is antifa basically liberalism?

is antifa basically liberalism?

fb is now today packed to the brim with anti-fascists. All the normies are now into memes about nazis and white pride.

is opposing fascism just cleaning up capitalism?

I mean when your group is as broad as "we oppose fascism" it will attract loads of liberals because outside of Chan's basically everyone with two neurons to rub together hates Nazis.

Anti-fascism is a social duty of serious revolutionary leftists. The cringe-worthy elements of it that we're seeing a lot of are the result not of antifa, but of the bizarre idiosyncracies of north american leftism

but we just wasted a whole year fighting fascists as the capitalists continue on, like how Watergate was the scandal that hide the fact that the entire government is the scandal.

I think the abundance of firearms and ever increasing hostilities are leading it to becoming a situation that could put the capitalists themselves in danger.

pretty much this.

Right, which is why the anti-fascist struggle must necessarily be a component of an overall revolutionary strategy. It must exist alongside building a popular movement; the creation of a dual-power and counter-culture. Right now, the left is not doing this. It's being purely reactive, not proactive. It isn't fanatically putting into practice an ideology that it takes seriously. Until the left starts taking revolution seriously by having a coherent revolutionary ideology and applying it militantly, then things will continue as they are.

well that is why antifa are liberals, they just smash fascists so things can stay the same as always

as far as I am concerned, yes, they are the literal shock troops of neoliberalism. they had the biggest presence AFTER the election, and threw a massive tantrum AFTER trump got elected. rather than fomenting a mass movement prior, we instead got people all of a sudden going 'anti fascist' when fascists have the most potential for recruitment.

they very much seem to be operating in a reactionary mode. this is worsened when people shy away from terms like 'communism' when discussing antifa and stressing that its a 'united front against fascism'. this just is a feeble attempt at cloaking the glaring ideological chasm that exists in american antifa. you might have real commies in there, i dont doubt it, but the alliance with liberals and potential for infiltration is pretty fucking stupid imho.

anti-fascism as a general idea is good, i just would never associate myself with it in america. for a bunch of people that oppose vanguardism (i only say this because tons of anarchists are in antifa), it is very strange how 'vanguard' like antifa is in america but for some reason, the entire 'anti capitalism' part of it is completely left out and for the most part replaced with shitty idpol.

Antifa seems too disorganized to be considered a vanguard. But I agree. I went to a vigil tonight for Heather and it felt to me like there was this intense combination of liberals and socialists. A lot of the speaking was about removing Trump, about voting, presumably for dems because who else are you going to vote for, lots of talk about dismantling white supremacy etc.

DSA and SA was there, and while I know the DSA guys are anti-capitalist they only mentioned socialism as a part of their name. SA talked about minimum wage and healthcare for a minute. Everything else was "defeat fascists!" and I was left feeling like, what happens when all of the fascists go back into hiding and are marginalized? What happens when a democrat is back in the white house? Are all the libs going to go away? I just wish there had been more of a sense of something beyond the fascists, because plenty of people can oppose neo-nazis. But when the neo-nazis aren't there running people over in cars, what happens to this tenuous liberal/left alliance?

I think the DSA, SA, Antifa, IWW, Redneck Revolt etc. all the left wing orgs need to continue fighting the fascists openly in confrontations that include leftwing banners and slogans, but don't ally with the liberals. Don't let them steal that glory. WE are out there fighting for people's rights and safety. What can the liberals do, get mad that they aren't being included in the rallies even though they aren't the ones getting their skulls bashed in? Denounce liberals, make clear that leftism is standing against fascists AND fighting for people's interests against the neoliberals. I think the show of purpose and strength will draw in more of the 20 somethings.

How many times do fascists have to win before people realize they are THE biggest threat to socialism and a united front with ANYONE against fascists is justified if and when they pose an imminent threat to the workers?

When Trot wreckers apologize for supporting the Nazis against real socialism.

What in God's name are you talking about

Trotsky was one of only a handful of socialists who had a correct line on the Nazis. The Comintern literally told the KPD to refuse a temporary united front with the SPD and called the latter "1000 times worse" than the Nazis would be.

Yes it's Hillary Clinton rounding up the hard core hoes ready to die in Syria.

This post is pretty much all you need.

What fascists, where? Golden Dawn is the only genuine fascist group, and they are politically irrelevant.

Unfortunately, yes. The masses just plain won't be radicalized while they have significant material comfort.

Fascism is not a threat to capitalism, dumbass.

Let's try and make something new lads. You know where to find me.

the biggest threat to socialism is fucking capitalists, school teachers, the ISAs, the police, the state, and civil society that all work together to reproduce the system. It is NOT some lumpenproletariat fascists meeting in basements, you stupid faggot.

That's what I am fucking saying you illiterate piece of shit. That is the whole point of this, otherwise I'd have no problem with antifa orgs in America.

I'm starting to genuinely think the antifaggots here and the regular faggots on Holla Forums are either COINTELPRO or victims of it. Interclass conflict between radical, disenfranchised workers is exactly what the state wants to protect itself as things get worse. Every time between when a neo-nazi or a white nationalist kills or attacks an innocent, Capitalism has killed, enslaved, imprisoned, or brutalized a million. Fucking BLM is a better movement than antifa, because at least BLM was directly protesting against the state and its methods, antifa just wants to focus on defeating the evil Other.

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