That's how cults of personality work you fucking moron. Most of the people in those polls never lived under Stalin anyway so their opinion is irrelevant.
Camden Perry
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Joshua Fisher
wrong pic here u go
Dominic Wood
The media when it comes to people who lived under Stalin who had positive opinions of Stalin by people who lived under him
Charles Taylor
WAKE ME UP
Grayson Perry
I CANT WAKE UP
Btw first image PPP is garbage from the perspective of any practical capitalist and not that useful for calculating real wages or what real wages should be (read Williams). Plus nominal value is what counts when it comes to any kind of global trading but besides that I imagine with low-oil and commodity prices Russia and the other successor states of the Soviet Union are doing worse then the graph which stops at 2014 would indicate
Carson Mitchell
Look at how happy everyone was that the big evil USSR was gone!
russian nationalist sentiment/mythology pushed by the state is proof of what exactly
Benjamin Garcia
There's been mass nostalgia for Soviet Russia since before Putin got into power m80. It's part of why he pays lip service to its aesthetics and its geopolitical advantages in the first place. People will always gush over rhetorical flourishes like that even if its a capitalist like Putin, who stands in opposition to everything Marxism-Leninism is, spouting them off, particularly when he's an economic nationalist who doesn't mind talking shit on the USA.
My point is that the current State in Russia only endorses the nostalgia because it was already there in the first place not the other way around. It's like how Trump pretended he was isolationist during the campaign and does things every once in a while like drawing down support for Al-Qaeda in Syria or killing TPP and talking on NATO, cuz that attitude already exists in large segments of the US working class and for empirically good reasons
Yes. I didn't claim nostalgia was nonexistent before the state began capitalizing on it.
Easton Flores
Moreso my point is that it was more nationalistic in flavor.
Christian Diaz
Than what is your argument?
Luke Collins
Do I have to spell it out? It has v little to do with a longing to return to communist rule among Russians but muh stronk russian leader got a bad rap by the ebin west. See: Putin's near unanimous approval rating.
Matthew Walker
Even though Stalin, as we know, was Georgian lel.
Joshua Jones
imagine you were a bolshevik of moderate renown who was friendly with Stalin in 1934 now imagine being a rotting corpse in 1936 after doing literally nothing wrong
Zachary Wright
That's kind of the fucking aim of a cult of personality. The polls show how effective Stalin's was.
Jose Ross
The worker gets a shitty little apartment while the political class relax in their dachas away from all the filth.
The Soviet Union was made up entirely of bureaucrats and bootlickers. That's why nobody raised a finger when it broke apart, the people were bred into servile little proles that wouldn't dare question the State.
Jacob Morris
People like him because they miss the USSR.
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William Brown
shit, sorry for labeling that "karl radek" i look retarded nao
Hudson Wright
Yeah, at least Stalin wouldn't tolerate muzzie grooming gangs
Carter Allen
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Owen Cox
So you/re telling me that Putin teaches little Russian children that Stalin was the great savior and capitalism is bad? K m8
He wouldn't tolerate nazis either
Xavier Torres
Yeah, but the UK doesn't tolerate nazis and it has muzzie grooming gangs so…
Juan Adams
anyone who has ever read a book in his life knows the: "stalin was ebil he killed 77 quadrillion people" shit they pushed down kids throats in american middle schools is bullshit
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Jayden Foster
how to abolish commodity form in one country pls
Nathan Wright
Exactly why "socialism in one country" is so stupid.
Evan Butler
ok, then what do if revolution only happens in one or a few countries?
Colton Rivera
You support socialist groups and revolutions internationally instead of making deals with bourgeois nation-states. Of course, Stalin didn't care about socialism so much as he cared about maintaining his own power
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Austin Garcia
Also, you can't force a fucking world revolution to happen no matter how much you support other socialist groups. The communist world revolution that people had hoped for didn't happen, and it wouldn't have happened even if the USSR sent more money and guns and shit to communist parties in Europe. And at some point you need to accept that and work from that position. That doesn't mean you shouldn't support revolutionary movements where they pop up, but you need to also make the best out of the situation. You can't sit around and wish for world wide revolution to happen and have no fucking plan of what to do in the meantime in the countries where revolution actually did happen.
>On the other hand, since the rule of the bourgeoisie has been overthrown, the main task is to organise the development of the country. Lenin
also Lenin
I don't know what you're specifically referring to here but if you want to survive, you need to compromise sometimes. You should read Lenin's "Left wing communism: an infantile disorder" even though it doesn't deal with this subject directly. Remaining pure doesn't mean shit if it also means your downfall. What would you want them to have done, that wouldn't have meant getting crushed? Declare war on every capitalist country? That sure would've been "principled" or whatever but at the same time really fucking stupid.
