So it turns out that workers at british McDonald's are organising and are striking to end zero hours contracts (which are basically contracts with no set ours, you earn what you work and you can be called upon at any time), for better pay and for better working conditions. This could be the start of mass organisation of retail: something the booj class could not use the "well we will just outsource" argument for, and will start to bring down the "microprofit" subsidies shops they use to destroy local businesses and thus gain monopolies. It could be the start of this whole sector of the proletariat; created by the neoliberal consensus, garnering class consciousness.
Now this is a good fucking news. Thx user. If it works it's going to make history
Easton Green
why tf would tankies be butthurt??
Andrew Roberts
Hypersensitivity?
Thomas Hall
Why would I? Union struggles is one of the reasons I'm a communist.
Dylan Perez
Say it with me electronic kiosks
Christopher Reyes
Those kiosks going to flip the burgers?
Daniel Young
They're gonna do that no matter what. Might as well unionise
Luis Campbell
third worldism?
Isaiah Allen
We'll find a way, slave.
Eli Martin
Good luck with your falling rate of profit, m9
Ian Butler
Good, now if only my fuckin' IT industry could do something it would be nice.
Jayden Lopez
That sounds exactly like being a worker in burgerland.
Leo White
Neoliberalism came here first (by like a year). Until a few years ago the UK were some of the most classcucked people in teh west, now some consider us some of the most forward thinking.
Asher Rogers
you know they're microwaved, right? and assembly robots will make your food. like they do in factorites that make frozen dinners.
Nathaniel Gray
might as well accelerate the conditions that make entry level labor too expensive to be worth it ftfy
Easton Myers
Yes, and instead of asking for higher wages, we should demand to have less work hours for the same salary (or higher š).
Joshua Gonzalez
THIS
Austin Price
American tankies get mad at pretty much anything Euros do short of armed revolution. They are mad jelly.
Right on time. Always butthurt within 20 replies in a Euro thread.
Anthony Ross
Finally the Anglo does something good. Now we need the burger flippers in burgerland to folow there steps.
Automation causes the falling rate of profit
Isaiah Perry
I hope they enjoy their replacement
William Green
It's good news, even if it makes the tiniest progress since it'll empower other workers to unionise too.
I've been sending shit like this to my un-unionised friend to get her to join up, and I've recently joined the IWW.
At the end of the day organising workers will benefit the movement regardless of how futile the efforts are against capital in the meantime before any "revolution" that we discuss with a utopian mindset.
And if the union action for decent working conditions causes faster automation or whatever (which in a capitalist system it will) then you come to the old Trotskyist idea that fighting for causes that prove the inability of Capitalism to cater for the proletariat will in turn lead to a growing anti-capitalist sentiment and greater agitation against capital itself, which is always a good thing.
Adam Powell
State owned food services and a life of luxury?
Xavier Bell
You just going to fire everyone that tries to fight for their rights? How do you think that is going to end up pal?
See this is why ancapistan wouldn't work: they have the sense of late 1700s absolute monarchies.
Isaiah Nelson
Lol, you're LARPing as a McDonalds franchise owner
Nicholas Hughes
Good you only hasten you're lynching
Samuel Howard
No one owes you a living, and Monarchy is preferable to democracy.
Owen Turner
Why do that when it would be cheaper to get a few shitty tablets?
Colton Miller
yeah being ruled by some dipshit inbred with limbs falling off and chronic bleeding is an extremely better thing than having the masses dictate their fates
Luis Smith
"We will just automate"
which is great. Food service shouldn't be inflicted upon anyone.
Nicholas Russell
Zero-hour contracts in fucking McDonalds, quite literally hell on earth.
Robert Edwards
Good for them! Let them take their faith in their own hands in so far as they can. It's also true that, barring government intervention, this will likely increase automation (>>2000928 >>2000765 are scum, but right). Which, if you are a good Marxist, is something that is on the whole good, as people are liberated of the drudgery of burger flipping. How we deal with the lack of jobs that will follow, is a different, wider issue, and one that requires among other things an organized working class andā¦ strong unions. So there are only upsides, taking the wider view.
Justin Sullivan
solution? do you hear yourself?
Luke Ramirez
Tnis is ridiculous. Kings and Queens are raised fo become virtuous rulers.
