Are there people here who unironically believe this shit hole is an example to fallow?

Is this what the kids call woke? I love Juche now

You are a lying piece of scum. The United States and Japan were deliberately attempting to starve North Korea into submission. Any "food support" from the imperialists and their puppets was only a facade to help along their crushing campaign of sanctions and their coordinated military drills which made it difficult to harvest crops. North Korea is one of the most independent countries on earth. The imperialists still make it their goal today to starve and impoverish the Korean people.

How is that a shithole? It's free from american globalism!
I can only hope my country to adopt similar policies of isolationism and left nationalism.

This thread proves leftypol users still have liberal mentality. Of course North Korea is not a great country but you people sound like you actually think it's full of starving people, it's probably better than Cuba

It's not an absolute hellhole, but it's not a great example to follow, either.

I'd rather live in North Korea right now, can barely pay for my medicine and job is shit

Nah Cuba seems a lot more laid back and secure for whatever reason.

you realize the "education" there is worse than our middle schools right?

lmao, nothing can be worse than your dogshit Clapistani education

id rather have the dprk weather

probably not

/r/ing the DPRK infodump that has been posted here a few times.

Man when tankies try and talk big it sure is hilarious.
Have you ever considered applying occam's razor and just accepting NK is a failed socialist experiment

It's a good country and economically is better than Cuba, it has more economic growth than the ROK too, the only thing that makes it "bad" is because of their economic status, which is all thanks to a fuckton of sanctions by the US and others. National self reliance has helped them overcome hard times and they're only getting better and better, there are definitely some criticisms with their policy but generally it's my favorite country at the moment. I would not mind living there, people who believe in CIA lies about the country are going to be liberals within a year, Childish "Leftists" who are Anti DPRK are always going to tend towards liberalism.

Well if you like it a bit colder I guess.

The USA literally committed genocide against the DPRK, and is STILL legally at war with the country. Are you denying the fact that DPRK is the most sanctioned country on earth?

If it's failed, why is it stronger than ever? Jesus christ, you are delusional.

Holla Forums sure is full of fuckin larpers, im not a tankie and i can easily that the dprk is a decent country, social policy is probably shit but the rest seems fine, you kids will probably be liberals again by the time you are 30

just watch a documentary. the adults there only go to university to learn basic shit like driving or working computers.

sure thing porky.

who made the documentaries?

Keep crying liberal, face it nothing will ever satisfy you, you live in a utopian realm, stop larping.

exactly what I'm saying, these people have never even read a page of Marx or Lenin

Okay, I admit NK has done a phenomenal job resisting the insurmountable sanctions placed against it, but do you have any facts that really back up NK being "stronger than ever" and that the country is in fact still practicing socialism?

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Actually I just gave evidence that will satisfy me right here:

source: The Bank of Korea
The Bank of Korea is owned by the ROK
there are also other articles out there that document their amazing economic growth

Juche is Socialism, Juche is their System, read Kim Il-Sung

They have a highly advanced scientific and manufacturing sector that's allowing them to make nuclear ICBMS. Their economy is growing rapidly. Their cities are growing rapidly. They are electrifying the cities and countrysides. They have a huge amount of natural resources. They are becoming more open to the outside world (a sign of their secure position).

How about the fact that literally all the capitalists hate it and believe it's socialism? Why the hell would they be trying to crush it so hard, harder than any other country on earth, if it wasn't one of the last remaining bastions of socialism? This is basic logic. But as for the evidence, the economy is still entirely owned by the people, and it is entirely in service to the people. There is workplace democracy, local representation, full employment, free time, and all of the social benefits. It's socialist.

What the fuck is happening to me i love North Korea now

read a book.

north korea is a victim of imperialism.

You tankie vermin are beyond delusional. Like all Marxist-Leninist countries, their democracy is a sham meant to hide the fact that elites within a single party designed to have power rule the society under authoritarian principles.

And you have no evidence whatsoever about the workplace democracy.

I'm not even arguing that its a 1984 tier dystopia, but it is undeniable that it is one of the most authoritarian countries in the world today.

you sound like an ancap, stop. I 100% gurantee when you're older you will be a liberal, read a fucking book on Korea that isn't propaganda

They can't feed their people though. More than 2 million tons of food aid went to North Korea since the end of the cold war. They lack the infrastructure to deal with droughts.

That isn't a very good argument. Most capitalists don't know what socialism even is, and just hate NK because it isn't "free". Of course, I don't even think that's the case. Plenty of worse countries are ignored
simply because of their exploitability by higher powers. It more likely has to do with the simple fact that NK is refusing to trade with higher nations on their terms despite having valuable resources and nothing really to do with how the people there conduct themselves. Take pre-industrial Japan, for example. By no means was it socialist, but that didn't stop the US from nearly invading the country for its resources. I think the same could apply to NK.

