I assume almost all of us agree that open source is the way to go for software, and that copyright is retarded capitalist anti-productive drivel.
All games would benefit from open source. Bug fixes, longer life on newer platforms, easy modding, greater community. Games like minecraft, while not open source, were very easy to mod, which is part of the reason it was so popular.
However, is there a case to be made that an MMO should be closed source? The whole point of an MMO is to have a massive, multiplayer, online game. By making your game open source, it is very very very easy for your community to split. If you release an update and 10% of the players doesnt like it, they can just split off, start their own servers, and now you have 10% less players and thus 10% less game. An mmo is about the players as much as it is about the game itself. A great mmo without players is a bad mmo. A split would be detrimental to both groups involved. So I would say there is a good reason to keep the software closed source, and not releasing the server code. This will keep your community together even if they might not like all of the new content.
Literally a money-milking machine. We will have better games under communism
Landon Cook
Just because WOW was an addictive game doesnt mean MMO == skinnerbox. There will be good MMO's under communism that dont just drain time with shitty phychological tricks.
Colton Torres
OP is right. Just take a look at what's been accomplished with the Doom engine.
Aiden Wilson
So you agree with the closed source on MMO's? I would say its probably pretty much possible to release the engine for certain games without the code for the games themselves. Such that you have the engine and tools used for WoW, runescape and whatnot. This allows people to do their own thing and contribute to the development of the bigger game by fixing bugs in the engine and tools, creating content and all that.
Josiah Williams
I'll be honest, I didn't read anything past the first sentence.
Regarding everything else I disagree and I would recommend researching Ragnarok Online and see how that fits in your theory.
Adrian Davis
open source h-game
Liam Robinson
Is it open source? Seems to me that fans try to make an open source clone of the game after it died, not that the game was open source from the start.
Dominic Butler
Almost everyone who played Ragnarok Online did it by playing private servers based on a open source engine. The private server community was wildly popular even when WoW was at their peak, and you can still find highly populated servers today.
The MMO genre as a whole would be completely different under socialism, though, as it stands now MMOs basically live on alienated people and/or whales.
Charles Harris
Proprietary software is so much better most of the time though…
Camden Edwards
Thats only because currently non-proprietary software is used and made exclusively by programmers or autists who do it because ideology. Its got nothing to do with the quality, most proprietary stuff is pretty shit and just has a fancy coat of paint.
Andrew Phillips
WoW has tons of splits due private servers where you can play on the patch you like, and it's not an issue. If the community is too small, most people will eventually suck it up and stick with vanilla.
Now how about ideas to make games more the complete waste of time that they are?
Jaxon Peterson
Why would you want to make games even more of a waste of time?
Isaiah Diaz
Aww man, one lacking "than" can sure fuck shit up.
Cameron Cooper
Ah. Well open source could help I guess. The removal of the profit incentive would remove reasons to implement skinnerbox tactics and return to a more pure artistic orientation. A new wave of games could do away with the 90's/00's simplistic repetitive "increase in difficulty/duration" gameplay and invest in more engaging types of play.
Nathan Torres
That not actually true at all. Only someone running wangblows or some other proprietary OS could possibly think this.
Samuel Nguyen
They'll have to build a real community consensus about the game, as you implyed,less people less fun. If anything this will be better since the people that splinter off will be research and development labs that can refine new gameplay that can be folded into the main game later.
Jayden Taylor
Winshit is a crappy example because it's only successful due the monopol but look at the software, MS Office or Adobes stuff is worlds ahead of open sores alternatives and MacOS/iOS make any version of Linux and Android look like it's from the past. Obviously it's not necessary down to the source but simply the money a company invests into a product, but outside of niches, proprietary software does tend to be superior, so the post is correct.
Jose Lewis
I would agree with you if you were talking about Office 2010. But Microsoft has slowly made office more and more terrible since then, staring with that weird ribbon. Now it's cloud based so Microsoft can charge rent, that along makes it inferior to open source software suites.
Brody Anderson
Yea I agree this cloud shit is really making it unusable
Aaron Parker
The ribbon is great (at least for my usage), just needs a while to get used to fully. Wish Libre would copy it, at least as an option. Also the whole cloud shit is optional either way.
How? Just don't use it. It's not like it asks you to log in into the cloud with popups all the time or something.
