Leftist college clubs

Start your own, make it sound cool, don't include traditional words in the title, just find all the non self-identified SJWs and go to town

They are more likely to derail w/ identity politics, if you're trying to create a non-socdem group aka violent revolution, yea don't

What do you mean non traditional words like don't say Marxist or socialist. Should I call it the coastal Georgia bunker association.

Should I include socdems but make it clear this group is meant to discuss economics and non idpol related issues.

I dont think you will be a commie anymore once you get a degree and actually have self worth. TBH

But if you do then how the fuck do you manage a software project without clear leaders and hierarchy? Everything open source and decentralized online? Wouldnt capitalism be better for that?

And the universe is inherently capitalistic because computer systems can be password protected and that suggests ownership.

Do your homework kid.

Why dont you do it for me cause ur a commie and we must distribute our efforts on my outcome evenly? Ive already been working on my homework too long I think you should do the rest for me!

:^)

I'll quit STALLING one my homework if you watch this Stalin documentary:
youtube.com/watch?v=NvUIkwREIfw

The best way to argue with your political opponents is to not even understand the basics of their position

Get back to your c++

I dont think you will be an ancap anymore once you get a job and get BTFO by reality. TBH

What if i told you I've worked plenty in my day and that's specifically why I am capitalist. The last thing I would want to get trapped into is another 9-5 job job. Communism makes it impossible to escape that. Do you really think the central bureau of labor is going to let you work from home or have flexible hours?

I wouldn't believe you since you're telling me about your homework and seem pretty poorly read and have poor business ideas.

Certainly what you are doing right now.

This is a man who made it from his own grit and intellect, everyone.

Nice, making assumptions and thinking your better than someone because of some shitty book. I'll read his gay ass book one day but I already get the basic idea and i dont think reading his ramblings is going to really enrich my understanding of communism that much. It literally boils down to gibmedats.

And youre a fucking retard for not trying to start your own marxist companies. People laugh and mock all the people that whine about capitalism and smash starbucks. It does nothing to help your cause except recruit weak minded slack jawed retards. If you actually want to show people how good communism is then youre going to have to create your own example because the examples that history has provided us with make communism look pretty shit tbh.

inb4 thats not real communism mannnnn.. exactly so that's why you need to SHOW people what "real" communism looks like and if it's successful maybe there will be more marxist style companies in the future and people can work there instead of whining and smashing starbucks.

What is there more to get about socialism then? If you cant tell me…

You might find this useful
crimethinc.com/2017/08/16/uncontrollables-the-story-of-an-anarchist-student-group-and-how-to-organize-your-own

So far every refutation of leftist thought you've attempted has just revealed that you're very poorly read on the topic. I could sit here and have a heartfelt conversation addressing your every concern but I don't think you're even all that curious, I think you're just here to stir up shit.

On the off chance, read some very basic literature like Wage Labour and Capital and then come back.

My intention is to suggest making your own marxist company and getting the resources to do so from kickstarter. Literally no reason why marxists and capitalists cant both get what they want.

It used to be somewhat true that it took other people's labor to get you rich but with technology that is becoming less relevant and it would be more productive to lead by example instead of constantly whining and destroying what other people have worked hard for.

OP here comrades please stop being elitist. Also stay on topic pls.

This is what I mean, you haven't got the slightest clue. This doesn't mean that you're an idiot but it does mean that you're grossly uninformed and any critique you make will be against a strawman marxism that doesn't exist. Read a book.

I've heard your guy's arguments against a marxist company before and it's literally just making excuses for being pathetic and being violent and destructive.

If you want to make a positive difference in the world then make a PSEUDO-marxist company. Complaining that the entire world wont change their economic systems just for you just makes you look bad and wont achieve anything. Same with being destructive, violent, and authoritarian. Does nothing but turn people off.

And it's pretty naive and grandiose to think that you should be able to command everyone to use the same awful system that youre so fond of. The beauty of the free market and freedom in general is that you can create your own communist microcosm if you please. BUT that takes creativity and hard work but the great thing about the internet is that you can secure your resources through crowdfunding without risking debt and people would probably be on board for supporting something like that.

