The Alt Right Problem

Should the Alt Right movement ever be addressed at higher levels, in the context that it signals alienation of young white millenials, that is not properly addressed before, except maybe only by Men's Rights Movement that was a thing 5-or-so years ago? Alienation that maybe is not that well researched before and should be focused on, in order to find solutions that could stop further radicalization of these white young millenials and adopting right-wing politics as a result of their alienation.

I am not alt-right, and I am least impressed with their meme culture, I just had this thoughts listening to Chapo Trap House episode with Angela Nagle, author of "Kill All Normies" where she proposed that there could be apolitical social alienation problems that drive people who normally wouldn't care about politics to adopt extremely radical right-wing views that have commonly belonged to prison gangs or mentally insane old men.

I feel we should discuss this, how to bring an end to social alienation of these young white folks? Please no tankie bs about "it's da capitalism fault", because while it's correct, it's offensively simplistic catch-all answer to what could be a serious underlying problem in western world that could highlight a rise of some new, hip and cool form of fascism that could not only stop humanity's eternal progress towards socialism, but actually revert the progress.

I created this thread specifically to discuss if Alt Right movement is just GG-related fad, or start of a larger popular movement. This discussion will be off-limits for any lurking Holla Forumsyps, nazbols, tripfag dramas or edgy stalinist trolls, we need to ignore all those who seek to derail or slide the thread in order to stay on point and pinpoint the core problems related to Alt-Right movement & possible solutions/alternatives for core problems.

the alt right is irrelevant, they exist as internet subculture and nothing more

Who do you think you are to call them irrelevant, some old-ass boomer politician?

A thinking person maybe. They offer no policies or solutions for the problems they face and instead throw themselves into the waking dream of memes and consumerism. Their fate is even worse if they don't turn out to be irrelevant, because at some point they'll reach a critical mass where the actual nazis and hardcore reactionaries will split off and/or purge the pony fuckers and anime avatars and then they won't just be irrelevant, they'll be dead.

Anime avatar bronies are never intending to be the face of the movement, they will be in the spectator seat of a sports match where main players ARE the hardcore reactionaries. Rest of the population are supposed to be the ones not physically present at the sports match, but instead watching the show unfold from TV. There is no use for hardcore reactionaries to purge anybody, as long as the anime avatar folks are being useful idiots. I've never seen Dylan Roof or Anders Breivik types going after the "right-wing degenerates" or "alt-light" yet, they go for the lefties or brown people still.

You paint a picture as if situation is simple, but it's not.

nigger please, alt-righters are just a tiny, tiny part of the republican voter base who support old-ass boomers

no u

As long as Europe and America has non whites the alt right is never going away.

such redpilled much based wow I can't even

Basic liberal SJWs and former left-leaning centercucks are also radicalizing more and more, especially after le evil DRUMPF's upset win.

Where are you taking it from? All I've ever noticed is them only losing ground, especially after Trump's supposed war with CNN. Probably because Buzzfeed and Huffpost feel like they are pretty much like CNN themselves.

Losing ground and radicalizing are not mutually exclusive though. Especially since Trump's electoral victory meant a lot of liberals closeness to the establishment power is no longer assured, this forces some reconsideration regarding their political avenue's and subsequent ideology. This is particularly true of those who weren't so close to power to begin with.

You're stupidly wrong. Kids nowadays fucking hate SJWs with a burning passion. This leads them to "SJW OWNED!!!" channels and eventually to alt-right channels like Sargon and others.

I completely understand where they're coming from, too. I used to be the same way with flat-earthers and creationists.

This makes sense, but have you seen this reflect in real life? Bring an example.


This

The alt-right is controlled OP, conveniently defined from various anonymous movements.
Almost all of their leaders are either faggots or jews. Do you honestly think that natzes would put those people on their helm?

says the nervous anime nazi for the 88th time

That's the only way I can see this being a problem outside the internet.

Mostly seen former Bernie bro's switch to some leftist groups and the like now that they're shot at electoral politics failed.

Yeah the alt right are all anti semitic Jews apparently.

Or maybe the alt right only exists in Hillaries mind?

Push yourself away from the computer.

6 out of 10 people prefer online video platforms to live TV

By 2025, half of viewers under 32 will not subscribe to a pay-TV service

In an average month, 8 out of 10 18-49 year-olds watch YouTube

In 2015, 18-49 year-olds spent 4% less time watching TV while time on YouTube went up 74%

On mobile alone, YouTube reaches more 18-49 year-olds than any broadcast or CABLE TV network

Okay, the alt-rights actual impact will be some spree killers murdering at a lesser rate than ladder malfunctions? Great, we can move on to greater things.


You shouldn't underestimate other peoples intelligence like that. sargons fans are idiots, and anybody who allows their political beliefs to be molded by compilation videos is an idiot as well. Adults are broadly anti-sjw anyways, and the alt right hasn't swelled any bigger, mostly because they're repulsive.

Antifas preferred attack target is garbage cans for some reason.

I wonder what the Aut right will attack?

No one because most of them are petty bourgeoisie Republicans who are terrified of losing muh property.

This poster gets it, but I really expected a better thread than this. This "holier than thou" mindset is really damaging, this acting as if alt-right is not worthy of discussion. If left-wing were to combat their phenomenon, we really should figure out a strategies for un-doing the nazi indoctrination.

The alt-right is obviously fueled by Trump and by anti-immigration sentiment, and by a feeling of powerlessness in the face of a mainstream media that ridicules and ostracizes anyone who criticizes the status quo. Point in case: your opening image. The incels just happen to be rather conspicuous, because of how deeply they upset the liberal gutmensch narrative of civility and feminist progress.