Aaron Lee
Eh yea no shit sherlock
Ethan Mitchell
Office is complete trash and Adobe is one example that has working alternatives albeit not quite as good. Free software almost across the board trashes proprietary and I don't understand how you can believe otherwise.
Ryan Myers
The rent is not, and cloud won't be either soon.
Tyler Collins
By trying to use it (or being forced it when one employer I had went full open source)
Even when the functionality is equal (or even sometimes a bit better) it gets molested by the horrible interfaces across almost all open source software.
Sure but given it's all optional, it doesn't matter. You can still do the same things as with Office 2010, and if you want, and only if you want, use their cloud meme shit. It's not as cancerous as with Win 10 that begs you to use MS services all the time either.
Charles Long
So Office should be free by now, now the same price as it was 30 years ago doing the same exact thing for 99% of people. I don't think you can freely install office 364 on multiple computers with one license.
Thomas Baker
Is this software accelerationism?
Brandon Brooks
Lol, more like feature creep to justify the price remaining the same since the 80s while it does the exact same thing
Michael Gray
For MMOs, the source should be closed but all development should be done via player made polls Example This is important because the final product will be used exclusively by the players and generally, game design is a passion project so the devs are probably going to be voting as well
Samuel Peterson
That was my general thought process as well. Something along the lines of what oldschool runescape is doing.
Ian Sanders
That's stupid. All software should be free.
Jordan Sanders
Why
Josiah Perez
then how would an independent developper be paid? or would he recieve a stipend from the state for his production in a planned economy?
Kevin Martin
Stop shitting up the board.
Jace Wilson
Donations or kickstarter type funding.
Levi Martin
This in addition to public funding if so desired.
Hunter Bell
not shitting the board, this is a real, serious, honest question if "all software is free", then the small independent producers of software can not make a living on it if they are not in a society where they can not be small and independent anymore, because they rely on state planification this is the main shortcoming of the open source and free concept, and it needs to be solved
from experience, donations or kickstarter only work if the creator proposes something in exchange for the donation, kickstarter campaigns that rely exclusively on the goodwill of the public without giving something exclusive in exchange usually fail miserably, with barely a few % of their needs covered this precludes open-sourceness
Ryder Scott
Basic income and donations.
Nathaniel Walker
Anybody who makes IP which is easily copiable would be able to reap benefits in the form of fan support. Lots of "celebrity" types have Amazon wishlists and let their fans buy them stuff they want/need. Adapting this to communism would not be hard at all. The notion of reciprocity is human nature and people are quite willing to help out others who they feel have added value to their lives through art and whatnot.
John Johnson
Why though, it's a perfect example of developers getting paid by the community. Open source developers get paid for patches in addition to novel apps. I said kickstarter style funding, not using kickstarter.
Caleb Ramirez
Its litterally not a problem. If you establish a communist/socialist economy (read cockshott) people will have much more purchasing power and lower worktimes, which allows them to donate more of their labour to others. You already have people who want to pay more for indie games than the 8 or so bucks they do because they feel its worth more. Creators rely on donations all the time, and its only going to increase if you make it more mainstream and increase purchasing power.
You only need 40 people to all donate one hour of work to support a fulltime developor. Considering that word probably has over a couple of million users, it would only take a tiny bit of support to allow massive development teams.
James White
Open source misses the point. What matters is software that respects all your freedoms.
Office 2007 is when when the fucking ribbon was introduced and it's been intolerable ever since then. LibreOffice is a wholly superior replacement at this point.
Ayden Hill
This. Open-source was propped up by corporations that wanted the benefits free software enjoyed minus actually being free.
Robert Jones
Is keeping the server closed source but the client open source not fine, technically?
Ryder Flores
Why the fuck would you do that?
Owen Howard
It'd be really interesting to have a thing where instead of a normal rating system for a game, you had a graph showing the distribution of donations people made in response to playing it. Obviously people donate more the more they appreciate it, so this would be a sort of rating function.
Robert Ross
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David Bell
Open source is literally Porky saying "hey poormies, come work for me FOR FREE"
Justin Howard
Would be entirely possible. I think transparency of finances is a very good principle for a socialist/communist economy.
James James
Just start a civil war to keep them in the server.
Jayden Ross
When I talk about open source in a communist context it should be fucking obvious it doesnt cost money you autistic faggots.
