Why haven't you signed up yet, user?

That's not how it went down, tho.

No the rojavafags started spouting unironic liberal propaganda against Assad and so got banned. It wasn't a meltdown.

Since BO basically ruined the Rojava/Syria general with their helicoptering bullshit they're probably still here and have just stopped talking about the subject. I imagine quite a few left due to the user count dropping a bit while they were sperging out despite people coming back with VPNs.

The Tankie is lying, as per usual. Retarded Tankiddies were flooding Rojava threads with "ASSAD IS ACTUALLY A MARXIST PLAYING 66 DIMENSIONAL CHESS!" and denouncing any "What the fuck is this" as liberal propaganda. The BO's imperialism meltdown was because the US approved of an arms deal with them, and yes, it was a meltdown, as their angry spergouts when asked showed.

& lets not forget that the anarchist mods started revenge banning the other side

More like denouncing the "US bombs are clear bombs" and "Assad's are dirty bombs" CNN narrative.

Having looked at the ban list at the time this was the case with one or two dickheads and the vast majority of the bans were questionable.

Yes it is. The existing rojava thread was deleted and BO tried to push a new cyclical that failed before banning "imperialists". This isn't to say US involvement isn't worrying or imperialism is good, but BO was certainly autistic.

Assad is a liberal, that someone opposes a liberal shouldn't be a bannable offense even if the particular liberal is the target of US imperialism.

I don't understand why Rojava liberals and ML liberals can't just get along.

He dropped the Lib word.

By not becoming a racketeer for porky or his enforcers.

Not looking forward to her inevitable freedum nudes.

The biggest tragedy is that the thread used to be good for getting information and news, and was overall very comfy. The tankies ruined it with their sperging. You can easily argue Rojava is making a poor and sketchy decision accepting help and occupation from the US - but stating it over and over again like you've had your wires fucking tripped is not actually conducive to a thread when the only thing you can do after that point is watch it pan out in real time.

libcom.org/blog/syria-imperialism-left-1-08082012
Assad is bourgeois scum and pretending otherwise is extremely disingenuous.

Another tankiddie myth. Mods who were in opposition to the imperialism ban began to use its loose definition to ban pro-Soviets for "supporting Soviet imperialism", to show the BO how fucking retarded it was. The bans were lifted by the same mods when it was apparent that she was not seeing what they meant, and it had nothing to do with an anarchist conspiracy against you.

I've noticed a worrying level of tankies intentionally spreading misinformation on Holla Forums lately. I do not like it.

anarchism 101

To the surprise of nobody.

Tankies are always spreading disinfo, otherwise nobody would be an M-L.

Not an argument.

I don't remember the anarkiddies or YPGfags posting the same post but slightly reworded for hundreds of replies, essentially gimping the thread. Amusing to see you're holding up the Lenin hat tradition of being very confused on context and you've mistaken my take of the Syria thread for the actual country.

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I do wonder how someone could take this post to be referring about a specific thread.

So, basically, punishing the community further. How bright. I wasn't banned that day for "supporting Soviet imperialism" (and I'd love to see the definition of imperialism you are using here). I was banned for compiling a thread that pointed to BO's discussions, debunking the myth that he will ban all Kurd-supporters since people kept pushing the hysteria. The reason was: "we already have threads like this" and the sentence: two weeks. Appeal immediately denied. Seemed to me the anarchist mod in question was just looking for an alibi to push his agenda.

It's funny when you accuse of others being dishonest while admitting that you hurt the community to prove a point. (I'm not even going to indulge your equation of US imperialism and the Soviet Union. I think your post speaks for itself and everybody with half a brain can figure it out.)

But since nobody uses the Rojava flag anymore and you don't see anyone talking about it much perhaps BO should stop enforcing things in a hamfisted and spasticated manner typical of the Homo Americanus.

No we have to keep that one zionist galil loving fucker from posting here.

Congratulations on further showing your inability to read posts, as if you didn't already show that above. Are you implying I'm the mod who banned you? Stop, user. You are only embarrassing yourself further, and contributing to the lelnin hat being used by illiterates who haven't even read Lenin. Anarchism is an ideology that I do not subscribe to, not a word you can throw around when someone has hurt your feelings.

I can only remake my argument of that same dreadful night (RIP over 9000 banned comrades of both sides). We already banned shilling nazis, racial reyalists, ultra-idpollers, etc. in that same manner. BO's imperialism rule shouldn't have been seen as something extraordinary but the extension of an already existing practice.

In any case, it's a travesty what the mod team is doing to this community, taking your personal vendettas on us.

I went from hoping the US doesn't stab them in the back to hoping they would.

Funny how things turn out.

No?

