AMA ASK ME ANYTHING!

Yeah my most recent games Ive been enjoying are Stellaris and ARK.

why did you feel the need to post this thread

I am enjoying myself

What is the difference between value, use-value, and exchange value?

What high school did you go to where there were actual kids who knew what communism was?

Stellaris is pretty cool, i've been meaning to play the new Utopia DLC.

When did you get your lobotomy?

What do you think about my OC?

Nigger if you're the ancap from other threads you have neither a grasp of socialism or capitalism - so how are you actually anything other than a meandering idiot with tastes in edgy ideologies?

Why are you a dumb faggot

Im Canadian our country is a full degree more to the left then the US so communism is not as radical here and we are taught more socialist values.

k-12 took a couple years to recover

I like the DLC a lot unity system is cool, I played a race of plant creatures that terraformed all planets to gaia ones. It was a space faring garden of eden was pretty cool.

I think the art work needs to be slightly more realistic to appeal to an older audience.

Did you actually ever read marx? I mean more than the communist manifesto.

You didn't answer his question.

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There are two ancaps in the other threads, I'm the one that came late, our posts are mixed.
I was a communist when I was a child / a teenager. When I grew up, I undestood equality wasn't something necessarily good, and I began to abandon this ideology. It took several years.

What literature had you read when you were a communist in high school and what communist agitation did you take part in?

tbh back then I didnt know but it was 10 years ago in that time people didn't copy and paste talking points online. but ill put about 1min of research into it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_value
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_value

So if my guess is correct value is how much its worth, exchange value is how much its worth to be traded and use value is how much its worth just to be used

I mean, he probably doesn't even know babby-tier Marxism considering he ignored it to begin with.

I wonder where else have I heard or read this meme by the most illiterate people who like to act smug.

Have you read Marx?

Your hearing it because its real, hence why I have that flag and old russian. I was an autistic teenager just like the lot of you. The only difference between 10 years ago and now is the copy and pasting idealogical points

Yeah, you were never a commie. Probably an edgy teenage LARPer at best.

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I'm a mathematician and I'm speaking to you in a language very different from my mother tongue you American nigger.

that's most "former communists" for you

OP right now

Congrats on escaping the communist meme , most of the posters on here don't have fully developed brains yet so there is no point in arguing with them about this though.

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Really? Like what?

But you never left your edgy teenager phase. You just joined the latest internet fad.

You should post the leftypol ones some time, they're actually funny, as opposed to written by teenagers reformed into manchildren.

apa.org/monitor/jun06/emerging.aspx

Self awareness doesnt finish developing until your well into adulthood. This article highlights why people on this board need to belong to an ideology or group. Essentially you are all growing up flourishing into adults.

The fact that you think communism is about equality shows that you were never a commie to begin with

What makes you say that?

Communism is about demoralizing and radicalizing the workers

What is your ideology now?

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The ancap certainly has, he'll probably be posting in a few years time saying how he's always been a socialist, and had an edgy ancap phase when it was popular.
For some reason I thought you said you were Holla Forums in your OP, probably getting it mixed up with another thread.

Maybe you should read about up on your former ideology some time.

/leftpol/ memes good

you really are stupid as fuck

Homie you were never a communist. You're an edgy teenager hopping from one radical political position to the next. You have no comprehension of politics outside of memes.

ignore MarxistMatey, I think he's a false flagger

that's not the ancap. they're two different guys

I am not too sure I dont really like to put myself into a box with labels. I believe in free market but a business should help the greater good of the nation if it doesn't it become corrupted. Government would probably have to force the business to actually make society better instead of muh profits

Fam have you even read a book of theory?

but thats not how it works, even if the buisness man gives a shit he won't be able to compete with the guy who just outsources the labour to china

Communism is about ending private property. The justification for this is a belief in natural equality between men.
Please tell me where I am wrong.

A business would be shut down if they were to do it. Outsourcing is against the nations well being

What kind of theory have you read? And what made you drop communism?

