Haha neoliberals are showing their true colors, showing outrage to Trump banning trannies from the US military

yeah dude the US military which exists right now isn't led by hawks and used to brutally destroy any opposition to amerikkkan kkkapitalist hegemony

This is true, but we are talking about the AMERICAN MILITARY here, not some small army geared towards self defense. It is inseparable from America's role as the preeminent imperialist power.

Yes, but this thread is about the US army (if the inclusion of "Trump" didn't make that clear).

The US army is currently engaged in 7 illegal wars. To agree with >>1904069's sentiment – cuties don't have to take part in the imperialist war machine.

It's pretty shitty how many poor people feel compelled to join the army to get housing, healthcare, and education. If not joining the army means they can't get these things – don't be mad at the army, be mad at the politicians.

Fuck man, my trans friend was just talking to me the other day about how that might be the only way they can leave their parents house. Kind of sad to see this in the news. I'm as against our big as fuck military as any other leftist, including my aforementioned friend, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice. I guess that option is closed for more people now.

i cant imagine what mindset would make someone believe that overbearing parents are worse than uh, overbearing surrogate parents who you have to kill and die for

This
If trans people had more employment opportunities I wouldn't really care about this but as of now it's one of there only steady options.

I didn't say that. But if something bad happens you'll be fucked without an army. With eathquakes and tornado's you need an army like force to help and solve problems quickly. Japan gets pretty fucked up each time a earthquake happens and having no army to go around with.

Yes and US army helps with natural disasters.

I think you're underestimating how bad parents can be

Yeah, don't let the trans shit distract us all from the russia hearing today!

Most trans I've met online (twitter) have been reactionary as fuck.

You're just a transphobe.

army like force… so… not an army exclusively. perhaps you could have a labor army to help people rather than murder them

The military is not a "steady option". It's blood money. That's like saying gangbanging is a steady option.

Yes, which is what the army already does. They help more people out than they murder people. Good job.

Twitter is a cesspool of hillbots. It's not representative of anything except that you're terrible at judging selection bias.

unless, of course, they're part of imperialist hegemony… damn,

Are you talking about the military that blows up hospitals on a regular basis?

Prove it. Then again they also build more advance hospitals in the country they are.

holy shit is this guy actually defending the us military. i thought he was just throwing out stupid hypotheticals

I want simple proof. I only defend them because they do also help people out, be it in their own country or not.

buddy you might want to find another board no offense

So asking for proof for some claim is not allowed now? Come on.

Holy shit I just got banned from the Chapo Trap House discord for saying that it's a good thing that trans people can't serve in the army

the whole channel ganged up on me defending the military and then they axed me

CHAPO TRAP HOUSE = IDPOL NEOLIBERAL SCUM

Are you fucking with me right now?

I've read SICP and did almost all the exercises!

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i didn't make the claim and i have no stake in propping it up but to defend the military at all is a bit uhhh OFF for a leftist board

He's saying that because you're an idiot who clearly doesn't post here. How many articles proving you wrong do you want, fam? There are dozens.

That's basically what you are saying. Noted.

If you make a claim you better come with some sort of proof. Which never happens.

When you are banned from a discord server, you cannot view channel logs. Sorry, I would share them, but their arguments were like "well the army paid for my useless dumbass cousin to go college so it's actually a Good Thing"

the US army is literally nationalism, imperialism, islamophobia, etc etc all rolled together

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Buckle up.

doctorswithoutborders.org/article/eastern-aleppo-23-attacks-hospitals-july-no-hospital-left-undamaged
cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/u-s-airstrike-hospital-afghanistan-investigation/index.html
zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-08/80-countries-just-slammed-us-over-habit-bombing-hospitals
pbs.org/newshour/bb/did-afghan-troops-manipulate-the-u-s-into-bombing-doctors-without-borders-hospital/
theintercept.com/2015/10/07/a-short-history-of-u-s-bombing-of-civilian-facilities/
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
alternet.org/world/increasingly-horrible-truths-about-brutal-us-hospital-bombings
npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/28/476064028/syria-hospital-bombing-are-the-rules-of-war-blowing-up
amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/15/us-bombed-yemen-middle-east-conflict

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike?wprov=sfla1

Can't wait to hear how this isn't good enough, doesn't count, etc

i don't quite appreciate the strawman you're constructing my man i just think you'd be better suited somewhere else where your beliefs won't be thrashed by fervent disbelievers

So nine out of how many?

The fuck? Out of how many what?

bro it's okay they didn't bomb 10 hospitals so they are still a good thing and not a bad thing

Hospitals of course. Also count in the hospitals they have rebuild and build in said countries.

I didn't say that.

Why don't you count them faggot, since it's your counter-argument.

Obviously everyone agrees that the US army is the single most imperialist force in the world and should be destroyed as an institution, but it survives because it preys on groups of proles that often have no other options by design. It's not like the police where power hungry dickwads elect to join the force to live out their power tripping fantasies.

This is actually a pretty consistent pattern and not one solely evident in the US, which is why in many rebellions/uprisings in history the army defects before the cops do.

Is it okay to kill a person if I have two kids?

I hope somebody bombs your fucking house but "it's okay" because they build you a shack to live in fifteen miles away.
Fucking faggot, get the fuck off this board.