One thing I'd do if I were starting the kind of club you described is make it clear that it's for socialist discussion, not debating capitalism vs. socialism. Otherwise I'd fear you'd get hordes of lolberts, conservatives and Hillarymen coming in to talk abut muh 800 billion and things like that. College kids love debating things. Maybe make a reading plan and say ok, we're going to read and discuss this text this week, this one next week, etc. You can still be welcoming to new members who don't consider themselves socialists, but make it clear that the club is not about making arguments for and against socialism. There should be debates, but they should be focused on historical and theoretical problems/questions that have arisen within the socialist movement. If you let it delve into capitalism vs. socialism, you'll have the same arguments every week and the club won't go anywhere.

I know the college republicans were on campus and they are doing political activism and have like movie nights and shit. I was hoping this club could be more than a reading list.

also what do you guys think I should call it.

Profit motive
Capitalist Value form

Completely incompatible with communism. Freedom can only be achieved without the tyranny of capital. The real issue for petit-bourgeoisie is not government it is competing with even larger capital.

The Union of Egoists

Yeah I feel you. Maybe if you know of any professors interested you could ask them to do some "socialism 101" type info sessions or something. Wish I could offer some better advice but I never started a club when I was in college since I didn't really get seriously interested in socialism until late senior year. Good luck comr8

jesus christ what the fuck is happening here

Freedom isn't free.

Death toll of anarchism:
10000000000000000000000000000000000 dead ancaps

The tree of leftypol gotta be litterd with uneducated posts

Since you AnCap believe in "Freedom" so much you really do like to bootlick the system that will keep you poor, poison your water supply, destroy other humans for the sake of profits, conflating a police state to keep your voice silent via censorship.

But that is what you want don't you also since you like pictures I have my own attached to here and tell me which one sounds worse.

No one is free before everyone is free. This requires the abolition of capitalism.

you are completely ignorant on the subject and you have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever

Ok retard. Next you're going to say that a piece of bread and a little wine is the flesh and blood of Pinochet, right?

Hey buddy, I think you need to take a Chill Pill™.

I thinks you've got cum stuck under you caps key.

Also:

Freedom isn’t free! Freedom isn’t free!
You gotta pay a price…You’ve gotta sacrifice,
For your liberty.

Is it productive to engage with someone so dumb and proudly ignorant? We should probably have a "Marxism 101" pastebin or something to just refer these people to. If they want to know the basics they can get it there rather than clog up the board with this *sniff* pure ideology.

OP here back in the noose again I feel like I can explain things better than the guy youre arguing with. The reason a "marxist company" cant exist is because marxism implies democratic control involving a government. There is market socialism where businesses are cooperative enterprises however that is not marxist. also communes dont compete on the market coops do and coops have been successfel on the market some have even gotten pretty big and have higher employee satisfaction.
its basically an argument on the scale of saying ancaps dont believe in paved roads. The type of property marxists are against is called private property in todays society this mainly is used in reference to capitalist businesses the land they occupy, and tools within them. Marxists are in favor of personal property which includes things like computers, your furniture, food, house, etc.
If we stopped associating with the usa and withdrew from the economy we would be bombed.
most anthropologists would disagree with you. ancient egalitarian society known as primitive communism to marxists was hunter gatherer and had no concept of money. money didnt even develop until state societies began to form. even then we had feudal society. some people never even advanced past tribal life. So no capitalism is not mans basic nature. please go to another thread and turn your caps lock off.

those are both personal properties.

Are you really this dumb? Or is this b8?

I've only enjoyed leftist organizing post-undergrad. Organizing at my law school is okay, but student left groups are way disconnected from the working class. I was impressed with DSA having loads of Union organizers and regular people at their meetings post-undergrad

This seems prudent. Let me begin with referring to

You still don't understand the concept of private property, do you?

Sorry I wanted to be reasonable but ur going to gulag. reported

Nowhere to run until we get rid of capitalism, which is dependent on a state.

The privacy of your own home. Just kidding we're there too.

Your Derailing the thread!

Call it the big titty learnin' club.