Life does not work that way you dumb child. Businesses are in it for 1 thing and 1 thing only, making money.

I laughed at this. Thank you for this shitpost, you motherfucker.

The older I get the more I base my beliefs off of my personal experiences.

Why don't you prove yourself wrong?

That is retarded, you should strive to base your worldview on science and not your fucking feels.

These are things you can't mix together. Every single example I am trying to think of (really obscure ones, like the British Telecomm privatisation decades ago and the ensuing mixed market with government owning shares and stuff) and we have slow as shit broadband anyway.

he's right.

so you're an unironic normalfag? christ.

Then you were not a communist. Don't bring that weak shit here.

So this meme you posted is not a very convincing one. muh surplus labour is being stolen but I most contribute as much as I can to the government. This just takes profits out of business and into government

Not surprising.

Communism is about ending production for exchange which is the driving logic behind capital. The justification for this is that it creates a wasteful, inefficient, alienating, and exploitative social structure. You can make a moral argument for communism but that's not what Marx really laid out.

You are really bad at pretending to be a former communist.

here
I just had a think over how this would work, and you're probably a market socialist.

wew laddy

Your series of shitposts prove you know nothing about communist theory and are just a pretender.

Read one of the books for once: it may cure your love of sucking dick so much.

You do know the baseless assertion the poster is talking about is not ending the whole ending private property thing, but the whole is that Marx's justification was based on equality right?

Are all your personal experiences solely feelings?

This is why I believe the government would have to use force on these businessmen.

Last time I debated this the feeling I got was this. Nazis and Commies are the same we both bitch about some mysterious group of people that are fucking the normal people the elites, Jews, bourgeoisie, bankers, international cliques, transnational crime the 1%. we honestly and truely have the same enemy but for some reason we are pit against each other

If communism isn't morally justified as I did, and is only let to the mere description of the phenomenon of the masses rising to overthrow an exploitative system, then looking at today's society suffices to conclude communism isn't true.

So you are a dumb fuckin Holla Forumsyp.

I never thought I'd agree with a retard, but yes, the communist truth is inexistent in this situation. What is required is for the conditions to the event to be brought that will allow this event to produce the communist truth.

4shared.com/postDownload/eRApAsRice/Introducing_Alain_Badiou__A_Gr.html

Nazis: just kill niggers, jews, and X racial scapegoat of the week and everything will be better! we promise!
Communists: engaging in genocide is damage control / preserving a failing system. we must do away with our nonsensical traditions and change the way that things work.

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What do you think of the argument?

It's stupid. Read Marx.

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well we can quote our most extreme members or come to an understanding. Most people are good people who have the best intentions.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting ethnostates if you truely believe race relations will never heal

Absolutely as retarded as you. Commies are against Capitalism not the bourgeois

Why do you think its stupid?

This doesnt seem to help the discussion at all

Then be a market socialist. Reading your posts it seems you were too stupid to know what that that is when you were a "communist".

Does this help?

We already have a word for that: revolution. Communism is used to describe a classless, stateless, where production is based on use. It's a potential stage of historical development based off of our existing productive forces and the contradictions present in capitalism. There's really no deterministic timescale that it must adhere to. Slave societies and feudalism lasted for thousands of years.

This is discrediting my person not my argument

Read the pdf.

It argues about you: you are blatantly misusing concepts with specific definitions like a good little post modernist.

The justification for ending private property (or more accurately redefining what can and can't be property) is that people should be able to receive the full fruit of their labor.

People being equal has nothing to do with it, Marx knew there were people with better physical and mental ability than others.

How so? this is a discussion mindlessly telling people to read drivel in the hopes they will counter their own argument is a bit foolish

See, this is why I am justified in reporting you. You are an imbecile redditor who cleverly thought you could pass like an ex-communist while having no knowledge, like a man trying to imitate a woman or viceversa. If you feel like doing this idiotic treat again, at least be honest.

