulate you into believing there is.

Except I'm not implying that, you're putting words in my mouth. There are certain behaviours that many people dislike or that are downright destructive to relationships (abusiveness, violence, etc.). If you have many of them then you're an unlikeable person. It's that simple.
Except I'm not. I've said from the beginning that loneliness is a social issue, but loneliness is ultimately based on personal relationships, which means that even if we resolve all the social and material causes of loneliness, it still comes down to the individual person, and they may still end up lonely either due to their own flaws or through no fault of their own.

I actually hate Holla Forums and their mode of thinking yet I still can't get over my disdain for women - I literally see them as aliens that speak a separate language.

I legitimately think women are the biggest hurdle to communism because they inherently propagate hierarchy.

There is a difference between buying food or a videogame and directly supporting sex slavery.

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"No"

It seems like men by and large are conditioned to be reliant on access to women. Women want men, but men need women. It's hard to break free of that sort of conditioning when it's reinforced by everything that you see. Like if people find out that you're a virgin past a certain age, they look at you like you're a fucking alien. All your friends start marrying and having kids. And the women in your tiny dating pool have already fucked so much that they're already jaded about it all by the time they give you the time of day, or they already have kids

Says the guy who wants ethical capitalism

Female's choice in men will prop up hierarchy wherever they're free to decide their mate. "Enemy at the gates" succinctly espoused as such when they dude who got sniped said he aint got no pussi.

frauds and phonies

I've only started hating women recently, I'm not quite sure why it's just now. Before I was perfectly fine with women and thought the rampant sexism on chan boards was dumb. But now I feel like I've just noticed women are actually retarded.

Are women retarded, Holla Forums?

This is why we need more women in computer science

youtube.com/watch?v=93tR96egox4

"There's always something to envy, I envy that pussi"

Communism fails.

Pro tip: never, ever, listen to feminists or anyone who's trying to feminize you. Don't let people sabotage your life out of their narcissistic feel-good political pursuits.

Only girls that are smart are jewish girls it seems. It's a real shame.

No, I know a Jewish girl and she's pretty dumb.

no wonder you are still a virgin

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So is it possible to be viewed as both an asshole and entirely good at the same time and by the same person? My whole point was that you're indirectly talking about the moral worthiness of a person. It's not that personal behavior has nothing to do with our relationships or lack thereof, but that the set of behaviors that aren't conducive to relationships only occasionally intersect with whether we consider someone personally likable or not.

Abusiveness occurs within relationships of some sort; it's a behavior that requires a social context. Violence also requires a social context, someone to act violent to. Both abusers and violent people are currently and have been in relationships and necessarily so, as these behaviors are defined by their occurring between two or more people. Those behaviors you listed don't actually pose obstacles as serious as you seem to think.

Additionally, we were talking about loners, originally "/r9k/ virgins" who wouldn't be acting in either way for lack of any social context.

"Ultimately," these aren't separable from an individual's relationships to material reality.

Flaws come to be seen as such as a result of the individual's development within the specific society and time (i.e. how their individual traits are made to behave within it) and that society's perceptions of their traits. They also aren't completely separable from that social and historical context and the ethical views promulgated within it. It doesn't make much sense to speak of flaws as if they belong to the individual alone.

NazBols are objectively the smartest people there is.

You're the one who engaged me.

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Someone who controls aggressive tendencies is high in agreeableness. Someone who is bold is high in disagreeableness. You see, someone who is aware and constantly controls aggressiveness, will not in fact be bold almost by definition if you understand how psychology works.

Heres where bold feminists who control their aggressivity can exist:
Heres where this type of people cannot exist:

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Is this why the Posadist space aliens haven't saved us from capitalism yet?

Is that what they think of us?

You can hate women but not want to take away their rights (if your country has them).

And why not?

i browse/post on wizchan a lot and not even there everyone hates women, there's even terminology for a wizard that does not hate women or just the average manaless human: a mage

why do i say this?

IF WIZZIES CAN GET PAST BASIC MYSSOGINY YOU CAN.

