Rojava General: Still no Cyclical? Edition

Damage control implies something damaging has been posted

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If nothing damaging has been posted then why all this damage control?

Footage from the recent attack on Efrin
youtube.com/watch?v=eiGlp11oe1w

The same logic applies to Assad you know

American takes credit for everything 3rd edition huh?
The SDF was formed straight out of the structures of 'Euphrates Volcano' and other such joint FSA-YPG military councils/alliances not some spontaneous US recommendation. The SDF was formed mostly because of the YPG taking more Arab lands and wanted to justify having a wider say in the political future of Syria.

I honestly don't know why the SDF being a front so the YPG can get weapons from burgerland would even be a big deal tbh. Still has nothing to do with how their system is set up

And the Soviets were allied with the Americans to defeat the Axis powers. Whats your point? They're literally surrounded by psychopaths who want to pillage and rape their people.

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He has a point. Too much reliance on the US will no doubt end badly for everyone except the bourgeoisie. We don't really know how the Federation will keep US influence in check after ISIS as more and more American military infrastructure are being put into place.

That infrastructure is pretty much exclusively supply related. It's not an infrastructure that could support an occupation

Except the Soviets didn't let the US station troops inside their territory.

The Russian's have troops in Assad's territory, as do the Iranians and other groups. By your own logic the Syrian government is purely a puppet government of these groups

I didn't say that the kurds were a puppet of the US, I'm just worried that if the Kurds rely on the US too much, then the US could use that as leverage against them, or use those troops for good old fashioned regime change in the future. Given the US's track record, there is no way that the US is helping the Kurds in good faith.

The US has a relatively paltry number of troops, only numbering in the hundreds at the moment. To suggest that this is an occupying force is absurd, and the YPG and PKK still get the majority of their weapons from from weapon markets in Iraqi Kurdistan. The idea that the YPG will soon be unable to support themselves is unfounded really.

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/01/turkey-pkk-diversifies-and-modernizes-arsenal.html

Euphrates Volcano sounds like the name of a metal band.

Look, the Kurds know the US isn't helping them out of the kindness of their hearts. They aren't stupid. I know 4D chess is a meme, I'm not saying the Kurds are genuineness who know exactly how to deal with the US after the war, but you have to pick your battles. Here was/is Rojava's options:

If you see later on in his talk he acknowledges that YPG are socialist and this could create problems for their relationship with the US in future

Why is it such utter shit?

I actually watched this guy's whole talk it was pretty interesting, I'll sumarise what he said about YPG:

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So why is everyone sperging about this? Are tankies mad that hes open about the fact that allying with YPG wasnt some long held plan for regime change? It really fucks up their narrative.

anfenglish.com/features/from-some-rifles-to-an-army-the-history-of-the-ypg-21140

Nice article about the history of the YPG since it's near the 5 year anniversary since the revolution in Rojava started.

Ahrar al Sham has effectively been finished in Idlib. They are done. Idlib is fully AQ now basically.

from my understanding SDF is YPG and freinds

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assad IS a russian asset.
what are you going to say now?

because of turkeyand becsuse it makes america look like they arent complete dumbases spilling sphagetti everywhere

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they are. and theyre also the lesser evil overall.

If you just want to ignore every fact that harms your point then could you kindly fuck off and stop shitposting.

im laughing hard

(and a few decades more)
said a pentagon public speaker

no it was just damage control after FSA went to shit

so? anyone that hasnt tried to accept the nationwide amnesty yet is either a terrorist or a prisoner

ditto.

So where do you get your information from? /sg/ and assad twitter? Your imagination?

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almasdar news, southfront, twitter, various local media sources…
id like to see who eversaid that these arentr anough to serve as a launchboard for occupation

That explains a lot

Yes launching an occupation against the will of the local forces can be done from a few desert airstrips and a artillery base, the forces there are completely inadequate for such a task and not at all in the interest of the KCK. And even if it would be, you are delusional if you actually think that this is the goal of the USA.
oh, this explains it.

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it has already been launched. the only thing now is reafirming their presence in the region.
the whole point of these bases is not to serve as a jumpboard toward damascus, but as a token in negotiations and a bulwark of military power.
and if you think "defeating mih ISIS and then goin home" is the US plan youre probably the most retarded person in this thread

Which is exactly what Rojava needs if they dont want to get crushed by Assad. Also its not occupation if they are invited, and they are invited. USA will stay exactly as long or shorter as the PYD needs them, dont be fooled. And as Assad is uncooperative they will stay, he has brought that on himself and he has the power to change that if he wants that.

inb4 muh national sovereignity and legemitacy

If you are to retarded to see how shit southfront and Al Masdar are then you are officially braindead.

And ofc to be protected against Turkey as Russia and Assad are offering only very limited protection against foreign invasion. ES was aproved by Russia in the full knowledge of what it would cause.

and what makes them shit besides being too much for you to handle?

you mean like they did in aleppo and in northern latakia?

no legal authority invited them. they invited themselves.

yeah like iraq, afgan and everywhere else right?

so he should just sell out his country to america and israel after 6 years of war and winning jut because americans hold some syrian land hostage?
how did he bring it upon himslef? not seling out and building american pipelines and having US military bases?

Nice spooks faggot. Assad isn't even a legitimate ruler by international standards.
The YPG invited them when they were about to be destroyed in Kobani.
Those were invasions.
Fuck off, he's a neoliberal dictator, he doesn't own shit.
By systematically oppressing the Kurds and to the present day refusing to negotiate with them?

Guys the so called "socialists" in Russia are literally agents of German imperialism. The BolsheviKKK party and their leader Lenin are literally agents of the KKKaiser. I mean think about it, Lenin was sent to Russia by the Germans that the Bolsheviks are being equipped with weapons from the Germans, and there are literally German troops on Russian soil. We need to oppose these opportunists and support the Tsar in his anti-imperialist struggle.

but it was the entente powers picking on the central powers.

actually he owns shares in major syrian companies and most of syrians support him.

like the US is doing everywhere and will do to the kurds when ISIS is gone?
also what, do you think the US is like one big karma hand in this?

also you didnt adress or argue the issue of the US sztaying aslong as they want

A few hundred troops aren't an invasion, especially considering they were deliberately invited by the inhabitants. Maybe Russia should've aided them and the US wouldn't be there.
Neoliberal bourgeois dictator*
88.7% in fact.
Nice whataboutism.
No, but that Assad created this problem for himself and continues to perpetuate it.
If the SDF told them to leave immediately, the US would not be able to stay without actually invading Syria, which would just create a world war.

yeah the germans were just on a tour guide in the sudeten lands. also barbarossa was a humanitarian expedition.

which is excluding people who support the current political stance of syria but would vote for a diferent person at the head of state

that isnt an argument. similar conditions will produce similar results.

but they wont because they cant and thats what the US has all its money on.
so yeah if your uncle had wheels he would be a bike.

they already did

the only reason that hasnt happened yet is because of salami tactics and noone having the balls to escalate

I wasn't implying that. My point was that they both get their weapons from black markets for the most part. Remember that 90% of DFSNS budget goes to war

Holy false dichotomy batman! Are you seriously comparing a few bases housing some special forces and planes to fucking operation Barbarossa? This is delusion always even by tankie standards.

*false equivalency

Asset or puppet, because there's a difference. Assets have their own agency, puppets not so much. So while i would say SDF is an asset of US foreign policy, i would say that Assad is unequivocally a puppet of it's allies lacking any ability to stay in power without them. The same cannot be said of DFSNS, which relies on it's own armed forces to fight and not foreing militaries, unlike Assad. This isn't even mentioning all the economic ties that reinforce the argument that assad is merely a puppet, while SDF lacks economic ties to not just the US but the world in general

Nice the cyclical is back

Only 87.5 % of the half of the population that remained.

Syrian refugees voted at Syrian Embassies

youtube.com/watch?v=wCqCnLjSx7M&t=51m54s

old thread

web.archive.org/web/*/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1835615.html

Another great video from Rojava News
youtube.com/watch?v=aBw2TEavsI8

The SDF only exists because the US bailed them out and continues to support them. Assad meanwhile has been in power for quite a while. Don't repeat liberal propaganda.

It isn't that they have a paltry number of troops, it is that they have airbases. You don't need that many fighter jets to completely ground a country. Ba'athist Iraq had 1,000,000 soldiers and yet only 4,000 US soldiers died. No fly zones get shit done.
Winston Churchill wanted to use ex-Wehrmacht soldiers to push East into Soviet-held Europe after WW2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

rferl.org/a/russian-defense-ministry-orders-medals-for-syria-operation-participants/27642055.html

Dirt airstrips aren't exactly an airbase m8. They're useful for supply shipments and not much else.

I will believe literally anything that lets me dismiss revisionist "socialists".

Don't rely on Wayback, they revealed themselves as part of the censorship clique early in GG.

Use archive.is instead.

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it was an implication to the invasion of iraq

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Absolutely embarrassing. Do commies even have some dignity left?

What's the problem?

Its a bit tacky and silly but the idea is completely justified. ISIS did horrible stuff to gays so being proud of hitting back and ending their reign is logical.

Not only is this is a promising development, but the name of this sub-group(TQILA, sounds like Tequila) seems like it would lend itself to memeing.
On a semi-related note, I notice that the Soviet Cybernetics thread is gone(replaced by the current Cybersyn thread). I recall some talk of cybernetics for the DFSNS, I'm wondering what happened with that?

I don't see anything wrong about it, besides the fascist thing, isis is not ideological any fascist at all

throughout the centuries homos were bereft of any dignity and now these men are defending people like them from people similar to those, who made them suffer in the past

[spoiler] they did though [\spoiler]

Whoops/

that would make the SDF puppets too

are you sure about that?

over 90% of syrian forces are still syrian.
meanwhile there are thousands of US troops on the ground in northern syria

because syria is a fucking country that existed for decades and got embargoed, did you think about that?

the US funds the SDF with billions. sorry.

would you mind showing us your military academy diploma and rank epouletes couch-general shitbag?

im not using a calculator but is something wrong here?

I was wondering how people here would feel about this. People on the syriancivilwar subreddit were saying that this might cause locals to distrust them/be used as propaganda against Rojava/YPG. I can see their point but hopefully if anything this might cause gays to be associated with liberation from isis tyranny. But then again with the conservative values of the Muslim world in mind this could just result in further persecution of LGBT people.

I like the idea of LGBT defending themselves and not allowing themselves to be the victim, but I feel like this could be less tacky and idpol-y. I feel like solving the problem would be creating a cultural change where "people's business is their business", not try to change people's minds where "gay is okay" when that'll likely just lead to opposition.

SDF gets most of it's supplies from the blackmarket, not the US. Contrast this with the Syrian Army which buys 90% of it's weapons from Russia
Yes
citation required for both claims. There's something like 500 US troops in DFSNS and thousands of Russian troops supporting Assad.
I don't see how that dismisses Russian hegemony over the country
Citation required yet again. DFSNS has received more non-military aid from countries like Russia then they have from US, which only gives weapons and military supplies.

They intervened in 2015. I'm not sure what you're asking tbh.

Everyone except the utopian socialist were revisionists.

ISIS is pretty fascist

Class Collaboration, Check

Capitalism in Decay, Check

Expancionalist Forien Policy, Check

The only difference between ISIS and fascists is ISIS is centered around religion where fascists are center around ethnicity.

Fascists worship the Nation State, something that ISIS rejects.

I guess that's technically true if you don't consider a caliphate to be a nation state, however I feel the distinction as too minute to take seriously

Replace Ethnicity with Religion and ISIS is completely fascist.

In comparing this to the stuff we see promoted by capitalism in relation to homosexualsin the west, I like this way more.

Tacky and some what idpolish though it may be I really don't see what the problem is.

[citation needed]

Replace nation state with a caliphate and there you go. That nazbol is correct, substitute ethnicity with religion. Fascism is a term that is thrown around way too loosely but using the word synonymously with authoritarianism you can see that fundamentalist religious ideology is fascist to it's core.

aren't you supposed to be the smart ones?

New footage from Rojava News of fighting in Raqqa.
youtube.com/watch?v=3BaddCEt4GQ

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Train_and_Equip_Program
everycrsreport.com/reports/RL33487.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces#Support_by_the_United_States.2C_France_and_other_Western_nations
independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-kurds-weapons-arms-turkey-erdogan-condemns-raqqa-offensive-a7765811.html
you stepped in your fucking grave on that one

nytimes.com/2017/03/09/world/middleeast/us-troops-syria.html
abcnews.go.com/International/us-troops-syria-heres-theyre/story?id=46020582
france24.com/en/20170720-turkey-usa-military-leaks-french-troops-syria
and thats "military forces", excluding civillian contractors, logistics and all those CIA/seal/specops monkeys

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces
the SAA has atleast 150K active fighting personnel on the ground. That excludes the NDF, the second biggest goverment force, and then you also have tribal forces, republican guard, private militias, etc.

so, how about you provide some citations for your claims?