Jordan Baker
It really didn't though. Allying with the Republic against the anarchist revolution is certainly one of the worst examples pure ideology. wew Communist parties in nation-states that the USSR was looking to have friendly relationships with ended up supporting said states instead of organizing against them and agitating for socialism.
Eli Garcia
Lmao no that's not what I meant. Of course people in power have influence, but surely you agree that you can't force a revolution by throwing money and weapons on it? Or is it your position that if it wasn't for le stupid stalin there would've been successful communist revolutions all over Europe and North America?
Landon Garcia
Zizek supports welfare capitalism btw
Colton Wilson
yes, yes what an amazing cult of eprsonality having the title of the dictator that killed most people, the image of everything wrong with communism used by the US and their lap dogs so people don't like communism. Fuck off you dumb cunt. Stalin was a truly great men and if you can't grasp it…well it means that the likes of you would've problably died in a gulag as well you fucking useless cunt. Because like my great grandmother used to say "Stalin only killed corrupted people, he never messed me or with your great grandfather, because we were hardworkers and honest people".
If you are innocent then you have nothing to fear
Josiah Collins
support in what way? welfare capitalism is certainly better than non-welfare capitalism
Ethan Turner
no. because if there is no welfare people will get angry and there will be a war soon. Welfare capitalism, people receive some bread crums every month which is enough to pay internet bill and get drunk or smoke weed to ease the pain while porky fucks them in the ass everyday.
Angel Morales
The Stalin's finger anecdote is horribly misunderstood. Stalin was not confessing to the deaths of 10 million people, he was confessing to the deaths of ten [i]billion[/i] people.
Kevin Flores
having the left deliberately push against reform sounds like a good way to get fascism tbh
Brandon Murphy
Using 'leftcom' terminology, it appears that the ML states of the past and present were focussed on building a platform for the transition from capitalism to a postcapitalist society. Is the eventual regression of most of the regimes towards market-based economies an inherent failure of the ML programme (for our current and past social-material condition)? Why were the regimes allowed to drift rightwards?
Jayden Rivera
By 'postcapitalist' I mean a society which is post-market (financial and social) and includes post-bourgeois culture and philosophy as an indicator of the former.
Jace Sullivan
Yay, hail nationalism and useless nostalgia, that are totally not promoted by the Russian establishment to further blind and oppress the proletariat!!!
Gabriel Green
Literally every LibSoc is just a liberal in denial wew
Jackson Williams
L I T E R A L L Y Not an argument
Bentley Cox
This is such a petty complaint. The gap between what even the highest cadres and the lowliest of workers got, was a fraction of what we see under capitalism. Someone who makes 200,000 a year will live in greater luxury than Stalin did by comparison - that was the extent of their wealth gap.
Jonathan Mitchell
Using actual facts about the USSR is pointless, left anti-communists literally just ignore them and go "Yeah well they were too nice to Hitler!" and so on
Bumping to turn this into a /tankie/ general
Leo Wilson
I don't think that though, the Soviet Union was socialist and lifted millions out of poverty, the Soviet Union's pre-stagnation years were one of humankind's greatest accomplishments imo
Ayden Powell
Which is it m8?
Angel Lewis
the USSR was socialism, socialism does not mean the abolition of commodity production
Jason Hill
Than what are we arguing about fam?
Joshua Evans
idk all i said was that welfare capitalism is preferable to non welfare capitalism
Thomas Cook
I think that making alliances with the bourgeois against socialist worker movements is most certainly a major impediment to revolution. Spain would have become another socialist country if it were not for the fact that Stalin preferred the bourgeois republic to the socialist CNT
Isaac Perez
That's not the same poster as
Carson Adams
I highly doubt that, but I admit I'm not that knowledgeable on the spanish civil war. Didn't the CNT only ever have any power in Catalonia (and even there they were struggling)? What makes you so sure all of Spain would've become socialist if it wasn't for le ebul stalin man?
Christopher Diaz
You don't know about Lysenkoism do you? How could you say somthing like that if you did…
Samuel Martinez
The Revolution started in Catalonia, but the reason why it did not spread was due to the fact that they decided to fight with the republic against Franco. The Republic, with Stalin as it's chief ally, fought not just against franco but against the Anarchists by denying them proper weapons and by dismantling their militias, which at the time was one of the larger forces fighting against franco. If Stalin had been allied and supported the Anarchists against the Republic and Franco, then the revolution would have spread throughout spain and Franco would have been defeated
Colton Stewart
Nigga are you retarded? What was the entire Wehrmacht structure imported from the remains of the Third Reich into the DDR? What was the Operation Paperclip counterpart? What was the relaxed de-Nazification of Eat Germany?
