Was the Confederacy proto-Fascist?

The confederacy actually had a lot of proto-communist elements. Read Powell.

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What did he mean by this?

they dont

Golden Circle crap too

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I don't think it makes much sense to call even "proto-Fascist" an American phenomenon of the 1860s. Besides, its economy was definitely not corporatist because that implies state-led administrative centralization of labor relations and it just wasn't the case.

They weren't corporatist. And the whole thing about racism is one sided cause it totally overlooks the North's racism. The reason they opposed slavery was primarily out of their own sense of racism believe it or not, the international slave trade was sponsored by the North until the Civil War even though it was made illegal under federal law in 1808.
slavenorth.com/exclusion.htm
As for expanding territory, haven't you heard of manifest destiny? It wasn't an exclusively southern thing just like how slavery wasn't, there were a few slave states like Kentucky and Maryland that sided with the union. Only reason slavery was abolished was to get rid of blacks after the war ended but Lincoln was assassinated and Andrew Johnson foiled all hopes as to maintain the labor supply in the South via sharecropping.

WE MUST DEFEND COMRADE JEFFERSON DAVIS IN HIS FIGHT AGAINST U.S. IMPERIALIST AGGRESSION!

Well I mean, being a Southerner can have some real benefits when it comes to seeing the transparent struggle of the workers and how our region was always getting done wrong by Yankee corporations. Just look at the strip mine companies and what they did to Appalachian families. Being Southern also entails a history of disunity within the working class especially along racial lines, but once you start seeing that it isn't the niggers that are starving Appalachian children to death or working Southern people's bones to dust, but Capitalism that does this, you realize how much potential there is here in Dixieland to redirect all that nigger hate to Porky hate and start up a Communist movement.

Also, if a Communist movement was to gain any kind of traction, it'd have to be because of real Southerners, and not Capetbagging Yankee or California transplants. Outsiders aren't welcome here, and for good reason.

Fascism arises when communism threatens capitalism, so nah.

"No"
That doesn't mean it was in any way defensible though. I'm coming over to the view that Fascism really does have to be viewed through the lens as a sort of crazy cancerous relative of socialist ideas, a-la the intellectual development of the Italian fascists. Perhaps with even some reasonable distinctions to be made within fascism. (Since the word has more meanings than the Victims of Communism memorial foundation has bullshit statistics.)

But then my laziness sets in. I'm not going to read some Italian fascist tomes just so I can go "Ah yes, clearly these guys were semi-serious to begin with while Hitler was just a chancer."

It's very easy to sympathise with the side that loses.
Also, I mean, most of the cool parts of America are in the South.

Being a Brit I am somewhat inclined to this view now though. Maybe if America was split in half (or shackled to slave-labour-farming for longer, delaying economic development) then British global dominance could've continued. (Which is of course more desirable for everyone because something something 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧reasons🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 .)

>reasons
Do they have anything to do with Soc Dem gang?

then it was not fascist by definition
aka uniting nation along conventional lines INCLUDING ETHNIC DIFFERENCES

I live in the south. What the fuck are you talking about.

If the confederacy wasn't fascist then Nazi Germany wasn't either.

Maybe.
Yes.

I mean don't get me wrong, when I say cool I'm including the impression that driving around a rural area at night as a city person you're likely to simply disappear…

But I mean, even if it's because "They shot their own sign!" Alabama makes the list of places I recognize exist (cool) whereas I'd probably think Vermont was in Canada if I wasn't looking at a map of US states right now to find northern ones that aren't New York state, Maine or D.C. (Not cool.)

Succs are the worst posters tbh

Inclined to agree purely for that one really thirsty guy who pops up from time to time.

Thanks fam

Thanks fam

That's pretty cool, what do they call that effect?

The curvature is a lens distortion, the red is just using the colourise tool, and the blinding-light sort of effect is sparkle. At least in GIMP.

There are like 3-4 layers of the same image set with different options (lighten only, grain merge, etc.) then the lens distort is applied and the SocDem Gang logo on top in a new layer.

Actually it had more in common with mercantile capitalist systems like imperial Britain than antique societies. Just because a society has slavery does not make it = classical antiquity society.