This says nothing regarding how many foreign troops are supporting Assad. As far as Russia goes, best figure we can get is based on how many medals they're giving out to those who are stationed there and that's around 10000. Meanwhile, the Syrian Army buys something like 90% of all the weapons it procures form other countries from Russia.

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It's not exactly fascism but it's close from it.

in weapons alone. the whole op cost pentagon and tge Cia alot more
tryhard
i dont see any force with numebrs in the 100s of thousands, do you?
you do realise that any russian that was there will get one right?
where else are they gonna get them dumbass?

also where are your sources, did you fotget about that you senile monkey?

No you just proved that you cant read and are a massive faggot who knows nothing about Syria.

You don't know anything about anything. p sure even the idiot who coined it later disavowed lol.

Then post evidence of the amount you claim
So you don't really know how many of the troops are non-syrian army then
Which still puts the number in the thousands, and that's not counting non-combat personel. Still 10 times more then the number of US soldiers there
Way to miss the point completely and be a total hypocrite at the same time

What does this mean?

cooperation

Simply ebin.

are you saying the US isnt funding SDF groups?
are you saying i dont know anything about syria because i know things that you dont like?
unlike you ive been following syria from the start, not from 2016ish when some LARPer anarchists first went there. you must be the kinda guy that went

sure, just let me put my sunglasses on and hack those logistics networks dumbass

i know that they dont represent over 10% of the forces, and i dont see you proving me otherwise

no, go read your source article. anyone from pilots to warehouse workers will get it

post sources faggot

tbh the burden of proof is on you. You got immediately called out for your bias and blatant exaggeration and now you turn to inaccessible sources for your claims. Be a good socialist and critique yourself because you are acting like a pol/ack

Unlike you I can read, and when you claim that SDF gets supported with BILLIONS then you gotta do better than link stuff about weapons deliveries and training for rebels.

youtube.com/watch?v=_U0kFlC7U74

The Pentagon actually released their costing for SDF arming/helping and it doesn't even come close to a a single billion, never mind billions you dipshit.

Holy shit I never knew a DShK cost so much.
why

How the hell are RPGs and AT4s Che
apar than DShKs?

there is no way most those prices are accurate

Probably that famous provisions pricing.

The Pentagon is famous for buying overpriced weapons. The corruption in America is insane. If America was in a long term war and the corruption didn’t end there’s no way we would be able to win.

since that guy can post anything he pulls out of his ass because people like how it sounds and dont care about the truth? please.

yet you will remain silent when someone sais the US doesent receive vast amounts of US funding. Noice bias m8

ok.

(citation needed)

Can you refute it with some stats of your own then?

articles on timber sycamore and later operations

Childish

So then admit you're just pulling the number out of your ass
I'm asking you to provide proof of your claims and at every opportunity you fail to do thay.
The source article doesn't mention any such thing, but I'm not surprised you're pulling stuff out of your ass again.
Imperialism is OK as long as it serves the interests of amercas enemies amiright? :^)
Somebody posted an article regarding the medals in the thread already and a quick google search will confirm the weapons sales being made to syria.

Stop the sectarianism

and if the prices where lower wouldn't that mean that the pentagon is giving even less money to the ypg

not an argument. cry some more.

Listen, all i'm doing is pointing out that the exact same arguments that tankies make for the SDF being "imperialist puppets" could easily and in fact more effectively demonstrate that the Syrian government is a "imperialist puppet".

at this point in the geopolitical game there are rare exceptions to that, yes.
were talking about sources on here, not the medaks for service personnel and weapon deleiveries (which are completely irrelevant, as its no secret that russia has been arming syria as the US has been their proxies)

i already did that. SAA has over 150K active troops, excluding NDF and other national militias, while hezbollah has a few thousan in syria, iran has a few hunderd.
unless you come up with some article about tens of thousands of secret north korean specops fighting in palmyra its pretty obvious that 90% of syrian forces are ethnically syrian.

does it mention that only combat personnel will get it like you tried to imply? no? would you try to find an article that does?

So then you don't really oppose imperialism. You're not a Leninist or a Marxist if you think it's OK to support the imperialism of one bourgeois country against the imperialism of another. What you are is a second international revisionist, at best.
reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-economy-idUSBRE93N0QA20130424
This article demonstrates the amount of financial, not military, aid that Syria is getting from it's allies. Mind you, this is old and it's probably more by now. Even so, the article demonstrates that Syria is receiving actual billions from it's allies in credit. If we're talking about what makes a country a puppet, I think debt is a good qualifier for that, and as it stands Syria has much more debt to it's allies then DFSNS has to the US being that it's actually 0. Combine this with the fact that there are most definitely greater number of foreign troops fighting with Syria then there is fighting with the DFSNS, then it's easy to make the argument that DFSNS in fact does have more agency then the Syrian government does.
Then actually provide proof for your claims. I'm not even doubting that a majority of the soldiers are indeed Syrian, but if you're going to accuse DFSNS of being a puppet while the syrian government has much more support militarily and financially from it's allies then you're suffering from some serious cognitive dissonance
The fact is that Russia doesn't make this information public so we have to make due with the number of medals as a sort of loose estimate. However, it's more helpful for determining the number of Russian troops then your baseless claims of thousands of US troops in Syria are.

Yeah, that's why they are conscripting teenagers

itt: Holla Forums is awful at falseflagging

Seriously guys there's literally no reason we shouldn't either a) support rojava or b) not give a shit. The thread's not even cyclical or that popular anymore but ~somehow~ we have more supposed tankies than ever endlessly spamming threads with cheap flamebait from like a fucking year ago. Notice how they keep going "damage control" at every critical comment regardless of content? And all the shitty analogies without actual arguments or theory? I don't care what you think about tankies, they aren't this fucking stupid. Holla Forums is.

That's retarded, mortars are GOAT for fucking entrenched forces, way better than RPGs or DShK.

Thats for all of Syria, not just the SDF though. And especially not only for the YPG.

How can you not see this you cancerous commie piece of cancer.

The only reason we have become more active in these threads is because a lot of anarkiddies have been uncritically regurgitating liberal propaganda about Assad in anticipation of some kind of confrontation between their precious socdem Rojava/northern syria/etc and the rest of the country when in reality their real enemy is America and Turkey.

You actually live in a dream world do you?

You're the only cancer I see here bucko

Lenin would be rolling in his grave tbh. Talk about revisionism

Ah yes the good old "victims of imperialism are bad too therefore you should side with the west just to be safe" tactic popularized by Bookchin in his defense of Israeli apartheid. Classic.

SUPPORT GERMANY AND AUSTRIA AGAINST ANGLO IMPERIALISM.
Literally never said anything of the sort in that article, just pointed out the absurdity of supporting governments like the Assad Senior government when they themselves have imperialist ambitions on their neighbors, like pic related

youtube.com/watch?v=Vci535akoSo&feature=youtu.be&t=40m20s

This makes so much sense. Shit, MLKP and PPG are hardline Stalin-praising tankies yet they support Rojava. These Rojava-hating tankies are either cryptofaggots or they have 0 grasp on the regional political climate

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how many do they have, mr. lester?

didnt even need a crystal ball for this one

ought these two won ww1 the chanched of revolution on continental europe would be much greater
that move effectively prevented israel from spreading its control over the country. and israel is the chief imperialist in the region. their entire country is an act of imperialism.

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We've been predicting the abrupt end of American support for quite a while now. As soon as this happens, we fully expect Turkey to invade. That is what we are anticipating.

So let's focus on whatever happens in between the present situation and the inevitable withdrawal of US support.

The posters in these threads are aware that the CIA is funding terrorist groups in the hopes that one of them will eventually topple Assad. They are also aware of the plans for the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. These aren't big secrets anymore - we all watch Jimmy Dore on youtube. But ISIS is dying, which gives a lot of breathing room to Assad.

The YPG are the ones who will finish off ISIS, yet as soon as that happens they will ask for some form of autonomy. They keep their guns, they replace theocracy with secularism and they experiment with their own form of decentralized control. This means:
-ISIS cannot possibly rise up again.
-other islamist terrorist groups also cannot gain a foothold.
-tensions will ease in Europe, meaning it will no longer be a breeding ground for aspiring jihadists

Apparently all this remains unacceptable, because it still means Assad has to give a chunk of land in the north to a group currently being armed and assisted by the United States. It doesn't matter that this group is likely to lose US support as soon as ISIS dies. It doesn't matter that this group will remain in the north, and that there is no way in hell that they will attempt to topple Assad. Everything comes down to "you guys accepted guns from the big bad and I bet you will dare to ask for an unfair amount of autonomy, thus weakening Assad" even though none of this will topple Assad. The Kurdish presence will in fact immunize a large part of the region against frankensteinian CIA projects where arms are given to sunni jihadists that very much want to tople Assad.

Yet the guns are damning now, because they came from yankees. The anticipated request for autonomy is damning now, because you tankies insist it is fueled by nationalism and even if it isn't then it is still wrong because it would weaken Assad.

Please consider the following:
- Rojava can't throw away their icky American guns, because they can fully expect to be steamrolled by NATO-member Turkey when they do.
- Rojava can't roll over and go back to being a bunch of farmers that gets pushed around by ba'athists, because then they can't try to implement communalism.
- Nobody actually cares about Assad. No, not even Putin. Assad exists to block the Qatar-Turkey pipeline and to give Putin access to some nice harbors that don't freeze during winter. Assad's very important task of sitting on his ass all day is not going to be sabotaged when a bunch of farmers in the north ask for autonomy.
- I don't actually see you tankies complain about the pipeline anymore. All you do is repeat your reasons for why Rojava is a pawn. They've accepted too much aid from the Pentagon, they fit into zionist plans, they're actually crypto-nationalists etc. etc. You no longer even attempt to explain how they are a threat to Assad's continued rule, only insisting that they are a threat, merely by existing. You lose sight of the pipeline which is the only thing that matters to America, and which only becomes a possibility when Assad is actually toppled.

He just explicitly said tankies supported them though you retard

those tankies do not represent tankies, even less so when it comes to that issue. therefore they are anything but tankies on that issue alone. are you upset?

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syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/25-july-sdf-official-denies-existence-of-lgbt-military-unit

Am i supposed to believe autistic Twitter tankies are though?

So what? Who's going to topple Assad?
That's nice but the US doesn't have any ground forces in Syria to topple Assad, unless you mean ISIS- oh wait they're dead meat. So who is it? What's the plan? What's the CIA's next ace in the hole after ISIS and those other sunni flunkies are wiped out?

Do you seriously think Rojava will suddenly go down and invade Damascus if the US just keep whispering in their ear long enough?

hurrfff. the Kurds can do whatever they want and I wish them the best because I'm sympathetic to their goals and cause but once they try to separate Hezbollah from Iran they're doing the bidding of Israel.

Their special forces have been openly operating there for some time, however, not that they could topple Assad on their own.

I'll admit that it comes down to my personal preference at this point: The US do not deserve their pipeline after their innumerable war crimes in the region and so what matters to me is that those plans remain blocked.

Yes, they do have special forces present and I assume that those forces are mainly there to train other groups. Fortunately, that doesn't necessarily mean they can stay in control of those groups.

Some actual news.

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/890042602329964549

A powerline will be build between Raqqa and Hasakah with a total cost of 750k $. Really happy to see that they are managing investments of that size now. They also captured some refinery near the Euphrates, does anyone know how functional it is?

twitter.com/Boolshevik1917/status/890294110254493697

twitter.com/Boolshevik1917/status/889973179363598336

MLKP/IFB/BOG on Raqqa frontlines, interview with a British MLKP fighter

right now the US has half of northern syria and its oil production as a bargaining chip and a platform for a bulwark of military and political hegemony in the region

they do. they even have an entire proxy quasi nation.

how about you pull your head out of your ass where its been since 2016 when you first heard of syria and use your brain

are you saying tankies=the only true ML?
am i suppost to beleive autistic twitter anarchists when it comes to geopolitics?

The YPG has that, the PYD is very able to negotiate on their own with the Assad regime and Russia.

YPG has no interest in fighting Assad if they dont need to.

You should do that fuckwit

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id put $5 on that

if the US is so strongly set on creating a Kurdish state in Syria, why is it so strongly against a Kurdish state in Iraq, considering the KRG is a far stronger and more stable ally of the US' than YPG and Rojava?

