Holla Forums why are you destroying monuments? Don't you see this is insane? You're just destroying history for nothing...

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How do you know this guy was "Antifa"? genuinely curious

He had excellent breasts and suspenders.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=iFSW0id36FA

500,000 are homeless in US
30 million lack any healthcare coverage
45 million live below the poverty line
2.5 million in prison, almost half for drug "crimes"

Fix some of this shit and then maybe i'll give a flying fuck about some dumb rocks

riiiight…. but it never mentions antifa or gives any indication he's part of any group. Does "Antifa" just mean any lefty activist that protests or smashes something?

200 years. Sound like it was about time then. And anyway; It has to be +500 to even count as history. Trust me, I have a BA in history, this is basically science.

It's not destroying history at all. It's not like anybody's building time machines are smothering baby Robert E. Lee, (although I would if I could). If you care about history read a history book.

You are like ISIS!

lol

Because it's fun and good. Roving bands of Holla Forums autists will continue smashing monuments until every last toothbrush is collectivized!

you cannot stop the cultural revolution

Are you onlyafro? andres?
stop man. read books. who cares about what other people do, just don't get deported yourself.

Who do you mean by Andres?

Read FAQ clueless stupid halfchan

you can't destroy history you massive faggot

Those things aren't about remembering history. Monuments reflect the ruling ideology's view on history.

you're not him forget it. There is always the big possibility when someone posts a Haruhi picture.

I am asking because in case you mean Andres Kalashnikov, the estonian anarchist antifa leader guy.

"History" is not an excuse.

lol

twitter.com/EL4JC/status/899183423327219712

yeah so much rich history of triggered conservatives sticking it to black people.

I hate you all. It's because of you people the only public works we have are strip malls and adstract corporate statues.

It's the ruling institutions in collaboration with Antifa that are taking down monuments. You're on the same side as the capital establishment.

Buddy I wish. Obama paid me on time and when I got injured during a jade helm shoot I got paid leave and Obama care. Soros is late every month and he makes us do unpaid OT

lol k

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Why don't you just stop destroying monuments or tell the ones that are doing it to stop?

The great barrier reef is a 3000 mile long corpse. There are about a million things more important than dead rocks assembled for dead people.

Will you give us any evidence? Do you think that smashing statues is something that antifa invented in 2017?

That said, this is my take as a foreigner: given that the Southern heritage is used in many States to justify public and institutional racism, and given that Southern heritage is absolutely worthless when compared to any actual worthwhile culture, demolishing it is a legitimate political option for those people who are left out of this system.

Next time try to found your culture of something that is not white supremacy.
At least they left us Art that is worth contemplating. Absolutely no one gives a shit about that statue of Columbus, and everything he represents should appear as disgusting and reprehensible to every thinking person.

Enjoy going extinct, fuck off.

Why? Columbus lived between 1452-1506. Why do you judge someone from that time with the current set of bliefs from yoru society?
You think you're very progressive? You're not, you're just a useless cunt. You aren't better than people from the past. You are not more civilised than them, you're not more intelligent than them. Remember that in 200 years from today, there are going to be other retards saying how much of a retard you are now in 2017.

and theyll be right. people from the past are fucking retarded

Because nobody gives a shit, and frankly some of these monuments should be destroyed. The confederate ones go without saying, they commemorate a people and state that fought against their own countrymen for the right to enslave people, and most of the statues were put up in defiance of civil rights movements anyway. Trump's comparison to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is retarded, because while those people owned slaves they didn't fight a war specifically for the preservation of slavery while half the country was trying to abolish it.

Columbus was an incompetent genocidal retard who didn't accomplish shit. He wasn't even the first European to visit America since the Vikings had arrived in Canada hundreds of years before him. He's just not worth celebrating.

This isn't like ISIS tearing down pre-Islamic artefacts, this is about making a conscious decision about what we as a society deem worth celebrating because that's the purpose of a statue, to commemorate and celebrate something. If you want them to stay up then you have to justify why what they represent ought to be celebrated. History isn't being erased, nobody is rewriting the history books.

