What if your ideology was pure fiction but you were incapable of understanding economics...

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I'll read an essay instead. How about Malthus' On the Principle of Population. Ever heard of it?

Who the fuck reads essays except for the college professors who have to grade them?

People who understand that economics is inseperable from human nature. It is merely the branch of psychology concerned with goods and services.

Have you heard about the surplus army of labor?

You mean that thing that starves to death during a deficit of resources?

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Nice "science" you got there, Merlin.

Read Capital, hell read even Henry George who dismisses him. Capitalism creates the scarcity as well as the surplus army of labor.

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People respond to incentives; human nature is a meme.

More to the point human nature is eating, drinking, pissing, shitting, breathing, and fucking. The rightards just like to conflate their own bullshit ideology with those essential activities.

Tell me about the wonders of communism, comrade

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Where's the Hitler one? Oh right, Hitler was homeless, a war veteran, a factory worker, a street artist and a community organizer.
And you wonder why we laugh at you for worshiping a bourgeois jew.

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nintil.com/2016/05/11/the-soviet-union-food/
There's your breadlines shit, tldr at the bottom.

He was also almost certifiably insane

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Has Holla Forums always been a parody of it's self?

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make the commie book thicker.

You are the insane one living in insane world. But worry not, we will cure you.

Bourgeois means living by exploiting the working class. Which is exactly what Marx did, living at the expense of the factory workers of his another rich Jew friend Engels, who by the way is another big communist "thinker", but had no problems with treating his factory workers as literal cattle.

Yeah, bloat it with inaccuracies.

Havent you heard, the proles are literal cattle who need to be shepherded around by the Party, aka these fine gentlement who all fancy themselves a cozy desk job away from the poverty-stricken working class.

Wtf i love fascism now!

I know you people hate facts, but at least have some dignity.

Try to actually learn our beliefs or at least the basics before commenting on them, thanks.

And if this where 100% true what would that change? Nothing. The validity of arguments stand regardless of who makes them.

Nazis are obsessed with feelings and optics rather than reason and solid argumentation. You care more about being pandered to by figures like Hitler than actually wanting to change things for the better.

Not siding against fellow workers because of skin pigments is pretty dignified if you ask me

Bud, be honest here, you didn't come to debate - so don't paint this as though you've been denied a just and equal conversation on politics in a social forum. You came here to bait, most probably, and armed with your in-exhaustive list of preconceptions and ideological particularities, you were most likely just here to try to piss people off

Holla Forumstards' entire arguments whenever they come here are always based on their having no idea what people here actually think. The good thing about that is that fuckwitted rightards are so busy pounding their absurd strawmen that they will never see us coming.

By this measure, every proletarian is also bourgeois. You're misusing the term "exploitation".
And was Engels a Jew, or at least, have Jewish ancestry, if it were even relevant?

Engels didn't own the factory, and Communism is not a moral philosophy, it is the theory of what is within the best interests of the working class to do given the material conditions of capitalist society.

this but unironically applies to me

Nice spook, spook

I am sorry about that OP

Finally you call it for what it is - beliefs. Because it has nothing to do with actual politics or even your own literature.

I actually have red Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin. And according to what every single one of them writes you should be killing Muslims in the streets (Religion is the opium for the masses) and suppressing black racial identity (racial chauvinism).
Not to mention everything you believe in was debunked by Lenin himself in his "Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder".

If the one who makes the arguments, does the exact opposite, it makes the arguments themselves questionable.
You wouldn't trust your kids to a pedophile, would you? Then why would you trust your worker class to a capitalist Jew?

that'd be great actually

Dipshit

Meaning that the amount of work you do corresponds 0% to the amount of reward you gain, disincentivizing people to actually give a shit. I thought you commies knew all about human beings and how the only respond to incentives

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NS is universalist ideology and the only ideology that fought against the colonization of Africa and Middle East.
Immigrants aren't workers, they are opportunists and traitors to their fellow nationals. Immigrants deserve the rope, while honest workers in their own countries deserve our partnership and cooperation. Except Israel of course.

You came here after the catgirl thing? I am surprised that it actually attracted people. Usually we just get our newfags from the Holla Forumsyps who come here to troll and accidentally discover how the world works. At least, that is what I always assumed.

Hey welcome to leftypol, where we fight with over socialists over this exact same thing.
Although we don't necessarily believe in killing religious people, we sure as fuck think that focusing on it is a massive distraction and we discourage it. Same with any sort of identity politics

as opposed to your life being ruined, horsefucker?

Academic Agent, is that you?

You will have to work to eat in the lower stages of communism; the difference being you will be able to have a real job instead of being fucked in the ass by a rent-seeking jew.

What we ultimately want is superabundance so you're free to pursue meaningful work instead of wage cucking.

Wrong. The facts don't care about your feelings, snowflake.

