How do we handle the "radical centrism" issue?

How do we handle the "radical centrism" issue?
Holla Forums has been posting about it recently.

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not gonna happen, fish hook theory is real
centrists and nazis are natural allies

It doesn't exist. Their is no "center" to adhere to, It is simply pulling up your ideological anchor and floating with what capital allows you to support at a given time. Those who claim to support the "center" are just looking for something safe to cling to, and then act intellectually and morally superior to us pesky radicals. It's the latest trendy meme to call oneself.


This as well, their all just ways of preserving capitalism.

To illustrate it, since I hadn't heard that term before.

The "both sides of the spectrum make good points" meme is fucking infuriating.

This is almost always the case.
If there were no good points in one of the sides, there wouldn't be a debate.

We get their fucking youtubes, patreons and therefore their money flow taken away from them. They'll promptly stfu at that point because its all about the money for them.

Sargon might be difficult because he's extremely boring, careful and bland. But we could fuck Molyneux up right now. I don't understand how this hasn't happened yet. He has many, many videos where he talks about blatant white supremacy, nationalism and racist pseudoscience bullshit. Just because he uses a grad school vocabulary doesn't separate him from Andrew Anglin. Google would happily ban him if we would only point out his TOS violations in great enough numbers.

Some people think theres a debate over whether the Earth is flat, don't be a retard

Right, and when I am being robbed the thug thinks he is entitled to my stuff.
But he can make compelling points, and a neutral observer may take a few minutes to decide if I deserve my money more than this person who's child is dying or whatever.

Stop being a complete utopian absolutist.
It is okay to admit that conflicting views both make sense, and then choose the one you think is more fitting to the situation and moral/ethical/desirable to yourself.

Almost all of mainstream right wing thought is based on ignorance of the facts or straight up lies, most of what's left is reactionary moralism. The right appeals to the simple mind and the self interested one, that doesn't mean it's equally valid as the left or leftism.

What facts exactly?

This sounds like a laugh.

I'll list ideas that I think are pillars of right-wing ideology, and that I am sympathetic to. You point out if and why they are lies.

1. Natural laws.
Some will insist these are by God or whatever, I consider them to be just behavior and structures that have high Darwinian fitness, as in they are useful and help. One of them is…
2. Hierarchy.
This is a big one for me, I do think hierarchy is a very, very good idea. It works in nature, worked for us in the past, and historically has been shaken or disappeared right before social and economic catastrophes.
3. Competition.
This I am gray about. I wish we could replace that, but I am not sure what with.
Certainly now that most western people live without scarcity and don't have to compete, depression and nihilism moved in, and they are destructive of society and productivity.
Until we can replace this with another engine for human drive, we probably should stick to it. Maybe in a leftist state it can be giving medals to achievers, like Hero of the People and such orders, labeling the best looking homes, top students, etc.
4. Tradition/Religion.
I am not religious, and tradition has a lot of stupid shit in it, but you need something to justify morals and ethics.
You need an absolute truth, an anchor to build the rest of the rules around. There are no good secular ethics yet, so I think we need to carry that crutch for a while longer.

Basically I think hierarchy is a very good idea and should be kept, competition and tradition are crutches that are needed, and we should look to nature (which itself leads to hierarchy, eugenics, etc).

Why? Google has set the precedent that his material is bannable. We could get him off of YouTube which would effectively shut him up.


eat my shit and die you fucking fascist piece of shit. get the fuck off this board.

So, you aren't a socialist because it's in your self-interest ? Please don't be a petit-bourgeois virtue-signaling LARPer.
Some of the alt-right concerns are justified, regarding incels or economic migration for example. Of course, their answers are harmful, but spouting "bash the fash" like an edgy teen on internet forums and refusing to engage with them (when they are arguing in good faith) won't change a thing.

And don't underestimate the intelligence of the right. I love to meme Nick Land, but deep inside I hope the neo-reaction will remain only an obscure nerdy thing.

You need to die too. The right are all obese inbred rednecks with no teeth. STFU or I'll find you and kill you.

Rude and unconvincing.
Besides, I am not a fascist. If anything I am a "globalist", as in I want humans to govern and act as a single body, but realize that this will include the exploitation of its lowest utility members.
Also stuff like nation, patriotism, etc, I said these are crutches, I want them to be replaced but until we figure out the new motivation engine, we shouldn't kill the old.


What is this about?
Oh, and I too agree that while we have socialism-in-one-state type systems, there should be borders. It doesn't make sense for people who don't put money into the public wallet (nor their parents) to take money out of it.
Every amateur politician can tell you, you either have welfare and borders, or no welfare and free movement.

>right-wing thought is literally dominated by RULES OF NATURE

This is fucking stupid.

The left paints itself as scientific by highlighting where it has scientific support (global warming, mostly), but it exists behind a filter that screens out conservative findings (many leftists believe homosexuality is a genetic quality and that eye queue is worthless as a measurement, when both of those statements are trivial to disprove).