It doesn't seem to be very useful to keep talking about the incel thing for too long. We need to be more concerned about right-wing populism in general, as it affects more people. Basically, far more people are glued to 4/pol/ than to /r9k/.

When the incels fall in line with Holla Forums, it's likely because they are extremely frustrated about a bunch of twitter harpies who behave like they have a position of papal infallibility on politics and progress. The incels then end up on Holla Forums, and will start to regurgitate all the nice buzzwords like gultural marxism so they can feel rebellious.

You can try to convince incels that the twitter harpies don't represent the classic left, that they're a bunch of frauds. But then you might as well redirect incels to left-wing anti-establishment sources right away. You have to convince incels that there is a way for them to oppose the extremely corrupt and abnormally consolidated mainstream media narrative without having to turn to the simplistic gut-feeling and tribalism on Holla Forums.

OP here, my reply is late, I'm sorry, but thanks for this post.

SJW was always about empathy being a decent human being, the backlash is not the fault of marginalised folks standing up for their own humanity, but a result of bourgeoisie whites who have grown up without the meaning of empathy

We are all marginalized under capitalism. SJWs were a bunch of idpolers who were often bourgeois themselves. Whining about media representation of white women won't eliminate the patriarchy.

Hey OP, I have been far right for a while up until mid 2015. Let me share with you some insight into the alt-right.

Richard Spencer mainly engages with people through TRS radio, so you should start there. Their lineup consists of flagship shows The Daily Shoah, which is a 2-3 hour long biweekly shitposting podcast and Fash The Nation, a serious weekly political analysis show released on the weekends. I still listen to TDS and FTN for the kicks because I was a follower in 2015 back in my libertarian days and I couldn't shake it, I now cringe at most of the show but some episodes are very interesting. In fact a few episodes episodes ago they were talking about some mod from the Chapo subreddit contacting them and complimenting them on being funnier than the Chapo crew. Another recent episode worth listening to was the one where they brought on a half-jewish reporter to talk to them about ethnonationalism, where the reporter took a unique angle of "well i hate the zionists and jewish imperialists and if whites go down this road you will end up adopting crypto-zionist policy"


Not really. The reactionaries would have been radicalized even more, just like leftism is growing massively with the defeat of Hillary. Spencer may actually have gotten further traction if Hillary had won, to be honest. I think he has commented on this. With regards to Trump himself, many on the alt-right approve of his crackdown on illegals and "high-risk" Muslim country ban, but there is by no means a slowdown of immigration on the whole. A lot of members of the alt-right are technologically minded and have problems with Indians and Chinese immigration undercutting their jobs in the tech sector.
Chapo and TRS shows both pull in 100k viewers. This is the same level of engagement that the CNN YouTube channel does, despite there being 2.2 million subs on that channel. Moreover, YouTube and Twitter have put "anti-hate" algorithms in place because of the massive online presence of the alt-right. YouTube especially, it can basically be called ReactionaryTube at this point. Find any pro-migrant, pro-lgbt, or pro-feminist videos on YouTube and the comment section is completely dominated by people with Hitler or Pepe avatars.
I disagree. Many of these incels are not so frustrated by neoliberal feminist twitter harpies, but rather they feel as though their white cis-male identity is no longer valid due to the constant attacks on them. Unfortunately, they never draw the proper conclusion as to why this is (neoliberal division of the working class) and adopt the "us vs them" and "orcs vs humans" ideas that are promoted on Holla Forums. In a world where identity politics is so prevalent, these incels attach themselves to a new identity: alt-right.
Indeed. Personally I believe Richard Spencer and the alt-right elite are controlled opposition that are supported by Russia. Once these people hit rock bottom (my white identity movement is artificial and all other movements reject me), only then can they be open to abandoning meaningless identity politics and graduating towards analyzing the economic framework they are trapped in.

Not sure if troll or delusional.

OP again, thanks for your input. This reminds me of my own story of being a former Holla Forumsack, except for me, it's complicated by the fact that before going alt-right, I was doing anti-xenophobia activism (eastern yuropoor) and being in close contact IRL with the SJW's and neoliberal anarkiddie types (problematic drumf #notallmuslims trans rights etc.) eventually tired me out and pushed me to alt right, but after a while I found out that alt-right is in some aspects even worse than SJW's, because while both reactonary groups can be aggressive and censoring, the far right tends to outperform SJW's in their degrees of hostile, toxic behavior and violence whenever they manage to assume important positions of power.

Actually, what convinced me to leave was not their violence. I was not "triggered" or anything. What convinced me was that they are anti-intellectual movement, and they circle-jerk around big countries like USA, UK, Germany and Russia to an extent where every liberation movement in the history opposed to these world powers becomes ridiculed at. This was actually what made me cringe, since as eastern yuropoor, listening to ignorant americans praise Putin for hours to end or some western european fucks saying that they have no problems about eastern europe being raped by Russia (I am not so spooked about nationalist rhetoric anymore but this shit always gets to me, this ignorance of westerners when they discuss eastern european-russian relations/history).

so basically the only thing that makes someone alt-right is maturity ? I'll be damned

it's da capitalism fault

No it wasnt.
Defining anything short of busybody neurosis and consistent shaming and disdain for the boogeyman demographic/s as 'evil unempathic shitty person'-hood doesnt make your movement about being a good person to anyone but you .

Read "Exiting the Vampire Castle" before you post again.