The incentive to eliminate the necessity for labor, so you can do as you please.

Fate/Stay mad

Counterpoint: It doesn't. What makes them questionable is that they are arguments and all arguments should be questioned.

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I'm not sure about that. Reds behave exactly like Islamist or any other religious cult.

Both the capitalist society and the working class have so completely changed in the last 150 years it doesn't make any sense.
Not that it did make any sense from the start, because it goes against the very human nature. Communist philosophy implies, that workers are perfect being, devoid of self-interest, egoism and greed. It's not how it works, m8. Every human will do the least amount of work required and try to obtain the most amount of goods allowed. That's pretty much why USSR died. It worked while Stalin was keeping everyone in check and shooting people for stealing an extra bag of grain, but once the moderates took over the system was doomed to fail.

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leftypol is gay

protip: you can't.

This is what I'm not getting, what prerogative is owed by any one individual to "their fellow nationals" such that they can't seek gainful employment. There isn't a material reason why they shouldn't be allowed to, only an ideological one.

You do not know how good life can be.

lol

First off, the full quote is "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people" meaning religion isn't the direct problem but merly the product of an oppressed people. Also, either you didn't read, or you've hilariously misread Marx and Lenin in every possible way. Btw, Lenin was writing about leftcoms (or what would become them) in that book.

This is almost depressing

This is actually a good point you make on the "perfect" worker that is stressed heavily in academic leftism - not towards the end that workers are not inclined towards socialist project - simply that there exists no grand ideological structure that should necessarily confine or dictate action universally. It's rather the beginning of the argument that communism is simply the necessary material endpoint of capitalism

As opposed to cuddling with "fellow" capitalists just because they are white? Hows that a different option?

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People here are extremely crude about tying all social tensions back to economic factors and explaining how a socialist revolution will solve them.

Also, the ML belief that the state will wither away is retarded, every anarchist I've seen dodges implementation questions after three posts, and Stirner is the most annoying meme I've ever seen- normally unfunny memes are phased out but literal retards continue to use him in arguments so I'll see his face for the rest of my life.

I actually do. And there is a huge difference between bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie. But you wouldn't know I guess.

I'm forgetting I'm on leftypol and have to make everything really simple. You see, when your house starts crumbling, you get together with your family and start repairing it. That's a right thing to do. The wrong thing to do is to give your family a middle finger and squat in the neighbor's house.
Stalin described it pretty well in you commie newspeak. You should read about the reasons about Korenizatsiya

Depends on who am I quoting. Lenin said it as "Religion is the opium for the people and must be removed from the lives of the workers". You are quoting Engels.

I have a feeling AA read maybe the first 10 pages of capital but misunderstood them badly. He mentions so things that marx actually did say in the start of the debate.

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Holy shit this has to be bait, you've actualy never read Marx. Especially about the self-interest part.

First, NS isn't capitalist and second it would actually be a better option, since your fellow blood can understand your grievances, while the Jew sees you as an animal and doesn't give a fuck.

you have clearly displayed your knowledge in this thread

I want to be surprised by your unenlightenment but we're on Holla Forums so I cannot

I have read him and it's complete bullshit. He isn't an expert on human psychology and it shows. And by the looks of it he didn't even read Aristotle, because Aristotle debunked his arguments way before he even started making them.

It was self-defense. If you want to see what it looks like when we actually do things on purpose, google Anders Breivik.

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Hardly, no one here shares your assumptions on what is "necessary" or "right" - your ideological cordons on the 'nation' are not welcomed here, so what you might be reading as ignorance or hostility is merely that you step outside of your typical mindset to argue (not into ours, that'd be too much to expect). Our nation isn't a house, global context and culture is not a family, and the international crises, partially catalyzed by the disastrous economic interventionism and global capitalist structure in both the middle east and Africa, cannot be made into going next door and staying at your neighbors. Also > Korenizatsiya , you'll hardly find anyone here willing to defend Stalin's unifying "Great Russian" chauvinism

as it turns out, that doesn't mean that only those who work get to eat; such a philosophy would be incongruent with the idea of increased labour saving automation in a communist society

you're looking for "he who doesn't work, neither shall he eat" which isn't a Communist saying

as it turns out, there are many incentives to work, and those which would not be present under communist society would be replaced quickly by others; people like to do things.

ah nah man I missed the catgirl thing, I was here since before but the catgirl thing really reduced my desire to spend more time on leddit

lmao he also couldn't recall the meanings of S, V, C

Please tell me this is a joke
The opium quote does not relate at all to a statement on religion, it makes a statement on how religion is used to escape from the toll capitalism takes on people, in the same way that opium was used in medical institutions to treat peoples' pain, not in the drug addict sense.

wut

cool, beacuse I am

I wish we were that motivated

in what way?