This. A lot of white southerners are mad af not because they lost their slaves (most didn't own slaves) but because so many people fucking died. As far as the confederacy was concerned, they had every right to secede from the Union to make their own country with blackjack and hookers. A lot of southerners see it as a great hypocrisy that the north decided secession was illegal when the USA was founded on basically the same logic. Slavery was a key issue if not the key issue, but politically the north had been fucking with the south a lot in the lead-up to the civil war. Lincoln basically won without the south and this was the pinnacle of regional animosity at the time. And when you add on top of all this the brutality of the war and reconstruction (which almost exclusively targeted poor people instead of plantation owners), southerners very understandably felt wronged.

What utter bullshit.

t. Southerner

how so?
t. genuinely curious damnyankee

Funny, I've live in the south for 20 years & I'd say there's zero chance of educating the average person down here into hating porky rather than the "niggers & muslims" scapegoat. They are violent, aggressively stupid people.

Not everyone that supports the Confederacy is a racist - But all racists support the Confederacy.

I hate the term "racist" because its overused, but it needs to be said when talking about the Confederacy.

The alt-right is getting to ya!

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American Imperialism would’ve never happened or it would never of been so big if the country was split in two. Also if the South won it’s likely America would’ve balkanized.

It's more common now, but at the time you got massive desertion rates & revolts in the confederacy of proles who were pissed that they were being made to fight for plantation owners and the like.

The KKK & Redshirts were petty booj, not really working class, and the reconstruction didn't hit the poor more than the rich, that's nonsense.

I'm also at a loss as to why other people argue the South was discriminated against by the political system. The South had an outsized influence over the US government, especially when you include copperheads into the mix.

muh guns

That's not true. several 14/88 larpers on Holla Forums think Lincoln was their guy because he wanted to take blacks back to Africa, also they claim Jews were the biggest slave owners/traders.

The South's economy was greatly harmed by tariffs and other nation-building industrialist measures persued by Federalists/Northerners.
The nullification crisis comes to mind.
Saying that the Confederacy happened just because muh evil racists is dumb.

>Also if you want a good video on why the Libertarian Party in the USA loves the Confederacy and its aesthetics so much and its ties to fascism this is a pretty good one: youtube.com/watch?v=wB3MkTXPJ8Q&t=127s

von Mises's defense of the quote from &t=146s: mises.org/blog/mises-fascism-again

Video was interesting though. I learned about the bonus army in 9th grade, but not of that related "plot."

Yes, that's why they had so many Freemasons in their midst and loved Jews.

Are you lolbert or a liberal or just fucking stupid?

if they would've won AmeriKKKa wouldn't have it's global geopolitical hegemony

Masons are statist but not fascist.

Mussolini was shagging a jewish mistress.

He wasn't even anti-semitic despite the Jewish laws that were passed.

It's like the libertarian argument for abolishing traffic light laws. In theory it's doable, but in practice, in order for things to be safe, you would need to build roundabouts which cost more than stop light intersections.

The Confederacy was more similar to Feudalism. It upholded an agrarian, aristocratic, manorial system. The Northern US was probably closer to Fascism, in that it was industrial, alienating, and corporate. In that sense, even Marx- who obviously saw the exploitation of labour in the Northern US- rightfully gave Abraham Lincoln confidence in his winning over the Southern US.
jacobinmag.com/2012/08/lincoln-and-marx
Fascism was the natural progression of the form of Capitalism practiced in the Northern US and elsewhere in industrialized Europe.

dumb.
The Confederacy came into being via secession.
Secession's reasons were noted in the Declarations of Secession.
Almost every Declaration of Secession mentioned slavery as a reason for seceding.

Cleverer "Identitarian" (Fascist, Racist, Eugenicists, take your pick) revisionists would also argue that Lincoln was the true leader of American Whites by harming the supposedly Jewish slave trade, uniting the country in opposition to meddling Old World powers, pushing "Manifest Destiny" Westward Expansion, and by supporting industrialization. If I were to give a rough analogy: Lincoln was Franco; David was Gil-Robles.

…what does fascism have to do with jews?