Liberals building up pretext for fascism while claiming innocence in the aftermath, the fuck do we do about this?

what's your point? they'll look like retards in the process.

bruh like every mainstream article about them is "far left extremist leftist alt left use baseball bat wmd violence against peaceful not armed at all god fearing culturally diverse trump supporters"

to who? your ass in solitary confinement for thought crime

Holla Forums thinks that if an article isn't calling for death squads against antifa then it is "pro-antifa propaganda." It's actually funny how terrified Holla Forumstards are of them.

IT'S A JEWISH LEFTIST AGENDA

It depends what papers you read. Liberal outlets like the NYT are more flattering, whereas conservative outlets are in chimp.out mode. It's hard to gauge what the long-term plan is. I'm still leaning towards "Color Revolution", since Jewish elements in the liberal establishment tend to be leery of nationalism, and the liberal establishment's goals are opposite to those of the Trump administration.

"Who are the antifa, then? They do not advocate a positive doctrine, racial or otherwise."

really now

ask this guy if that's how he feels.

raped?

I would say it's rather flattering for one of the most prominent news outlets in the US, reporting on a group chanting "No Trump, no wall, no USA at all".

by providing no context on what exactly what that means?

Can Kim stop fucking around and glass us already?

Well, American antifa and related groups mostly serve the agenda of the liberal establishment. The radical left always fails in the West - it just so happens to fail in a way that's convenient for the liberal establishment.

building ties with the community totally is a liberal plot to discredit armchairs

In every "revolutionary" period since the 1960s, the radical left has generally advocated for minority and oppressed groups, for internationalism, and against capitalism. Every radical left failure (1960s, OWS, etc.) has coincided with the liberal capitalist establishment doubling down on idpol and internationalism. How have you not made the connection yet?

tanks need to neck themselves

The Deep State will try to pivot Trump into a Reagan-esque presidential figure who strikes a balance between Empire and 'global progressive capitalism', but the contradictions are far more strained than they were back in the 80s. The coastal managerial class' matriarchal values are fundamentally incompatible with the christian and patriarchal structures of their rivals in the bourgeois heartland. communicative capitalism facilitates mass hysteria and scapegoating. As Marshall McLuhan predicted we are sinking back into a pre literate tribal environment. Liberal values such as 'free speech' could only be a product of a print based order of literate bourgeois. The inner city and the bleak opiate addled remains of Main Street are becoming unlivable and ungovernable. See things such as the ferguson riots on one side, the landowner backed militia movement stepping in to feel the void of state power on the other.

the growing power of the left is the reason neoliberals haven't launched the 'colour revolution' yet. they feel understandably threatened by left power, so they will try to marginalise us first.

Maybe. The Deep State isn't a monolith. One can envision a partial reversal of internationalism, assuming that labor costs in rich countries take enough of a hit for the rich to go along with it - "anything to be rid of the brown people".

Attack them. Attack them at every chance you get via our own indie news outlets.

Liberals own the vast majority of media outlets, whether news or pop culture, etc. You have to go on the attack otherwise they will completely control the narrative. This is why all you fags NEED to support indie news outlets. Spread those articles around on twitter/fb/etc. Indie news outlets that help spread leftism are fundamental to fighting back against the liberal media smears.

What outlets are you thinking of? I hope you don't mean Trotskyist Newspaper #13109092843.

r8 my hot take

This is why antifa is a bad thing, they just make the left look bad.

And why does the media think anarchism and marxism are interchangeable?

DANK

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This but unironically. Buy guns, train, be ready, and by all means defend yourselves but don't initiate violence. An effective antifascist movement would have to be seen as genuinely protecting the vulnerable from fascist violence, and we can't do that if we are seen as the ones instigating violence.

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they only reason they don't is because they ignore them into irrelevance.

From the original article:

nationalreview.com/article/450893/antifa-berkeley-violence-harms-political-culture

somewhere out there, leftcoms are cozying up in their armchairs even more.

Liberals deserve to get bashed too tbqh. They constantly imagine themselves as freedom fighters with stupid shit like #resist and when people actually start resisting they're like AKSHUALLY VIOLENCE IS FASCISM!
They control the fucking planet. What are they fucking resisting besides a big mean orange twitter guy?

The only reason they don't get their faces beaten in is realpolitik. The only reason.

Learn how to protect yourself and live innawoods

Someone who had half the content of his message sanitized for liberals and ultimately failed in achieving his actual deeper goals?

The media will always resist genuine leftist movements, especially when they have mass support.

Ignore them. There's no way to convince corporate media that we're the good guys.

Fuck you.

kek

The liberal antifa is the mass media. They are quite prepared to brutalize the left if they think they're not playing their game. Liberals are the true puppet masters.

Did you think they would just come for the nazis little baby boy :)

They see their little globalist liberal capitalist scheme imploding and they are trying to censor anyone who is critical of it, whether it be the far right or far left.

Honestly, it was only a matter of time, trump said the words alt left, and the antifa are tribalitic morons who will beat up anyone who isnt to the left of mao.

The media has to cover it now or they look like hypocrits.

Just hope an antifa doesnt go full retard like the nazis did and kill someone

They have started to go a bit off track due to their alliance with BLM. Saw them terrorising a prison at some point and tearing a fence down, getting into a fight with the guards.
Obviously that shit doesn't get reported because then it shifts the narrative greatly and could potentially shift the dialectic against the state.