I used to browse wizchan years ago and I never saw this is that a new thing? Never been too mich a fan of the place so I might have missed out

i cant talk for everyone and shouldnt be even talking about the site in the first place but if it helps someone im ok with it.

there is of course people who will get the succubi thing into everything but can you really blame them?
its a site for them and them only after all, and not even in that situation everyone is a hateful shit.

remember that women are comrades as everyone esle is.

if we even wizzies can aknowledge this fact, the average user can.

so guys you better harden the fuck up or die discussing "muh womyn" r9kpol style

also someone should make a screencap info shit for future ppl with the same questions n crap

we cant let this issue get outta hand

I'm a misanthrope. I hate men and women equally. You shouldn't discriminate in your contempt for human beings.

Just go to the gypsy market and buy one

If you're isolated and beaten down from not feeling desired or loveable…


seeing prostitutes DOES help with the right frame of mind
find ones that aren't trafficked, be intimate with them (to the degree that they are willing to, every tute is different), talk with them

If you don't gain confidence around women and appreciate women more after seeing prostitutes then you are just caught up in a some weird background narratives.

With prostitutes or non-prostitutes, here's the thing, in capitalist America, and without having muscles or great status

PUSSY COSTS MONEY, either the actual thing or abstract representations of it

We can whine all we want about the fact that pussy costs money, or maybe even campaign against it which is fine, you need to keep in mind that you need to try your best to save. money. if. you. want. to. have. sex.

I don't hate women. I just want them to stop bothering me.

Jewish girls are the best tbh.

gee i wonder who is behind this post

prostitution was, is and will ever be an intrinsic part of capitalism. even if women think they are doing it from their own volition, they are just doing it because its the only way to get some income

literally selling your body for people who dont mind spending sum bucks into sex, people that clearly arent in the realm of poverty

lots of girls prostitute to get sum money for higher education or just end in the cycle of drugs-money.-prostitution-drugs, and the vast majority are the poor. daddy's girl is gonna buy herself sum cocaine with daddys money, not that girl from the slums

also its has beeen noted that historically the ruling class has promoted drugs into the working class as a method of neutralizing the revolutionary action

and of course dont forget hat a lot of the prostitutes are from human trafficking circles, probably one of the most outrageous capitalist stains.

if you dont want to live in a world where women and men are part of society or just dont live in society you can do it if you put yourself on it.
if you actually want to live in society, man up


small chuckle here

How can you think like this honestly? In socdem Scandinavian countries where women interviewed are fine financially, many choose to go into prostitution because they are horny but would rather get paid than do it for free.

I know so many people that are dirt poor including homeless people that spend loads of money of street girls, so dunno where you are getting this from, most prostitutes aren't elite escorts

It's also worth noting that historically some women became so rich off prostitution that they were basically part of the aristocracy


Which I already mentioned, and it's easy to avoid them

Look prostitution has predated capitalism, it's an extremely old practice. In my utopia would there be prostitutes? No. In my utopia people would just have sex because it feels good, there'd be no STDs, there'd be east birth control with no side effects. People wouldn't factor in social status or economic security or property ownership or whatever other thing that doesn't really matter with birth control into their sexual decisions. If for some reason economic security is necessary for female sexual attraction, the just offload the daddy role of the boyfriend to the state and make the state daddy like in extremely socdem countries.

try 28.

You are consfusing his statement of
for

he was giving life advice and wasn't saying the latter which is kinda an ancap position

...

Turning 23 in a week and same situation.

It used to be a lot worse some years ago, i did a lot of work on myself to convince that my worth isn't measured by my ability to attract females.

Sometimes i feel for the nazi /r9k/ types because i know being this age and inexperienced is simply socially unacceptable and very frowned upon. At the same time I hate when leftists imply that not fucking makes you a nazi, it's frankly very inconsiderate and turns away a lot of people especially in the chan circles.

Should have been a reply to this guy

it's your moms fault really. understand how and why she made that impression on you, forgive her and move on.

It's just a way for them to avoid talking about sexually or romantically unsuccessful people. A topic that makes most people cringe, but keep not talking about it and we could end up like Japan.