This is getting boring, cant you people atleast make your own thread to circlejerk?

the top brass doesent give a shit about puny idealism. the US supported and used everything from jihadists to nazis and commuists to get to their objective.
and those groups&individuals have always had a history of either completely subordenating or getting killed.

The US doesn't want stability in Syria. They want to turn it into another Libya.

oh, my bad, i forgot the US is only in syria to fight ISIS and then politely leave, because thats completely everything US has to do with syria.

do you cry at night?

I know what you mean but Syria's war is substantially worse than Libya's one. And the US's policy of regime change failed with the fall of Aleppo.

because its an effective way to indirectly occupy a major part of syria.
with iraq its a different story because if they support a seccesion fom iraq then the iraqi govt is gonna jump in irans pocket.
and its alot easier to control one shithole that doesent like you than two shitholes at war with eachother

the US isnt a ragequitter. theyll drag their game till the last asset on the ground is dead.
right now they have a huge diplomatic check in their pocket with half of northern syria.

Am I the only one thinking the Kurds are possibly more likely to do a backstab than the US? They've been going rogue and off-message every time something this happens when it no longer suits them.

But there's nothing of note in Northern Syria. It's a traditionally underdeveloped area that the main government areas relatively little. Places like Raqqa, Deir Ezzor, Manbij, Kobani etc. weren't/havent been deemed priority by SAA for a reason.

why has the US never supported YPG diplomatically?

twitter.com/borzou/status/889889186769240064

pretty hilarious that Turkish corruption is helping rebuild Kobani

Anyone with a half a brain who has followed Syria knows that the USA has no long term strategy for Syria currently. Or do you get all your news from Almasdar and dont bother with analysts and people actually somewhat involved with american policy making?

Syria has long surpassed being "another Lybia"

When will the turkroatches ever learn?

youre one stupid dumbass arent you?

no, the syrian goverment is still standing. if anything its a failed libya scheme

the US has them at gunpoint via turkey and offers theme some "protection and aid".
its alot easier to call for abandoning ties with the US and continuing a revolution from a starbucks in america.

Exactly. This means the US can pressure them to do what they want.

besides oilfields and raqqa with it Tabka water complex its an important strategic area if the US has boots on the ground

that reason being that their forces were already overstreched defending aleppo and damascus. dierezzor was also a priority as it hasnt fallen since 2011. now that the army and allied militias have some breathing space theyre concentrating on dierezzor instead of ghouta, idlib and daraa

because of the obvious turkey issue, which is getting hotter with every month.
the US thus rebranded such groups as SDF and "coalition partners" and stuff like that.
but a US official saying publicly that theyre gonna support YPG would be plainly asking turkey to jump in russias bandwagon

within boundaries of a logical analytical op. the CIA and DOD wont just try to march the SDF troops toward dierezor at gunpoint tommorow. theyll pull some longterm shit like with kuwait and kosovo

Except for the part they want war with Turkey. If the US tries anything with Iran expect the Rojava situation to get ridiculous.

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Hey can someone more knowledgable on the Syrian war than me give me the lowdown on this video and the author in it?

youtube.com/watch?v=zGDwBK0OrRU

Where is he wrong, is it straight up fabrication or just more understandable misunderstandings, is the information outdated, etc?

I know this doesn't deal with Rojava specifically but I'm still interested to know more about all factions and I'm finding myself more confused rather than better informed the more I seem to dig into everything.

gowans.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/the-myth-of-the-kurdish-ypgs-moral-excellence/

what do you guys think of this? pretty decent summary of the more principled anti-imperialist criticisms of the kurds.

Where's the proof of ethnic cleansing of Arab towns?

The YPG committing ethnic cleansing meme needs to die. It was propaganda from the start, and Amnesty International even backed away from the original accusation

is there a reason for socialists to support assad aside from anti-amerikkkan imperialism

No socialist actually unironically supports Assad. However thinking that socdem-tier "anarchist" Rojava is somehow revolutionary deserving of uncritical support is stupid. At this point it is basically a Yugoslavia in the making (which is probably why the US is OK with it despite it obviously not being their preferred "ally" in the region.)

No one who understands Rojava calls it anarchist. Ocalan even criticises anarchism in his works.

A strong post WWI Germany-Austria means Bolshevik Russia gets strangled in its cradle.

This probably means there is or will be conflict between the SDF/International Freedom Battalion and the IRPGF.

I posted my acceptance email in the last thread. still stateside for a while, though.

SAA is now a Puppet of the YPG, making them a puppet of the US.
Support for the SAA is now akin to imperialism. any further posts promoting Assad will be banned.

of course these grandstanders have gotten like six dozen articles from major news outlets written about them in like two seconds. meanwhile 99% of westerners don't know what YPG or DemConFed is.

the problem here is timing and presentation. realize that for every IS controlled territory that SDF "liberates", a little bit of the population actually sympathizes with ISIS and sharia, if not outright supporting it. you can call it "the propaganda war" if you want, but the fact of the matter is that, even besides the jihadis and ISIS passing it around and recruiting with it, this shit is going to get passed around social media in the theater by random civilians, and it's going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of the people who see it. (Black AK over a flat pink field, seriously??? I could have designed a less ugly flag)

Now you can just say to yourself, "Well, fuck those people then! We shouldn't bother appealing to people who are spooked about gender stuff and if this alienates them, then that's a good thing. We don't need them." But that's like 99% of the people in the region, even if you ask a YPG fighter or PYD member "how do you feel about gay marriage", they'll say "huh? nobody does that here." and that's why like the most tolerant take you can get. you NEED to win hearts and minds. When you leave Holla Forums and enter the real world, especially fucking Arabia, you need to make compromises and choose your battles.

this is an ideologically motivated civil war for fucks sake, playing the political game is not optional. you can't just go around alienating people without a good reason, it's counterrevolutionary. maybe once we have a stable political system, security, and representative government in place, then we can start waving rainbow flags around, ostentatiously calling ourselves faggots, because at that point in time it won't have such obvious negative effects. but now is neither the time nor the place. those goals are the most important objectives right now.

Posing for a glamour photo like this, crowing about how queer and badass you are, strikes me as, at best, ignorant and shortsighted, and at worst, self-centered and egotistical, as if making themselves feel good is more important than the success of the movement. maybe you could say "well this will normalize queer issues in the theater, fighting ISIS is good therefore people will think queer = good." but I don't see the benefit outweighing the harm here.

honestly I wish this hadn't happened, or at least that they hadn't taken (and then publicized) such an intentionally provocative photograph. Best case scenario, it blows over quickly and people don't care about it. Worst case scenario is that it becomes a meme and never goes away, gets six dozen more news articles, and then maybe a squad of these guys gets killed and shows up in ISIS' next video where they do before and after shots of enemy KIA that they recognize from photographs.

also I'm gay. just in case that makes any difference as to whether or not my opinion is valid.

Whatever happens, Rojava is not going to be another Kosovo, on account on, you know, not being conceived as an ethnostate founded on ethnic cleansing.

Democratic confederalism themed oriental metal when?

I think where they really went wrong is they framed it as "We're queer and we fight ISIS", and obviously announcing your queer and proud in the ME is a really stupid thing to do, especially like you said, you're trying to win hearts and minds. What they could've and should've done if they had to create the unit, was make it more like "As we fight for the revolution, we must also fight to liberate and protect LGBT people", as it'd be a lot easier to convince people that queers shouldn't be harmed and aren't necessarily bad than going full "we're queer, we're here, get over it". They should be smart enough to know that deeply reactionary sentiments can't be changed over night, and especially not through being aggressive. It's like having a Pride Parade in Jackson, Mississippi to make the residents less homophobic. It really does seem like they cared more about feeling good about being faggots that fight fascists than about actually doing good for queers in the ME.

Also, you're right, the flag is really fucking ugly. Why fucking pink, why not purple? Could've made it a black and purple bi-color.

From what little I know of sexual politics in the Mideast, aren't they not quite directly backward from the modern west's perspective, but also somewhat orthogonal? Like the way Iran lumps together fags and trannies in a mandatory policy, or the strangely equal yet oppressive approach to what we call alimony.

It seems like while they have a lot to learn from us, our morals will map differently onto their culture than the shape they've taken in the west.

in turkey yes. not in syria. theyve formed some kind of an i frastructure there, and a war would just fuvk it up. and if the US backs turkey on this one then syrian forces are gonna come to give the kurds an offer they cant refuse.

Using kurds to destabilise iran would backfire a shitstorm with the entire new iraq going full saddam2.0 with irans support

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the author is a somewhat ok guy that has really good analogies on shit like the US and its internal anf foregein problems.

anyway the video just goes over how the US used the arab spring to depose hostile goverments like they did in serbia and ukraine recently.
syria was a problem because too many sided with assad and he wouldnt bow, so a civil war started, in which the US shoveled the money at anyone fighting him, this effectively backfireing

is that the same amnesty international that backs any US human rights accusations that the US pulls out of their ass?

Actually the most interesting thing is that the USA never funded enough rebels that they could activly beat Assad, they actually prevented some of fighting Assad. Syria is more complicated than simple USA trying regime change and continuing to try until now.

Well the jointly controlled territory belonged to the YPG first and they let the SAA in. So I guess that the YPG is a puppet of the SAA. Sense the YPG is puppet to both the USA and SAA that must mean that the SAA and the USA is the same organization.

i would disagree. by 2015 syrian goverment seemed to be on the verge of defeat, anc the rise of ISIS would be a nail in its coffin if iran and russia havent stepped in.
and yes, besides the US there were numoreus other factors, from the 2010-2011 drought and the damascus spring to the muslim brotherhood and alqaeda from iraq. people mainly only mention US color revolution since it was the biggest factor, yet certainly not the only one

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to oppose the complete subordination of the region to the level of modern EU where any revolution is practically impossible?

i can see youre an uneducated burger who has utterly no idea how europe works.

sure thing. just like how there were jihadists in the yugo wars and now theres a caliphate there, right?

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I tried to design an alternate flag, but it ended up looking worse than the Original.

reading that felt like looking at that ISIS future map that spans from indonesia to europe and laughing

Let's just hope it doesn't turn into Ancapistan with google and other companies duking it out with private militias in the next years. The capitalism needs to go.

yeah the accusation was originally from them

except the pkk/ypg are enemies with the puk
(they fought each other at sinjar)

Do you not see the A encompassed in the O. They are Anarcho-communist and synicalist for a reason.

What? First of he's talking about Rojhilat and Bakur, not Bashur. Secondly, the HPG hasn't fought the PUK, you fucking faggot. KRG forces left Sinjar so the HPG had to save the Ezidi.
There has been tension between Rojava Peshmerga and the YBS/HPG/YPG/J

Do you think the massive number of international volunteers will make a difference in the coming shitstorm?

I'm starting to hope that they will cause a kind of stalemate, because:
- the internationals just want to play around in communes and don't want to fight Assad or Russians.
- the US can't pull out and allow Turkey to start a full-scale invasion because it would be impossible to cover up genocide with so many internationals present.

Of course, if the internationals get bored and go home, then Rojava is fucked again.

you overestamate the luxury of intl units. they are expected to act and fight as they were locals. thats why so many volunteers either go home or get put on secondary positions like checkpoints.
and no, turkey wont care, theyll just use the opportunity to say they now fight "international terrorism".
not to mention that should volunteers start representing a liability to the US theyll just stirr up laws and sanctions against fighting abroad like that.
overall tge number of volunteers there is also way too small to be a prominent actor, and the media plays that number down even more

USA saved the rebels once with the TOW program, but the key rebel offensive capabillities relied on supporters like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. But you are right that this was more an issue of Obama holding back the warhungry gov, till it was practically to late for them to change the situation.

But anyone who claims that the Syrian war is a simple case of USA using Jihadists to invade an independent stable state to create regime change is wrong.

The western voters don’t have the numbers to make a big difference in the fighting, however they have an important role. If Turky invades and kills some western volunteers there would be huge outrage that an US ally killed US citizens.,

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-aleppo-kurds-idUKKBN1AC1SV

Article on the current situation in Sheikh Masqood.

Turkey already killed US citizens fighting for YPG, Micheal Israel for example. No outrage

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/27-july-ciwan-ibrahim-head-of-rojava-asayish-pyd-in-northern

How can anyone even remotely defend this?