Conservatives are right to be concerned with the decline of marriage among the working class and dysgenic trends in health and cognitive function. They're also right to view social isolation as more than merely a failure of the mental health system or alienation from production.

Wew calm down internet tough guy. I hope it's bait, otherwise this is pretty cringe.
Know your enemy. I watched some interviews with identitarians from where I live, and what is concerning is that they look like regular students. Libertarianism attracts STEMlords (i.e. Moldbug). Le Pen attracts middle-class retirees and young people who wish they were baby-boomers. USA != the world.

Eastern European, and I travel a lot. In Europe, or at least where I've been, the "right" is a mix of football hooligan types and STEM young intelligent people.
Basically blood and soil types and scientific rational engineering of society, Autism Level, eugenics, etc.
One is not at all anti-science, as you might expect.

If thats you Holla Forums and you're implying we're like you, we're not.

I do browse Holla Forums sometimes, and the images were taken from there.

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well fuck that. we have nothing to do with them. and will never come together with them to "kill the liberals" or some shit.

We recommend books. We only kill fascists.

And a fascist is anyone who advocates for nuclear families, heteronormativity and anything other than collective worker ownership of the means of production.

How do you manage to be a caricature of yourself?

Unfortunately this is something we have to deal with. As long as they exist and they hold as much sway as they do, they'll keep dragging the overton window right to make milquetoast liberalism the leftmost acceptable ideology.
Also Holla Forums is full of shit, le rational skeptics are basically a gateway drug to their retardation and they constantly repost their memes to their audiences, you would see a lot less traffic on their boards if they didn't exist. What they complain about is that they don't outright say they're fashies and remain crypto, only Holla Forumsyps are too retarded to understand that they need to keep that facade to concern troll and appeal to the normies. Claiming to be left wing is the biggest favor they could do to them.
Anyway, as some user said, we need to go for their patreon, 'cause that's the only thing they care about, take that away and they won't bother doing shit, now that youtube stop paying them as they've realized they're more trouble than they're worth, they're one report away from having to find a real job, so I'd keep my eyes peeled for possible TOS violations.

They won't have much darwinian fitness when i'm through with the bastards.

How else? Let's meme. "Moderation in the fight against oppression is tantamount to collaboration"

Now this is cybernetic efficiency.

save it please. you will need it every time Holla Forums tries to compare us with them as if we're "allies". yuck.

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What, that second image has been around for ages and gets posted here now and then. Try being less new.

this but unironically

couldn't give less of a fuck. what it implies isn't in our favor. Holla Forums is the infamous one. not us. fuck em.

American antifa gangsters are about to change that.

How this kind of mentality is any different from "Muh orcs vs humans"???

radical centrism can mean many different things
and they are all avenues for us to Trojan horse white nationalism bwah ha ha

no. not really so far all of my friends love them and I have a fuck ton of friends. I'll tell you if it goes full retard. I go out of my house often I'm "normie" how /r9k/ dumbasses would say.

Anarchists & Communists will never be disliked except by the far-right. the soft-right doesn't cares much. soft meaning something along the lines of Bernie Sanders fanboys.

Ideology.
Holla Forums is against race mainly. They blame the shit on "kikes" or "niggers".

we rightly so blame the shit on Capitalism and Ideology. Never a race or other spooked bullshit.

Are you one of those "everyone who isn't the most extreme form of left is a right winger" types?

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Bernie Sanders is soft Capitalism. idk if you knew. But now you know.

Reported for what? For not being a bourgeoisie Ancom LARPer on an Ethiopian bagpipe fetishist support forum?

This is how you drive normal people to the right: leave their fucking families alone. They would sooner drop the constitution and string you up than lose their families.

what a dumbass

What is there to misinterpret? The nuclear family is the basic building block to society. Advocating for it makes you a family man, not a fascist. You must've been raised by a single mother.

The greatest gift to the far right is anarchist and communist violence. It was true in Weimar Germany and its true now. I'm not even a far-righter. I'm an advocate for small government, and what's going on with Antifa has got to stop. Everything they do is unsavoury as shit and unbecoming of a civilised country. I really do hope Antifa is designated as a terrorist organisation, because they hurt innocent people in pursuit of whatever aims they have, and that has no place in a country where you can cast a ballot in the box.

what that ancom ansynd user meant by that is that far-rightists usually advocate hard as fuck for sacredness of "nuclear families" and the sacredness of muh "heteronormativity". Which is true. It's easy as hell to detect a Holla Forumstard because of that attitude. Like that inbred retard the Golden One, he advocates that shit.

Thats what Chomsky thinks and he is wrong. He doesn't takes the retardedness of Holla Forums into account because he doesn't knows them. He has no idea how they always, absolutely always fuck themselves over one way or another.
Charlottesville is not the first huge mistake of the far-right & won't be the last, they're absolutely stupid.

There is a difference between these two statements. See if you can spot it.

Vague beliefs are difficult too disprove, but also questionably useful. "Helpful" behaviour and structures has no real definition, both utopian and miserable societies would include practices "helpful" to their own propagation. That is all "fitness" means to biologists.
We'll just forget that human society is a poor analogy to the animals in the wild.