The statue is 255 years old, not 500, and it was built in a state based on slavery and white supremacy. The statue was destroyed a few days after a few statues of Robert E. Lee were vandalized? Can you add 2 to 2?

Oh boy, here's the identity politics. You're not able to debate through arguments, aren't you? Those damn progressives, right?
Also, ironically, Columbus was seen as a monster in his lifetime.

I'm a Southerner. My ancestors were Confederate soldiers including my direct paternal grandfather. Those that are taking down Confederate monuments, destroying them or collaborating in any way of the above deserve death.

Unless you want to removal of every monument on earth then you are uniquely targeting Southerners unjustly for persecution. You have no justification for why other people can have monuments but we can't.

Dont put us in the same basket as liberals LARPing as anarchists please.
I love history, and the only fucks that would destroy statues are either those i just cited above or bat shit insane maoists that actually think smashing and removing ancient statutes will somehow "lead" to a "cultural revolution", ay.
Judging some old fart by today's standards it's literally some lifestylism shit and has nothing to do with socialism itself.
History HAS to be preserved, both from a cultural standpoint, and as a civic duty: the neo-nazi cunts would rewrite it and make it autistic otherwise.

im a southerner and i dont give a fuck bitch

Why? Hitler lived between 1889-1945. Why do you judge someone from the current beliefs of yoru society? You think you're very progressive?You're not, you're just a useless cunt. You aren't better than people from the past. You are not more civilised than them, you're not more intelligent than them. Remember that in 200 years from today, there are going to be other retards saying how much of a retard you are now in 2017.

Are you really fucking stupid enough to think that somebody deserves death for a piece of material shaped in someone's likeness?

Except that Hitler gave birth to his party in our same time frame, and that his "ideology" it's still relevant today since there are autistic fucks that are willing to repeat what he did.

White supremacy is still relevant today too, yet I'm not seeing you complain about Robert E. Lee statues.
Also Hitler's party did not rise in our timeframe.

Spoken like a true caveman.

Your direct paternal grandfather is a traitor and shouldn't have been celebrated in the first place lmao

But Hitler grew up in a time where anti-semitism was common and society was much more racist and also 1945 was 77 years therefore you can't judge him for what he did.

Wew you're spooked

Lmao

Your ancestors killed their fellow men to grant to their overlord the right to own slaves? And you're trying to celebrate them.

I bet they were Christian. I wonder how did they felt for the rest of their lives, knowing that they were going to go to Hell.

… since said Colombus destroyed Amerindian monuments (and Amerindians with it).

My grandma still remembers the germans invading, but hey, i guess that isn't part of our timeframe.
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T
In the Weimar Republic anti-semitic and generally "völkisch" groups were a HUGE minority; anti-semitism slowly turned into a radical ideal from 1921 up to 1930, where the various anti-semite "leagues" started targeting jewish cemeteries and turned to physical violence toward jewish prominent figures in 1930, culminating in terrorist-like attacks during 1932, where anti-semitism literally became a political voice.
Hitler "didn't grew up" in anti-semitism; he took part in it, meaning that he had a choice to pick between "bullshit völkisch pseudotheories" and actual politics.
Im not from burgerland so i'll avoid commenting on that, but holy fuck, there's something called "museums" where you can put your shit in; you dont have to smash it.

Nah you have to smash it who gives a fuck they're awful statues built specifically for racism who gives a FUCK

Not him but
Don't expect this kind of complacency from "proud" Southerners.

You do if what that statue represents is used to justify institutional racism. This kind of heritage is used costantly as an excuse, in bad faith, to parade racist symbols while also applying said racism to society itself, while pretending that these 2 things are not related at all.
I genuinely don't see why non-white people (to take the demographic that is more directly touched by these phenomens) who are oppressed openly by their government (should I mention that Trump has decided yesterday to pardon Joe Arpaio of all of his crimes?) should not directly attack the cultural foundations of their oppressors. This implies destroying statues of white supremacists who devoted their life to the white supremacist cause and who are still celebrated as a positive historical figure to this day.