Josiah Thompson
Their collective power will be part of the solution, not the solution itself.
Adam Murphy
READ DE LEON.
James Harris
I agree tbh famrade. I mean gov intervention is quite likely considering McDonnell strikes me as a techno-communist kind of guy, but yeah.
Also I hope this builds class consciousness among the retail worker, that would be a major bon.
Asher Murphy
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Nolan Evans
good to see we agree now if that parasite boss would just fuck off am I right!
Samuel Gutierrez
they have no collective power. they have access to the markets and voting and they still don't have power. the bougies won't let the system just collapse. they'll slowly phase out humans from the labor force, placate them with welfare, and then they will have full control over you. any dissenters will have their digital currency cards shut down and your access to self-driving cars will be restricted. the phasing of humans out of the labor force isn't a way of ushering a worker's movement, it's a planned way of putting chains around everyone's neck.
Aiden Collins
are you talking about democracy or monarchy?
Luis Jackson
THE HORRORRRRRRRRR
Eli Hughes
In my bureaucratic socialist utopia, no-one will stop you from frying burgers on a recreational basis.
Michael Foster
Not an argument.
Nolan Martin
Your absolutely right. Isn't working a thankless job sweating over processed cow carcass, in a poorly made degrading uniform, in the back of a horrendously kept establishment, while taking orders from uncaring strangers who treat you like part of an automated machine belt, while getting little monetary compensation for your time just the most humanizing experience!
Logan Taylor
Even in places with kiosks they have workers.
James Reyes
Fuck me this year just keeps getting better.
PLEASE PLACE THE ITEM IN THE BAGGING AREA
Levi Phillips
I mean it is quite specific, but yeah.
Also, a moment of silence for the NUM.
Joshua Morris
who says their boss doesn't thank them? they're just putting some frozen patties in a microwave. it's not rock-breaking in the desert sun malnourished vegan spotted how is a uniform degrading? you're just inventing this. some restaurants are spotlessly clean, even fast food ones. they get health inspected and publicly graded regularly where i'm from again, you're just imposing ill will on everyone who wants a burger. i've worked retail, most people are nice you are some places you make $12+/hr for microwaving burgers. again, you're imposing and projecting blanket utopianism where it doesn't always apply. plus, you always have the option of not working some place that doesnt compensate you enough.
I'm guessing you've never had a job by the way you envision working retail, user.
Henry Gonzalez
They're in the process of being phased out. All entry-level labor is. From drivers to check-out people to product stocking. It's all going mechanical, even if it isn't right now.
Sebastian Morgan
So much for the humanist right.
Noah Moore
Anyway to do this against google?
Henry Morales
When 90% of your business is automated, and 10% is just people shuffling things from one station to the other, you're basically an organic cog in a larger machine. Sort of like being a driver.
Brandon Bell
Or easier, you close the borders.
Mason Howard
In what sense? What specifically is google doing in this regard?
Ladies and gents, the "individualist freedom" of capitalism!"
that's true whether you're forced to work there in a marxist society or a capitalistic one. your job is rote and pre-determined. that's a pretty good metaphor for being a cog.
Dylan Smith
I don't share your obsession with being surrounded with people that look like me. Also there are structural reasons why our current organization of social production necessitates a degree ofā¦ and sho on.
Jacob Powell
Please tell me of all the force labour under the EZLN. I'll wait.
Jackson Gray
I know you've never worked a job in your life but I thank my employees all the time. I know you wish this was 18th century eastern europe, but honestly most employers and employees i've worked with/for have been decent, nice people.
Levi Bell
Today on things that aren't a thing: user being an actual boss!
Christopher Stewart
please tell me what would happen if you lived in the EZLN and didn't work at all
Josiah Reed
I dunno, ask the elderly or children. Now tell me what happens under capitalism?
Mason Morales
I know, when you're usually surrounded by blackpilled depressed losers who rail against a system they've only ever peripherally engaged with, it's hard to believe successful people could come here too. you'll have to trust not everyone on 8ch is as big of a loser as the average leftypol
John Robinson
I mean I have worked for several people, yeah some of them were nice.
But you really aren't making me believe you anymore pal.
