Neoutopianism

It isn’t just dreaming up a utopia, but figuring out how to make sure things run better then they did under capitalism once your put into power.

Catalonia

Yeah I know and it ended up hurting the movement as a whole when Lenin seized state power and suddenly had to work to achieve socialism.

Correct. It exists when people are fighting for it, when the fight for the it has been won, the it disappears as well.

Read Looking Backward 2000-1887 nibba.

Workers' councils arose organically in any and all proletarian revolutions. The concept of a vanguard party was developed when the Russian social democratic movement was confronted with the concrete conditions of tsarist oppression.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. If anything it would've taken a lot of "work to achieve" some previously drawn up utopia, rather than looking at what was happening in Russia and in the world (especially Germany) at the time and forming your policies based on that.

Yup. Google Bookchin. Also, Marxism failed at differentiating itself from utopian socialism and """""scientific socialism""""" doesn't exist.

Bit more to it than that my dude. Like the whole "oh shit the rest of the country hates us now wtf thanks stalin" thing the CNT and POUM got hit with.

Read this book, please. I don't get tired of posting it, btw
libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=418934B6243C5928DDB07F0EEA55192D

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If the NKVD's action weren't the "If Only", there would have been another "If Only".

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and this is why idpol is ruining socialist causes

Exactly but workers councils also will have to develop as the revolution settles down, and having a plan is necessary when that happens or your councils will just die. So you have a plan, a realistic plan as you say. But that plan needs to be described and take consider long term consequences. Merely reacting to the developments is stupid.

what a great strawmen

If I understand rightly, Marx won't provide descriptions of socialism because:
1. present people and what we can think are effects of the system we live in, and therefore can't even imagine a different system,
2. historical materialism is based on observed historical facts, but socialism hadn't yet been observed in Marx's day except nascently,
3. Marx opposed attempts to blueprint and mould a new society, because he believed such a society had to arise spontaneously from the historical process.

Most Marxists follow Marx in this, but it weakens Marxism because it raises suspicions of ulterior motives, and makes social-democrats look more realistic.

Non-Marxist socialists have created clearer (and not necessarily dogmatic) models of how they want/expect post-revolutionary society to work. Kropotkin and Bookchin have been mentioned, in the anarchist tradition there are also works of this kind by Bakunin, P.M.'s Bolo'Bolo, Ward's Anarchy in Action, Gelderloos' Anarchy Works and others. There are socialist utopias by people like William Morris, HG Wells, etc.

I think we can specify the broad outlines of post-revolutionary society from the contours of past and present social movements, past and present stateless/marketless societies, and non-state non-market organisations. Worker control of factories (if they still exist after robotisation), skunkworks everywhere, free services, free pools of goods, people living in supportive communities, legalised piracy, everyone has a house or caravan or whatever… a cross between 1970s Sweden, an Occupy camp, the Paris Commune, and the squatters' movement.

To seem more realistic, I think it makes less sense to talk about "what will society be like" and more sense to talk about potential alternatives (in the plural) in each particular area of everyday life and social policy. In education for instance there's deschooling, homeschooling, unschooling, Freirean critical pedagogy, indigenous pedagogies, consciousness raising, the Summerhill model, craft-based learning, play-learning, the Sugata Mitra model, etc. In housing there's self-build, eco-villages, nomadism, integrated work/home spaces, popular neighbourhoods like in El Alto, various modernist projects such as the design of Stalingrad, etc.

What’s unschooling and deschooling.

We are giving them a better option already: closed borders, gulags for the rich and their families, and people's militias patrolling the streets to purge undesirables.

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I think utopia and program are complementary.
The program address to reason, immediate needs, present-day problems and how we solve them.
The utopia address to emotions, dreams and long term aspirations.
Psychologically, for some people the program comes first and leads to utopian long term dreams. For others, dreaming about utopia leads to the way of making it real, namely the program.
I don't see any reason to neglect the ones or the others, as long as they end up to actually fight for socialism.