Similarly vague. You haven't named any catastrophes, but I'm thinking you've simply mixed correlation with causation. No idea what you mean about nature, animals are not arranged in a hierarchy, they are parts of vast systems with no ranks, outside of human sentimentalism.

I fail to see how competition or innovation is going to disappear in a communist society.

Morals and ethics are not a right-wing belief.

Varg gtfo stop being so spooked smfh

How is this better? The left wants to destroy the center as much as the right - more so, as the right at least wants to preserve the overall structure only with more racism.

name literally 1 example

pro tip: you cant

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_pyramid
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Because it reflects reality. The left wants a new system, the center doesnt want new change, the right wants the same system with more authoritarianism.

They are ranked according to traits, not how humans feel about them.

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You are silly.

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Energy is circular, not the food PYRAMID.

Fucking wew
Energy is the one thing that isnt circular, lad. The food is, because its recycled through the system. Energy is lost due to entropy into heat energy which cant be used to power life.

Transformed, not lost. Thats the circular movement of energy.

It is lost to life. Energy diffuses to places with less energy, and differences in levels of energy is neccecary to make stuff happen, thus to make life happen.
It is lost to life.

you guys are saying the same thing

Energy isn't specific to life, and exists outside of life. Why are you treating it in that way?

Energy outside of life is useless to me.

Hyena corpses in the Savannah are also useless to you, but that doesn't disprove their existence or relevance to the natural order.

Fascism is violence, only the very foolish decry anti-fascists as "violent".

Hyena corpses in the savannah can be usefull to me if I travel there.
Dissipated energy is not usefull to me no matter what I do.

Warms you at night.

Dissipated energy by definition doesnt warm me because its dissipated.

there are two possibilities here:
1. you're talking on a cosmic scale, where the heat-death of the universe is inevitable as energy is eventually distributed so sparsely that nothing really happens due to the expansion of the universe, in which case you've got far fucking bigger problems to worry about.

2. your head is one giant empty space of dissipated energy.

That is what I am talking about. All energy dissipates. Energy that comes from the sun comes from fusion, which gets turned into light, which is then diffused, caught by plants, eten by cows, eaten by humans, dissipated over time to the atmosphere, then dissipated by the earth again. All energy is dissipated from high energy places to lower energy places, energy that is in a lower energy place than you are is not usefull to you. This continues until heatdeath.
Energy does not circulate, it dissipates.

On that scale, yes. On the scale of the food chain, no.

You're looking at things too much in a black and white manner. Energy both circulates and dissipates. The earth is somewhat of a closed system, with a plethora of life forms that contribute to various cycles of energy production/use. Most basically you have the conversion of oxygen to CO2, then other forms convert CO2 back to oxygen. Similar cycles exist for nitrogen though they are more complex. However, not all of this energy is perfectly cycled, some is lost (think oil buried in the earth) or dissipates back into space, thus life requires a constant source in the form of the sun to replace this energy.
But it's clear enerfy doesn't just dissipate, as its thought some energy cycled on earth during the aftermath of the meteor that fucked up the dinosaurs, as clouds covered the earth.

you do know that on an earth level, the amount of energy lost is utterly trivial, right?
for all practical purposes energy circulates.

frankly i think humanity has bigger problems than the heat death of the universe.

Energy does NOT circulate.
Energy is used up. It is a constant replenishment from the sun and loss to dissipation. The fact that some energy is temporarily stored and pushed around in little bits in chemical energy doesnt mean anything. That energy isnt used for life, it is stored.


They dont produce energy. They take energy from the sun or chemical energy and transform it into another form. And all that energy is lost to dissipation.
Its not a fucking cycle. The energy you use to move around is not cycled anywhere, it is dissipated.
You are litterally retarded. Does the sun not warm the earth even if there are clouds blocking a % of the sunlight? Just because cold blooded giant lizards coulnt cope with a drop in temprature doesnt mean that energy magically circulates.

This is mostly wrong and you should study school level physics.

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Are you former Holla Forums? This is pants on head retarded.

None of these are hierarchies. All extant organisms have spend the same amount of time evolving, taxonomy is just our reconstruction of their relation to each other via last common ancestor.

Food chains are simplifications of food webs, which are simplifications of vastle more complex systems of nutrient and energy cycles. You know that bears don't eat the maggots that will decompose them right?

Not an issue. Frankly, actual "radical centrism" is not that bad and I don't think it's far from "progressivism" (which itself is basically pre-'80s social liberalism from when the Dems at least pretended to care about workers) with a focus on rationality.

Sargon isn't it - he's not even a "liberal" in the "mainstream American left" sort of sense, he's a disingenuous trashbag whose claim to being "center left" or whatever appears to rest on an embrace of Laissez-Faire ideals that he's since paired with outright right-wing apologetics. To those outside of the Holla Forumsosphere, he's a skip away from a pseudo-intellectual Rush Limbaugh.