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Who /HoxhaistGang/ here?
Anthony Morris
Other urls found in this thread:
espressostalinist.com
links.org.au
salon.com
ciml.250x.com
twitter.com
Asher Bennett
Where is Russia imperialist?
Anthony Cook
In the economic sense they most certainly are imo though they are a weaker imperialism:espressostalinist.com
Also, the proxy wars going on in Ukraine and Syria show that Russia is willing to use military force to pursue their interests.
Jeremiah Turner
Hey, so long as you want to directly arm the workers, abolish the value form, and have some form of public accountability for the party as to prevent a second corruption and reversion to markets, I like you.
Aiden Williams
In Syria they are actually having a net loss concerning support of their ally, the Syrian state. How is that imperialist?
In Crimea, they are investing millions of bucks into integrating Crimea into the Russian Federation. Ukraine as a country was targeted for imperialism, with the end goal to establish a free trade zone between EU and Ukraine (which means low wage labor for the EU). They are also collaborating with fascists. Russia supports a milita in Donbass that is currenty collectivizing factories of oligarchs. Also, operating at a net loss.
Generally, read this:
links.org.au
Jose Morgan
Because they expect a significant return from these countries in the future. After the fall of Iraq and Libya, Russia couldn't sit back and watch another one of its "traditional allies" in the middle east go down without a fight. If it had something to do with anti-imperialist principles, whether of proletarian or national bourgeois origin, they would've done more to stop the destruction of Libya and Iraq.
The US has openly said that it is their policies to go after the remaining former Soviet client states, the Russian capitalists are hoping to use these states as a basis to build up the support of their own tottering capitalism at home. From what I can tell the US is the primary aggressor but these are inter-imperialist wars rather then anti-imperialist wars. But, Russia knows that Syria and even Ukraine are key-spots to control if it wants to expand its imperialist hegemony through increased control of the global oil and natural gas industries. Crimea, was one of Russia's last overseas bases, and one of its most important naval bases–that is why the Russians annexed Crimea in response to the fascist coup but were far-less interested in the rest of the country (though not uninterested of course…)
Of course, I'm well aware of the horrible things done by the Nazis in Ukraine or the Jihadists in Syria. Accusations have been made about the Assad government which would make it seem very brutal if it turns out 1/5th of it turns out to be true.
The economic arguments I think are well-made on the article I posted and address some of the concerns in the link you sent. Russia isn't the powerhouse it once was but isn't Bolivia or even Mexico either. China is the other dominant super-power contending for power in the world today and as such the Russians aren't as powerful but they seem to be in a way that was said of Italian imperialism in the late 19th century: "They've grown hunger before they've grown teeth." or in this case the've lost teeth but hope to regrow them.
The Russian Left is responding to the Russian government's increasing domestic repression and foreign adventurism:
salon.com
this maybe one of the only Salon articles I will ever link to but it is quite decent
Christopher Hernandez
Just let the Titogang annex you, famalam.
Blake Mitchell
*blocks your path*
Landon Cooper
Clinton got Milosevic.
Old age got Tito.
Cameron Robinson
I consider you a comrade if it's any consolation
Logan Parker
We're all comrades here
Except Nazbols
Gabriel Robinson
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Daniel Morales
you've got to live the meme though.
Kayden Gutierrez
Age got Tito; Clinton just fucked up everything Tito spent his life working on. In some ways that's crueler then being Gaddifi'd.
Noah Turner
mao gang or drown bitch
Lucas Jenkins
ayy.
Jackson Gray
I'm openly a Totalitarian.
While I would certainly not say that I 'get along' with most on this board.
I have found my interactions with the people on here enjoyable enough to stick around for years.
If I can enjoy myself here, I'm sure that an actual Marxist would be able to as-well.
What is wrong with Ismail?
While he has been rather strange as of late.
He is still one of the best read M-Ls currently alive, it is kinda scary.
Julian King
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Hudson Allen
I think to argue wether or not Russia is imperialist is an extremely tedious debate, and to be honest I think both side make valid points. However, let's assume Russia is imperialist, don't you think that the quality of Russian imperialism is extremly marginal in comparison with western imperialism (and partly also Chinese imperialism)? Don't you think that Russia, in its current economic condition, is more interested in maintainig and defending the sovereignty of former NAM states instead of undermining it? It is quite interesting to see how the former non-bloc nations maintained their neutral position beyond the end of the Cold War, and apperently, this royally messes with US interests.