Obviously incel or romantically unsuccessful people transcend the political spectrum and genders, it's just that the right-wing has historically done better recruiting lumpenproles. Also, centrist/leftist contempt for lumpenproles is nothing new at all lol

However because leftism is about non-hierarchy, it obviously theoretically can do a better job destroying sexual hierarchies than the right wing, who just tells incels they are temporarily embarassed chads instead of telling them that people can be socialized to mate more equally just as they were socialized to mate how they are now.

I think posters like this are a huge part of the alienation problem. Those who don't have social anxiety, are just naturally really awkward, or for some reason give off a "creep" vibe even if they try not to, can't just go out and "interact" with people. It's like telling someone whose afraid of dogs to go hang out at a dog park for a few hours.

I think part of is also that people don't want to change themselves past a certain point. Especially since (at least in the US) there's a huge emphasis on "be yourself". If "being myself" involves acting in ways I don't feel comfortable with and taking up hobbies I don't like but even still might face rejection due to some inherent flaw then its not worth it. But that doesn't mean the pain isn't there. There is a very distinct lack of sympathy to autists/beta-males the general population has and that fuels the hateful incel movement. They feel like they're already down and society takes pleasure in kicking them in the balls and then telling them its their fault.

It's just a way for them to avoid talking about sexually or romantically unsuccessful people. A topic that makes most people cringe, but keep not talking about it and we could end up like Japan.

Obviously incel or romantically unsuccessful people transcend the political spectrum and genders, it's just that the right-wing has historically done better recruiting lumpenproles. Also, centrist/leftist contempt for lumpenproles is nothing new at all lol

However because leftism is about non-hierarchy, it obviously theoretically can do a better job destroying sexual hierarchies than the right wing, who just tells incels they are temporarily embarassed chads instead of telling them that people can be socialized to mate more equally just as they were socialized to mate how they are now.

It's worth mentioning that there are tons of people that are sympathetic toward incels because well in the US 20% of the country is celibate in any given year. Millions of people of both genders are going through this or have gone through it. Some are angry about it others or not, but I don't think it's particularly healthy too get to complacent about it (or to get violent about it)


Most of all it's just a taboo to help someone or *even to acknowledge* someone being romantically or sexually unsuccessful. It taps into people's own insecurities and anxieties.

People are still very insecure about sex itself in the USA and can hardly talk about that, so for that reason try to frame it in terms of relationships, which people do feel comfortable talking about.

Once you ask for help for forming relationship (not just for sex, but for intimacy) you *might* get someone to help offer you to be a matchmaker or wingman. This is an important thing. Most incels should look for connections above all.

It's just like a job search. If you are considered entry level by a market-that-you-wish-wasn't-a-market-but-it, just sending blind applications isn't fruitful. Connections can get you a quality job much faster, same with relationships.

Be yourself, but be whoever you want.
It's not that hard to understand. I've never met an autist worth sympathizing with, maybe they should stop being so unbearable if they want to make friends.

Best friend is a schizo male. Not a woman hater bone in his body. He's 27, left-socialist, virgin, extremely intelligent (actually the most intelligent persosn in my former school) etc… but has some mental issues and has a feminine personality and makes minimum wage, so no women are giving him any attention.

He's frustrated about it, but doesn't visit the incel forums that were started by women but taken over by reactionaries.

Lots of men out there like that. More than trans people even.

that is such a thin slice of the pie it means nothing. for each horny scandinavian wife there are hundreds of girls in human trafficking circles from east europe, africa or south murica

consuming prostitution reinforces this market therefore prostitution is nothing more than a capitalist arm crushing down young women and fueling an industry that should not exist

women-driven brothels, prostitutes backed by healthcare, all of this being taxed and controlled by an administration?
yes. maybe. we can argue abolition or not but thats another topic

ok, maybe i jumped into conclusions


you sound like an unbearable cunt

Am I supposed to care about any of that? Oh no, someone can't get laid. Big deal. It's not that special. His life is probably good in many ways he doesn't recognize because of his fixation on his virginity.

You know I always felt strange about this. I have actually a healty amount of friends and they all know I have no luck with women, but I swear not even once they helped me in any way. Multiple times I asked them to help me with some particular girls they knew but I can think of only one friend who helped me. It is strange to me because they are really nice people

considering you aren't going to convince any men to stop seeing prostitutes, it'd be best just to give advice on how to avoid the trafficked ones and find the non-pimped indies instead of trying to shame people for being lumpenproles

I know you commies hate it, but sexuality is the most "human nature" based thing that exists.

