Why don't PSL and WWP get back together again? Is there really any difference between the two...

Why don't PSL and WWP get back together again? Is there really any difference between the two? The backstabbing socdems are forming their "big tent" in DSA, why don't the real communists form a large organization of their own?

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none of the US-based communist organizations do shit tbh

psl are idopl socdems

You just described all MLs tbh.

I don't think anyone outside of party cadres will ever know why they split in the first place, but apparently it had to do with differing ideas regarding organizing and praxis. What those differences are, I honestly have no clue, but I think it has to do with whether or not the electoral politics are worth putting time and energy into, as well as disagreements over United Front tactics.

PSL are participating in DSA, so are Trot orgs like SALT and ISO. Honestly, I don't really see all that much of a difference between PSL and the younger Marxist wing of the DSA.

READ LENIN


No they're not.

Yeah but only because they all predict the socdems will push out the actual communists with their antics. They want to be the parties that the DSA communists jump ship to.

Tell that to an ML, Marxism-Leninism has nothing to do with Lenin's actual ideas, it was just the party line of the USSR.

Why can't all the Leftist groups in America all just get along and then start disagreeing/killing each after capitalism is abolished?

Where would leftists be without infighting?

R E A D L E N I N

Worker's World is way too tankie to ever go mainstream

PSL is somewhat tankie but is moderate enough to play along as a reformist party

Theyre not even ML's they are a rightwing brand of Trotskyism that came outta this fucktard Sam Marcy. There is no clear line other then supporting things that are anti-american imperialism, and ironing over line differences within the ICM.

They split and stay apart for the same reason the ISO and Socialist Alternative will never merge.

Why does PSL want Porto Rico to be independent.

Whos’ SALT

Socialist Alternative

From what i read about the history of variouse communist parties in the west its pretty much non stop
I DISAGREE WITH YOU SLIGHTLY ON SOME THINGS YOU SCUM IM FORMING MY OWN PARTY WITH BLACKJACK….AND HOOKERS"

No, SALT is not participating in DSA. Our party line is to interact with them during events but sow no delusions about their goals within the Democratic Party. Unless they jettison their delusions about reforming the Democratic Party or supporting Democratic candidates we will limit any participation.

I though they were abbreviated as SA

the left in general is a circular firing squad, constantly backstabbing, breaking into smaller groups, and being infltrated by cointelpro.

I have read about the various communist states and how they formed and i legit think its a Miracle there ever was a soviet union or any other communist country.

But even then, trots got the stabby stabby

Are you a member of SALT?

Yes, for about a year and a half now.

Thats not an attribute exclusive of the left tho

FUUCKING SECTARIANZ REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It´s officially SA but most people say SAlt.

Freedom Socialist Party split from Socialist Workers Party because they disagreed over whether China had ever been a legitimate workers state, and whether they should support black nationalism.

Yeah, but being right-wing is mainly about defending those who are already ruling class or helping get new recruits into the ruling class or to convince proles to work against their own interests. That isn't nearly as much work seeking to overturn and replace the present society. Even "le fashy RWDS XD" is just about killing political opponents and scapegoats, thats a lot less hard then remaking society at a fundamental level and relatively easy when Daddy America pays the bill.

If anyone thinks there ideas can become mainstream in America while supporting Black Nationalism. Well there retarted.


You could say there alt-Socialist

It sounds like you're not following the current in DSA. Most of the activists leading the major cities are to the left of SALT in many ways.

DSA will simply never be a centralist organization.

But I do agree that anything can happen in the next 2 years. It can continue shifting to the left, or it can fall into the Harrington trap of the 70s in trying to reform the Dems. But that seems unlikely looking at the current trend.

Praxis is going to take the Convention, old guard socdems reign supreme with their new feels>reals idpol kiddies, us pulling for Momentum/left caucus leave and we all join PSL.

alt-S

You'd have to be more precise about what is meant by "left of SALT in many ways" because I'm not sure what metric is being used for that. I know there's a leftist block within DSA and we'll simply have to wait and see what they can do. I'm wondering how many of those 25,000 are people solely into the Cult of Bernie and not engaged at that level, though.

Them not being a democratic centralist organization says to me that they will not be a revolutionary organization.

lolwut

Looking forward to many more years of imperialist garbage published on the main DSA site… "but it's not our official stance, we're just having a debate!!!"

How do you figure that out?
They're by far the best active socialist party in the US

Dosen’t SALT have the same relashinship to the Green Party that DSA has to the dems.

SALT pretty much critize DSA for being Democratic stooges, while having the same exact praxis as DSA. "We hate Democrats, unlike DSA bootlickers, but let me recruit Bernie liberals and copy all the same projects as DSA".

The most sectarian and despotic have had the most success leading a workers' movement tbh fam.

SA was an abbreviation for a Nazi organization, so a lot of people use SAlt.

so then what do you call someone who follows Lenin?

Because 99.9% of """leftists""" are actually leftists.

A faggot.

A cultist? [Person]ism is not about following someone as a person, but their theory.


Get back to Galilposting, nerd.

SA was st,rasserist SS was nazi.

Praxis are like, Maoist-influenced and considerably more left than MomenTrot. What are you saying?

anyway centralism is stupid and obsolete in 2017.