Opinions on being Catholic in far left politics

I haven't read Karl Marx I've heard of him but never read his work.

>>>/christianleft/ *

Catholics are all right as long as they keep thier spooks in the church. All protestant churches need to be burn down as soon as possible though.

Read pic related. He's ex-Marxist but still an anti-liberal communitarian.

If you reconciled your religious believes with science, then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do the same for socialism.

Engels (quoted by Lenin) also warned people not to try and out-Bismarck Bismarck. Basically repress religious people and they will all rally the flock.

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm

Zizek, while not religious, has some pretty interesting opinions on Christianity
youtube.com/watch?v=28a9mWLNF4s

Understandable

Yes but some ideologies tend to clash more then others, it took me years to grasp and mold the two together, as for everyone a very personal journey.

"COME NOW,YOU RICH, WEEP AND HOWL FOR THE MISERIES THAT ARE COMING UPON YOU. YOUR RICHES HAVE ROTTED AND YOUR GARMENTS ARE MOTH EATEN.YOUR GOLD AND SILVER HAVE CORRODED AND THEIR CORROSION WILL BE EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU AND WILL EAT YOUR FLESH LIKE FIRE. YOU HAVE LAID UP TREASURE IN THE LAST DAYS. BEHOLD, THE WAGES OF THE LABOURERS WHO MOWED YOUR FIELDS, WHICH YOU KEPT BACK BY FRAUD, ARE CRYING OUT AGAINST YOU, AND THE CRIES OF THE HARVESTERS HAVE REACHED THE EARS OF THE LORD OF HOSTS. YOU HAVE LIVED ON THE EARTH IN LUXURY AND IN SELF INDULGENCE. YOU HAVE FATTENED YOUR HEARTS IN A DAY OF SLAUGHTER"
JAMES 5 1:6

"YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MONEY"
MATHEW 6:24

"FOR IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO GO THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE, THAN IT IS FOR A RICH PERSON TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD"
LUKE 18:25

"SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS. GIVE TO THE NEEDY"
Luke 12:33

""AND HE LIFTED HIS EYES ON HIS DISCIPLES AND SAID: "BLESSED ARE YOU WHO ARE POOR, YOURS IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD"
LUKE 6:20

"BLESSED ARE THE MEEK, FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH"
MATHEW 5:5

"NOW THE FULL NUMBER OF THOSE WHO BELIEVED WERE OF ONE HEART AND ONE SOUL, AND NOONE SAID ANYTHING OF THE THINGS THAT BELONGED TO HIM WERE HIS OWN, BUT THEY HAD EVERYTHING IN COMMON. AND WITH GREAT POWER THE APOSTLES WERE GIVING THEIR TESTIMONY TO THE RESURRECTION OF THE LORD JESUS, AND GREAT GRACE WAS UPON THEM ALL. THERE WAS NOT A NEEDY PERSON AMONG THEM, FOR AS MANY AS WERE OWNERS OF LANDS OR HOUSES SOLD THEM AND BROUGHT THE PROCEEDS OF WHAT WAS SOLD AND LAID IT AT THE APOSTLES FEET AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED!"
ACTS 4:32-35

AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED

AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED

AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED

AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED

AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED

I've taken to christian leftism as of late, will never actually convert, but several members of my family have responded to the modern chaos by committing deeper into their faiths whereas before they were just nominal Christians.

Elizabeth Bruenig is a left Christian and runs a reading list that nearly exclusively deals with leftism from a christian starting point. I plan to dive into this shit one day but effort and money lol

medium.com/@ebruenig/reading-list-c0393a56eca2

You can download essential communist works in pdf from our pinned thread

This board is basically dead

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Connolly

Okay

Oh so theres a separate area for this kind of talk, thats interesting ill check that out also.

It's not separate, it's just a new board, with few users. You're welcome to stay here.

I see, well checking it out wouldn't hurt either, but thanks.

Hello fellow Catholic besides reading up about Liberation theology i have this PDF called the Christian Communist Manifesto i have not finish reading it yet but it is good.

the pope says yes

Okay thanks guy, I just switched between taps to see if there where new posts too.

For the record, he turned down this gift. Big up Morales for having the balls to give it to him though.

I wonder what they do with all the gifts. The Pope travels a lot and must get quite a few in every city he passes. They can't sell since it'd be disrespectful, there's no point in displaying it since nobody would be interested in seeing the third dick cleaner the pope was gifted this month, and there's only so much space in the Vatican.

Probably keeps it in his room

Policy in most Western States is to sell the gifts and give the money to public treasure, to avoid potential corruption. Wonder if Francis does the same.

It doesnt work. Theres a Christian maoist party here in Argentina and they are shit.
OP, you spooked as shit

Read José Antonio Rivera

The Catholic church has basically been socdem since the 80s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Justice_for_All
Also there is nothing wrong with religion in the abstract sense. It plays almost no role in politics today in the developed world. The only reason the anarkiddies here are so fervently anti-religion is because they enjoy LARPing.

[spoiler]im jealous tbh

Hey I'm an anarkiddie and I'm okay with religion >:-(

same

OP back came to check on the thread

I don't know what spooked means? You mean I'm black or something?

I do know who he is, I'm Spanish, another reason why I'm Catholic. But why read up on him, he's a fascist.

Lol theres nothing wrong with a little faith, whenever I get stuck on a problem I start to pray the rosary it's a form of meditation for me I guess you could say.

I think and myself were both just saying we envied your ability to do that. I certainly wasn't trying to put you down.

Terry Eagleton - author of "Why Marx Was Right" (a really great defense & introduction of Marx to modern readers) is Catholic so tbh I think its fine - tho Im not catholic lol

I'm going to assume your new, "spooked" is referring to Stirner. Read Ego and His Own.