Anyway, I don't think there is a meaningful way to verify if the economy is in service to the people, so really it wasn't a very useful question. Still, I'd be skeptical of that the party officials are selling.

*tankie squealing*

Their floods and natural disasters are worse than the likes of Hurricane Katrina, can you really blame that on them when they're the most sanctioned and isolated country on Earth? That's false, the people are fed, they just don't get enough Nutrients as a healthy person needs everyday, because of sanctions limiting them heavily. The only time the DPRK's citizens were starving was in the 90's because of a lot of different factors including the Soviet Union's undemocratic dissolvement. After then their economy has slowly kept up and they eliminated extreme hunger and starvation from the country since the early 2000's.

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2 million tons of food aid, while bullshit, is still close to nothing when spread out over a period of time. And even the CIA-authored wikipedia article is forced to admit that they have been food-independent for over a decade. In short, STFU.

Would any tankie actually move to North Korea if the sanctions ended?

Oh wow

So, tankies, if North Korea is so great, no one is starving and the government serves the people, why are there still defectors?

I would move there right now

Well, they support their ideology, and lifting sanctions would only help NK, so I'd imagine so. I think it would be harder for tankies to be accepted into NK, instead.

Not a tank but i would visit it and see for myself

Fuck yes! I'd have reservations about moving to a besieged country, but DPRK without sanctions would easily become the fastest-growing economy on earth, and it would have all the sweet social benefits, free housing, worker's rights, etc. Plus I would never have to talk to a classcuck again.

Forgot to take off shitpostint flag fug

maybe post photos that are't officially sanctioned propoganda

Some defectors want to return actually. Half of SK elderly population lives in poverty and ex-NK citizens are incentivized to exaggerate/lie about their experiences in NK in exchange for cash.

theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart

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lmao
and you liberals call US the paranoid ones

Where's the evidence for the workers control that tankies love to screech about?

Korea is greatest country on Earth.

Anyone who denies is liberal capitalist or agent of capitalist government. Death to the west.

Yeah it isn't like it's possible to cherry pick pictures of locations to change how a country is perceived. It's all either a conspiracy in one way or the other

youtube.com/watch?v=RL0uIwWset4
youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E

If you have Netflix, watch The Propaganda Game.

Damn, even r/FC is more aware than these liberal commies

The only difference is that in USA the european and african americans are being killed with biological and chemical warfare by their genocidal government in an attempt to ethnically cleanse without open warfare. The USA kills more people in a year through its vicious campaign than died in the entire rwandan genocide.

Die American

return2source.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/korea-resilient-socialism-in-democratic-korea/

globalresearch.ca/understanding-north-korea/3818

gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=6b0447bc14808161362b828aee0a284a

vngiapaganda.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/democracy-us-vs-dprk-towards-the-annihilation-of-a-narrative/

kfausa.org/dprk-constitution/

That had nothing to do with the argument I was trying to make. At all.

I take it you assume that because I'm critical of some aspects of NK I must be siding with America or some shit?

Im sorry friend but you have to face the facts, no country on earth will be perfect, no revolution will be the exact way you want it, you could either help or just complain on your chair.

Criticism of NK is support of capitalism.

Okay that's going a little far, you have to specify, constructive criticism is fine but when you start saying mainstream propaganda then you're already in the side of the liberal establishment

I have to disagree, I'm 100% pro DPRK and I would fight to preserve it and die for it in a heartbeat, I LOVE the DPRK but there are some serious criticisms you can make of certain policies like Songon, Jason Unruhe even made a book on his Marxist Critique of Songon and he's a hardcore supporter too.

Also

Hahahaha

Nice generalizing

Spoken like a liberal

Name any anarchist societies that were near perfect

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania

fuck off false flagger

fuck off american globalist shill

Fair enough, but you are talking about a small town vs a rural country

fuck off Alex Jones

Name a leftcom society that existed

Leftcom society will never exist, it will either be a lower stage communist society or an anarhist society.

Nigga pls

Name a lower stage communist society or an anarchist society that was brought about by a leftcom movement

hello Holla Forums
keep in mind that I'm in no way calling North Korea a shit country. I'm just telling the situation like it is.

One's a book, and one's the DPRK's constitution. Good counter-arguments, bro. Nice sources. I can tell you read every word. Also, Che Guevara thought it was cool.

North Korea is a true ancap paradise

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that's the joke
Capitalism has always had taxes.

None, leftcommunism will never influence a proletarian uprising, the materialist situation will

hello Alex Jones-tier conspiracy

Pretty much all M-L states abolished taxes. Cuba brought back taxes strictly for the small businesses they started allowing.