It is my understanding that the whole shitshow went down between anarchist and Marxist mods, banning each argument's supporters.

Is this one of the people that got banned? I don't really have a problem for muh barrel bombs and being completely naive to the big shit sandwich allying with the US could see you eating, but there were definitely some users that got banned and the posts that were banned were pretty tame. Obviously I can't see their entire post history, but if I was BO I wouldn't be dumb enough to click a random post in someone's history when I know people will be going over what I'm doing with a fine tooth comb.
You can see the chilling effect it's had, YPG flags practically dropped off the face of the earth over night. Syria threads are always quiet and I haven't learned anything about the war since they allied with US forces.

You are talking to two anons and I'm not a mod, the other user may be a mod or someone that was smart enough to use the Holla Forums logs system at the time, which differentiates between mods and BOs, and will show you the posts people were banned for, by who, the reason, and how long.
My problem with the ban was it was too wide reaching, it should have stuck to neoliberal news tier propaganda and not people who according to the ban logs weren't doing much more than thinking aloud about the implications of the US/Roj pact, and whether Rojava is tricksy enough to weasel its way out of disastrous consequences.

I agree completely. I assumed that this poster was a mod (or at least an insider to the anarcho side) since it's the first time I heard of this travesty:

This poster proudly proclaims that they fucked over the community because the mods couldn't settle their differences internally.

One more thing tho, about that night. As far as I can recollect the whole banning shit started with 2-3 legit bans (clean&dirty bombs-tier shit) then SOME PEOPLE (wink wink, rubs hand, poisons well, exterminates the white race) started making martyrs out of them (muh free speech), and in typical chan fashion started reposting them, memeing and counter-memeing to the point where irony couldn't be properly detected, and the whole shitshow turned into a mass hysteria about the tyrannical takeover by BO.

Proudly? The fuck are you on about? Nothing about that indicates pride. I was one of the people banned when I "supported soviet imperialism". and it was not long (about a day or two) before the IP was unbanned. Whether or not that was because I said that they had only just banned a VPN, I do not know.

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I hadn't heard of the anarchist mods going on a spree before, so it could just be some imageboard shit stirring. I came online after it had already erupted, and seeing the gigantic fucking ban list and looking it over started posting increasingly esoteric bait and reporting everyone for some form of imperialism, so you may be right and it could have just spiraled out of control by everyone trolling each other. Two of my favourite shitposting achievements that got me bans were calling Americans on the internet "micro-imperialists" and supporting the KMT against the PRC.
Maybe BO literally did nothing wrong and everyone got sucked into a meme, but BO should bear in mind for future events that anyone who would start checking the facts would find a ban list flooded with bans against X but they aren't actually X.

The main problem with the bannings is that the rule justifying them came out of nowhere in addition to being too wide reaching. And this is still an issue assuming isn't a massive hoax by 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧them🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

As the events progressed in Syria and as news kept popping up it became obviously clear that the Kurds accepted a strategy (namely: US alliance) that was doomed to failure. In that infamous "cozy rojava thread" non-critical support of the Kurds emerged. If you ask me it pretty much resembled the cold war in the sense that at one point every communist had to realize that you can't "fully support" (whatever that means) the USSR any further. For some it was Stalin, for some it was '56, for some the Turkish-Cuban missile crisis, up until the end.

Both in the case of Rojava and in the case of the USSR prolonged support took a perverted turn. Both takes up the "I know very well, but still" attitude: "I know very well about the Stalinist gulags, but in America they lynch negros!" was a well known one. In the case of Rojava some people pushed their uncritical support to the point where they started using mainstream (read: neoliberal, pro-imperialist) talking-points to defend the Kurds: "I know very well that the Kurds allied themselves with the imperialists, but hey, they at least use clean bombs!"

IMO the BO made the right decision because the above tendency started getting rampant, turning the two most retarded factions against each other (third worldists vs. YPG-fanbois) and upping their relevance, as if we had to decide to back one or the other, while some of us knew that both of these factions basically fetishize the "habbidings over there" to hide the fact that nothing is "habbiding over here."

That YPG flaggers disappeared isn't due to on-sight ban of the flag – I'm certain that's another myth. Anarkiddies had their first cold-war type lesson, and that's that.

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Otherwise I agree. BO needs to write longer and better argued posts for changing rules.

The point is the rule wasn't codified in the FAQ at the time, which only happened two weeks ago. BO not only needs to be better at arguing for rules, but they need to be better at publicly posting them. If only to avoid autistic spergouts or mod coldwars.