Same "pragmatism" used by Al-Qaeda

Assad supported PKK until 2000 when his country was on the brink of war

Syrian Communist Party has critiqued Assad but still stand behind him 100% and criticize PYD for stealing land and moving foreign assets into their country, such as fighter Jets which can ground counties and fuck em' over
Assad has thousands of Communists fighting for him, such as Syrian Resistance

"Muh 8 Kurds killed in a riot that one time"
somehow justifies the murder of hundreds of thousands and complete mistrust
"Economic disenfranchisement of the Kurds"
Unfalsifiable claim, and he has been making more concessions as of late, but fuck him, right?

The Kurds already hold all majority Kurdish areas aside from some urban ethnic neighborhoods, why the fuck do they need to own the Oil rich arab areas, and how is Iran somehow more detrimental to them than ISIS?

Daily reminder that Fidel Castro and the Cuban Revolution was all Imperialist, oppressed those poor Plantation owners, along with the Butcher of Damascus Bashar Assad, who has personally thrown barrels on and murdered 500,000 innocent sunni babies.

alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/2016/11/26/fidel-castro-and-the-house-of-assad

When will the SAA take it.

You could make the same argument about feminism though.

A victorious Germany could have stepped in to squash any sort of nationalist movement that threatened the status quo of A-H.

God forbid anyone is ever critical of Iran

given that the media DO repot on it

are you aware of how many countries were under AH? are you also aware of various german schemes after the prusso-austrian war and the deals with polish politicians?
not to mention panslavism in 1918?
germany alone didnt posses enough to back austria, and half of the AH army was already prepared to fight against austria in 1918 for the independance of their local countries, like in the case of Carynthia in northern Slovenia

Literally none of the other comments were relevant.
Nice job ignoring the substance of my arguments. Cuba and Venezuela and North Korea should be ashamed for allying with Assad, the evil bourgeois dictator who supports them in kind, as well as the PKK for the majority of its lifespan, as well as the PLO and PFLP.
No, the oil resources are more dangerous and vital, says mr. genius over here. Good one.

Well they don’t have a choice. Assad’s the only person stoping the oil pipeline which connects Saudi Arabia & Quatar to Europe from being built.

i find it just fascinating how western media can tell how many thousands of hospitals and bakeries were destroyed in aleppo, and how everything that falls from the sky is a barrelbomb without a single journalist on the ground.

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wew

You're entire argument rests on false premises
Because giving democratic self administration to the people that live there is somehow "stealing"
Just ignore the fact that Assad is bringing in much, much more in terms of foreign assets into the country
Literally never happened
Because literally refusing to give hundreds of thousands of them citizenship, making them foreigners in their own hime, is in no way political and economic disenfranchisement :^)
Because only kurds would want democracy and secularism :^)

When will they stop?

"Concerning the treatment of peoples of alien races in the East we have to see to it that we acknowledge and cultivate as many individual ethnic groups as possible, that is, outside of the Poles and the Jews, also the Ukrainians, the White Russians, the Gorals [Goralen], the Lemcos [Lemken] and the Cashubos [Kaschuben]. If other small and isolated national groups can be found in other places, they should be treated the same way.

What I want to say is that we are not only most interested in not unifying the population of the East, but, on the contrary, in splitting them up into as many parts and fragments as possible.

But even within the ethnic groups themselves we have one interest in leading these to unity and greatness, or perhaps arouse in them gradually a national consciousness and national culture, but we want to dissolve them into innumerable small fragments and particles."

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"Concerning the treatment of peoples of Syria we have to see to it that we acknowledge and cultivate as many individual ethnic groups as possible, that is, outside of the Shia and the Sunni also the Christians, the Kurds, the Armenians, the Turksmen and the Jews. If other small and isolated national groups can be found in other places, they should be treated the same way.

What I want to say is that we are not only most interested in not unifying the population of Syria, but, on the contrary, in splitting them up into as many parts and fragments as possible.

But even within the ethnic groups themselves we have no interest in leading these to unity and greatness, or perhaps arouse in them gradually a national consciousness and national culture, but we want to dissolve them into innumerable small fragments and particles."

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🤔 indeed

pardon me assuming you have some education on fascism and its ideology and would recognize a text that even repeats the title in the first sentence.

heinrich himmler
concerning the treatment of peoples of alien races in the east

What point are you trying to make by posting that exactly?

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US increases military support to Kurdish-led forces in Syria

aranews.net/2017/07/us-increases-military-support-kurdish-led-forces-syria/

factories were biult in the west because, you know, most of syrian cities and population was there. the materials the factories needed were imported, as is ususally the case allover the globe.
but im sure that you, with all your statesmanship experience would venture out to the desert to build a shitton of factories and force people to go from the cities and travel the desert just so they could get to work, but that would be allright because you distributed the number of factories equally across the country and theres some retarded illuminati pattern in that isnt there?

I'm not saying Syria or was or is completely mercantilist. I am saying that Rojava, rich in natural resources, stood for most of the raw materials that these factories used. The ba'ath party, in accordance to it's institutional racist and arab nationalist policy, sought to economically dominate the kurds. I cannot understand why a socialist would reject the truth of this sort of exploitation.

>cooperativeeconomy.info/the-economy-of-rojava/

Cotton, produced in Rojava by exploited labour, was sent to the factories in west (populated by arabs). What sense is there in spending money on logistics to transfer these resources across the country when the factories could have been built in Rojava? The motivation is obvious.

We see the exploitation of not only the labourers but also of the precious natural resources. Now the economic climate is still fucked and even more so because of the war. Yet you have the sand to defend the fascist and not the worker. How the fuck are you a socialist?

What the actual fuck are you smoking let alone saying?

when Rojava give into US and join the KRG for a united kurdish state .

That won’t happen unless Turky (a NATO ally) gives then Turkish Kurdistan.

Seeing that homosexuals were thrown off buildings during the rule of ISIS think having a homo battalion is the least of Syria's problems.

kek, revisionists gonna revision.

Turkish soldiers occupy SDF villages then leave. SD fires warning shoots.

source on this?

syrian iraqi kurdistan is a good place to start.

would involve allowing permanent US bases in Kurdistan obviously

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Considering that that one is clearly pro apo and the other pro barzani I don't see it ever happening

bend the knee or get genocide by turks

If it was easy they would have destroyed the PKK by now. I don't know why on earth you would want any peoples to bend down to imperialism

Nobody posted such proof. They posted something showing that they got half a billion, not billions, in weapons. Meanwhile, Assad's allies have extended him billions in credit. I don't know why you think you could be so blatantly dishonest when anyone who's actually read the thread can point out your bullshit

pkk hasn't accomplished anything except attack a convoy or shoot down a helicopter every once in a while. it had absolutely 0 revolutionary potential. the ypg was on its last leg in kobani until the US stepped in.

The kurds will have to make a decision.

The revolution is ogre.

Actually turkey is pretty worried about the PKK, especially since they've gotten better arms from this whole conflict in Syria and Iraq. Just because they haven't overthrown the Turkish government doesn't mean they don't have revolutionary potential, and the recent movements in Bakur and elsewhere to create democratic autonomy is a great step forward. Why do you feel the need to concern troll, as though you want a quasi-fascistic nation-state that is turkey to stomp out a genuinely socialist group. Meanwhile defending Assad who is nothing more then just a neo-liberal dictator. This is what happens when you treat America as da joos instead of looking at society and the world through the lens of class struggle.

Thats why turkey is constantly flipping shit over the pkk… because they're not a real threat.

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pkk has as much revolutionary potential as the taliban, or FARC before they gave up.

None.

Ah now I understand

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explain how pkk beats or establishes autonomous socialist zones within turkey, without getting assraped the moment they step outside a mountain.

wew

i meant currently dingus.

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The PKK stays in the mountains because there fighting a garilla war and truing to drain Turky of resources.

the cause of kurdish independence (which is what the ypg totallly wants by the way) is what some kruat wrote about which makes the ypg literally fascist imperialist cia jewish nazi amerikkkan puppets

The conditions are not correct to establish and maintain a federation in Bakur. Not because they can't: the youth wing of the PKK alone took an entire city. Then it got called off because predicted casualties of the youth. Actually establishing a federation would lead to a full-scale war. The TAF would just bomb everything, more so than now. The potential civilian casualties alone is enough of discouragement. The HPG is a seasoned guerilla force, not an standing army with the comforts of one. Don't fool yourself. The native guerilla force as a rule beats the standing foreign army. Vietnam, America, Soviet union vs. Afghanistan (shit, the taliban is still a threat there) even beloved Che and Castro.

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Like FARC? or AQ? how well did that go?

seems to me like it only gave the US an excuse to expand their reach inn the name of anti terrorism

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You're a joke to both leftists and fascists, nigger.

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Sage

These threads used to be of the best quality on the board; now they are the scene of endless shitting.
Fantastic.

It's also funny how no one gave a shit about the cyclical Syrian civil war thread that was set up by BO because that also was a absolute shitshow and died before the cyclical feature could save it. Yet we are still not allowed a cyclical despite constantly staying alive.

We must stand with /sg/ in their fight against BO's imperialism.

Hotpocketry has always been the quickest way to kill a board.

youtube.com/watch?v=yzSzQoQls7o

1. Self administration my ass, they bitch about Iran and act like a singular entity all the time. "Giving it back to the people" through an indelible ideology is not "giving it back to the people" and that oil is certainly not going to the arabs, but for more expansionism and competition with Syria, Iran, and Iraq - countries the US hates
2. It was foreign assets which started the war in the first place. Those arabs in their own homes should just die, right?
3. Never argued ethnic cleansing, I argued resources going from one entity to another via the US, which is objectively true. Do not deny it.
4. "Hundreds of thousands" of Kurds are and have been illegal refugees from Turkey, you can somewhat argue this, but it is not based on Racism, as Palestinians actually have refugee status as such - Again - Syrian Communists support Assad and his actions - of whom I trust more than an internet white knight from someone who has likely never seen a grain of sand his entire life and knows nothing of the middle east sitting in his armchair in Europe
4. Economic disenfranchisement is just projecting your beliefs onto the region, because you are biased in favor of the YPG and Imperialism. It has nothing to do with the actual facts on the ground. Northern Syria is 15-20% of Syrian population, so naturally the denser cities on the coast and Damascus would have more industry.
Assad wants secularism
"Democracy" in a framework which is inherently beneficial to the Kurds is not real democracy, and is just very localized politics, Cemil Bayik or some other KCK high ranker still determines all national politics. Raqqa canton can't just suddenly decide to want to engage with Iran independent of what Qandil wants.
The only possible argument you have is the potential Assad was poor to the Kurds, which is based on 1 incident in one city which happens all the time over Europe, and was not directly carried out by puppetmaster Assad, and potential central economic planning benefitting arabs, while there is concrete evidence of Assad's support of the PKK for much of its lifespan, along with his ties to Cuba, North Korea, Fmr. Soviet Union and Venezuela to this day
The only real outcome of this "revolution" is indelible US airbases and military bases which will be permanently marring northern Syria or Rojava or whatever.

That picture is pretty ironic considering you're defending Iran, an Islamic theocracy. An
This sentence is completely incoherent and I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, besides being vaguely against self administration and claiming that DemCon is not liberatory when Sunni's and other ethnicities historically marginalized by Assad are actually better represented in governance. Have you even ever read the Social Contract for DFSNS?
Because Assad implementing neo-liberal, ethnically exclusive policies and establishing an internal colony within northern syria had absolutely nothing to do with his unpopularity and opportunity for revolt.
If it's objectively true then provide evidence for it, because as it stands Assad has done more to give Syrian resources to foreign powers then the DFSNS has. Being billions in debt to his allies does not really make a fine case for Syrian independence from foreign powers.
Actually Kurds have occupied the area for centuries, and got screwed by an act of imperialism that established the borders of countries like syria. The Syrian communist party is no more then controlled opposition, as is the Russian Communist party controlled opposition for Putin. No true communist party would support a defacto monarch who implements neo-liberal policies and makes foreigners out of citizens
Projection has never been stronger. Assad banned the growing of any crops except wheat and cotton within the area, as well as forbidding the growing of trees. Saying that "Assad wants secularism" does not make him better then the DFSNS, as if they are not secularist themselves
Except it isn't. In fact, a quota system insures that all ethnicities are represented, something which the Syrian Government doesn't have. If you're going to claim that bodies of government like the Manbij Military Council or the Raqqa Military Council cannot act with their own agency then provide evidence of such.
I think my previous points in this post prove your accusation wrong. There's a lot more to criticize him on them merely his treatment of the kurds, which is in itself worthy of condemnation.
I think history has proven this point wrong time and time again. The US is constantly dealing with groups that it supported, from the Vietcong to the Taliban.

peaceinkurdistancampaign.com/charter-of-the-social-contract/

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my laptop is all screwy. Meant to refrence my other post:

twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/891701196934742017

They can't even hold on to their own capital. How on earth do they think they can get to the other side of Europe?