By spamming the thread in all caps you are making it very difficult for others to sympathize with your position - regardless of how truthful your statements might be.

Perhaps one ought to read what one seeks to criticize. The thread I linked is filled with books for you to peruse. Even if you do not agree with any of them, it will help you formulate stronger arguments against the claims made within. No skin of your back.

If reading is not your thing: there are various audiobooks and lectures floating around. I don't have any on hand, but I am sure other posters can oblige me.

Honestly, I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.

Everyone pls just ignore him its not worth arguing.

I object to reducing a philosophy, which core body of work alone spawns multiple books and several thousand of pages, to a sliver of text. Understanding doesn't come cheap; you will have to work for it.

As for the other poster, they get a lot wrong - even on the semantic level - so I would advice against using their post as pointer for anything. Merely explaining what they get wrong takes several pages, which is time you better spend on reading theory for yourself.

marx literally disavowed this

Good going mods, just calmed the guy down. I'm sure this will convince them Leftists aren't all power abusing totalitarians.

It's not abuse when you're in the right.

I have seen this done before. What you want to do is simply talk a lot to a lot of different people, casually mention various leftist concepts in a neutral way. If they react with some level of competency and openness, keep them in mind as future potential members.

Do keep in mind people of other mindsets may join out of curiosity and you have a responsibility to tolerate that.

You should start with researching what is required, what forms are needed, and actively socializing with various people and casually bringing up leftist concepts here and there in an effort to get them to naturally reveal their true leftist colors, or at least reveal their lack thereof.

You might be able to look into joining some larger org to gain support? You'd have to got involved with the org though - go to conferences, sell papers etc, pay money…but you'd get resources (mainly literature and maybe a banner) and events for your club in exchange. You'd also be able to get members from the organization to come down and give talks. It does mean having to toe a party line somewhat as well though.

If you just want it to be a chilled thing, which may make more sense especially just for starting out, call it something like 'Marxist society' or 'Marxist club' idfk, it can be that simple, then just tell all your friends and put up posters around the campus. Get in touch with other political clubs, too.

wait, wtf happened in this thread?

Please don't even ask at this point.

As far as posters go should I keep it plain. Or have like red hammers and sickles. Or Dare I say it use memes. I think I'm going to call it the socialist theory club or something. Maybe the armchair appreciation club.

Don't got for the armchair appreciation club, that's an inside joke for those who are already leftists.

Hammer and sickles are a little done, but there's nothing too bad with them - maybe a small one somewhere to be clear. Memes may sound cringe, but this is a campus, not an image board, so you're not dealing with the same elitist, hypersensitive assholes you might be online. I mean, on my campus at least some of the nerds unironically wear undertale t shirts and no one bats an eye, if you get my point. So yea, maybe some kind of stupid but I must emphasize not obnoxious meme may help catch some eyes and set a more chilled tone, rather than 'this is the place for super serious discussion of Marx with no fun allowed' that you get with a lot of other leftist groups.

What do you mean by obnoxious, like stirner. Any suggestions. would Stalin memes work maybe Lenin wearing shades, Alunya?

Not Stirner no matter what you're doing, no one's gonna get it. Same goes for Alunya doubly.

If you're an ML then yea get some Stalin and Lenin on there. Otherwise, the normie-friendly option is Marx and Engels.

normie friendly revolutionaries include Luxemburg, Lukacs, Che (but he's over done ofc), Sankara, Trotsky if you're a Trot and although he's not a revolutionary, Zizek is very normie friendly.

The main problem is not many people are gonna know any of these guys.

What about bordiga or cockshott should I buy a flag.

They're both normie friendly but even less known than everyone I mentioned, bar Lukacs I guess.

You might wanna save up for a flag, or perhaps a banner to use on tables, but keep it simple at the start.

NO! JOIN A COMMUNIST PARTY

How do we get rid of the DSA and reincorporate its members into an actual leftist party that isn't "Democrats but more idealistic and annoying"?

For one, stop talking in vague terms about a "leftist party." We need a COMMUNIST party.

How do we dispel the "commie = authoritarian death" meme?