Everybody move along, there's nothing to see here.
Retard thought he was a commie back when he was a kid without even knowing what communism is and continues to be a fucking ignoramus now except now he doesn't like the color red anymore.

Fam, you're the one claiming you were a communist without having read a lick of theory. The fact that you abandoned communism isn't an indictment against communism, you're just a lazy idiot.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
^ this seems to sum up most of the autistic fury. please counter the arguments not my character

Not an argument. Why don't you bother reading the post, or are you scared of being shown in your face that you are a disgusting redditor liberal?

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I am countering your arguments, the ones you're giving anyway. You have't given us enough information about what type of communist you were. What you have said shows you didn't understand the ideology you followed.

I believed that people should be motivated by more then just money and that helping the well being of the people as a whole should be good enough. I didnt care much about else besides that concept because I saw it as good and a perfection to be strived for.

Why someone can't exploit a man thanks to simple and non-violent exchange and contracts ?
You need either a moral justification, or to circumvent the problem with a descriptive theory (Marxist theory) that is however subject to falsehood.

So you were a liberal kid who liked LARPing?

Why do Holla Forumstards always pull this out without even knowing what it means.
This is an ad hominem

This describes 95% of the chans userbase. You guys are coming to age in a very hostile political environment which is where this culture of attacking other ideologies to make yours better comes from. I mean this is why you stole Holla Forumss culture because it has the best trolling/debate culture and can normally out influence most others.

definitely conflating that.

t. thinks he's the adult here when he's literally getting schooled on babby politics

Why did you even bother posting this sophistry?

Exchange would be voluntary under pretty much most kinds of socialism. The "voluntary exchange" that occurs under capitalism is weighed immensely in the favor of the property owners and the people who manage on behalf of the property owners. They can basically force their wage-laborers to give up the profits their work brought the business under threat of destitution.

That's a bad reason to support leftism and I'm honestly not surprised that you stopped being one if that's the case.

If you're going to argue honestly stop making assumptions about us and stop being so smug.

So not only you weren't a communism but you are a shill for neoliberalism

nice try bro, alot of people here are over 25/30

Then you're an idiot. This, by the way, is not an ad hominem. I'm just insulting you. An ad hominem is when I say you're wrong because you're an idiot (I'd say it's fair to assume that you're wrong in everything you say and do because you are an idiot, but it isn't a proper argument). In an ad hominem the insult is the argument. I am giving you an argument and on top of that I'm insulting you

Probably a dumb reddit poster from r/Neoliberal that thought he could pull the wool over us larpy commies

When will this bullshit end.

its not "sophistry"

Im not a leftist, did not want hillary to win at all. I was for Bernie then switched to Trump.

I could say the same to you

Not even sure why you think that.

Ill prove my age if you guys prove yours

And you never were faggot

Hue, just because I say I am a former communist does not mean I dont see value in your ideas

Ok now I feel confident enough to say you were definitely not a real leftist and your "conversion" is meaningless.

I also wasn't saying you're a leftist, I was saying you're reason for identifying as one when you did was not a good one.

t. kid who was SHOCKED that obamunnism didn't fix everything

This is honestly a pathetic thread. I must have "left" communism 20 times now, only to realize that the arguments that where persuading me had nothing to due with what Communism actually was. We all grow out of our edgy phase soon enough and become actual Communists (which is honestly a lot more depressing).

I look forward to the day you all fill my shoes

Whatever you say, buddy. I will say that it will probably happen to the tankies.

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but the problem with anarcho-capitalism's moral theory is that it's way to simple in its definition of coercion in that it basically defines coercion as anything violent. But really this is a big problem because it lacks nuance in not taking into account subtler things such as mental abuse and conditioning, economic factors, and other things. IE there's a reason why a child saying yes to sex would be considered coercion by most people because a child is mentally underdeveloped enough to know much about sex while a pair of full grown adults having sex would not be. Also, another question to ask is the question of 'whether or not coercion is justified in some cases or if a Kantian style system of using people as an ends to themselves is moral?' And another question to ask also is the question whether morals even exist and if they are justified?

