It's offical: talking neutrally about proles in the military or being one is now a bannable offense

Or even talking about how they'll be necessary for a successful revolution.

How the fuck can we allow this? We're here because we demand a democratic society and economy, yet we have to deal with a dictatorship on our own board. Fucking /r/socialism is better than this, at least they pretend to hold elections, whereas BO doesn't give a fuck, they treat this board exactly like its their private property and they don't have to answer to us, when WE'RE the ones who post here and actually make it have any sort of worth. Not only is BO a pseudo-socialist, they're an objectively shitty and cowardly mod, refusing to answer or engage with complaints of users, or even argue their position. Their reaction to this thread cannot be said to be anything except subversive. Their entire presence here is subversive and they should've left when they created that fucking feels-based imperialism ban. Now Nazbols are being banned simply for being Nazbols, sure they're usually annoying former Holla Forumsacks, but they're undoubtedly Socialists and banning them is just the BO further defining who is and isn't a "proper Leftist". So much for being politically incorrect, the BO literally bans for the wrong political opinions. Who will be next: Bookchinites, Mutualists, Leftcoms?

They have no right to impose rules on us we never agreed to and we're spineless Socialists if we allow that. BO is progressively getting worse and we need to do something before they damage the board irreparably.

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I want liberals to leave

Are you retarded? Do you think Socialism is living under an ironfisted dictatorship?

I once got banned for being a "copcuck", appealed it with all my righteousness, and got unbanned.

Mods are ban-happy but also unban-happy.

It's not like ban evading is even difficult. The point is they (BO mainly) impose these rules that we never agreed to solely because that want to. They literally treat this board like it's theirs.

nigga the fuck you want instead? Elections? Good luck with literal fascists next door.

It is theirs. The material conditions of imageboards just work that way. It'd be nice to have a decentralized board with no owner and elected mods or something but I don't think such a thing exists and I honestly have a hard time imagining it.

Obviously there can't be elections on an imageboard. I just want the BO to stop creating and imposing rules that are almost universally hated and that literally no one asked for, and stop being a cowardly, subversive faggot.

I know how imageboards work. The point is they have a bourgeois mindset that this board is their property that they can do whatever they like with. Of course physically they can, but that's not the point.

Replacing the current (clearly very unstable BO) with Space_, creating a formal list of rules and opening up the moderation to both more non-burgers are positions that I have advocated here for ages.
Unfortunately they have all been dismissed.

I have learnt not to participate in certain threads, as the BO has a history of getting triggered and banning all of the posters that do not share her position on a given issue.
I would recommend everyone observe over time what issues trigger the BO and give threads that discusses them (regardless of how much you may want to participate) a wide-berth.
It is sad that one has to do this, but with the current BO in charge, that is the only safe way to operate.


Creating a formal set of rules is not something that would be difficult, nor something that I believe the majority here would have a problem with.

As it stands now, the BO will periodically enter a thread and ban everyone that does not hold her position.
If questioned on this, she will retroactively make up a 'rule' to try and justify her actions.
I do not consider this defensible behaviour.

There are formal rules, mainly no muh imperialism or climate change denial (they put that one in after they banned me for insulting them and had to think of a real reason after the fact). The problem is the rules are arbitrarily created and applied even when the mass majority is against them. How a genuine Socialist could act like that or how other Socialists could tolerate that is incomprehensible.

I don't know why you keep shilling Space_, but from what I've seen, he's relatively stable and sane, just stubborn on improving his shitty site. At this point anyone who isn't a Fascist or an SJW would be an improvement.

That's not very materialist of you, comrade.

Materialistically, we have a subversive, destructive BO and we need to do something about it.

We already have a formal set of rules. Yes, they came about quite arbitrarily, but they're rules nonetheless. Do you have a suggestion as to how we can make them 'formal'?

inb4 a full week of shitposting about the military

I would like to see the creation of a set of rules that are specific, comprehensive, readily available and universally enforced.

As it stands, we have a small selection of rules that fit none of those criteria.

Okay, I can get behind that. But won't you just end up with a more comprehensive list of the same stuff, meaning you'll end up with the same bans we have now, but 'justified'?

It is. She's absolute dictator and this board is functionally her property, at least to the extent that the administrator allows it. What are you gonna do about it? Unless you could get everyone here to just pack up and leave for some other place which isn't run by the same people, we're just gonna have to accept it.

Get angry and agitate

How terrifying.

If the current BO keeps her position, I'm positive that will indeed be the outcome.