You made my pussy cummy by calling me little boy

Yes, yes, you're the masters of transdimensional flute playing. Pretty much all of our presence is in organizing online and reliant on capitalisms instability rather than "LE MAYMAY WAR!"

fixt

as it should be

the internet has no free speech now because liberals and tech companies have decided to deem themselves the morality police. In reality its capitalism becoming more draconian and censoring every ideology that is a threat to it because the elites didnt get their way and corporate grandma didnt win in 2016.
When you see western newspapers decrying Chinese or Russian censorship just know the capitalist fuckers are itching to do the same.

You will probably see more demonization of the far left in the future as 2020 gets closer. Cant have another bernie sanders threatening the plutocrats and their idpol status quo

I'm going to launch a petition to the British government if Corbyn gets a landslide and request that there's a new internet base free of corporate meddling funded by taxes. Sort of like the BBC.
Haven't really thought it through as you can tell but fuck SV.

Probably as soon as next year we'll start seeing major (or what passes for major in this context lol) leftist sites being taken down for 'hate speech', 'inciting violence' and 'promoting division' and stuff like that. Literature sites will probably stay up, but anything where any kind of organisation or even the more strident polemic will probably go the way of Stormfront. The way it's framed will probably depend on which direction burgerstan corporate media and state settles on regarding "antifa", ie. are they domestic terrorists who pose a physical danger or are they just "extremists promoting hate". The result will be pretty much the same though.

Berkeley Mayor: We Should Classify Antifa ‘As A Gang’

sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/berkeley-mayor-classify-antifa-as-a-gang/

He's just covering his ass because the aut-right is foaming at the mouth over his refusal to care about their little """free speech""" rallies.

The left is used to state oppression and hardened against it, it's the right wing that's constantly coddled by the state that's thrown for a loop when that state comes after them.

If they ever shut us all down, the only plans i can think of are to become more clandestine, like create a forum that is about gardening but is secretly about politics.
Or create accounts on porn websites and talk through them.

What people in this thread don't understand is that it's really hard for the media to criticize a group that persecutes nazis for their beliefs, because nazis want to persecute everyone and their dog and have a history of crime, prison gangs, etc.

What I'm betting on is the alt right lashing out harder and more impotently further justifying the former's existence.

You could probably trojan horse political talk through a literature or history forum

I have a gut feeling that we might see political secret societies growing when the wild west aspect of the internet is completely neutered.

The narrative will be - all leftists are black bloc anarchists. The liberals now have their lefty pantomime villains. There are probably a few undercover Feds encouraging antifa to be more violent to make them look bad. There's a place for resisting bootsnbraces neo nazis, but if antifa start doing it every time, the media manufactured public opinion will snap very hard against them.

All that will do is make MLs and non-smashy anarchists look more respectable and allow them to enter public discourse as the "rational" left (much like the trostkyists during the cold war.)

Actually the smartest strategy for the neoliberals would be to push the sjw's into the antifa, associate antifa with sjw's, wait for antifa to fuck up, shut them down.
Then move the democratic party more to the center right and less obsessed with hyper idpol in order to better market themselves to middle america.
It would buy the donor class more time and rid the democrats of the far left and sjw madness

I don't think peaceful protest is the right word. More like reserved self-defense, as in making a display that, while we have no intention of starting anything or ruining some regular proles day, we are carrying and we will shoot to defend ourselves. Also benefits on the conservative side of things as anyone criticizing such actions would have to also criticize carry and self-defense laws.

What do you think neoliberalism is?

I read an article once about Chinese censorship and the way people got around it was by changing the words they used. Like it would be if leftpol started calling capitalists "crab people".

If this was the 1960s I'd agree with you. But most leftists that are out there atm, especially online, are recently radicalised (often formerly-) 'middle-class' social libs, which is fine, but imo they are accustomed to having the state and especially big corps promoting and supporting their views in a way that the far-right absolutely is not. And as far as I can see, there is also a lack of leftist "elders", if you will who can really tell the new people what is probably coming - because most of the old lefties still around tend to be sheltered academics. Even though the neo-fash right is also mostly recently radicalised libs, there are plenty of old guard right-wing militia types, NutSac Movement goons and others who actually have experience of an ostensibly hostile state and corps and organising outside of mainstream spaces. This is a resource that the burgerstan left and western left more broadly simply doesn't have for the most part.

the upside is that being directly repressed for their politics by powerful state and corps will probably harden a lot of new radicals and cement them for the long haul, since subsuming them back into the mainstream seems less viable now than it was during, say, occupy.

You think "the media" are these arch villain Machiavellian geniuses but they're all nervous puckered lip nerds who don't want to get a terrible ratio on twitter or refuse to back down on being a complete dumbass

Things aren't like what they used to be on television news anymore and the internet is a component in how they digest media, and the old plans don't work and a new generation is in media.

You can just say 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 everything isn't that simple unless you get your digest of what people think entirely from one specific part of the internet

The liberal media are still a creature of capitalism. They will support their real master no matter what.

Capitalism is dumber than you think.

I think biggest problem thats going to be faced in years to come is the liberal establishment framing itself as the last bulwark against fascism and condeming socialism as some uncapable esoteric artifact with the new "left" being thrown on wild goose chases to remove "symbols" or specific qualities of capital that the system is more then willing rebrand, subsitute qualities in, and throw back up in an infinite defensive measure.

Looks like libs are turning on anarchkiddies since they just found out anarchists hate them too.
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