The Taliban currently controls over half of the country. They're almost as powerful as they were pre-invasion.

nobody is talking abou assad. syrian forces held out this long exactly because of foregein help. nobody ever denied that.
youre just blameshifting.
the whole argument is that SDF is a US proxy to destabilise the region and set a new US foothold for further military hegemony.
russia didnt create assad in 2016
pure autism.

It's just completely disingenous to imply that DFSNS are puppets for accepting foreign help but somehow Assad is A-OK for accepting much, much more and from more foreigner countries.
America didn't do anything to create the DFSNS so I don't know what you're even talking about. This isn't an argument for Assad not being a puppet either.
Literally no u. Considering that nothing has changed regarding their political program, and the fact that the haven't accepted any financial help from the US unlike Assad who's accepted money from Iran and Russia, I don't have any reason to think that they've given up revolution or will anytime soon.

theyve been for over half a century.

the moment they try to pull some big shit turkey is gonna react and the US is gonna spill sphagetti and tighten the leash

thats in syria. and we should wait till the end of the war to see how exactly will they hold up

the guy is presenting a different perspective. noone expects anybody to like it

id say his reasoning here is that such a "revolution" would do more harm than good to the region

by far not as neoliberal as the main supporters of the factions in northern syria
but im sure youd prefer if assad was like saddam wouldnt you

when you post from a starbucks in the worlds biggest system of class hegemoney that imposes its system, paradigm and values agressively over the world, effectively preventing any form of revolution or class struggle, unlike the states it targets, where such things are still possible (and ironically happening), you shouldnt be a smartass.

because the US had them do that in 1989 and then needed a boogeyman in the country to excuse their invasion and exploitation of people and resources.

dont mean to be a negative nancy but i dont think theres much potential in such a strategy

but /sg/ is about geopolitics, not idealism

the US can pull a "popular" revolt in almost any country in the world out of their ass. if there was any "popular" here you would see major cities like Aleppo and Damascus fall very soon, instead it took years and thousands of foregein jihadists to besiege them

syria is a state. with official economic ties. they cant just act like a rouge band of militias that will fight for the highest bidder.

funny how nobody ever mentions the political and social aspects of the damascus spring because its doesent sound bad enough to be used as an argument against him, nor the fact that alot of "inspiration" for such a move came from the same countries that support the SDF

you mean of defecting jihadists to be more specific

theyre both patsies in the hands of bigger geopolitical powers. in the current case assad is a much better longterm option for the region

see

because syria is a state thats been fighting a war since 2011. russia dint just pull syria out of their ass in 2016 and asked them to fight everyone so they can have their bases there, as is the case with some other factions in syria

americas backing led to the big yellow chunk of land on the map in northern syria. it doesent matter what alphabet bingo you play to name it. its there, and its american war clay

he ran his country long before the war started. but now after 6 years of it hes completely dependent on his allies, like the SDF

id trust Stalin more than you when it comes to making revolutions happen

Pretty sure it's about tankie autism considering I haven't seen any geopolitics discussed here in weeks.

well thats because youre so biased.
and these autistic tankies might happen to have been right all along, since in the land of the blind, one eyed man is king.

Well there doing thee same strategy as the Vietcong.

Aside from the fact that I think you're giving the US far too much credit to the point of omniscience I'm not sure what that has to do with the other poster not having a clue about what's going on in Afghanistan currently.

no, ofcourse, the US went to afganistan to bring the afgan people democracy and fight evil terrorists that surely appeared out of nowhere and the US had nothing to do with.
you are absolutely right, couchgeneral Mcdumbass

Or the US funded the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan War in an attempt to oust the Soviets from the region and those same Mujahideen would later fill the power vacuum left behind after the fall of the Najibullah government in '92. No. What's more likely is that the US used it's precogs to determine that in a decade the son of a Saudi billionaire would concoct an attack on the US that would lead us into a war in Afghanistan so they set up the Taliban as the casus belli for invasion even though the justification for invasion was already established by the attack on US soil. The US is just playing 632D Candyland.

The DFSNS didn't magically appear in 2016 either. It's been around since the start of the Civil War.
And Russian and Iranian backing prevented the entire government from being overrun and assad from being butchered by islamists, yet you are in essence saying that the DFSNS should have rejected american air support and allow themselves to be beheaded by said islamists.
Ah now I understand

because they've been a threat for that entire time
meaningless speculation
The same logic applies to you really. I see no reason to support them meanwhile
It's a completely disingenuous perspective that doesn't actually address any of the politics of the DFSNS besides accepting help from burgerland
Neither you nor him have really adequately qualified why that is besides an irrational fear of anything associated with burgerland, as if the groups burgerland have supported never turned into it's enemies
I'm against authoritarian despots of all kinds really, and you're implying that Russia is not run by capitalist oligarchs to.
Blaming america for all the worlds problems is completely simplistic and irrational thinking without any materialist basis. It implies that merely being an enemy of the US makes you a good thing, even if you're a capitalist nation-state with the same kind of imperialist ambitions as all sufficiently advanced capitalist states. In essence, it is class collaborationist, and you are the kind of person Lenin would have spat upon.

If you're asking why the DFSNS has not overthrown Assad it's because they've chosen to work with him for the most part against Islamists. Mind you, it's due to the permission granted by Russia that allowed Turkey to violate Syrian territory and occupy it. Turkey, which you should know is a NATO ally.
All irrelevant really, considering that none of this actually offers an argument against Syria just being a puppet state.
So Assad is not at all to blame for the neo-liberal policies he implements. Meanwhile DFSNS has socialist policies while accepting support from the US.
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the scapegoat scheme happened a decade after soviet withdrawal, dont try to mix up the events to make it seem less apparent.
and the US never invaded a place just because of "muh terrirists". the war on terror is a dumbass farce for stupid people to support invasions, enslavement and exploitation of foregein countries.

as a bunch of militias maybe. still not a functioning state with decades of infrastructure and economy

i didnt say that, you completely missed the point. read again.

what argument? to what?
you just said that youre sure that theyll carry on with some revolution and whined something about assad that is completely irrelevant.

and after all this time its still status quo

it stands much better compared to some retarded betrayal and last stand fanfiction of a starbucks revolutionary

i can firmly say that syria has a much more stable and determined future than rojava

because nobody but idealists and fools care about some macroeconomic LARPing of a chiptoken in a geopolitical game

give me one example of such a group that after their US betrayal went on with their ideological plans and wasnt used as a patsy for US foregein policy in the future
i dare you to say muh taliban

that would be in your head.

then lets watch another case of animal farm down there

not all world problems. geopolitical and global economic ones.
im laughing

the SDF is a halftime project for the US when they saw FSA was a disaster. they just picked an existing pawn and buffed it up.

its not. syria was a state before the war which targeted it, while rojava was a byproduct of it.

did he do it for PR or to make lives of people miserable and to laugh in his chateu de evil

same way went iran. and a whole bunch of other countries that later switched to capitalism

which is guaranteed by the good will of the local warlord ofcourse

i gave you an argument. i debunked your
bullshit
so if you dont have an argument then stop posting.

DFSNS in a nutshell:
Muh local committees 100% run by Arabs and not in any way dictated by foreign powers

Famalam. Arabs, be it in the PYD, the committees and councils, the YPG/J or the FSA battalions, is the MAJORITY demographic. the revolution is only known as "kurdish" because it was the KCK that supported it, it was predominantly kurds in the begining and it was the kurds that founded YPG/J. A lot has changed in 6 years. With so much liberated territory and with the formation of the SDF, the revolution is now made up of mostly arabs.

Fuck off already. You have no sane arguments and your flag is just pretentious nonsense. The rojava thread used to be dope. Now roach faggots like you ruined it. Fuck your daddy

An autonomous government which provides services to the people is not "a bunch of militias". Even more inaccurate considering that the YPG is the most predominant military organization in the region. Not to mention that the only reason why either exists is because the government pulled it's forces out of the area and left them to defend themselves against Isis.
Your point is clearly that the DFSNS is somehow an american puppet for accepting support against islamists yet your daddy assad is not submitted to the same kind of scrutiny.
My point exactly :^)
Just continuing to point out the obvious cognitive dissonance in your posts as well as the copious inaccuracies.
It's almost like revolution is a prolonged struggle
Says the man who worships a neo-liberal who's nothing more then a puppet to his allies, a despot that allowed another country to give permission to a NATO member to violate the sovereignty of his own country
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The YPG, the core of the SDF, was created after the SAA abandoned northern Syria to be taken by ISIS. America had nothing to do with creating it, but I'm ok with telling you this since it's obvious you understand very little about the conflict and region
Syria was a Russian puppet before the war to.
So he's a vain despot who cares about his own self image more then policies that help his people. Makes complete sense
Iran has been a theocratic state since the revolution so I don't know what you're talking about. Not even sure why you choose to defend an Islamic theocracy in the first place tbh
Ah now I understand :^)

Face it, your political entity is muh feels and is not even remotely politically or geopolitically viable.
Nice one, m8
In none of my posts have I ever condemned the PKK and its operations, especially prior to US intervention. I would still prefer a US supported D&C shill state to Turkish occupation. After all, Turkey has Incirlink and Nukes and other NATO shill bases, just like the YPG does, unlike the SAA
Northern Syria isn't even defendable, compared to Qandil, and yet 10-20k PKK fighters have moved from there to this flat land which can be easily carpet bombed to shit by Turkey fighting for D&C and the US, unlike Qandil which is Vietnam 2.0 - bane of the Turks

PKK would be better consolidating their forces in Southeast Turkey and Northern Iraq, but some decided to become opportunistic
Cite your Social Contract again then read what I posted and drop your cognitive dissonance and join reality, thanks.

You haven't actually posted any evidence support practically any of your claims. I don't know why you think anyone would be convinced by the ravings of an idiot. Also, that wasn't the same poster that's been responding to you predominately

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I only posted once prior, some other guy without the read a fucking book icon started taking up the arguments on his own.

You cannot have a social contract then at the same time have a military spokesperson say yeah we aren't going to allow this through our territory, thanks.

The Social Contract is only relevant when other major powers are not vested in the area.
The YPG wanted to reconnect Afrin, but the US wanted them to take Raqqah instead. The US is giving them weapons to fight their battles for them. The YPG is only becoming more Arab because of the lands it occupies and oppressed people seeing them as the only fighting force in the area. Those recruits would join SAA too and they are not about to take up the revolution and fight in Bakur for the Kurds, they are fighting for themselves. The PKK who have been relocated from Bakur and Iraq were much better in Bakur and Iraq for revolutionary ambitions, not standing still as targets for air weaponry which will annihilate them once the US doesn't give a shit about them anymore.

I agree with the concept of Kurdistan, and that Syria has to make some concessions, but not when the US is pulling strings in their own favor for influence over the region. Assad is kind of a dickhead over the Kurds, but at the same time he has sovereignty over the land and he isn't just going to give it away over some moral high ground when his enemies are ethnically cleansing arabs in far worse ways than he has ever done to Kurds and they ally with them in the north breaking any sort of mutual respect or agreement. I responded to the lack of citizenship in that a majority of Kurds in the North are refugees from Turkey after the Turkification in the 1920s. Assad is not half as bad as Erdogan is. The US and Capitalist interests need to be removed as a precondition to redrawing the borders of the Middle East, not as the solution to Kurdish oppression.

The Kurds should have held up resistance in Turkey and Iraq where the US actively pools their resources with Turkey to harm the PKK and their revolution there. I understand the circumstances regarding Kobane, but at the same time survival+revolution+resistance led to US Imperialism, one way or another, and I don't like it.

I have toned down the douchiness of my posts, so I hope I can get a reasonable response in return. This whole region is really hard to navigate and it is a bit idealistic to hope for the best case scenario.

tl;dr Assad is a pragmatist, not nearly as bad as Erdogan, PKK resources should fight US-aligned Turkey, not Syria with US aid for capitalist gains. Assad is longtime socialist ally, even if it is in a similar vein to YPG being capitalist ally - he still supports PFLP and is allied to Socialist states.

The US hates the PKK presence in Qandil which is nearly impossible to erase, like the Taliban is in Afghanistan. Now a huge number of them left to an easier area to control that would require far less resources to contain and control by Turkey or other states. Qandil is the PKK's best asset and they are weakening it for some flat desert land that the US has its own interests in.

Once upon a time, the PKK and the PLO fought side by side.

Big SDF gains today

what does the plasitination liberation organistion have to do with eastern syria,

SDF should fight for US in Raqqa, get American weapons then use those weapons in Turky agains NATO.