Incels like me just have to understand low status male were never respected, and never gonna be. If we don't like it, we just have to go to the gym ad take mdma, that's life.

The thing that most leftists seem to miss is that capitalist alienation CREATES incels, this bizzare idea that you can simply bully incel-nazis into submission and everything will be fine is absurd because eventually you're gonna get outnumbered because the system keeps creating more and more of these people. What would work in my opinion is a cultural shit that makes virginity, loneliness, social anxiety no longer taboo topics in the public discourse and then we can start working with these alienated people towards a common goal.

For them to help you they have to know a girl who is single and fits your personality, which might be hard for them to do if you've constructed your personality based off of the outsider status you got from people ignoring you

or maybe your friends are nice but not particularly generous

It takes a lot of sympathy and kindness to act as someone's wingman or matchmaker, but people like that are out there.

There also are women out there who like the idea of "corrupting someone new to the dating game". It's an EXTREMELY small niche of women, extremely small, but god bless those women, and they do exist, and you can find 1 or 2 of them by being real honest about being new to relationships on your dating profiles. It's not like men, who will shell out millions just to deflower a virgin (literally someone just paid millions to take a girls virginity, gender double standards are ridiculously huge)

oh shiet im shaming people for deliberately choosing to pay for sex, a VITAL ACTIVITY like having housing food and such

>>>/r9k/
spooked loser

By that I mean liking the idea of being a guy's first, and searching for men that are new even if they are older and insecure

not if it's self-prostitution. prostitutes can own their labor you know?

Sex isn't as vital as food. But considering millions of men and women, even one woman on national television) kill themselves for lack of intimacy/unrequited love or whatever, it is a big deal.

Intimacy and sex makes the world go 'round, wars have been fought over it etc. If you are asexual and don't understand that's fine, but it's a thing

no wonder why you're still a virgin

Well, fam, I don't know what to tell you. How the fuck do you expect to get a girlfriend if you're not willing to interact with people? I'm sorry, but you're pathetic.
And don't give me that "muh robot" bullshit, it's nothing but masturbatory whining. I used to be the biggest fucking autist. No friends. Absolutely miserable. The thing is that was entirely my own fault. I had massive anger issues (still kinda have) and instead of actually trying to improve myself I just wallowed in self-pity, and as a result I scared everyone away from me. But one day I decided to get my shit together and stop being such a massive asshole, and now I actually have friends and am much happier (still a massive autist tho).
It's not your fault if life gives you a kick in the balls, but it sure as hell is your fault if you don't do anything about it.

yea, and apolitical-incels, and left-incels too, and incel women too could be helped.

There's little reason to hate women for being incel given millions of women also are incel (people reading this pls don't point out to me that it's easier for a woman to get a date I know that but it still doesn't negate the fact that there are women who are incels)

youtube.com/watch?v=4r8uzznb7U0

and too many righties (and lefties) don't understand that past human evolution doesn't need to be future human evolution.

People are socially conditioned to live in various ways against and in accordance with past human evolution, it isn't hard for people to be socialized in either direction.

oh yeah. good thinking, i didn't consider the extent of retardation american culture exhibits. i assumed it's present everywhere roughly to the same extent, not really as a "true self" or part of it, but as a construct of what it means to be a person in "our" society and so on. not that this society distinguishes the two, obviously.

anyway my point is that to accept this narrative is the most basic capitulation and what we need instead is a transformation of "relationship" and the overdetermining relations. this is, of course, communization (and this is something you can probably actually do, or at least attempt). practically, i think of relationships as a chore, unless i can avoid this paradigm of socialization we are brought up into.

read this: libcom.org/library/eclipse-re-emergence-communist-movement

I think too many incels think in terms of what Elliot Rodger wasn't, and forget about the first incel shooter: George Sodini who was

…drumroll…

a bodybuilder!
a tall dude with a chiseled jaw!
and he shot up a gym lol!