this is actually false; there's nothing that implies this, the most obvious example is Stirner's "socialist" (if I may use the term loosely) society
many people do things for other people actually out of self-interest, because it feels good to do it.

this is false, even in capitalist society which incentivises this behaviour

most people actually do this, if their house is not in livable condition they move to neighbors and relatives temporarily. It's entirely the correct response m8

I don't even know where this is coming from.. if your house is crumbling, of course you want to repair it, because you live there, it has significance to you, and you don't want to move elsewhere at that moment in time, and you probably have local connections etc.

hnng

There's a book by Erich Fromm (from the spooky Frankfurt School) called "Escape from Freedom", and it's written from a social psychological perspective as an analysis of capitalism; I've just started reading it, it looks really good.

read "Repressive Tolerance" by Marcuse as to why such an action is, unlike Left violence, inexcusable

Wrong.
Wrong. you're certainly making no effort
pic. not that you'll read it

Imagine honestly thinking that the cost of production had nothing to do with sale price.

I'm actually an ancap but I do apprecieate my fashy friend helping me out in this thread. I find I get along much better with NutSacs than I do children

Population growth is declining and will peak in the future. The sooner we fix the shitty conditions in the third world, the lower the peak will be.

Imaging not taking subjective value into account after sales price

At least he went to the effort of glossing through wikipedia articles. That is the Holla Forumstard equivalent of reading all of Capital and An Inquery Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.

You have to fuck the horse pussy, user.

Class collaboration is definitely capitalist

Ahahahahaha thats not how it works at all. You think "fellow" capitalists will start giving a shit about us once all niggers are expelled? Ahahaha

It shows, believe me
no surprise there

So a sociopath who hunted down unarmed socdem kids and old ladies it's a perfect example of your NutSac superior morals?
kekkissimo

It actually is. It's the same exact thing, just on the bigger scale. It was built by your ancestors to keep you safe and protect you from the storms of the world. It was protected from the intruders, renovated and maintained by your fathers and mothers, you you could one day have your own children and pass the house to them.
What the modern left is doing is smashing the windows, inviting in the hobos and drug dealers, who roll blunts from the portraits of your grandpa and loot the silverware.

Call it what it is - Jews looted Africa and ruined the Middle East with wars for Israel.

Ironically, Stalinism is the only thing that actually worked on practice.

also
just a reminder

The entire point of SVT is that it explains prices. How does that even work?

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you emotional pleas mean little to us

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Yep. He beheaded the future leftie leadrship for decades to come. Now they have huge organizational problems. I think it's a real sound strategy, when we get into power he should get a medal.

But anti-capitalism is racist, m8. Didn't you know that the majority of banking and corporate elite are Jews, who belong to the underprivileged and historically oppressed groups? And it's not their fault either, the evil white Christians banned them from most professions, so they had to seek comfort in trade and finance. So if you fight against capitalism you're a literal antisemitic nazi. :^) What do you say to that?

The concept of human nature is very much alive in this sentence, and even in a fairly rich sense if you investigate what "incentives" consist of.

This kind of scoffing is childish.

FTFY

It's called "allegory". Look it up in a dictionary, you might learn something new.

The producer sets a price for an item based on how much he thinks the time he put into it is worth on top of the raw material cost. The consumer has a maximum price he is willing to pay for it based on how much he likes an item. If the consumers price exceeds the producers, the item is exchanged. Duh

The fact you cant differentiate between how various parts of society work and the fact that not every part of it is benevolent is perhaps the saddest thing in this thread.

FTFY

Natural selection is taking place; that's why people are fucking so much. You change the material conditions, you fix the problem.

I would expect someone with your I*Q to have missed the point. But it still disappoints me you did this hard.

Go on.

FTFY

Now, through the magic of increasing technology, someone else is capable of producing it in less time, or using less raw material input, or doing it with fewer workers or just does some union busting to drop wages and can sell it for less. Since it's a similar product, their margin of profit can remain the same and the price drops because the consumer has little reason to pay extra if the products are similar.

It's almost like "subjective value" had jack shit to do with anything.

There are no parts to society. The Jewish trick is to construct unnecessary complicated systems with many parts, so they may never come together.

But you are fighting the ebil joos too. You just call them "capitalists", "elite" etc. In reality the vast majority of people you fight against are Jews.

Get real, all those germans - Everybody who died in that giant unnecessary clusterfuck of a war - died so that Hitler could sate delusions of grandeur and empire, all the while sustained by a massive corporate bureaucracy. Interestingly enough, even when the jews were gone, all the evils attributed to them were then perpetrated by the Nazis themselves. So much for the righteous indignation of the party which stood for its race, they were, in the end, more than willing to sacrifice them

We want all capitalists dead regardless of ethnic origin. You want to keep being fucked by some because they have the same skin color as you and btw, that feeling is extremely convenient for them.
That still makes you a classcuck. "NS isnt capitalist" my ass

They are also right. Social issues are invariably upended when the mode of production is significantly changed in a short period of time.