Or do you mean to take credit for whichever uprising occurs next?

What the fuck are you trying to imply? People won't read every volume of capital in order to start a revolution, they will have to know what socialism is though.

No one will start a revolution just because they read some book by a weird philosopher, no one will give a shit until after the revolution is finished and it's time to create a socialist society

Hello CIA

I'm Bane

that doesnt mean that the citizens are being fed, that just means we stopped sending food.

Everyone outside germany wanted to crush nazism too

and of course the retarded anarkiddies actually believe in their own strawmen

This looks like good material to troll libertarians and ancaps with

telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/north-koreas-hidden-beauty-pictures/
wtf are you talking about lol

Why should I believe it?
Why should I believe that either?

As a Dane this one annoys me a bit. I like Christiania, and I do think the original idea was a good one, but they have a lot of problems with criminal groups competing over control of the cannabis market. Shootings are not uncommon there.

This is why pacifism is stupid. Literally nothing wrong with protecting yourself and your community

I completely agree with you.

I agree with nearly everything except the democracy bit.

Come on, the place is basically a socialist monarchy with Korean characteristics. It's authoritarian as fuck…

Still impressive though

Authoritarianism is defined by what class is in power, they hold democratic elections every 5 years and adhere to Democratic Centralism, even Kim Jong Il almost got elected out of office once in the early 2000's. The leaders do not have full power over the government like totalitarian control, there are members of the Supreme People's Assembly that hold more power than Marshall Kim Jong Un.

Authoritarianism is defined by whether or not it is authoritarian. It doesn't have to be a one-man dictatorship to be authoritarian, democracies can be authoritarian too. The state can be totalitarian without having to just have one person at the head, it could be a group of people too. Even monarchs didn't hold all the power, the nobles had a say, but it was harder for monarchs to purge the nobility than it is for Kim Jong Un to purge party members as he is currently doing (not entirely unjustified, China has been planning coups since grandpa I believe).

It's a dictatorship of the party with a cult of personality that is just really fucking weird. I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing, but that it's hardly a "true" socialist democracy. You'd be more accurate to say it's a dictatorship of the proletariat or whatever, but it's at least admitting it's a dictatorship.

all states are dictatorships, states are dictatorships of one class over another. Yes the DPRK is a Dictatorship of The Proletariat and is a Democracy

Several independent accounts say it's a LOT better than you would expect. So unless you have spent a period of time there please shut the fuck up.

what level of ancap are you on

dude it's basic marxism

yes

So basically in the end both systems (American capitalism, Chinese communism) work. Here in america healthcare isnt free but if your poor you can get free insurance, a money allowance and food stamps. Both systems have the same problems:
-Rich and poor divide
-Uneven distribution of power
-Racism and classism
-Crime
-Drugs
-Depression/ suicide
-Portion of population on medication

The elites have us playing Semantics at this point in reguards to the name of our system. Making each side think the grass is greener on the other side when at the end of the day for all the differences its pretty much the same.

It’s a socialist multi-party democracy. What’s not to like.

This all seems really amazing, how much does it costs to move to North Korea?

You can't just "get" it. Not only are all of those things getting pared down to nothing, but even accessing them is becoming more difficult. Some states prevent you from getting them if you're too poor. If you're a student, you get fucked out of these things too, even if you're flat broke.

They have retards like you doing that because you don't know what you're fucking talking about.

It's not very expensive, you can fly to China and get on train. There's tourist agencies taking care of that.
The worst must be the months if not years of interrogation and suspicion over if you are really interested in living there or if you're just a spy.
After that i imagine you will become a celebrity like the american who moved there and you will starr in films, go on university give lectures.

DPRK economic growth is mainly due to increasing trade with China. If they just gave up their useless nuclear weapons program then they would be so much better off.

Trade with China has been decreasing actually, and China has sanctioned them recently. Trade with China makes up less than 5% of their GDP I believe. DPRK is mostly self-sustaining with a bunch of joint venture firms so they can distribute smartphones and stuff like that amongst their population.

that's just a place full of smelly hippies where people go to smoke weed and have a few beers. you can't compare it to an actual country.

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Holla Forums does

Anyone who can raise an army like that is worthy of following.

Is their any actual picture or video of the missile that was launch this morning?

This is my dream job. Moving to Korea or Cuba or somewhere and literally get paid to complain about how bad America is.

kek you got immediately BTFO

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because its not what you claim it is.
its a fucking semi communist monarchy.
they have casts.
the king, his court (bourgeois) and the filthy present.

the king and his court can enjoy a full capitalist lifestyle while the presents sustains them.

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If you go on youtube you can find plenty of video of North Korean streets with steady foot traffic. Fuck off retard.

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