The comfy thread was before the US and Kurds started cosying up to each other, I sort of lost interest shortly before it happened so when I came back to the thread it seemed to me it was largely tanks ranting about imperialism. I still hope the Kurds prove the tankies wrong and make the USA look ridiculous and get their way, but I know I'm being optimistic about US allies with socialist tendencies faring well, and obviously the tankies and BO themselves would prefer this to be the case. The saving grace is that the Kurds seem to be very politically savvy and are always getting backstabbed, and know this full well, coupled with the current decline of the American empire. Otherwise I would largely write it off as a complete shitshow waiting to happen. I liked the rest of your post and have nothing to really add to it, and it sheds some light on why the YPG posters were turned against.
I wasn't trying to claim it's banned on sight, just that the chilling effect has taken effect on it.

Sure, but first the mod team needs to come to a decision. Then they need to act in unison to implement the rule change. If they don't, that means there's factionalism that will trickle down (intentionally or unintentionally) to the community. I don't see how you can run a communist mod team if not on the basis of democratic centralism: if the majority agrees to the change and it is decided, even those who didn't have to act upon it as well. Dissenters should be reprimanded and eventually thrown out if they won't cease. Otherwise the community suffers.

cheers

Multiple times mods have said they didn't support the decision. Only the BO wants this bullshit and he's enforcing it like he's some monarch

not join US imperialism

So BO inherited all the wealth of the land from his ancestors and rules over it with an iron fist? I don't think so. This is Holla Forums. You create a board and you moderate it (work). You invite others to help you as the board grows (collective work).

I know that some mods criticized it openly so I take it they either didn't have a discussion and collective decision beforehand (worst case scenario) or some of the mods didn't agree to the collective decision and rebelled (transgression of the collective). The whole of the mod team can't be present to chime in whenever a new rule proclaimed for obvious reasons (having lives, sleeping atm).

I don't know how the modding is run, I'm not familiar with the "back stage". Are you? If not, don't you think it's spiteful to call a comrade a monarch?

savage

The only thing I'll sign is my name in your corpse's flesh pig

I'd rather fight for my homeland than complain about imperialism from my armchair. Means to an end, my friend.

Jesus are you disengenous. First it was "mod team should work on democratic centralism" and when I point out that it clearly doesn't because the BO ignores what the other mods think, you proceed to defend him. BO isn't behaving like a comrade at all, so stop your concern trolling

>>I know that some mods criticized it openly so I take it they either didn't have a discussion and collective decision beforehand (worst case scenario) or some of the mods didn't agree to the collective decision and rebelled (transgression of the collective). The whole of the mod team can't be present to chime in whenever a new rule proclaimed for obvious reasons (having lives, sleeping atm).
I can't help you with reading comprehension any further.

Unless the mods were lying to us, the BO didn't vote on the rule beforehand or after so frankly you're full of shit.

How many mods do we have? Do you know? I don't. I saw 1-2 mod(s) voicing concerns that night. Do you think he/they represent the whole mod team? Do you think that they were the majority inside the mod team? I don't claim to know. Do you think that all mods were against the decision? I don't. Why didn't they start shit-flinging against those who voiced their concerns? Probably because they didn't think it was responsible behavior. Ofc we can't rule out that BO is literally Hitler, but looking at the current state of communism I think it's much more likely that the whole mod team is under-organized, praxis isn't unified, internal rules aren' codified, etc.

One to two mods clearly stating that they didn't vote on the decision beforehand and that only the BO was enforcing the rule, which is still the case to this day. Again, unless they are lying to us you are completely full of shit and are only disingenuously defending the BO because it fits your agenda. Nothing was democratic about this decision then or now. Kys my man

because i'm not an adventurist fighting for pro-american interests.

if you seriously think joining the kurds is leftist then you are a retard

Were they offered the chance to vote? No? That's a problem. Did they vote against it while the majority for it? That's not a problem (and this makes them turds, openly transgressing a collective decision).

That's his freaking job. The question is legitimacy: did he have it or not? See above.

Do you know or think?

nice trips, dawg

but then again:

No they weren't offered the chance last time they commented on it, and as I previously stated ONLY the BO was enforcing this rule then and now, none of the other mods supports it. The fact that he unilaterally created this rule means he's not acting as a comrade but a despot. Again, this is coming from what mods said previously and nothing seems to have changed since then

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Correction. This is coming from that 1-2 mod(s) that night. We are arguing around a bunch of unknowns. At least I'm honest about it.

thanks

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Ew. Petit-bourgeois fun. At least have the decency to fistfuck a comrade properly.

I don't see any reason why they would be lying to us, especially since the evidence points to them being truthful.

Ew. higher-petit-bourgeois fun. Don gloves and combat grenades, comrades. Count how many we can fit.

really makes you think

I think I'll take a break now.

I failed the revolution