They have an absurd notion of the dictatorship of the proletariat in which the proletariat hardly has any power at all.

Just keep saying "three years and die" to them until they get angry enough to actually develop a military theory.

The spooks meme works well on those rare occasions when people actually use the term right.

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Why is your particular parameter paramount then? Given that culture and societal value is imposed and not essential or natural in any form, why would anyone organize under such an immaterial force as race and nation?

Very good.

Hitler never had any desire for grandeur. He was just trying to save the Germans, who have been persecuted in Danzig. He actually proposed 3 different plans for the Danzig corridor and German resettlement, to no avail, before he was forced to attack.
Then the French and the Brits declared war and invaded Germany. "Hitler did nothing wrong" is not a meme. He literally did nothing wrong.

You could make lot of green arrows if you weren't tired. There is a lot of constancy to what humans have historically considered incentives.

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_for_Cultural_Freedom
Your such a stupid fucking nigger

It's almost as if human nature, while appearing static, is actually quite malleable as to what motivates people - some of whom are not even motivated by positive change but rather by death drive

Fuck off and pull a Brevik, faggot.

lmfao. After Nazis won the elections in Danzig they went on to ban all the other political parties and started arresting their members. Sure sounds like a city where the Poles could totally persecute those poor Germans.

Sure, the price of the item drops but the value, the amount a consumer is willing to pay remains unchanged as that is based entirely on how much he likes X product

There is only the Volk. There is literally nothing else, only the complete unity of the people. Rich or poor, everyone must remember, that there is someone poorer than them and everyone is obliged to help. This is why National-Socialism isn't redistribution of wealth, like Hitler said "German people - help yourself".

Well, use-value did. I couldn't help myself.

imagine being this high on idealism

Because the money is just a medium of power. Under a communist system they can build a completely Jewish power structure, without any medium, which they did in 1917 in Russia and in 1918 in Germany. It's not some conspiracy theory, the leaderships of KPD and the Bolsheviks were up to 80% Jewish.

Oh christ, the Germans military ambitions had been challenged at the border by the UK and France which refused to accept any more German violations of sovereignty - The Germans faked an attack on a radio station and proceeded to invade Poland, and went on to invade any number of other countries - so Danzig hardly excuses the other invasions, not that it excuses the invasion of Poland even

The difference is, that NS idealism actually turns a broke war-torn countries into superpowers in less than 10 years. It just werks.

You can almost hear them begging, "Save me, Daddy!"

literally the worst thread

By looting conquered territories and taking loans from evul British and Jooish bankers. Those smoke and mirrors would fall apart by themselves if ww2 hadnt happened, not that it wasnt necessary anyway.

Hitler was high af on idealism. Read Ernst Junger he criticizes the shit outta him. He actually met him irl.

I bet you, I BET you, that this fucker believes the stabbed-in-the-back myth. Stop lying through your fucking teeth, even if your statistics were correct - your polemics fall short , in that your caricature, your spook, only exists as you see him because you accept it as the bridge for the material gaps and major inconsistencies of your ideology.

You are talking out of your ass. Just go on Wikipedia and look it up - it all in the official history books. There were 3 Danzig proposals to Poland, which Poland refused and continued to blockade Germans in Danzig.
France and Britain declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Poland, but they were defeated in Pfalz, after which Hitler steamrolled them back.

Not even mentioning that Germany was inhumanely treated after WW1, by having half of it's territories taken away and being forced to pay tribute, while Germans were dying in the streets due to starvation. The war, by the way, Germany didn't even start.

Such a superpower that Germany defaulted in 1939 and goods were being rationed before the outbreak of the war.

No, not really. Labor does not the faith. Besides the Third Reich was the worst Reich which is why they got raped by Russia.
Been there too I used to be a Holla Forumstard Nazi until I started reading books.

Hmmm, massive material imports from the evil communists of the soviet union

Read a book.

You mean that they defaulted on their loans and ran a war economy until the country got bombed to oblivion. Speaking of ten-year superpowers…

You are
Well actually it's what Holla Forums teached you not what you learned by yourself. So yes, you're a drone.

Never happened. Germany didn't have any debt, because it had sovereign labor-based currency and was completely cut off from the international finance.
If you mean, that Germany refused to pay reparations for the war it didn't start, that's another thing.

Another lie.

It's almost as if people are complex and find historically flexible modes of expression.

To say people have a death drive is to speak the language of human nature.

People like to build and create and be artistic. Food enables them to do that. They dont like to work on farms and if you take away a basic incentive like more work = more food, then there are zero incentives for someone to do menial labor like that.