I understood

Yeah this is first time here, I didn't even know this place existed until a day ago

I'll check it out, thanks

Not specifically about Catholics, but Pannekoek wrote a little bit about socialism and religion.
marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1907/socialism-religion.htm

If we're talking exclusively in theory or what have you, I don't see how leftist/anti-capitalist/socialist thought contradicts Apostolic Christianity. There were even historical examples of figures of Apostolic Christianity supporting revolutionary socialist movements, such as Catholicos Mkrtich I supporting the Armenian Revolutionary Federation back in its heyday.
The only problem is that it is very difficult to turn a blind eye to the repression of churches that occurred in the Soviet Union, the Second Spanish Republic, etc which has made a lasting impression on the church and religious folks in general.

Liberation theology is a good start and is originated in a Catholic context, although personally I felt that it takes a bit too much influence from the "Spirit of Vatican II" when I read through A Theology on Liberation. Some other people that might be worth a read would be Father Haggerty and Dorothy Day

M-Marx, is that you?

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Connolly was an agnostic before he returned to the Faith prior to his execution. He made the right choice in the end tbh.

I went on vacation to Ireland as a child with my (burger) family. We visited the jail in Dublin where he and the others were executed. I remember being told by my parents the story of his execution as an example of how evil the British were. (Irish-Americans are generally anti-British, more so than real Irish people)

I had no idea he was a Marxist until just now.

Hello I'm a shia Muslim leftist, do you people hate me?

Islam is shit tier but Shia > Sunni

Feels bad.

No, so long as your faith is your own and you don't impose it on others, we're cool

OP if you are still checking this thread, there is no inherent reason why you can't be religious and also a leftist. I am a libertarian socialist myself, I personally believe in individual freedom, the right for people to choose such things as religion for themselves. That being said I believe that this works both ways, thus if you are allowed to choose your faith, I am allowed to reject it, and you cannot force it on me. You see where I am going with this?

Thus what makes religion tricky is people tend to become rather zealous about it, they feel compelled to protect their "traditions" and see deviations from them as a corruption of society. They fail to recognize it used to be tradition within Christian society to burn women at stakes for "witchcraft", stone adulterers, all sorts of shit. Religion has no place in law, if it is separate from that then it is totally compatiable with leftism.

Unfortunately in both cases the church was in fact tied to the hip with the state and wielded serious reactionary power in society.
Especially in Spain, not excusing the brutality of it but given the context I can't really blame the Bolsheviks or the CNT.

Shia is the most based firm of Islam and Hezzbollah is his tier

As long as you support Hezbollah your cool in my book

*god tier

I come from a country that has had numerous revolutions. the past century has been dominated by the creation(and betrayal of socialists by catholic capitalists) of a catholic state, and numerous attacks on catholics by a protestant majority in the divided territory(the north of Ireland) i could be interesting to read anything by catholic marxists or IRA and republican viewpoints. It could be interesting as some of the organizations were explicitly anti-sectarian many were pure catholic but all were about protecting the catholic working class and primarily made up of catholics.

Some used tactics that involved bombing civilians as well, in order to further the cause from a much broader tactical viewpoint.

Could be useful to challenge yourself and your morals and politics.

Start by looking at Daniel O Connell, who gained the catholic vote and, while a liberal, ended up tying the nationalist and leftist movements inextricably to catholicism. work your way up to the conflict known as the troubles.

Hezbollah is amazing yes. Honestly I'm surprised there is support for them here considering they are in the end a group that follows shia and not socialist principles.

I'm very happy that you do support them. I'm from India and the a lot of the western leftists I've spoken to online were always very afraid of showing support to anyone who was not expressedly socialist.

youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupA

While socialism and left-wing ideologies were always a bit anti-religion for obvious reasons, i think that kind of view it's part of the past: i live in a catholic country, i was raised in a catholic enviroments and i can tell you that most of the catholics would actually support socialism: the main issue is that they dont know what socialism is, therefor they fall for the bullshit propaganda that "socialism kills christians" or that it's some kind of perverted ideology from the east.
From a social point of view, as long as religious groups keep their spooks (fuck i hate using this word, but you get the point) inside their places of worship and stop shoving their beliefs down their child's throat, religion would be totally fine with socialism today.
Still, the "isolationism" fringe that some of the religions have today should be fought; this is more directed to the muslims rather than the catholics, but..you can't keep your fucking child away from the rest of society because "eh muh religion".

Hezzbollah is a Shia organization but they've shown a willingness to end sectarianism and promote peace in Lebanon. They aren't commies but they do hold solidarity with the PFLP.
Basically they're not insane retards like almost all Sunni militias.

Im the son of a Southern Baptist Preacher.

My dad told me to read the bible everyday.
So I did. And was radicalized. To be a filthy Pinko,

I would get into confrontation with the Deacons and elders at various churches. They dont know the scriptures. Honestly its astounding.

I got so fed up I left the church entirely a year ago. I'm at a loss and I don't now if I have my faith anymore.

I used to find solace in volunteering with the like of The Catholics workers movement and reading liberation theology books so I'd feel less alone. But honestly - its not enough anymore.

But yes. Its possible Dorothy day remains an inspiration to me.

JAMES 2:6
But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?

Christianity is strange. Its holy books shit all over the wealthy yet are often used to reinforce classcuckery all over the world. The Catholic Church is an extremely reactionary institution and has come out against all communist governments everywhere. I'm not saying I would want to kill christians/religious people. However I do find their ideology very non-materialist and would be against allowing them to participate in a revolutionary government after it had been established.

What if a pope just started hoarding things in the Secret Archives? Who decides what's important enough to be down there?