Also, you probably should state what moral system you lean towards most to avoid confusion in a debate.

Like nothing, he's full of shit. We don't learn as much about burger propaganda but we sure as shit don't learn socialist values.

This is a good post.

I would say I had a pretty normie moral system up until recently. Now I think most people including myself are conditioned at a young age to think certain ways using a reward punishment system. IE the pledge of allegiance is conditioning. now with social media any powerful group can condition the public with bots and retweets. How can morals and culture be argued when it seems we can condition people to believe what ever we want? How can any of us say our beliefs are true when most of the information we consume is built by other people because they want us to think a certain way.

Now look at this

thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1480198-halifax-schools-to-acknowledge-aboriginal-territory-in-daily-announcements

In canada we dont have a pledge of allegiance and it seems powerful groups are doing shit like this to condition our kids towards an ideology. There was no public push for the article above the government just did it, why?

Your post didn't contain a single argument and was full of the smug rhetoric that people who pretend they were communists in their youth. According to you, pretending is being, so I can easily enough say I am a nuclear scientist or the President of the US and I am really am, I guess.

Im matching the tone of the comment im responding to sales tactic.

I'd honestly rather cut off my feet then fill your crocs you waste of jizz.

Stuff like this would be easier to take seriously if I didnt say the same shit 10 years ago.

yeah
I believe you

Classic Holla Forumsedancer. This is my last (You) for (You)

no u

funny

although if you guys want some humour the line I have underline in the picture is part of the first sentence I ever translated from english to russian.

It was some russian dude calling another russian an autist was really funny shit.

You may have been a faggot ten years ago, but it is clear from reading this thread that you were never a communist.

You're exactly the kind of communist that will end up like OP, going on about how Canada teaches "socialist values" and how we'll all end up like you.

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You're an ugly type of communist. The type that will grow out of it and become a sensible leftist or go they way of OP.

xd

i'm only 11 so we'll see

AND THIS BRING US TO OUR FINALLY! After debating this board I am lead to believe your all retarded faggots who just circle around arguing the no true Scotsmen and ad hominem fallacies. You only expose yourself to selective information and can only argue through linking to prebuilt arguments as I mentioned before in this post. the only original thought was from the post I said was good. So enjoy living in the shadow of Holla Forums because without them you would have no reason to exist.

SO AS I GIVE MY FAREWELLS ENJOY THE VIDEO YOU FUCKING EDGY COPY PASTA TEENS!

youtube.com/watch?v=jLiRqUHQ1j0&feature=youtu.be

learn english, ivan.

go you and ur family to goulag

Read a book nigger.

Pathetic
simply pathetic
now fuck off my board normalfag

Oh my God it's him!

Also I wanted to test something. I live in Nova Scotia try to dox me faggots.

why would we want to do that?

Good video, the commies are triggered

Well it's obvious Shia's addiction to human flesh has gone to far

Get gud. No one is buying it.

Did you actually read any theory or were you an edgy liberal who liked hammers and sickles?

…are you glad you're on board fam?

I used to be a communist but then I took a pickaxe to the head. AMA.

Ayyy you be walking the plank m80

Just cost me a bit of gas and a 10 year old flag :^)

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY PUNK ROCK

No, OP does not even know what the value form is.

In addition, No True Scotsman isn't whenever someone claims that X isn't an example of Y. It's when an arbitrary qualifier is added post hoc to a some statement to disqualify counter-examples against it.

For instance:
No Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge
Actually, Angus puts sugar in his porridge
''Well, no true Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge!'

Note that this is very different than a discussion of whether or not Angus is a Scotsman.

Finally, not every insult or question to your character is an ad hominem. It only counts as ad hom if the attack on your character is being used to attempt to disqualify your argument.

Bob is an idiot. -> An insult
Bob is an idiot, therefore his argument is wrong. -> Ad hominem

flounce thread

Can you kill yourself
Why haven't you killed yourself
Why haven't you still not killed yourself?