What does this hypothetical maximum have to do with a real material market though? I might be willing to buy McD's burgers for a dollar more than what they're sold at, but the price on the menu says $1.99.

They didn't default on their loans. They defaulted on their WW1 reparations. Should've done it back in 1933.

Dude, no one is gonna argue with you that Germany was treated like shit - imperial ambitions narrow not their aim for others. The shit started when Germany reneged on international diplomatic guarantees on non-expansionism, this is not to say that the issues of germans in Danzig were not valid - but they did not necessitate the most harmful conflict in human history so that Hitler could maintain his floundering ego and the military legacy of his board of Prussian failures

He shot kids, not "leaders", from a party that wasn't even relevant at all; in fact, Norway didn't change, no ethno-state was formed after the attack and people's view on the far-right went down the shithole.
Your most beloved example of today's nutsac superior morality slaugthered kids and you're holding him as some kind of example for everyone.
Holla Forums, not even once

Quad threes don't lie

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The Nazis came to power in the midst of Great Depression. The unemployment rate at that point in time was close to 30%.[27] Hitler appointed Hjalmar Schacht, a former member of the German Democratic Party, as President of the Reichsbank in 1933 and Minister of Economics in 1934.[27] At first, Schacht continued the economic policies introduced by the government of Kurt von Schleicher in 1932 to combat the effects of the Great Depression. The inherited policies included a large public works programs supported by deficit spending – such as the construction of the Autobahn network – to stimulate the economy and reduce unemployment.[28] Following a Keynesian-style policy dependent upon heavy borrowing of “gigantic sums of money”, Nazi Germany’s national debt by 1939 “had reached 37.4 billion Reichmarks,” where even “Goebbels, who otherwise mocked the government’s financial experts as narrow-minded misers, expressed concern in his diary about the exploding deficit.”[29]

Wikipedia, Economy of Nazi Germany

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No, I was actually taught that in school. I'm sorry you're living in a country where Jews control the education.
I was also taught about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, about Bolsheviks being named fraternal party to the NSDAP and about communists murdering 21000 Polish officers and 52000 polish civilians for fun.

Bullshit

1. Most territories Germany lost in the treaty of Versailles had been seized from others in the 19th century and were simply given back. Alsace-Lorraine to France, Schleswig to Denmark, the Polish corridor to Poland, etc.
2. The Weimar government crashed the mark to devalue their war debt. Hence the disastrous inflation of the early 1920s and the creation of the Reichsmark.

Meme tier understanding of Nazi Germany. MEFO bills had value because he gave them to arms manufacturers and they agreed that it had value, they only agreed that it had value because they knew Hitler planned to expand and would therefore be able to pay them in other way later. Hitler, just like the jews he accused of, lent out imaginary money, in fact, it was the entire basis of his economy. And yes Hitler's debt was 40+ billion marks.

Your people are claiming I was btfo. Maybe if you had reading comprehension you woukdnt ve a communist

The Nazis also tried pulling a lot of women out of the workforce in adherence to their traditionalist bullshit, but this failed to produce the results they wanted.

Man, BTFO as always.

You have never met a farmer.

What argument do you think you still have in play?

It had nothing to do with Great Depression. There was no such thing in Germany. Germany was in permanent economic crisis, because of the aftermath of WW1. After WW1 Germany lost 30% of it's lands, along with all the industry and was forced to pay heavy reparations and being flooded by imports.
Not even mentioning communists starting civil war and killing one million Germans, and continuously sabotaging the country after they lost.

Imagine modern Iraq with Greek economy - that's basically Germany before Hitler.

human nature is like a computer that will only output if it receives input in the form of commodities. there is no nuance to anything in life, and if you dont crack the whip then the farmers will jump ship and everyone will starve

This painfully funny to me.

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Population growth which once again is exponential and has only been declining because resources themselves have been declining because of increasing communist sympathy worldwide
Value being subjective based on how much the consumer deems it worth which may or may not have anything to do with what kinds of goods it allows him to produce, aka art.
"Do and and I'll give you money" being infinitely superior to "I'll give you money and our neighbors get a cut"

I agree totally
If we don't crack the whip, then how will our horses go?
Oh wait?