But my primary complaints in regards to the rules are there arbitrary enforcement and post-hoc justification in regards to bans.
At-least if we had a comprehensive rule-set, threads about police, military personnel, Israel ect would not be the minefields that they are now; People would be informed ahead of time as to what positions trigger the BO and are as such not allowed to be presented.

Just because something isn't a minefield doesn't make it an improvement. Bans aren't problems, the problem is the BO is arbitrary, dictatorial, and destructive. If I want to talk about the police or the military, the only thing that should stop me is if others don't, not because the first person who took the board name decides they don't like those topics on "their" board.

WEW

this for fucks sake, euro mornings always go unmoderated

I fully agree with you.
However one has to pick their battles.

With enough sustained pressure, I could see the creation of a comprehensive rule-set being created.
However I cannot see any amount of outrage dethroning the BO, or even her allowing positions she disagrees with to be debated and defended.


Australian evenings are also quite poor, with raids both common and there threads existing for quite some time before action is taken.

I have asked for non-burger mods to be recruited to address this.
However this has not occurred.

I think when BO gets annoyed by an argument they're taking part in they ban everyone tbh.

We're ban buddies :^)

its a tough life

Ya, I'm getting tired of changing my VPNs. It doesn't help that Holla Forumstards cut down on some of the available locations with their shitposting.

You aren't a "proper leftist" if you are "national" anything.


Then make your own board if you don't like this one.

These threads are never actually about bo or making Holla Forums better, just bitching about being banned.

nazbols deserve it

You can have that opinion and probably most people here do, but once that becomes a rule then that's giving power to the BO for them to define who is and isn't a Leftist, effectively allowing them to ban whatever ideology they don't like.
I don't care about being banned, it's inconsequential to me. It's not necessarily inconsequential to others, and having certain topics not being allowed to be talked about and censored is a problem.

Agree.


I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate because that "censorship" is necessary to some greater or lesser degree, by which I mean if you don't want this board spammed to hell and back someone is going to have to curate the discussion. Given that actual Leftists are the minority here, if everyone had their "free speech," "uncensored" and "unmoderated" then any kind of discussion would be made impossible with Holla Forums and /pone/ shit.

So please elaborate because generally
Tends to mean
And I don't want to accuse you of that if that isn't what you mean.

There's a very clear difference between spam and bait and actual topics of discussion. The problem is when those topics relate to politics yet are effectively disallowed or the users (self)censored. I don't want any good faith threads relating to politics prohibited

You say that but I'm afraid I can't agree. There are bait threads here every day masquerading as legitimate discussions.

It's not that I don't sympathize with your general opinions but I think you misidentify both the causes and solutions, though in regards to the BO I really can't say one way or another.

What about national-internationalist ?
As in, pushing for a international community of nations peacefully cooperating ?

Leftypol doesn't ban enough with the daily retard pol threads being any indicator.

Agree.

The problem is that Holla Forumsacks get off the hook too easily, getting 1 week bans, allowed to shitpost for long times. The subtle falseflaggers (like that one faggot using the egalitarian flag) dont get caught at all. I got a 4 week ban for explaining how people join the military to get out of poverty. You literally can't refute this without a "muh bootstraps" answer.

If we're gonna have a nazbol flag we shouldn't ban people for using it and sincerely stating their position. I'm all for banning right-wing shitposts but if someone wants to genuinely participate they should be able to do so even if expressing anti-leftist views.

Some of the positions the BO has taken a hard line on are just dumb, and for many of the others bans seem wholly unnecessary - do we really need to ban Zionists to make an apartheid ethnostate look bad?

I wish we could somehow have an internet with no mods and no spambots. Sooner or later mods and admins ruin everything.

Fuck BO tbh famalam

normally not and i'm all for free speech as well however zionists regardless whether they are of the liberal or outright fascist type will literally flood the board with obvious and not-so-obvious propaganda if you don't keep them check. they will utilize bots and long term strategies and sooner or later you'll get banned for critisizing israel, zionists and imperialism on Holla Forums. i've seen it happen to many forums over the last 15 years. again, i don't like them getting b& for having a different opinion, but the bo is right on this one.

Do you think socialism is democratic workplaces?

It's a one person you fucking redditfugee.

read a fucking book

read bordiga you pleb

lol kys

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Have fun with not abolishing production for exchange.

socialism isnt what wolff says it is, no need to read bordiga to know that

I got banned for reposting some hilariously boomer bullshit my grandfather wrote. Not only did my appeal not go through, but the BO personally apologized to me and I still have to hop on the VPN to post here.
If I were more paranoid, I'd claim that the BO is intentionally trying to kill the board.