Luke Sullivan
what would happen if you're a 30 year old, able bodied man and didn't work in the EZLN? depends. if you inherit money or own a successful business or save up money responsibly, etc., you don't have to do anything. I own my own business and plan on selling it before I turn 40 and retiring early.
Julian Baker
No wonder the nazis only lasted for 12 years
Aaron Williams
>he thinks my contention is that he doesn't really thank his employees
Leo Lewis
Shot t. Amerigan media
Honestly, I doubt much tbh.
Ah so if you have never done anything you can live easy if your daddy did: nice to see people advocating for aristocracy.
Wait did you just say business owners don't really work? Bloody hell.
Ah yes, for when you work minimum wage it is so easy to save up copious amounts of money to live the same way you did while you had a job.
Good luck with that mate, I am sure nonexistent business go for 100ks nowadays.
William Lopez
If you actually want capitalism to end, this is the quickest and most surefire way for it to happen. Read Marx.
Ryder Young
as far as i can tell there's only one literal porky itt against it.
Thomas Jackson
Been around (in my town atleast) for a year. Those kiosks are also CARD only and would of existed with or without a union.
If Maccie's want to be devlishly evil they'll sack their staff except managers and bring in a zero hr contract Agency
Kayden Edwards
How is this even a question? Monarchy, of course. It's not even a comparison. That's not to mention every other argument against it.
Benjamin Perry
thanks so much for sharing, you've really improved this thread quite a lot.
Noah Martin
Meh. Those things were first introduced here in Australia at McDonalds a few years back and they still employ the same number of people. Most employees are part of the union as well and as such McD's actually pays above the award rate (minimun wage) for fast food workers (hourly award for fast food workers starts at $20.08 or $22.09 10pm to midnight or $23.09 midnight to 6am or $25.10 on Saturday and $29.12 on Sunday) though i think the Sunday penalty rate no longer applies but McD's has said they will continue to pay it.
Jace Roberts
Oh, and despite paying people a somewhat living wage they still manage to produce food that's a thousand times better then anything US McDonalds workers have ever seen and provide table service.
Jayden Lee
It's almost like unionisation works.
Kayden Lewis
Shit that looks good.
Camden Bennett
here is the legal minimum rates for fast food workers in Australia. Again McS's pays a little more then that because they have to negotiate rates with the union.
Somehow they still manage to make billions of dollars of profit as the largest fast food chain in the country.
Caleb Lopez
it's not bad. you can order a custom burger using the kiosk and it spits out a table number thingy and they bring it out to you. i still get a double quarter pounder though usually because if i am going to McDonalds im going to get a double quarter pounder god damn it.
Mason Martin
also includes pic related. sage because I keep posting.
Benjamin Robinson
So a half pounder?
Mason Wilson
you would think.
David Murphy
I like the fact they managed to negotiate an allowance for having to work in one particular town in the middle of fucking nowhere. Didn't know of that one before.
Anthony Myers
How and when did this happen? I thought Australia went full classcuck a few years ago? If you have links to any good articles about this saved, it would make great ammo in the UK & US, as we've both got labor efforts against McDonalds ongoing right now.
Jackson Parker
We have actually been going down hill. The government recently removed weekend penalty rates for some shop workers ect.. We have strong unions in Australia, only reason this sort of thing exists. Unfortunately also the reason why we will not be having a socialist revolution any time soon. Also interesting, most people in Australia pay less tax then in the US yet we still have universal health care and (you can walk into a hospital, get fixed up and walk out without anyone mentioning money), cheaper university (another thing we have lost in the last decades is free uni) and the government still managed to find $50bil to throw away of useless French made submarines (that's a lot for us, our regular military budget for this year is $34.6bil). Australia IS a neo-lib shithole but we are not the United States *shudders*.
Brayden Garcia
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Luis Clark
this is gonna be horrible for jobs, learn basic economics
Bentley Price
read "value price and profit"
Aiden Perez
Hot damn converted into UK money you would be paying National Insurance and/or paying off student debt with that kind of income.
Kayden Peterson
If I make 10 pounds an hour, will you die?
Nathaniel Price
It would be extremely unfortunateā¦
Cooper Foster
Your profits are big, guy
Thomas Scott
FOR THE RULING CLASS
Ethan Hall
Why don't you take of your mask and call yourself what you are; a neo-feudalist.>>2001144