ISHYGDDT

Where do you get this hilarious horseshit? Here, since you like wikipedia so much:

The Great Depression hit Germany hard. The impact of the Wall Street Crash forced American banks to end the new loans that had been funding the repayments under the Dawes Plan and the Young Plan. The financial crisis escalated out of control and mid-1931, starting with the collapse of the Credit Anstalt in Vienna in May.[73] This put heavy pressure on Germany, which was already in political turmoil. With the rise in violence of Nazi and communist movements, as well as investor nervousness at harsh government financial policies.[74] Investors withdrew their short-term money from Germany, as confidence spiraled downward. The Reichsbank lost 150 million marks in the first week of June, 540 million in the second, and 150 million in two days, June 19–20. Collapse was at hand. U.S. President Herbert Hoover called for a moratorium on Payment of war reparations. This angered Paris, which depended on a steady flow of German payments, but it slowed the crisis down and the moratorium, was agreed to in July 1931. International conference in London later in July produced no agreements but on August 19 a standstill agreement froze Germany's foreign liabilities for six months. Germany received emergency funding from private banks in New York as well as the Bank of International Settlements and the Bank of England. The funding only slowed the process; it's nothing. Industrial failures began in Germany, a major bank closed in July and a two-day holiday for all German banks was declared. Business failures more frequent in July, and spread to Romania and Hungary.[75]

In 1932, 90% of German reparation payments were cancelled. (In the 1950s, Germany repaid all its missed reparations debts.) Widespread unemployment reached 25% as every sector was hurt. The government did not increase government spending to deal with Germany's growing crisis, as they were afraid that a high-spending policy could lead to a return of the hyperinflation that had affected Germany in 1923. Germany's Weimar Republic was hit hard by the depression, as American loans to help rebuild the German economy now stopped.[112] The unemployment rate reached nearly 30% in 1932, bolstering support for the Nazi (NSDAP) and Communist (KPD) parties, causing the collapse of the politically centrist Social Democratic Party. Hitler ran for the Presidency in 1932, and while he lost to the incumbent Hindenburg in the election, it marked a point during which both Nazi Party and the Communist parties rose in the years following the crash to altogether possess a Reichstag majority following the general election in July 1932.[113][114]

Hitler followed an autarky economic policy, creating a network of client states and economic allies in central Europe and Latin America. By cutting wages and taking control of labor unions, plus public works spending, unemployment fell significantly by 1935. Large scale military spending played a major role in the recovery.[115]

Strangely enough, Keynesian policies and massive nationalization, combined with an enormous restructuring of the military - of course culminating in the invasion of all of Europe, resulting in a completely independent war economy had obviously nothing to do with it

Look at the map of the Holy Roman Empire to understand your ignorance. These territories were always German.

They agreed it had value, because it did have value. The workhours of real people, producing real goods.
Unlike the US dollar for instance, which is supported by nothing.

Today's kid is a future leader. Kill the left party youth today - save the world tomorrow.
By the way on a related note, since the majority of children takes after the politics of their parents by the age of 26, I think the logical think to do will be to kill whole families.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline
imagine being so stupid you think dropping fertility rates is a communist plot

No, nothing that indicates commie intelligence, in fact the opposite. Inefficiencies running economies into the ground

hard to believe there would be inefficiencies in unplanned economies. why isnt the market handling it

Of course not - it's a Jewish plot.
Population growth is constant in Africa, yet dropping in the white and asian countries.
You are looking at billions of rabid niggers jumping the borders and destroying civilizations.

As societys devolp it goes like this
High birth rate high death rate -→ High birth rate low death rate -→ Low birth rate low death rate.
Africa is still in the 2nd phase. The west is in the third.

Notice exactly where population growth is slowing. Population growth slows in a given region when industrialization occurs, and then it further slows when a society achieves post-industrialization. In the first case, this is the result of the fact that large families become less economically necessary when waged labor becomes an option. In the second case, children are economic burdens to individuals in a post-industrial society, and their ever-diminishing wages cannot carry that burden easily.

It has fuck all to do with "diminishing resources. Capital is still growing.

You really do have absolutely no idea what we are talking about, do you?

Nations tend to have less population growth the more developed they become. You don't need a fucking plot or conspiracy to do that, it's a natural consequence of industriousness.

The populations of Africa will likewise level off once they reach the development of Western nations. But you'll just pull another explanation for that out of your delusional paranoid ass when the time comes.

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Be careful with that edge mein mann, you could cut yourself you know

No, it has a direct correlation with the Jewish state policies.
Let's take a look at Russia, Russian has sweet population growth. Why? Because you get money and assistance for every kid, abortion is discouraged and if you get 4 kids you get a free house. Not even mentioning that family values are promoted and the men aren't afraid to get married, because the divorce laws are equal for both partners.

What do you get in the west for having kids? A huge jewish government dick up your asshole. What does a man get for getting married? A possibility of getting divorced and losing everything he owns.

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He'll say something along the lines of Africa will never be developed, obviously owing to racial and cultural inferiority to Europe rather than vested global capitalist interest in the present state of economics in Africa.

The germans got off easy with that treaty

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Frankfurt_(1871)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon

Do you think Germany was in charge of Europe during WWI or something?

I don't have it on me, can someone post the image debunking jewish bolshevism by showing how most weren't even Jewish and in some parts even anti-semetic.