You little faggots could go buy ur own flag to burn but ur all poor commie faggots who dont have any money.

remember SAGE goes in the email field my neguses

yeah you got us good

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oh shit my dude
this guy is totally not butt-hurt or struggling to salvage his shit attempt at psyops
theirs a joke in here if you can find it

Why are you still here, Reddit?

as expected from a low energy poster from /r/pol. Catch up on some reading with your recovery time, and try harder newfag.
final (you) for the night

It´s about the improvement of our material conditions. Equality has nothing to do with it.

While you're here, would you like some actual theory so you can at least improve your psyop?

Im pretty flattered you consider my shit posting psyops. Im actually just speaking from my personal experience and I knew it would cause you guys to be butt hurt.

We aren´t Holla Forums you heterosexual virgin jew. We do not bother which such nonsense.

Okay, would you like actually theory at least to improve your dubious shitposting?

I'm not Communist…

when will Holla Forums finally just cutoff and redistribute their balls? Oh, I see most of you already have. Well done.

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You entire board has no argument other then ad hominem and no true scotsmen. When people call you our on your fallacies you misconstrue the fallacies. Literal conditioned high school faggots, I cant wait til all this shit is reposted in 5 years when you all grow up and realize what faggots you were.

Ask any one who is over 25 and they will tell you the same thing

"If ur not liberal at 20 you got no heart if ur not conservative by 40 you got no brain"

Enjoy your delusions "useful idiots"

life comes at you fast

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Hahahaha holy shit stay buttmad

You're aware this is a nonsensical truism which is not backed up by any voting records and that people generally hold the same political beliefs through their lives (except for edgy teens), and often pass them on to their children, right?

If its true for me its true for others, I am reaching out to people on this board who are like me : )

Is someone caping the thread? I'm downloading the video.

counter-bumping

I'm 26 my man.

I'm still a communist because I actually read theory.

Also because I have a job and the economy is still shit and probably about to get a whole lot worse, so the home-ownership middle class American Dream meme is well out of my reach and will likely only drift further and further away, so there's little temptation to sell out and become a tepid liberal like so many generations before.

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fuck off comrade HOOT HOOT

Those pdfs, you should read them. They may cure your redditish imbecility. But you won't: you are just edgy conservatives.

Still cant come up with original arguments can only autistically point to previous points made my better men.

also

You should actually learn what fallacies actually are before trying to cite them. "Ad hominem" isn't any argument that hurts your fee fees.

But I argued against you. You are shutting off your ears because your ass is in flames. Like really, what is even there to argue to? You didn't make a single argument that hasn't been refuted, and your other statements are just mere platitudes which are below sophistry.

What did you hope to get as responses to this?

And you think that once all socioeconomic discrepancies are eliminated, that all races and peoples can all live productively together in the same communities and societies?

I-I shouldn't have to read any theory, you should just have to repeat the same theory a thousand time to hostile brainlets
If you're confused right now, the people here are basically accusing you of acting out in bad faith. The request that you read this theory is a request that you either prove that you're here in good faith or to get out.

Yep.