Romans had slaves too which built a lot of monuments, especially in Rome: does that mean that i'll have to blow up my city because the Romans lived in a timeframe where "human rights" weren't even a thing and slavery was considered a good thing?
The Vatican was built with the purpose of literally being an HQ for catholic power, and the same rooms you walk in during your visit are the same that hosted people who condemned poor souls to death because of faith crimes; does that mean i'll have to blow the whole thing up too?
It doesn't mean make sense: history is dialectical and you can't pretend that those things you consider "bad" never existed.

Monuments only deserve to stand if they represent something worth remembering.

Roman monuments aren't built specifically to honor rebels attempting to establish a state based on race based slavery and supremacy at a time when everyone should have known better.

I don't care whatever dumb retort you have, you're still wrong.

If considering history as a dialectical process is a "dumb retort", then i dont think you're meant to post here.

Communism is an inherently destructive ideology.
Family, property, religion, history, class. It's modus operandi is to extend the alienation experienced by the few to everybody else. By the logic that if everyone is poor/corrupt/fucked, no one is, since we all share the results equally. Except of course, the Party members. Someone has to be running the whole thing.

You'll come to see the perfection of the Party once nothing else exists, or has (as far as you know) ever existed.

We already had a thread about this, its a contested issue

Capitalism is an inherently destructive ideology.

Family, property, religion, history, class. It's modus operandi is to extend the alienation experienced by the few to everybody else. By the logic that if everyone is poor/corrupt/fucked, no one is, since we all share the results equally. Except of course, the Bourgeosie members. Someone has to be running the whole thing.

You'll come to see the perfection of the Bourgeosie once nothing else exists, or has (as far as you know) ever existed.

Also >Using Orwell, an Anarchist sympathiser
Also not all communists endorse this you fag

Nazism is an inherently destructive ideology.
When half of your workers are starving in death camps and the others are dying for a non-sense war, leaving you with no one that will take scrap metal and use it to produce weapons, you'll declare French statues "democratic fun" and you'll order your citiziens to destroy them in order to produce more weapons to sign your death sentence as you fight mindlessy against the whole globe.

sympathizer? dude fought in catalonia

Orwell was a socialist that fought with the POUM in Spain. In addition, 1984 was a fiction book, not a historical account of the USSR. It should be obvious, and it's odd that people have to be told.

Statues aren't about history. They're about admiration and respect for the thing being immortalized in the statue.

Communism isn't about everyone being "equal", it's about worker control of the means of production, democratic management of the economy and abolition of commodity production.

Look, a monument is destroyed

Is it destroying history? Rewriting it? Obscurantism? No, it's fighting the veneration of things that don't deserve veneration.

uhh dude Orwell was a socialist to the core. Read his books.

To the Orwell fanboys: later in his life he gathered informations on virtually every leftist he knew, and gave it all away to the UK government.
He was a moderate socdem at best, and was willing to cooperate with imperialist institutions.

I know, it's sad.

read his books

Family, property, religion, history, class ;)
Minimum trolling.

You should read about what collectivization means. And how farms and peasants, each owning his own 'means of production', were destroyed by the soviets and replaced by bureaucratic clustersfuck.

>democratic management of the economy and abolition of commodity production.
There was one kind of economy under communism: planned. Actually, two kinds: planned and underground.

Communists remove means of production from actual, real people and appropriate them to an abstract entity named 'The collective' . In truth, the same small number of people make all the decisions. You could say they use 'the proletariat' the same way priests use 'God'. Its will be done.

oh fuck off you uneducated, irrational polyp

americand are such a fucking joke

Now, now, didn't your momma taught you it's not nice to stereotype people?

If you're not from pol then i'm even more concerned how the hell did you come up with this nonsense by yourself

Especially this death camps manipulation which looks just like from pol

That's what's called an ad-hominem, my friend.
Or, as a wise-man once said, not an argument.

Give conflicting information and they start swearing at you. That hardly puts you in a position do declare someone 'uneducated'.

npr.org/sections/money/2012/01/20/145360447/the-secret-document-that-transformed-china

Fuck your monuments bitch

Give false information. You seriously have no idea how obnoxious you polyps coming here en masse are with your complete ignorance, you look like middle schoolers teasing everybody with your shit and then talking about fucking rules of healthydiscussion you've read about on wikipedia and Holla Forums's pinned image

read faq

Turd Reich = Weimar Germany with gold/silver standard, racialism and war. Even Plebbitors can rape you here.