Nazis man nazis.
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Yo man when you wanna gtfo of the echo chamber you're in give Ernst Jünger & Bruno Paul a look. You don't know shit about the Wiemar Republic or the Third Reich. Thats your brain on Holla Forums hahahaha! Sorry fam but they didn't told you the whole story, they lied to you.

color me surprised

You're laughing now, but it's all dead serious. Many are preparing for war for years, stocking up ammo, training in WN training camps etc. The NS are basically ISIS at this point.
The only puzzle piece that is missing is lefties actually killing or impeaching trump. That will really give us an excuse and piss the conservative normies off.

Can we rangeban americans

You're an idiot.

When violence is at a low level the way to win over the moderates is not to do bombings but to provoke bombings. Shitpost on the internet and let retarded college kids escalate, that's the way you make people like you.

Stop being violent faggots who can't control yourselves.

isis is bad at war and only good at convincing incels to drive trucks into crowds. These are really enticing threats tho.

wolframalpha.com/input/?i=graph hammer and sickle

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Marseilles is German, German forever, bring it back, damn provencal semite whores!

Why the hell would we ever want to do that? He has done nothing but butt-fuck you over ever since the election results came in exactly like we said he would, and now we just get to sit back and laugh as you pathetically try to reconcile what happens with your contradictory ideology.

I honest to god want to see this.

It won't be at low level. If Trump is impeached cucks like Oathkeepeers will like march to DC and alt-kikes with start brawling with commies in the streets and there will be blood. That's when the NS will start taking government building one by one, you will be a good distraction for the national guard.

I don't know, you should ask all the Dems who try to impeach him. I see no logic behind it, but it's all exactly as we have planned. You give the normie hope, then you take it away and the normie is enraged.

Not that it won't somewhat concern me, but the idea of watching you all get bombed by a massive international coalition while I laugh really moves the space where my heart should be

lmao nazis are you trying to larp as your jews?

Come on, you have said a lot of pants-on-head shit in this thread, but even you have to be able to see that for the bullshit that it is.

Here's a rare picture from the Nazi-wahabbist training camps
Seriously, if this is bait, it's pretty funny and all.
If you're serious though, i'd suggest growing up and reading a few books on the matter before coming here to sperg your bullshit: your replies it's literally what i would get from my brother and he's 5 years old.
I dont even know if i should make fun of you at this point

you're right you guys are even more pathetic

Christ, are you trying to get me hard?

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Strangely enough, the only conspiratorial and malicious action seems to be that planned by the nazi…almost exactly in line with what the figure of the Jew was accused of. Hmm?

First as tragedy, then as farce. You guys have taken so many L's just over the past couple of weeks, honestly - just fade into the footnotes of history. You're not even remarkable by the terribly destructive standards of international capitalism

They hate 'em 'cause they ain't 'em.

You know this is unsustainable right?

Rafiq proven right again

Because most of the behind the curtain leadership are Jews. Torah says "the worst enemies of the Jews are the Jews" and it's damn right.
We are just Jews who see the evil our existence brings and want to burn it all. Along with all ideologies, created by us and their followers.

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How interesting, you - like all other ideologies - purport to be the anti-ideology, the Real with a capital R, that which is absolute and material and unquestionable. By the way, the rest of your statement is gibberish. Read - not you're at all capable, considering I posted that earlier and you had nothing to say

atleast you admit it

Also. that's not in the Torah - Most religious texts are so remarkably malleable that you can pull any meaning from them, and you still manage to pull stuff from thin air and try to pass it as fact

So, feeling BTFO yet? He is probably scouring ancap forums right now looking for evidence that population growth is slowing in the pre-industrial world. inb4 he uses someplace that was recently hit by a famine as an example

You're kidding, right? The population of Russia and all the ex soviet republics has been declining for 20 years.

Except that even normie republicans aren't really happy with Trump. The vast majority of Trump supporters' support was along the lines of "I'd rather take a risk with Trump than guaranteed disaster with Hillary."

God you're insufferable.

I'm not even sure at this point what was being discussed there, just that he adamantly refused to recognize the mathematical and scientifically falsifiable LTV - it was almost an exact repeat of that AcademicAgent debate

tbh oathkeepers will probably side with nazis.

He was trying to push the Malthusian population principle that was utterly destroyed both by Marx in the 19th century and now by observable reality. Ancaps, man.

We are the chosen people after all. Even if we are better than the goyim, doesn't mean we aren't evil. Jews only bring despair and perversion into the world, because we have a greater inclination to evil and less willpower to combat it. Thus the thousands of commandments and laws we have to follow.