this thread is so stupid

And once all every nationalist has been killed

Look man I get being told that your wrong doesn't feel good and I know you're being clever and funny, but you're not very good at taking criticism. As much as I was hoping that this thread was in good faith I know now that you are not as mature as you think. I know that you probably think that everyone here just dogmatic and that we're out for your blood and while there are definitely those kind of people and by the those kind of people are in every movement, but seriously you don't understand what you're talking about. I know that you probably have your personal experiences, but I also I have my experiences when it comes to people who are Marxists or former Marxists to know that there are lot of people that just jump into the radical left without knowing anything only to become liberals or conservatives when they grow up. I'm sorry to tell you this, but you do seem to fit.
Sure you may have been a communist for 10 years or something like that, but don't think that automatically makes you above ignorance. In fact pretty much almost every human within mainstream politics jumps into things without really understanding anything about the ideas behind them and look where that's gotten us into. Do you really think that protecting your ego and not admitting your lack of knowledge? No, all it will do is make you a worse human being as well as make society worse off by reinforcing an attitude many people including leftist have.
I know you'll probably just ignore this as a post from a delusional commie, but remember that you didn't even give a critique of communism all you did was say that it was personal experience which you did not talk about that changed your mind and you also seemed to come to a board thinking that we haven't heard from former leftist before who have shown their ignorance through not having even basic knowledge of theory for example: the surprising amount former communists who thought that the state having total control is communism. We aren't doing this out of a sense of threatened ego we questioned your legibility because we've seen too many people who think that they know everything about leftism only to leave due to ignorance instead of leaving out of reason. It is not an ad hominem to criticize a person as an individual. It is an ad hominem if one is arguing about ideas/reasons and they only insult people instead of actually dealing with their ideas which by the way you have sadly not presented many ideas/reasons other than vague ones. Please if you're going to leave at least understand what you're leaving as well as other points of view around you before making your choice and be humble. That is all that I ask of you.

Also, I wrote this post which you'll probably hate now.

Then how do you explain White Flight?

And you wonder why the working class hate you people.

nigger no they don't. Now are you going to actually discuss something, or shit up this board?

SO let me get this right… You claimed you were a former communist yet you didn't know basic marxist concepts. Neither did you debate anything, you basically dodged all the serious questions ITT and responded to the shitposts. You made a huge effort to ignore all the good subsequent posts and then proceeded to post a bunch of baseless claims. It seems you're an edgy liberal who thought Holla Forums would be full of edgy liberals and instead you got schooled.

Somebody's triggered.

No they don't care about their country or no they don't hate Communists? You should be more specific.

I mean, I was just shitposting because this entire thread and basically devolved into nonsense. My actual position on the matter is different

commie scum degenerates will be purged, AGAIN

Also when did I claim that people liking their country and race are the reason the West is in decline?

Nice reddit spacing faggot.

The longer this thread goes on the more incompetent you show yourself to be

go back to worshiping lauren southern and pepe you pathetic faggot

Within American society, blacks are associated with poverty. They serve as a sort of frightening subaltern used to brow beat the White working class into line with bourgeois interests.

I live in the South. My father and grandfather grew up in the Segregation period. The white working class was trampled and spat upon by a small aristocracy that had been the de facto rulers of the southern states since before slavery. Starvation and malnutrition were common, and many parts of the region existed in third world conditions. The white working class never rose up against this aristocracy (and, to a degree, never have) because they and their puppets in the state and the church filled the masses with fear of black hordes that only they were keeping at bay. Any advance for the working class was spun as blacks taking from whites. The KKK even helped break up unions and the myth of "blacks get welfare while whites pay taxes" is still common.

White supremacy has never helped the working man and never will. It's a ruling class ideology.

Though your pics from Detroit have fuck all to do with that. Detroit's economy packed its bags and left. Show me any town that had its whole economy leave and didnt become a horrid shithole.

I reported you because you didn't make an argument and resorted to shitposting. We have plenty of ancaps and nazis that don't get banned because they actually try to argue points.

Holy kek he uploaded another video
youtube.com/watch?v=A20BprGjmu8

Have we broke this mans mind?

what is he even doing in this video?

Then they call you degenerates while doing this…

I don't humor your pinkos ideology
guess you're more of the authoritarian flavor

He's showing the flag who's boss by throwing the rope rungs on it into his toilet.

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retards out

how old are you op?

Why havent you killed yourself yet?

mad

may I ask for age and proof of said age because most people here are well over 25 so this meme wont work, maybe back on leddit where they actually care to do AMA fam

bump THIS, BITCH,

OP here
sorry guys I came off my meds can any of you send me anuddah flag
:DDDDDDDD

LEFTYPOL BTFO
HOW WILL WE EVER RECOVER
:dddd

You made pedobear you idiot.

You hope for a traitor that endorses Clinton?