Getting muscles, from studies I've read and anecdotal experience increases your chances of finding someone by about 2x. You can up your odds even more than that just by walking around with a pet. You can get a pet in a day, but it takes months to build muscles. (not saying getting a pet is the solution to inceldom like some liberals say, I'm just pointing out that bodybuilding isn't a solution)

The solution as far as I can tell is getting friends to help you find somone, making femalel friends, becoming more social, making more money etc… Bodybuilding can be part of that, but not at all the main thing.

I was talking about girls I knew that were single but they avoided introducing them to me for whatever reasons. I don't bother people by asking at random to give me girls.

Incels just ignore George Sodini, 'cuz it'd have to make them rethink what their "chad" archetype is.

I'd argue a chad would be like a Wall Street hot shot in his 20-30s, not just any muscly confident dude. Status and wealth is so goddamn important to chaddom and incels don't include that in their stereotypes..


reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5rha4u/isnt_george_sodini_the_embodiement_of_chad/

To say Sodini committed his crimes “because he hated women” is an oversimplification of his reasons. He was a social outcast. For men who are socially isolated it is very hard to find women who are interested in dating them. If he had friends and a social life, women would have been attracted to him.

When most people think of an isolated loner, they think of a bearded, unkempt, person who can’t take care of himself. In reality, the vast majority of loners don’t fit this characterization. Many are productive citizens who present themselves well.

Sodini did not fit the stereotypical loser profile because he had:

A job
Money (250k in assets)
His own house
His own car
Healthy eating habits
In good physical shape and worked out
No drug or alcohol addiction
Despite his financial situation and appearance being highly desirable, his life was absent of two things:

Friends
Romantic relationships

>>>Holla Forums

we live in a world where there is little room dedicated to mental health, that is the source of that problem, thus not an argument for this discussion.

im not asexual btw.


cause ppl and their families need to eat, of course they will end up selling their bodies if needed to feed their children (if not doing it for the next drug shot)
if you can access a job you dont need to sell your dignity
if you have a source of money you dont need to fear becoming homeless or ending up in a deeper state of exclusion

"Man up" and take orders from some vapid noisemaker? No thank you.

its just accepting reality
men and women are part of the society you live in

you want to become a hikki? go on, im not against it

you want to live in society? you gotta accept that women are part of that society you are living in

you dont want women bothering you? you can always choose a way of life that allows you zero to none interaction with women. but dont bitch about it, its dumb.

What an insipid point of view. "Mental health" isn't disconnected from society but rather the result of an interaction between society and the individual, both in terms of how that individual's personality comes to express itself within that society and what society views as ethical and as normal (and, by proxy, what it views as wrong and deviant). Mental health isn't the source of any problem by itself but the reflection of what a society views as its problems.

Women don't want to have intimate relationships with complete social outcasts, at all, it disgusts them

for whatever reason

But we live in a system that actively produces vast quantities of social outcasts

*Make friends, be social, be more successful with women*

loneliness and 'skin hunger' are huge contributors to public health decline. look it up. It's not a matter of 'get over it or isolate yourself', that isn't healthy.

Bizaro post, male friendship is the only true forn, men can enter a zone of relationship where they drop the usual traits and have a deep bond, a very pure one.

I feel the same way, although for me it is more of a broad-spectrum disdain for humans. 95% of women are utterly stupid and make the world a worse place with their every action, but the same is true of at least 90% of men.

The important thing to realize is that blame is a completely useless concept. Free will doesn't exist, individuals can't be held responsible for their actions, and gender is nothing more than a linguistic shortcut. Everyone starts off as a cute , innocent baby without any malicious intent, then the world systematically breaks them until the spark is gone and all that is left is bitterness and hate. We're all in a fucking meat-grinder together and the only sensible course of action is suicide.


Interesting. I hadn't heard it called that before, and I didn't realize quite how necessary it was.

I suppose that's the ultimate irony of it all. We are a social species who depend on each other for everything, but at the same time we are extremely hostile to one another and struggle to peacefully coexist. If you happen to have some trait which sets you apart from the group or makes you a preferred target, suicide is the best you can hope for.

I don't blame women for me being unattractive. It doesn't make sense - the problem is me. And it works both ways; you probably treat ugly women the same way pretty women treat you.