Nothing in the social contract calls for allowing Iranian proxies into Syria.
And they couldn't because Russia, an ally of Assad, said it was A OK for Turkey to invade and occupy syrian territory therefore making it impossible to connect the cantons unless they decided to invade SAA territory which they wouldn't do
You actually have to provide proof for such claims, which you haven't so far.
If that was true then they would have adopted the same exact politcal model as Barzan's Iraq and bowed down to Turkey. Neither of those things have happened. Nothing about their political system has changed.
Shitty dictators all deserve the rope tbh, whether they be american or russian or alawite or kurdish.
It is noticed and appreciated, even if you still remain wrong about most things.
The really absurd part about all of this is that DFSNS isn't even an antagonist to Assad. Have you considered the maybe Iran, a capitalist nation state, has it's own designs on Iran and hopes to hold enough influence on it as to take away it's sovereignty? DFSNS does not actively fight the SAA or the Syrian Government, but in fact they occupy territory together within a framework of Dual Power and coordinate against Islamists. What is more probable: That a group of self governing syrians want to undermine the soverignty of the country, or that a capitalist foreign nation has designs on the country to suit it's own needs? Mind you, I'm not pretending that the US doesn't have designs on the country same as Iran or Russia do, but there is more of a case to be made that the Syrian Governments allies undermine it's sovereignty more then the DFSNS allies do currently given the amount and kind of support being giving to each. The fact that DFSNS recognizes this is not something to condemn them for. Indeed, if you really want to undermine Turkey using the PKK then allow the Syrians to maintain their system of Dual Power that they currently enjoy, and consolidate them as an ally against an ever more expansionist Turkey.

*on Syria

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
defenddemocracy.press/leila-khaled-isis-islamism-syria-paelstinians/
I agree. The problem is that Turkey has built a giant wall between themselves and Northern Syria and it will be impossible to just casually lug a 188mm artillery cannon through.
It has to do with Socialism, which is the point of our struggles. I would prefer the PKK, YPG, Syria, PLO, PFLP, etc. all find common ground like they did in Lebanon than one ally with the US against another. The CIA that aids Northern Syria is the same CIA that tortured tens of thousands of leftists to death in Chile and across South America in the 70s 80s and 90s. These people are not messing around and they care only about their interests. This makes me more inclined to like Assad.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Russia is trying to keep a foothold in Syria for its own security reasons, as a buffer zone in the south and to prevent the spread of Islamism, especially through the caucasus and central asia
Turkey supports Islamism and funds radical mosques and Imam Hatip schools far more than science schools, but Russia does not have the resources to stop them or fight them. They also should not have sold Turkey the S-400s. The amount of resources and international law gives Russia the advantage over Islamists in Syria, but not Islamists in Turkey. Rojava cannot withstand Turkey in Syria but they could in Qandil.
I meant people oppressed from ISIS see YPG as the only solution to free themselves, not the YPG oppressing them. This ties into the hands of the US, because otherwise they would be in the SAA and therefore an enemy. Now they are a potential asset and will not move to Turkey compared to a kurd, where the US doesn't want them.
They are holding territory from the SAA was the point, not that they sacrificed on Leftism - aside from the US airbases and military bases. It is nigh impossible to get rid of those once they are there, ya know.
I agree, but at the same time I still agree with Assad on some things, which are extremely important when it comes to projecting power in the region. I would hope he would embrace the leftist side of Ba'athism a bit more, as Syria was a long term ally of Socialism, for better or worse. In the 80s the PKK and Syria fought against US and Israeli interests in Lebanon.
I agree with your statements on Barzani's Iraq and I would want his government to fall and Kurds accept demcon as a people so there is no sectarianism among them.
Barzani supplies Israeli 74% of their oil and is allied with them for racist reasons only
This is another thing that makes Kurds dangerous vis-a-vis Israel as they somewhat share the Arabs as enemies and 2% of turks support Israel so there is nothing there for Israel to grab a hold of.
theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/29/israel-prime-minister-kurdish-independence

Socialism is the ideology that will keep the Kurdish spirit pure.

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/01/turkey-pkk-diversifies-and-modernizes-arsenal.html
except they are using weapons from syira against turkey,
and yes i know the cia is not helping them out of altruism (i bet the ypg/pkk knows too, apo ocalan is in a turkish prison cause of the cia)

And he is still very much immoral due to his neoliberalism and gets the rope if he doesn't change
Erdogan gets the rope first, though
Which is why I am a bit bitter towards Northern Syria
We will see what happens with Afrin, though, and my lot is with them 100%

theguardian.com/world/1999/feb/19/kurds.helenasmith

I read that article when it was new. I doubt any of that new stuff has much to do with the US though. Pic related.

It is going to be hard to get it through the border as the border with Syria and Turkey is flatlands with a wall.

Qandil is mountains all over the border and really really difficult and resource intensive to track, which is breaking Turkey's back. It would be more viable to attack Iraqi Kurdistan from the YBS pocket and overthrow them, and kick out turkish bases there to liberate all kurds from capitalism than to try and break through the walls from flat ground that could be droned and destroyed easily
I know, the PKK is good
I don't know how different the situation would be if Apo was out now, the US always loves replacing leaders that are uncooperative and replacing them with those who are more sympathetic.

Also +1 to Greece for stashing him in Kenya

No. PLO helped create PKK. They never fought together. MLKP and PLO is the mother and father.

Cycled because I didn't see any reason for it not to be. You kids have fun now.

Polite sage.

Agreed, but they still fought side by side in Lebanon.
Also, Assad Sr. had a big stake in PLO

Thanks m8. Have a free Assad.

Rojava could withstand Turkey if both the Syrian Government and the DFSNS would ally against them, but as it stands Iran is an ally of Turkey alongside Qatar against Saudi Arabia and friends in this new crisis that's developed. Iran will work in the interests of Turkey against the interests of both the Syrian and Turkish populations.
Yes but what is the reason that people do not go to the SAA controlled areas and instead go to the DFSNS controlled territory? As far as I can tell it's because the DFSNS is more in line with the interests of the people then the Syrian Government at the moment.
They are holding territory because the SAA evacuated the area to begin with. Whether or not you dislike the fact that they accepted support from the US, you must recognize that it was the failures of the government that lead to them having to accept their help. Now, as it stand these bases are primitive infrastructure and not anything sufficiently advanced nor permanent. The US has made it very clear that they expect to get their weapons back once ISIS is defeated. The solution to all of this is continued cooperation between the Syrian Government and DFSNS, and the maintenance and spread of the currently existing dual power system. The syrian government and the DFSNS can coexist so long as the Syrian Government makes the choice to. The DFSNS has no designs on the government proper, and really Apo makes quite the departure from Bookchin by stating that the dual power can coexist with the state and should do so. I guess my point is, if you really want to oppose imperialism and maintain the soverignty of the people then you should support a proper alliance between the DFSNS and Syrian Government instead of making them inconsolable enemies

Didn't mean to sage

Thank you based hotpocket

I doubt it has to do with ideology but more with liberating their families and home cities
Such as the Kurds in Aleppo who fought with SAA for their neighborhoods but not arab neighborhoods
2. Agree with pretty much everything you said.
I would hope the DFSNS gets closer with Assad. If they end up fighting and Assad eventually wins through massive bloodshed leaving a castrated Syria only for the US to swoop in then there would never have been a point for the revolution in the first place.
We will see what will happen between Syria/Russia/DFSNS and Turkey and we can hope for a positive development.

However, if I were a PKK member I would much, much rather be stationed in Qandil mountains than be an Afrin YPG fighter about to get steamrolled with little defensive advantage compared to in the mountains with a huge defensive advantage.
I also hope the Syrian landscape doesn't make for sitting ducks, and that Raqqah ends soon as Turkey is nipping at them and there hasn't been any large counterrattack on ES yet.

I think the promise of governance where they have a direct say is appealing to a lot of people, but that's just me.
Unfortunately I feel that's rather dependent on Assad and his allies. Iran doesn't want the DFSNS to continue to exist given that Iran has it's own kurdish population that might rebel if they're allowed to continue. This combined with the closer ties to turkey make Iran all the more considerable enemies to the people of Syria.
Afrin Canton is actually very well entrenched with their own man made defenses luckily. It took a considerable amount to make them from what I can tell. Unfortunately, I don't have a picture of it saved. If anyone remembers that group that formed after the turkish invasion I would appreciate knowing it's name again.

those weird constantly shifting alliances remind me of the situation pre-WWI or pre-WWII. everyone has their own little Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that makes no sense ideologically speaking.

Afrîn canton is actually pretty mountainous, very defensive terrain.

they still are able to smuggle weapons across the border

Why do people think that a society with a military, police, private property, laws, and hierarchical government is anarchist?

youtube.com/watch?v=7iNExiH2WFI

The US is on record as having told YPG to ditch Ocalan symbolism and promotion because it makes the Turks nervous and makes their PKK links too obvious.

Needless to say Ocalan's face is as prominent as ever in Rojava and YPG and PKK will never drop their love for him.

twitter.com/Malcolmite/status/891357299276754944

are Palestinians, dare I say it, imperialist Zionist stooges?

thats actually a pretty god idea

so theyre gonna turn on NATO forces stationed in rojava, iraq and turkey. youre a real 4.5 star couchgeneral

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id like to see you get off your ass in McDonalds and got on a plane leaving the states to travel there with a rope and then autistically screech when you get your Visa rejected while crying how immoral assad is

iran is a completely different case when it comes to kurds.
theyre much more emancipated, especially due to the iran-iraq war and saddams actions.
not to mention that most of them arent stupid and know how pointless it would be to go and start an insurgency

because it got too polarised. now theyre gonna do it on a regional scale

i dont see whats hard to grasp here

any band of people that take over and area can create an autonomous goverment. the only difference then is the budget and welfare of the "administration".
ISIS was an "autonomous goverment" ffs.

no. because its being used as a geopolitical tool on a strategic regional scale.
this has been said countless times, but you are either unwilling or too retarded to accept it.

see

no, just turning it into what it is today

yeah, because im one of those

an ally. it wasnt dependent on russia.

the policies were to improve the situation in syria. but you wouldnt know anything about the background of this because youre just some millenial who posts about hindsight shit on an imageboard

it was suppost to say vietnam, i dont know how i let this slip

ok.

yeah it's not "backwards" by any means. orthogonal is a good way of putting it. but this kind of behavior is not socially acceptable to a majority of the population

I'm not sure what this post is trying to convey and attached image is only making it more confusing.

>the people who where left behind shouldn't have taken up arms and just should have waiting till daddy assad came back and banned them from speaking their lanqauge once again

I don't think anyone disputed that they weren't, but to say that YPG which is a cohesive military unit and the DFSNS which is a functioning government which provides services and conducts diplomatic missions to other countries is in no way just a "bunch of militias"
And the DFSNS is using the burgers as a geo-political tool, as the Russians and Iranians use Syria and vice versa. To suggest that these groups have no agency of their own though does not at all follow the facts considering the the US has pressured the DFSNS to stop supporting Apo and PKK neither of which they've done.
but of course:^)
Creating an entire new governing system serving as a dual power is totally just maintaining the status quo brah. You definitely do not sound like an ignorant moron :^)
You mean pointing out that he's a neo-liberal with neo-liberal and ethnically exclusive policies who's only in a position of power because of his last name? Why on earth would anyone ever consider that to be a valid argument for him being a shitty non-socialist leader :^)
That's why the KDP is running northern syria… oh wait :^)

And yet you think that DFSNS is somehow in the wrong for taking up arms and defending themselves, as though doing so is absurd when faced with the governments complete inadequacy to do so. Let's not at all hold government accountable for failing to do it's most basic of jobs like protecting it's citizens
Considering that Burgerland had no part in making it into a socialist and directly democratic society, or really any of it's defining features, I would say that's wrong.
I supported the DFSNS as soon as I heard about them during the earlier days of ISIS. Try again :^)
No of course not, they just buy 90% of their weapons from them and rely on them and Iran for political, financial and military support. But that of course doesn't make them at all a dependent puppet :^)
The accusation in itself is absurd and baseless. DFSNS is not a series of warlords and you can't possibly hope to prove that. It show a complete lack of understanding of the area and politics for you to even believe this

But I thought there was a low-level insurgency going on in Iranian Kurdistan already.

