Is Gulag Archipelago fictional or not?

Solzhenitsyn's first wife admitted it's based on "camp folklore", but that's just one person. What else is out there to suggest that Solzhenitsyn made his shit up?

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Well if the gulags were so great where are the books that praised them?

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It's a literary work that isn't regarded as a reliable historical source. The most obvious sign that Solzhenitsyn wasn't working off factual data are his estimates for camp populations which he puts at about 50 million people in total going through the gulag when in reality it was 15 million. Whether or not his anecdotes are true, fabricated, or exaggerated is up to the reader to decide.

Wouldn't 50 million be like half of the population of Russia at the time?

I think it's like a 1/4 or a 1/3 tbh.

Yes, a book based on ancedotes written by a nazi collaborator is fiction. This does not mean that gulags did not exist or were not bad, just that truth doesn't fit muh gorgillions lunacy.

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at the peak of the program there were 2 million people in the gulags.

Actually it was 40,000. This shit is hilariously overblown.

Yeah. I was talking about how many people in total went through the gulag from the 30's through the 50's.

Post proofs pls.

Even his own wife claimed that the Gulag Archipelago was little more than "camp fire tales".

Source: The Gulag Board

It's made up, but not as much as "200 years together".

Read Zemskov

Solzhenitsyn deserved it and got off lightly, tbqh.

It's not fictional ; your USSR was a failure, especially under Stalin's rule.
To deny it, just like to deny that the Holomodor was intentionally made worse to root out potential nationalist, puts you almost on the same level as Holocaust deniers.

Long answer: yes.

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The difference between Holocaust denial and Holomodor "denial" is that the Holocaust happened as it's portrayed in accounts like "The Destruction of European Jewry," while the Holodomor is a concept pushed by Ukranian nationalists integrated into the CIA postwar to slime the USSR.

You say it's on the "same level" as a Nazi, but it's very simply that one account is factual and the other isn't. Holocaust deniers are liars. Those who tell the real story of the 1932-33 famine are not.

Except the Holocaust has tons of documentation behind it.

There's no documentation behind Solzhenitsyn's claims outside of his own word, and even his own wife said he was just making it up.

Both have sources with the same credibility. Both are contradicted by people because it endangers their narrative.

Both contradictions have the exact same kind of arguments, like the spooky Zionists/Ukrainians nationalists using it for reparations.

But so does the Holodomor.
Moshe Lewin is a Jewish Polish red Army officier who acquired Franco-American nationality and wrote a book about the USSR especially to depoliticise it.

He still asserts the famine was made worse because NKVD ordered to took the grain from the farmers - suspected to be Kulaks or nationalists.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Lewin

Its definitely fictional. Hell, Solzhenitsyn once claimed in Spain that the soviets had killed 110 million russians. The guy is a joke.

Just because the gulags were terrible and the USSR was a murderous dictatorship doesn't mean that every victim (especially Solzhenshitsyn) deserves sympathy or that every critic (especially Robert Imperalism) deserves respect

I don't care what Lewin said, my objection is not based on who believes the arguments now.

The facts are simple; the famine wasn't localized in Ukraine, so it wasn't a Ukrainian famine, so it wasn't a genocide. No one denies that grain was taken. Where there's disagreement on is why. The reason that I believe is that it was to feed the cities. You should know that Ukraine received more famine relief than any other SSR during the famine.

It was a terrible situation caused by complicated factors, and terrible decisions had to be made; there were undoubtedly innocent people who died who should not have; what it wasn't is a genocide.

Also, the labor camps and secret police in socialist states are no better nor worse than in any major capitalist regime. Actually, the US now has more prisoners than the USSR did, and Amerikkka spies on more people than the DDR would ever think about

But always remember goy-I mean guys, 1.6 billion Jewish children were turned into wienerschnitzel and sauerkraut during the hollycost! Oy vey!!!

Actually it was 1.2 million Jewish children, and about 1.5 million children in total. You can mock murdered children all you want.

See the section on Solzhenitsyn here:
northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm

Dude was a talented writer and a fabulist who hoped his lies would help overthrow the USSR and restore Tsarist Russia. End story.

Actually there only ever a few dozen people in gulag at any given time.

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actually, the gulags were built specifically for solszhenitsyn

all you can do is post this lame shit. To truly troll is to make people unsure if you are serious or not, to mislead and provoke. You can only do that if you understand our ideologies, and if you did youd be converted pretty soon after.