Completely wrong and irrelevant.

correct
Regardless of responsibility, if someone doesn't have the ability to improve him/herself, it's up to society to deal with it

I lost my virginity to a highschool girl when I was 10. After that I had a really skewed definition of what a relationship was and I would always be really arrogant and sexual around women. And when you do this in Middle school/High school then you don't really get girls. so after that I had no friends and everyone thought I was a creepy pervert , Haven't interacted with anyone on a level higher than "hi, how are you" for maybe 9 years? I'm 24.,

dont tangle me up in your fallacy

"getting over it" also englobes finding a healthy way of aknowledging and liberating your sexual urges

also is this freud posting or wat jesus christ


come home wizzy

If someone is a problem, that problem just needs to be solved. Punishment is about as good at solving human problems as it is at solving computer problems.
Also, in my opinion, painless execution is far more ethical than any punishment.


It isn't just sexual. It's even more basic than that. We are social animals and we get stressed when isolated. Short of genetically modifying people at conception, there's no way to avoid it.

Then again, yours is the kind of retarded post I'd expect from the sort of person who types ">muh human nature" and thinks it's an argument.

What if the mode of production was totally changed and capitalism abolished even according to the most nitpicky of LeftComs, but this was accompanied by a super reactionary stance on social issues? Would that not be socialism?

when have i denied any of this, user?
i said that becoming a hikki was an option but never implied it was a healthy one

go to reddit and play with your strawmans

concern for public health and the suffering of humanity is not in any way a 'fallacy'.

"getting over it" also englobes finding a healthy way of aknowledging and liberating your sexual urges

That is NOT what you were saying you sniveling piece of shit, don't back out now by literally copying my stance.

Way too screw over all the people too unattractive or autistic to get a girl to have sex with them. At least they can buy the experience in the current society.

So what did you mean by "finding a healthy way of acknowledging and liberating your sexual urges"?

Wow she must have a very hard life. She looks so oppressed. Give her a raise before I cut myself.

But if you are this socially inept, where would you even find the people with the relevant connections who like you sufficiently to be willing to help you out?

The real problem is that there will always be someone with sufficiently severe physical and/or psychological problems that they are functionally unlovable. If we can find a solution for those people (and we must), we will have found a solution for everyone.

You could go your entire life without having sex and be perfectly fine. This is totally inane.

That's not a real thing, it doesn't even have a wikipedia page.

You can go your entire life as a slave working for an employer who spits on you every day and be perfectly fine too. In fact, you can spend your entire life in a 6'x2'x2' box being fed by tubes and be perfectly fine. Keeping humans alive is surprisingly easy.


I haven't heard that name for it before, but the idea that humans are social animals who need physical contact for emotional wellbeing is very well established scientific fact. The idea that emotional stress leads to physical ill health is also very well established. Read a fucking book.

Who the fuck cares?
Go sperg your emotional bullshit on Holla Forums

1. if sexual intercourse deprivation is really affecting you (you being the hypotetical person), you should go to a psychologist and see why in the first place are you sexually frustrated, the frustration might not come from where you would think

2. if you simply want to have sexual intercourse but dont want to bother with the intricate social relations of modern society you should remember that sex is an act between two consenting adults, and for some people that level of intimacy comes from a relationship, for others not.
If you only want to have sex, just to places where you might encounter people with the similar objective.
Maybe you dont want even to contact other people, maybe you just want to jerk off, thats ok too. Its healthy.

3. You can vent this stress into other activties

Remember that sexual drive is vastly different from person to person.
Also remember that there is joy to find in mostly everything, not only sexual intercourse.


yep, you can if you want.

btw im supposing that
and is you, the same user and you had not seen my response b4 posting

Fake news. Try to stop representing your own perverse desires as objective theories.

If you were referring to me, nope.

you clearly didnt understand what i was trying to say or maybe i phrased it badly

i was talking about how little we invest as a society on mental health from the stigma of psychology and psychologysts and of course the huge impact capitalism has on it.

again, i might be wording this very weird, english is not my first or second language

Go back to facebook, for real dude you can larp as a hero of humanity with your friends as much as you want there

fixed that for you

But people discuss stupid bullshit here constantly because no one has actually read any theory. It'd be rather dead place if that was actually all removed.