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no. some small clashes happened in 2016 after some more radical kurd nationals attempted to start a similar thing as was happening in iraq and syria, but local gendamerie cracked down on them.
if it was anything serious Tehran would have already sent a sizeable IRGC detachment that would wipe them out and impose martial law in areas around Soran and Sidekan,and there would be some small western MSM outcry about a oppression or somethoing.

that was allright. it was when the US specops and intl agents showed up to subvert the groups and steer them toward their objectives that things went maccaroni

militarly dumbass.

and before that?

most arab countries had soviet & russian equipment.
kinda what alliances are about
no. because syria would have done fine before the war if russia and iran stopped military support, given that the US wouldnt get hard seing that.

that an armed group will not attempt to impose their rethoric upon the populace of an area they control? that they will not excersise their authority in the area?

What did he mean by this?

doesent argue with my my point at all. X starts out small, gets powerful and…

from what i can tell something along the lines
the plan =/= how its gonna go

How is that an argument? It can be applied to any movement or government at any time at any place in history.

I really hate when people make posts like this. Rather than just saying "missing the point" and leaving what your point actually was ambiguous, please elaborate on what your point is. Then everyone who reads the thread can see not only what your point is, but also whether or not the user you were responding to did or did not miss said point. The way you've written your post, it seems like you're trying to say "Haha, you missed my point, which means you're so dumb that I'm not even going to state what my point is because you don't deserve it." The conversation can't continue after this point so effectively it's as if you didn't post at all.

t. not the user you were replying to

with varying degrees of certainty.

Except you haven't at all demonstrated how they've been subverted. They're still fighting ISIS as they've done since their inception
and how has military help translated to any change in political or social goals/actions
indifference.
So why is DFSNS ebil for accepting help while Assad dindu nuffin
They support them economically and politically as well, not just militarily. And no, Assad would not have been in power long even before the war without political allies
And this changes my point how exactly
Then post proofs that the area is under some despotic totalitarian control, and that the democratic administration is actually nonexistent.
Because Iran has served US foreign policy :^)

No your original point was that it was "a bunch of militias" and that's bullshit. Saying that any armed group can end up forming an administrating government isn't an argument against anything.
That's why Marx said workers will never rise up against their bosses or something :^) Your argument is completely incoherent but that's nothing new
Not even sure what point you're trying to make. It's somehow the DFSNS fault for Edrogan invading when Russia agreed to it and by proxy the Syrian government agreed to it? Even if it "were their fault" it's an absurd argument to make that simply because an authoritarian government will seek to stomp out any socialist movement that said movements are now a bad thing because of it.
Just because I'm not constantly sperging out about the US doesn't mean I like them. Just because the US is neo-liberal doesn't mean that I should support assad because he's in opposition to them, especially since he's a neo-liberal himself. Stop creating a false dichotomy.
Because he wasn't first in line for power, his older brother was but he died. I don't see how this disproves anything I said
Except you have failed at every turn to substantiate the truth of that statement, merely deflecting from his defects by saying how bad the US is.
Point being? I never denied this. My point was simply that the KDP, an ally to turkey and the US, has sought influence in DFSNS since day one but has never gained it and in fact been driven out of the country for the most part. If DFSNS was actually an american puppet then KDP would be the ones in power not the PYD.
DFSNS is doing the same thing that they've been doing before they even got US help which is to fight ISIS. You still haven't provided any evidence for how the US's help has changed anything about their goals despite that they've helped them to not get destroyed by ISIS
Except you haven't really done that, at all. If you were actually trying to do that you would be: 1) making coherent arguments you're not 2) providing evidence to support your arguments you haven't. To bystanders, you've only made yourself look like an idiot
Literally never did that either
Proofs? You should also qualify what you mean by "armed regional strongman". Usually, it's meant to refer to dictators like Sadamn or Assad. Considering that DFSNS has no despot at the top controlling things, I don't see how the term fits
Proofs? Again you have to qualify how they have the same geopolitical purpose as the US, and you haven't at all done so. The only thing they have in common is that they both are enemies of ISIS. Beyond that, DFSNS seeks to create a socialist society while the US wants globalized capitalism. Very different objectives
They're not fighting Assad, so I don't know what else you think it would be. If you want to make an argument as to why there's something else going on there then do so, but actually make a coherent argument and provide evidence to back it up.
So then provide evidence proving this. You can't though

What resources are being generated? There's no deal in place to give oil orr other resources to the US. The US doesn't control DFSNS for reasons I've already stipulated (not changing anything regarding their political or social goals, not distancing themselves from the PKK, not stopping being antagonistic to the US's ally turkey etc etc) You actually have to make an argument as to how and why the DFSNS would serve as a "bulwark".
Saying that there's "eternal status quo" makes me think you've never read Marx. This is just meaningless drivel without any relevant point tbh, since you could just as easily say the same thing about Assad
Nice reddit spacing btw. Maybe you should go back :^)

I didn't feel this was worth its own thread so I'm asking here: What do you think about Pan-Prabism and a potential dissolution off Syria as a nation-state somewhere in the future? Do you think Syria has developed a real sense of nationhood since the becoming independent from the Ottomans/France in its current borders, or should it dissolve in favour of a larger Arab or Levantine nation?

I would prefer a DemCon ME instead of a single ethno-state and many smaller ethno-states tbh

meant to link to

Thanks for the answer! Yes, I'm myself much more in favor of the communalist approach that Rojava is trying rather than a capitalist nation state.
I don't have anything against (socialist) nationalism though, as long as it doesn't lead to the ethnic hate and surpression of minorites that we've seen in the Ba'athist-ruled nations so far.

I don't think there is such a thing as "socialist nationalism" personally. democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm

Oh man thanks for the reminder to google Bookchin, will read when I have time.
I'm generally pretty interested in the topic of nationalism and nation-building as I fear in a communist, borderless world all the cultural divesity would quickly merge into one big "human nation" which could end up being quite boring.
Especially in the middle east nationalism could however in some ways be a "less destructive " ideology than the current islamism as a uniting force against imperialism, so at least the lesser evil so-to-speak.

Human culture would just increase in complexity rather then become simpler. The different aspects of culture will come to complement one another rather then outright replace.

I think I'd certainly miss being able to fly some hours in order to be in a completely different envoirement with different customs, ways of life and languages. This is already dissolving under capitalism though ofc.
Under DemCon, I could imagine there'd be even more cultural diversity than today though, ideally.
I think the greatest use for nationalism could be as a way towards communism, however. With today's trade relationships most established nations don't tend to go to war with eachothers,
it's rather the instable third world nations with colonial borders urepresentative of the people acually living there where most ethnic conflict and hate seems to happen.
As long as the global economic system forces countries to compete with one another, I think
e.g. african and middle eastern countries could fare much better economically and socially if there'd be some sense of regional unity. National pride is ofen a catalyst for strong armies and working moral nessecary to resist imperialism.
But maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, idk.

Nationalism usually preludes ethnic cleansing and conflict. Arab and african nationalism certainly hasn't provided much in the way of socialism so far at least

There's not much ethnic conflict betweet Italy and Germany to take a maybe unfitting example. I guess my point is, ethnic conflict will happen anyway, just look at all the african (insert nationality) liberation fronts of the 20th century.
I think eventually there will be no other way to peace and unity than giving each nation a state.
Part of why the ex-colonial countries are the way they are is because european powers figured it'd be an effectife strategy to divide the people against each others.
I'd love to see an end to tribalism, but I think it's unrealistic to think that this will come overnight.
The best chance in lifting the third world out of the situation it is in now will however very likely lie in forming nations capable of resisting imperialism.
A good example of that could be the planned "East African Federation" encompassing much of the economically strongest nations in East Africa.
I'm not really a fan of Leninism, but resisting imperialism is realistically the only way to stop exploitation of the third world,
and that will likely be impossible without some form of (pan)nationalism to unite the people, especially now in an age where socialism is effectively dead.

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pan-arabism is what modernised the middle east in the mid-20th century. that, and their hate for israel and wealth in oil.
dissolving syria will just create another shithole as was the case with iraq, libya and a bunch of other places where an autocratic central govermemt kept things in order.
as for syrian nationhood, id say yes. considering how syrian goverment forces have kept together, despite a majority sunni population, and seeing how people there feel now that the war is coming to a close, theres definetly some national identity there.
id say keeping to the same borders as before the war would be the best option, theyre shit borders, but atleast they were established at some point. if you went and wanted to draw borders to ethnic/religious lines and so forth youd just make it worse

at this point little to none.
there are however oilfields and refineries in the region, not to mention the Tabka dam and the Assad lake.

no, it just manipulates them to their objectives
can you get it trough your head that some puny idealism doesent matter to anyone in the region except those who fight because they actually beleive in it and follow those who they beleive wil lead them to it?
the US doesent do anything about the "ebil gommunist red sdar" on the flag, that theyve been fighting for the latter half of the previous century because they just dont give a shit. all they see is an asset on the ground as i explained.
and the beef with turkey is the only compromise theyve taken, and after a serious judgement and reevaluation of what assets are more valuable and profitable in the region.

lets see

i have, but i just cant see that global revolution when i look out my window yet, all i see is kids going to mcdonalds with their ipads.
like sitting in your room and posting on some imageboard while you wait for some revolution to spread from some desert to your country?
i dont remember any books being written by assad.

i don use reddit, because its shit with shitty opinions. the reson i make paragraphs like this is because its alot easier to write paragraphs of texts in an argument with this small textscreen Holla Forums offers you.

So I guess the board owner accepts these threads again because they stopped being pro-rojava circlejerks and turned into perpetual barfights instead. Good to see we're sticking to chan tradition. :^)

Aside from the massive shitstorm between anti-imperialists and YPG supporters, is there any other news available? Are the Kurds about to kill ISIS or are they still being delayed?

I believe it's public knowledge now that Michael Flynn accepted 500K trumpland funbux from Erdogan's party, to delay support for the Kurdish invasion of Raqqa. How much damage did Flynn actually do before he got fired again? Does anyone know this?

The problem with the nationalism as means to resisting imperialism is that it almost always means detroying regional and local identites in favor of creating an artificial identity that's imposed on the people instead of coming about organcally. There are so many ethnicities that it's really an absurd idea to give all of them a "nation" instead of simply giving them democratic autonomy and confederalizing to facilitate cooperation.

Just because they're not as bad as feudalistic monarchis doesn't mean they're a good thing. It's not as if these countries treat ethnic minorities well or ended ethnic conflict

A lot of pieces are moving the post wat balance is being set down now, once the "antiimps" have left and stopped being constantly buthurt maybe some real discussion can start again. US exit strategy and its strategic vacuum, gov economic issues, KRG independence, Rojava elections and outreach programs, DeZ and Euphrates Valley offensives, Rojava internal politics, EU not knowing how to go forward, Iran, Turkey ect. there is a lot approaching and happening right now. But its useless to talk about that here with tankies who actually think Assad is a great guy because Sputnik and Almasdar told them so and that the USA still has the main goal of creating regime change and wants to do that at all cost.

And so far DFSNS has refused to sell oil to other countries because they consider it to be the property of the Syrian people in general, and therefore not theirs to sell. Also, what oil refineries exist in the region?
You're going to have to explain how and provide evidence as such, because as it stands they're not doing anything differently then they were doing before US helped them, which is predominately fighting ISIS and setting up a system of Democratic Confederalism
It matters to Turkey and the US because they realize that DemCon is a threat to them, otherwise why would the US be pressuring them in the first place?
Except that they explicitly asked them to distance themselves from the PKK and Apo. That shows that they do indeed care and I don't see how you can argue otherwise
You pretend as if this is nothing when Turkey is a powerful NATO member in the region
1)US is a temporary ally and wants their weapons back. 2) The bases are not permanent and there's no deal in place to create a permanent base, nor are they really anything more then a few buildings and a dirt airstrip. 3) Russia has it's own bases in DFSNS. 4) None of this explains how the DFSNS would be a bulwark when they're not even fighting Assad or have any kind of economic or really even political ties outside of the temporary military alliance.
Confirmed for never having read Marx
Confirmed for butthurt
Confirmed for lacking reading comprehension
Sure you don't kiddo :^)
Smart move not responding to the majority of my points. At least you're smart enough to know when you're beat :^)

Looks like Rojava has some new toys

I fucking love kurd music btw
youtube.com/watch?v=EeNjJCEYCMc

twitter.com/Acemal71/status/893023239752036352

I guess this is going to happen a lot now. Protip: don't go to Turkey for the next 10-20 years when anyone knows that you've aided YPG in any way. That might sound like common sense, but some dutch medic still went on a summer holiday to a Turkish beach and got ratted out and arrested.

I rather doubt that the US has its shit together and even knows what it wants right now. I'm going to give YPG the benefit of the doubt and say that they're milking a schizophrenic foreign administration for resources for as long as possible.