What?
Nicholas Cook
Community splitting isn't an issue. Most MMO servers don't support more than a few hundred to a couple thousand online at the same time. That's why all these games are split between numerous servers. Some of my best times in online games was a free MMO with less than 100 people on at a time. We shouldn't want games as big as WoW. We should be able to develop communities of our own. Having an opensource game allows other people to improve upon it and make something better. Just look at roguelikes or MUDs as an example of this.
Brandon Ward
Yall are presenting some pretty solid arguments tbh.
Asher Jenkins
God you're a fucking retard. We are talking about FREE AS IN FREEDOM, not free as in free beer. Read my fucking link.
Bentley Bennett
IT IS GRATIS IT IS OPEN SOURCE THERE ISNT ANYTHING MORE COPYRIGHT DOESNT EXIST UNDER COMMUNIST YOU ABSOLUTE MORON, IT ONLY EXISTS TO ENFORCE PROPERTY LAWS AND MAKE MONEY
Jeremiah Parker
You just described exactly why anarchism is a failed meme and centralized State-based force is the only way to work together towards a greater goal.
Eli White
You're fucking stupid. Have you coded shit in your life? Seriously kys.
Ryder Sanders
Fuck, that's really clever. What if instead of updating everyone, you make every update opt-in? That way everyone stays on the servers and they can have fights over which version is better. Obviously it would be a pain to work out the technical aspects, but every well established convention in games started as a poorly formed version.
Elijah Baker
(0) The freedom to run the program as you wish, for whatever purpose.
(1) The freedom to study the program's “source code”, and change it, so the program does your computing as you wish. Programs are written by programmers in a programming language—like English combined with algebra—and that form of the program is the “source code”. Anyone who knows programming, and has the program in source code form, can read the source code, understand its functioning, and change it too. When all you get is the executable form, a series of numbers that are efficient for the computer to run but extremely hard for a human being to understand, understanding and changing the program in that form are forbiddingly hard.
(2) The freedom to make and distribute exact copies when you wish. (It is not an obligation; doing this is your choice. If the program is free, that doesn't mean someone has an obligation to offer you a copy, or that you have an obligation to offer him a copy. Distributing a program to users without freedom mistreats them; however, choosing not to distribute the program—using it privately—does not mistreat anyone.)
(3) The freedom to make and distribute copies of your modified versions, when you wish.
All 3 of these are fullfilled with what i discribe, you turbo-autist
Lincoln Fisher
4 sorry.
Nathaniel Gomez
You said and Where you clearly implied we were talking about its cost and not freedom.
Oliver Wright
If there is no copyright And it is open source Then it is free Both as in freedom and gratis You knobhead
Hudson Young
Many distros of Linux are open source and free, but they're shite for daily use. Why no one make good open source software?
Liam Hill
Just because you are too stupid to use the command line doesn't mean they aren't good software.
Julian Phillips
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Alexander Barnes
Because the intersection between people who are so stupid they need a GUI and the people who care about free software is so small it might as well be a negative number.
Dylan Diaz
You really don't know shit about free software or the logic behind copyleft and other licensing at all.
Dylan Bell
I dont give a shit about your restrictive licensing and I dont support it. Under communism there is no reason to forbid people from using your ordered letters in their closed source program. I oppose restrictive licenses and licenses in general. Copyright is a disease and copyleft is a larpy non-solution that only makes sense within the framework of capitalism.
Juan Ortiz
It's no more LARPy than this shitty thread speculating about MMOs under communism. Your misrepresenting ideas about free software as just simply not costing money was bullshit. I'm just pointing out you don't know shit about it.
Carter Collins
there has never been a good MMO, there will never be a good MMO. it's better you realize that now than later. It's okay, I used to think like you.
Isaac Phillips
No you're being a little bitch who can't handle the fact that he was wrong.
If I say open source in communism, there isn't going to be copyright. Open source + no copright = freedom and gratis. This also means you can't claim ownership of code and restrict it's use by forbidding people of using it in closed source if they wish to do so for whatever reason.
Now stop being a holier than thou idiot who just shouts
Thomas Cooper
sudo apt-get fucked retard
Cameron Torres
Nah, fuck you. You intentionally tried to misrepresent free software. Fuck off and kys.