Connor Foster
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Brody Torres
I don't get why the fuck anyone would call themselves a Hoxhaist. What did he contribute to Marxism except for dogmatism and being really hardcore about sucking Stalin's dick? What separates Hoxhaism from Marxism-Leninism except for being extra dogmatic? Also he was really autistic towards Mao.
Robert Diaz
I would say he degenerated into a full Brezhnevite path that ables him to defend Tito's Yugoslavia and Dengist China.
Despite that, he's better than 99% people from here.
Another thing I can't get is that if you defend a Marxist-Leninist point of view, that is to say, Lenin-Stalin Party and teachings people links you with Hoxha. Why the fuck one must be Hoxhaist or some sort of it because of defending Lenin and Stalin? I have never been Hoxhaist also I'm a lot anti-Hoxha in several things. I only defended Lenin and Stalin my whole life before I knew from Hoxha's existence.
Kayden Wright
THIS WILL BE GOOD
Jace Lopez
Yes, but that does not keep them from defending their interests violently to the detriment of the working class. They have been able to camouflage their defense of their interests in Ukraine more or less under the flag of lesser-evilism to a greater or lesser degree. The rebels in Syria and Nazis in Ukraine were such barbarians that I think many entered a kind of mindset where they begun to think that Russia and its proxies can do no wrong. And it isn't just a question of 'muh evil russians' but in fact China has interests in Syria and Ukraine and from what I can tell they broadly coincide with Russian interests because if they didn't Russia would be in a world of pain rn.
Truth be told, Brazil is probably a more powerful (and younger) imperialist state then Russia is at present:ciml.250x.com
The days when Russia (when part of the USSR) was a main engine of the world's second largest economy are long-gone despite not being that long ago. The crisis of "communism" and its East-bloc successor states in 1989 and the 90s was probably the greatest capitalist crisis in history and in many way in presaged the coming 2008 crisis that came to nuke the traditional Western centers of capitalism. Russia will probably never be back to where they were at the height of their power for one because they had a lot of non-Russian soviet help in this but they are trying.
NAM does trigger American autism but it is not anti-capitalist. Russia (bar the Syrian intervention) will probably not be a major military player in the Third World outside of an imperialist coalition (BRICS, being the start of this) but I think we should be on guard yes. They probably have an interest in supporting the European and American far-right, Putin sees Russia as a beacon of conservative values in an increasingly liberal, multi-cultural world. I'm not one of those types that spergs out if someone posts RT don't worry but I think Russia and the global Left are perhaps at cross-purposes.
Daniel Green
Russia has no proxies in Ukraine since People's of Donbass are always blaming Putin and Russia why they are not doing something while they dying.
Russia is not imperialist. Yet.
Christian Bennett
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Chase Ward
not really although I've dealt with themes of his in my "music" (actually harsh noise/goregrind/power electronics) I'm just not a fan of Albania.
Tyler Turner
Which ones are those because Mao is a complete mess.
Camden Edwards
Brazil can't even conquer itself.
Brody Perry
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Liam Hall
I wonder how significant Ismail is to the history of Internet Hoxhaism. In 2007-2009 there really wasn't that much online about it. He was a founding member of the American Party of Labor and also helped found an online group called "Hoxhaist Union" before that, which spread the holy doctrines of Hoxha far and wide. He helped put Hoxha writings online back when there was hardly any available. I think the Hoxha article on Wikipedia is still mostly his work even though he hasn't edited it in many years. He also wrote two huge Wikipedia articles on the Soviet-Albanian and Sino-Albanian splits that are detailed enough to appear in an academic journal.
So if Ismail left the Holy Church of Hoxha I can see why Hoxhaists will be sour about it.
Tyler Perez
Operation Car Wash
Owen Stewart
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Nathan Johnson
If I'm remembering right (I used to talk to Ismail on AIM) he left a year or two after helping establish the APL because he felt it wasn't really going anywhere and also because he felt he couldn't help it out, since most of its members were in places like Atlanta and Chicago while he was the only APL member in his location. He lives somewhere in the Northeast in a rather poor area near an Indian reservation.
Jose Cook
That sounds rather sad actually. He was probably disillusioned seeing that the communist movement is rather dead in the West. Usually people become either hardcore Leftcoms or Third Worldists when that happens, but Ismail chose to become an apologist for every type of revisionism that exists, because these tendencies still remain somehow relevant.
Joshua Turner
Cuba, China, North Korea and Vietnam still exist and within the US parties like the WWP, FRSO and PSL do much more than the APL. Not surprising that he would want to follow any of these rather than hold onto the absurd view that the only "real" socialist for decades was the leader of Albania.