In b4 "the US knows exactly what it's doing just like everywhere else". I'm not really convinced. The CIA wanted to use jihadists to remove Assad but this plan blew up in their faces, so now the Pentagon is trying to clean up the mess by giving air support to the Kurds. Trump has no idea what he's doing, obviously, and he's just going to do whatever he feels like doing, even if it costs 100 million bucks in cruise missiles and hits nothing.

Now, you can argue that the US, incompetent or not, are still going to infest the area and never go away. But they actually CAN go away. There is still hope for the US to fuck off with their bases. It wouldn't be the first time that an "ally" completely turned on them, vowed loyalty to mother Russia instead and gave the US six months to clear their airbase. It happened in Uzbekistan in 2005. In b4 some idiot goes, "hey I bet Uzbeks are cool and anti-imperialist then!" Don't you fucking dare. If I ever, EVER, catch any of you tankies praising Uzbekistan's fascist government I'm going to find out where you live, smash your macbook and piss on your favorite ushanka.

youtube.com/watch?v=5YiuRRqTh_c

IRPGF martyr Robert Grodt's funeral. Gonna try steering this thread outside the exhausting anti imperialist shitposting and bring it back to the typical comfy Rojava thread.

they've likely bought these off the very rebels they're firing them at lmao

Funny how all these "Critical supporters" of Assad never have anything critical to say about him. Even saying barrel bombs are bad will get you banned.

How? They're clearly Russian

ill make 2 parts ok?

pt#1

i didnt argue. you just got offended when i called a bunch of militias that formed a goverment a bunch of militias.
yugoslav partisans were "a bunch of militias" and they made SFRY a thing (PFRY first tho). same with Mao and his armies, and alot more other cases. many great things have small beginnings.

i dont see neither the SDF or workers in western countries rising up (there are a few hope giving cases in my country tho, but for the most part the capitalist system has evoleved to the point where the opperssed are indoctrinated to simply be ignorant of exploitation)

i think theres a misunderstanding. i was refering to the local conflict in turkey, and beleived you said that
was reffering to the current political situation in turkey.
correct me if im wrong please

he was picked over his other brothers because he was a more diplomatic coolheaded person, familiar with the west (due to his studies).
if it was all about whos the biggest fish and the most political animal his brother Maher would replace him and things would probably have been alot different.

syria was stable before the war, yes?
it was doing better than compared to most other countries in the region, yes?
the goverment was authoritatrian and centralist, yes?
it kept the country in order for decades, yes?
a case study of iraq, where a power vacuum appeared with the ousting of an authoritian goverment would suggest that syria would follow the same path should assad be ousted, no?
another hellhole like iraq in the late 2000s would not be good for the region, no?
the one major faction (among others that is) which is regardesly pushing for assads ousting (or rather was taking into account trumps recent presidental gymnastics) is the USA, no?

pt#2
the US doesent openly intrude in the political machinations of the DFSNS because it seeks to avoid any argument with them, and attempting to reform the leadership like that would be an obvious red flag for DFSNS. do you have any concept of practicallity or are you all about theory

irrelevant. the pretext the US is using is that theyre thre to "help them fight ISIS"

are you retarded? havent i told you that the US intentions with rojava arent ideological but strategic?

arguments are coherent because you have such a cognitive bias disorder that you cant even think of the possibility of adapting your perfect little fantasy narrative to anything new, everything else must adapt to it.
also what bystanders? you really think anyone reads this crap after a few new posts are made?

no, you just politely pointed out that the US involvement in world affairs is really not that big, is that it?

that big yellow color when you look at the map?
a singular faction/group/individual that excersises authority over a certain area or community

the US is clearly not supporting rojava against ISIS just because of PR+.
and they dont have the same geopolitical purpose, i said that rojava and european countries and other US vassal states have the same geopolitical purpose for the US: to serve as extensions of geopolitical influence and power
and if you think that the US is some short term planner when it comes to shifting political and economic paradigms of countries youre damn wrong

the US plan to oust assad using various rebel groups has failed. right now theyre attempting to make the best of it and try to weaken syria by various economic and strategic means, such as holding the areas in the north.
you wouldnt know this because you limit your perspective on syria exclusively to blogs and twitteraccounts related to rojava. and when someone posts an "alien" source that disputes or makes your narrative look bad, you dismiss it with implications and ad hominems.

ok lets start simple so that you can follow:
1) syria is a country
2)that country has its territory, on it are cities, industry, infrastructure
3) when someone takes that away, its bad for syria

what country there was better before baathism?
and it is gonna be a long time before theres no ethnic tensions in the middle east.

what country there was better before baathism?
and it is gonna be a long time before theres no ethnic tensions in the middle east.

who sais that

Neck yourselve retard

And the rest of your post is exactly what the problem with this thread is since idiots like you ruined it. Please go away you have no clue and think fighting ISIS is "PR" for the USA.

youd be surprised how ecomoy can shift when wars end. and what oil refineries? there is (or was, im still looking for it) a VICE episode on rojava areas after ISIS was gone and the oil bussines there. anyway
ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/
now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/565952-syria-kurds-making-millions-from-oil-sales
dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2017/07/28/assad-shares-oil-revenues-with-pyd-terrorists
*i added that last one more for lulz than sauce since its some pissed off turks

ive said it plenty times and ill say it again:
US uses them as an excuse to be in syria and excersise their military capabilities, and does not give a shit about some ideological and macroeconomic bussines that rojava has currently

theyre more worried about insurgency than wrongthink

becaus they need an "ally" to say it their way

because of turkey, not some boogeyman communism from the 80s

oh its far from nothing. the US is spilling sphaggeti exactly because turkey is so powerful. theyve gotten off the leash and besides taking control over rebel groups from the US and warming ties to russia, theres also alot of shit because of the coup and the kurd issues. turkey, despite being a NATO memeber, has become "unreliable" for US foregein policy in the region.

ill need some good sauce, as in not just some empty US spokesman promises
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because of turkey. the US is still sweating and walking in circles because it doesent know what to do about tukey, so rojava asks russians for help.
>4) None of this explains how the DFSNS would be a bulwark when they're not even fighting Assad
the objective is no longer to directly fight assad, did you forget or are just pretending you cant read?
mmmmhm

then enlighten me what part did i miss, or are we just talking too early and the conditions for the revolution are simply not fit quite yet

you mean confirmed for being sceptical of you being anything but a revolutionary and an activist

then what exactly did you mean about "the same being said about assad" in a discussion on theory in books?

i dont, and what points? im replying if you cant read.

literally who?

i dont know what part are you mad about (reffering to) exactly

no, SDF supporters think that. im cynical of that. learn to read

If you want to be intellectually dishonest and imply that you didn't mean it as a criticism then OK, I'll let you back pedal this time :^)
At this point you're just arguing against revolution in general it seems. It would be nice if you could actually make a coherent argument for once. I would argue and say that the DFSNS is indeed a case of workers rising up, though it's dimensions is not limited to merely worker struggle
Still not sure of your point though. You seem to be implying that just because Edrogan hasn't been overthrown instantaneously by a dual power that a dual power does not effect the status quo, which is an absurd suggestion
He was unilaterally picked by the current ruling Monarch. I don't see how this at all challenges my point, unless you unironically subscribe to some reactionary ideal of a "philosopher king"
Not necessarily, since there were revolts in places like Qamishli long before the war. Stability with tyranny isn't a desirable state of affair anyways
You have a pretty low bar m8. Just because Syria wasn't a failed state doesn't mean that the government wasn't shit. The choices aren't between a shitty neo-liberal dictatorship with ethnic repression or a failed state.
DFSNS doesn't want to oust Assad, except through democratic elections, so I don't see your point.

OK now you're just outright contradicting yourself. First you claim that the US is controlling them and now you're saying that the US doesn't intrude in it's politics? Top kek
Not irrelevant at all. You need to substantiate how the DFSNS is being manipulated by the US, and you haven't been able to do that still
Temporary alliance with the DFSNS will only translate to a long term relationship if the DFSNS abandons it's socialist goals, and it won't. There is no agreement for permanent bases or troops
They're not though. I'm not even sure what you're arguing against half the time besides being vaguely anti-US and DFSNS and pro-Assad.
Yeah of course people read these. You've already seen other people pitch in.
Didn't do that either. This is what I mean when I say your arguments are completely incoherent. Seems like your just throwing out shit and hoping something sticks
You mean governments? You used the term strongmen to try and disparage the DFSNS when what you mean by it is simply a governing body.
Didn't say that. The US sees ISIS as a threat to it's goals in the region since it threatens puppet governments like Iraq
We've been over this already: DFSNS and the US are using each other, but DFSNS doesn't have an interests in keeping US troops in the area long term. More then likely, DFSNS will keep the weapons after ISIS is defeated and use them against the US's ally Turkey.
Yes because the US is totally just playing 4d chess and isn't currently run by a complete idiot at the moment. Oh, and the DFSNS totally doesn't have it's own political agency or something
Except the US doesn't hold any territory, the DFSNS does, and the DFSNS co-occupies a lot of land in the north already with the Syrian government.
Somebodies buttmad. Insulting you isn't making an ad hom attack btw.
1)Russia is a country
2)that country has its territory, on it are cities, industry, infrastructure
3) when someone takes that away, its bad for Russia
Wow, Bolsheviks totally BTFO amiright? :^)

As far as I know, the Oil refineries like most industry in general was built outside of northern syria.
Fake News. Sad! One uses Rudaw as it's main source, which is a barzani mouth piece, and the other is blatantly a mouth piece for Ankara. The one at the top doesn't show the DFSNS controlling any refineries
Actually the US uses ISIS as an excuse to be in Syria, not the DFSNS. There's no evidence for their continued stay after ISIS is gone, no is their any agreement in place to that effect
You can't separate the insurgency from the ideology that drives it. Mind you, Ankara is actively purging professors and anyone else anti-edrogan at the moment.
Turkey is a US ally you, that's why they care
I never implied otherwise. My point ultimately was to counter your point that the DFSNS is a tool of the US when the consistently do things the US dislikes like supporting their allies enemy.
Can't say I disagree, but ultimately I think you miss the point
Frankly the only thing we have to go on is that the US has promised it's ally, turkey, that they will publicly and officially. businessinsider.com/r-us-tells-turkey-it-will-take-back-weapons-from-kurdish-militia-turkish-sources-2017-6
Not sure what this means, but if you have proof to contrary do share it. There was a rumor that their would be a permanent base but that was proven to be false
I'll have to comment on the rest of this later, I got shit to do

Mousillini was a fascist and he didn't give a fuck about race.

You can't just call anything that is authoritarian and not socialism "fascism"

southfront.org/syrian-war-report-august-4-2017-army-sdf-boost-cooperation-set-up-joint-operations-room/

SDF and SAA are officially allies. Leftypol is now a non-sectarian board. All violators will be barrel bombed and indoctrinated into the hivemind that is Democratic Confederalism,

kek

So can tankies shut the fuck up about muh deeply triggering and excellent kurdcentric, raycist imperialism?

HAPPENING

Ethnicity meaning culture and language, not race.

I'm reading these and you're making an ass of yourself, the other guy's points aren't perfect, some are downright dumb, but holy shit you're just so incoherent, paranoid and accusatory.

Well I'm always open to constructive criticism

you sound like fucking howard jesus

NO. NO. NOOO!
Don't you realize? This means the SAA are the puppets of imperialist puppets! this means we now need to support the Islamic State against western imperialism.

How so?

youre not me

just call him a faggot or something don't do the constructive criticism thing

Al Sunnah is now under SAA control

Ethnicity=/=Race If it did there wouldn’t be black alt-right supporters.

A Communalist Syria is becoming closer to reality.

looks like some red lizard head or something

nigga what?

Rojava News: SDF blowing up a FSA-military vehicle after they've tried to attack Ayn Daqnah
youtube.com/watch?v=NBQI878WcLs

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Just 30 days into your defending the Turkish border and chill and all of a sudden this beast roles up blasting Bejî Bejî YPG and says "Give Rojava access to the Mediterranean, turkroach"

What would you do?

Spread my cheeks and let it happen

btfo turkroatches

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/6rznt5/salih_us_military_bases_in_syria_are_temporary/?st=1Z141Z3&sh=d997ccb0

PYD co president Salih Muslim explicitly states that US's presence in Rojava is temporary and their aim is not an independent Kurdistan but a federalised Syria

Makes all the bs in this thread worth it tbh

Continuing the proud libsoc tradition of having weird fucking armor

All the Stalinoid niggers making so much noise a second ago became really quiet all of the sudden>>1935974

fixed

i want socialists to be killed by reactionary islamists in the name of 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧anti imperialism🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

you must be that israeli YPG OP from that thread the other day

ive never even heard of syria before 2015

memetastic

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