Fair enough. My reply was meant for OP, anyway. Don't know why I keep getting caught up in this shit.

It's because of how many people on this board are Holla Forumsacks that just want to "trigger" people so it becomes real easy to accidentally assume that someone is trying to stir shit up even if a comment they make only has a slight resemblance to something a Holla Forumsack would write.

LOL, implying anyone here is doing anything other than being NEET and sitting in their armchair shitposting about news.

I dont give a fuck if anarchist or antifa knocks down a few statues tho, doesn't effect my life.

Oh no! You're right OP, how could I be so blind?! I'll call Soros right away to shut down antifa.

I wish I had the balls to rip some shit apart tbh. But user's correct.

when you're so depressed that you turn into a deluded liberal that larps as a crypto-maoist

object fetishization is not useful

Meanwhile, IRL : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_bombing_of_Rotterdam

True

But really there are so many problems plaguing America at the moment people throwing a bitch fit about statues being destroyed is just hilarious to me.

I mean why not let some chaos happen, who cares. The statues were dedicated to pieces of shit anyways. If we're going to have lead in the water why not just destroy statues, you know?

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destroy them too tbh. Install directX while you're at it.

yeah I remember when Wolf Blitzer told me to knock down the Columbus statue and kill whitey.

it's the only time in my life that i feel like i have to bully someone
this is how fucking irritating you are and your stupid posts
hehe le socialism = i smash le shit xd
maybe because you're supposed to represent an ideology which could potentially bring humanity to the next stage, and a bunch of teenagers smashing statues don't fit the description at all, because you're basically neglecting history here.
i dont know what's so hard about this: are you people so fucking depressed in the US that you feel the need to destroy the only pieces of art you have?
those statues aren't only dedicated to pieces of shit, but they are shit themselves: they fucking sucks like everything that's been passed as "art" in the US, because you can't build anything that's pleasing to the eyes without stealing shit from all over the world.
still, they have something called "historical evidence", it's a sign that those fuckers once were there; A PHYSICAL SIGN, not just some scribbled shit on a page, but something you can touch, and that's why they belong in the god damn museum.

if we destroy all the 200 year old monuments, 300 years from now there won't be any 500 year old monuments

No matter how many monuments they destroy,
at the end of the day they will still just be Niggers
and ugly jew rats!! So the whites always win!!! miau

Sad!

That's ok, we all feel that sometimes.

Didn't say that.

It's a consequence, not an action.

These barely represent art. There are pieces of history that I do not want destroyed, plenty of Spanish Architecture that should be kept in tact for historical purposes.

But the worship of figures that committed outright genocide and war crimes, I could really give less of a shit if someone smashes it, simply because we have bigger problems on our hands than worrying about it.

Now you're just rambling. I'm glad we had this talk.

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Sieg heil!! It is stupid to behave like ISIS, just accept that we will never be communists.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FAG

Read Novatore.

Sorry Cleetus, your icons you worship mean nothing to me. In fact, I propose we melt down the sourthern hick hillbilly tragedy disgrace that is to all things "art", and replace it, with a giant 50m tall hammer and sickle symbol, plop that fucker RIGHT SET in the center of Alabama, Comrade Cleetus. How does THAT sound?

Sounds pretty great tbh

Confederate statues erected to intimidate blacks returning from WWII are hardly historic.

Can you tell me a single good thing that Columbus actually did? Why are you defending him?

There is literally nothing historically significant about a monument, there's a Christopher Columbus statue in the next town over. He has absolutely no historical ties to the area. It's just there to "honor" him. This is not historically significant. This is just the perpetuation of ideology. A monument built over the grave of Robert E Lee could be considered "historically significant" (though that's a stretch), but one smack in the middle of some random ass southern city is not.

Communists don't drive cars into crowds of people. The autright does. Which is more like ISIS?

Your direct paternal grandfather was used as a pawn in a power play between ruling classes.

Do dark-skinned people who live there not count as Southerners?