I did read it, and i there is major difference. What you call "pathological fantasy" is actually the Jewish way of life. If you repeat a lie long enough to make everyone believe it, it becomes the truth and you form the new reality.
This is the "meme magic" everyone talks about and no one understands. It's just applied Kabbalah
The Jews don't wait prophecies to happen, they reenact them and then declare them fulfilled. Jews don't believe in any authority, because the Jews think they are the highest authority on earth, thus all the regicides, revolutions and atrocities perpetrated by Jews.
If you make enough people belive into civil war - there will be civil war. If you make enough people believe into the power on ebil natzees, they will actually grow in numbers and power, because that's what everyone expects.

So when you think we are LARPing, we aren't. We are normalizing are LARP until these views are actually expected by the people.

You're being silly on purpose now.

They're not exactly all on the same page. There was a laffo moment when one oathkeeper got excited and tried to arm blm at Ferguson. the oathkeeper hq backpedalled so hard

It really is idpol

That was actually the only moment I was being serious.
Think about that - 5 years ago, would you expect POTUS praise an NS torch rally and say they are good people?
That's what we do.

Alright, I one-hundred percent believe you're fucking with us now. This is some Lacanian "behind the fiction of reality, there is the reality of fiction" type of shit - all filtered through some fucking nazi coffee filter

I don't think you get it

Yeah, thread's over. At least we got to beat up on an ancap for a while. That is always fun.

Well, our wars overseas seem always to be fought by 'good people' who kill a bunch of civilians, but it's okay because we stand for such and such value which means its okay that its fine that so many die. And that shit happened ad nauseam with Obama, so yeah - I can imagine our embattled senile president praising people who support his presidency when no one else seems to

It's not even about the president. Political violence is normalized and is now replacing racial violence, everyone are slowly forced to pick sides in a war that happened 70 years ago.
If you don't see how your reality has changed in the ways impossible you are blind.

HOT LARP ON LARP ACTION IN THE STREETS. ITS THE ITTY BITTY GRITTY NAZIS VS THE BIG RED MACHINE OF ANTIFA.

And by the way the people in the streets carry the same exact banners they carried in 1928 in Germany. Didn't you ask why are lefties carrying the KPD "Antifaschistische Aktion" flags? Why are they destroying statues like KPD did with the statues of Bismarck?
You are living in our reenactment of reality. With the opposite outcome this time.

So, this time we get elected and use emergency powers to fucking send you to gulags. Holy shit, if you weren't so monumentally deluded by ideological compulsions, I'd almost be inclined to share that fantasy with you

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so…traditional social democracy will work out in the end?
i…i don't know what to say about this but i'm okay with that.

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If you are to believe the nazi in his claim, then yes. The reality looks a whole lot more like related - Zizek would probably say that the greatest courage is the hopelessness of an easy solution

Interestingly enough, this "reenactment of reality" as a sort of necessary historical determination is exactly the opposite of what Hitler expressed in 'Mein Kampf' - which was rather an ode to a much more cynical and Nietzsche-like history, which posed man as subject to the vast cosmos and completely tiny in it's stature. Goes to show that ideological compulsion does not even require understanding of your own ideology, much less anothers

Okay, he's lost it now.

i wasn't really serious but thanks for the link tho bruv :)

Hitler lived in a different time. He didn't have the memetic field of the internet, where the Kabbalah can be amplified into a weapon of mass destruction and I don't think he would be much interested in ancient Jewish psyop technologies

Without such beautiful poetry and rhetoric, where would nazism be today, trapped to the confines of the internet? I'd doubt it!

Oh user let's hope so. Global communism is the only way humanity can get move forward.

looks like someone has read foucault's pendulum and actually believed it was true stuff lol

I said "outcome", not "process". The outcome was decided on the 8th of May of 1945.

It has nothing to do with computers per say. It's about changing the reality by changing the perception of the observer, by feeding him your own fabricated reality through entertainment.
That's actually why the Jews control the press and the Hollywood.

Somebody archive this thread, there is just too many possible screencaps

the nazi becomes an accelerationist after one thread. Guess that must be the Kabbalah magic

That's not how the dialectic works. Hitler's reich would have collapsed. The post-ironic fascists are ultimately just a blip on the historic radar. You cannot wage war anymore. Fascism cannot save capitalism. You will finally lose this time.

Did somebody say
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These details are of no relevance, what matters is the complete destruction of Jews and the ideologies they created. We don't care what happens next, because we, as Jews, won't exist by the time. But I'm sure the goyim will figure something out and will live happily ever after.

Comrade it is in fact true
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What the Jewzi fails to realize is that if what he/she says is true, then it is only a matter of time before most people catch on. Hypothetically, if all the normies discover this, there will be too many conflicting desires, rendering it useless.

Nigger it was explicitly not based on nationalism and half the time the fucking thing was run by barely to non German nobles

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Marx worked as a journalist for years.

Marx was an active journalist for an American newspaper during the civil war though

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Their butt tattoos are all wrong. Marx should have a linen coat. Lenin should have the hammer and sickle. Stalin should have a factory with a smokestack billowing black soot.

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