We the betas who realize the need for abolishing the male sexual hierarchy will give a wedgie to chads or "temporarily embarrassed chads"

Wait, you literally just copied that from here
adultsocialskills.com/georgesodini.htm

yea forgot the link

It's a pretty helpful place for discussing leftist theory, the problem is that it's an imageboard; as such, some users feel the need to conform to the "imageboard nerd" sterotype and so they come here sperging their delusions and personal feelings in which we have no interest in.
I dont want to sound like an edgy cunt, but in this moment all we need is a stronger moderation: threads like these contribute to nothing.

not you, the other two "you"

welp

there is actual leftist debate in this topic if you bohered to read the thread

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS THREAD

JUST GO TO /R9K/ STOP POSTING GOVERNMENT MANDATED GIRLFRIENDS FOR AT LEAST ONE HOUR

And? There is no rules against this type of thread, fuck off faggot go play imageboard police on cuckchan

yea sure

There really should be.

This is why i can't take this board seriously anymore

I have not once - not once! - seen a serious argument for "abolishing" sexual hierarchy that did not also involved severely limiting the freedom of women.
Except for the idea of sex bureaucrats, which I myself pioneered.

Almost none of the proposals on leftypol involve "limiting the agency of women". That's a paranoid feminist worry about any of these discussions.

Most people advocate for socializing people to interact more through community programs and shifting the role of "daddy-boyfriend-providing-material-goods" to the state.

It's no more removing agency from men or women than however we were socialized today to mate removed agency.

Do you really believe that. You're talking about the politics of women's lives and how they should change in an ideal society, and you don't think that might result in a monkey's claw wish

The amount of MGTOW high identitarians in leftypol has really become infuriating.

No
I said what I actually said.

What the hell does that mean?

Yes, you did. You're defending the existence of these two hundred plus reply threads.

They need to be removed.

Cool, then if you get your wish, all the left incels will just make their own reddit community and then get larger and then come here again

purging left ideas doesn't make them weakers
inb4 they aren't non-hierarchical (ie left) ideas

This board really needs to have stricter enforcement of what is and is not politics.

Threads like these swamp the fucking board with identity and give positive reinforcement for it to become more /r9k/ than discussing practical matters, socialism, and recent events.

These threads often lead nowhere and they should be locked.

ok GL with that argument, I'm out

You say this shit just because you get ass mad at r9k posts I bet you love your meme threads you pathetic piece of shit.
Nobody believes you

Good. I'm glad you're gone.

In a board that is not /r9k/, yes.

Maybe get new friends?

If you're too socially unskilled to get a girl, I doubt you'll have an easy time pulling a whole new circle of friends out of your ass.

...

And that's what separates you 4chan incels from us leftypol incels, you all think you are alpha males in waiting, but leftypol actually wants to address the root problems

I'm an incel too, but and even though I try to improve myself, self-crit, keep myself from hating women etc…

I also care about leveling the playing field

Something I think you right wing incels actually don't want to do, you are only in it for yourselves and maybe some buddies

Literally no one cares.

Supply and demand.

Dunno man one of them is kind of my life bro and they are overall nice people, also I never really understood how to maje new friend it just happened

Delete this shitty thread. Go back to Holla Forums to cry about your dick.

Amen

You know what this implies right? Fuck all disabled people, everyone with autism and the mentally ill. If you can't pull yourself up from your boot straps and socialize normally then you don't deserve the very things people live for.

I mean honestly, people either do or don't have entitlements. If they don't lets start the eugenics programme already.

It comes down to the difference between passive obligations (don't do ) and active obligations (do ).

Ancaps and feminists both believe in passive obligations, "Don't steal." "Don't touch women.", but not in active obligations, "Nobody is obligated to give to the poor." "Nobody is entitled to being liked.".

Personally I believe in both. Refusing to give spare food to a starving man is just as bad as stealing food from a starving man. Refusing to give someone a hug when they need it is just as bad as stopping someone else from giving them a hug.

bump

All women should be killed. Traps are the future.

Women were not barred from leadership roles during the revolution, but that did not stop them.

Imagine being THIS much of a deluded incel