Oh so you're a homophobe now too. My only argument was that the army doesn't only kill.

usmilitary.com/4946/hospital-renovations-assist-baghdad/

usmilitary.com/1335/basrah-childrens-hospital-moves-forward/

usmilitary.com/3802/coalition-completes-basra-hospital/

usmilitary.com/2903/army-corps-engineers-rebuild-hospital/

usmilitary.com/6138/new-court-house-opens-in-baghdad/

abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130209

Totally trustworthy sources! Also, you dropped your flag, here you go, you cunt.

That's not what I mean

People talked about hospitals, not the dead people from said bombings.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

your claim was they help people more than they murder them which, i dont know, i think that's pretty laughable on its face given any education in history or simple observance of the past 20 years

I legitimately don't even know what point you're making anymore and I'm 60% sure you're just here to fuck with us.

This had better be bait

Sure showed me.

That's a really slimey and disingenuous argument my dude.

I was talking about natural disaster and the rebuilding of shit. You only think the army kills, which is false.

Then don't respond, easy.

How so? I'm against any kind of phobia.

Read better

most trans people are probably awkward/depressed autists who barely go outside at all.

Yeah, does he think all the hospitals were empty? What the fuck?

Fuck off, shill. Seriously, get out. Nobody is buying what you're selling, faggot.

You talked about hospitals, not about casualties.

Hello Holla Forums

my dude you are backpeddling which is not very useful in a discussion in which you can look at previous statements. anyways i hope you have a great day and enjoy the boot polish

If i was backpedaling I wouldn't keep going on

That's some backpedaling alright.

This fucker is the same one responsible for

So I think his butt deserves a more severe blistering.

There's literally nothing bad about banning trans people from the military. In fact they should ban women too. And immigrants. And blacks. Everyone for that matter; the military should ban itself.

w e w

I agree completely!

And people from poor backgrounds. As people have mentioned in this thread, poor people sign up so they can get housing/ healthcare/ education. predatory af and a messed up system

If you live with an abusive father and mentally ill mother with violent outbursts a military desk job away from them seems pretty enticing

you don't need to be part of an organization that slaughters people to get a job, bro

True I'm just saying that a lot of people see a job with benefits and a place to stay FAR away from them as a good way out. Personally I wouldn't because I know the military is a disgusting blood factory but your average burger doesn't think that way.

The military is pretty much the only way to not drown in debt after college. If you want stupid proles with no combat skills then this a great thing for you, but you are serving porky's interest by dividing the worker and keeping them subservient to capitalism.

So all these people are out of a job in capitalism where they're discriminated against, and you're cheering that on like it's a victory for socialism?

It's really not. Sure it's more of the same shit.

But throwing a bunch of people who usually aren't employable because of lax discrimination laws in most states to the wolves just isn't a victory.

Even if you think it's funny. These people usually seek government jobs because the private sector just isn't willing to hire them. Without this, what, beat someone when they're already down? That doesn't seem right to me.

Basically this
We should oppose the discrimination and taking away of income for people who put in the work. Not defend the military

There are more government jobs than ones associated with bombing hospitals.

kill yourself

Honestly America is going to be as hot and inhospitable in 20 years anyways and dicks are pretty annoying and just get in the way.

Why not

I'm perfectly comfortable with my penis maybe you would not want to cut it off if you weren't taking estrogen totally necrotizing your penile tissue.

I'm not supporting the US military. I'm in fact, saying that what we should be doing is changing the situation so people don't find the military an attractive option because of its benefits.

And that requires we change a lot if we continue to discriminate. If we don't, perhaps there's less people actually working for the US government. I mean

The question isn't whether it's immoral or not but what exactly do we do from here

Probably because it's small.

oh shit, it necrotizes your dick? ive never heard such a thing. why must we pay for peepee removal then

I mean that sounds like a good idea to because the US is going to suck shit within my lifetime. I'm not really afraid of dying much. I mean it's going to happen anyways.

And if you don't have a dick over 6 inches you're probably going to have an opinion your dick is probably a comfortable size. Not all of us have this. You're comfortable with your penis because it's small and you are afraid of death.

You sound like a pussy actually. Small penis coward.

Nah it doesn't. And most trans people don't even go through invasive surgery anyways and still have a dick after HRT, the idea HRT usually involves wholesale surgery is a pretty pervasive myth.

Why did you delete and repost your post I already responded to? That's pretty dumb

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So do you have any actual arguments or…?

The statement will likely result in an increase of transphobic act.
Most activists who are for the right to indifference - the right to be treated exactly the same as other people - are upset.

Fascist program 101
Destroy all 'jobs'
the only jobs are in military / security
turn on your brothers and sisters
ignore the ones pulling the strings at the top
welcome to Chiraq

I wouldn't expect a Holla Forumstard to have any arguments.

thats fine

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I think the historical record actually demonstrates that fascists create better economic outcomes than liberals
unless they are liberal fascists like pinochet

Seems nice.

I mean go ahead and join there's really nothing stopping you.

OP you are dead right.
It reminds me of the whole fag marriage thing.

Im sure a lot of it was spearheaded by homophobes who simply want fags to be trapped and miserable like everyone who is married.

I'm not trans and I support Israel less than you do, next "argument" please

We have like, four? Five mods?

I gotta say with a force that powerful that's pretty based. I gotta hand it to the Jews for this.

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Huh?