Convinced the German Communist Party to vote with the Far Right repeatedly near the end of the Weimar Republic...

Give me an example where they "consistently" voted with the DNVP and the NSDAP. Only once they gave some NazBol guy from the NSDAP, Ernst Graf zu Reventlow, some space in their newspaper - which was heavily critisized by Stalin who called the KPD "coffeehouse communists" afterwards! If you refer to the dissolution of the Reichstag everytime the delegates of a party leave the plenary session - how is that a concession to the far-right? It's merely an expression of resistence against far-right politics. And by the way, after 1933, Stalin wasn't nice to KPD members in the Russian exile who acted like retards During Weimar, a lot of them got purged however I don't know how much of that happened on Stalins order or on Yezhovs during one of his solos.

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It's almost like capitalist crises in first world economies have a tendency to produce fascism or something.

It's useless.

You can unload any amount of damning evidence that Stalin was a shitty person with an even shittier understanding of Marxism, Leninism, or basic revolutionary praxis; MLs will still worship him because they all have massive daddy issues.

Holy fucking shit that's messed up.

Fucking Stalin.

Where is all the damning evidence? I've been here for years so I've seen leftcom-ancom anti-Stalinist spamming for years and it's always the most pathetic show, always Wikipedia articles, pear-clutching and one-liners.

I find those who accuse Stalin of having a poor understanding of Marxism and Leninism have never read his works despite all the protestation to the contrary.

I think Mustache Soviet is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills Germans and Russians and doesn't afraid of anything.

Were the gestapo–nkvd conferences necessary pragmatism too?

Evidence that Stalin was a shitty person:

Evidence of his shitty understanding of Marx and Lenin

I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

The bourgeoisie wanted him dead from day one kid. The paranoia was completely justified. Also liberal anti-nazi communists (prior to WWII) deserved to be purged since fighting nazi Germany was exactly what the European/western bourgeoisie wanted the USSR to do.

This isn't your average every day ideology

This is ADVANCED ideology

Stalin did literally nothing right.

t. trot

No the liberals supported fascism. They wanted the USSR and Germany to fight it out. That was the whole point. Stalin was rightly terrified of a war with Germany. It's easy to be pro-war/conflict when you are a non-russian communist/generic leftist and therefore aren't going to be in the crossfire.

I hope some tank is writing a response to this because some of these points are debatable or really stupid but I'm too lazy

Trotsky was a narcissist and had some incredibly stupid ideas, but his critique of Stalinism was spot-on.

Literally nobody with any significant amount of power had this as their goal. The bourgeoisie who supported Nazism did so because it would make them rich and they wanted it to last, not because they thought the Nazis and Soviets would kill each other.

Everything I listed is historical fact.

It's not my fault that you don't read.

Wow, how much longer are you gonna a beat a dead horse? We get it already your Dad is a neocon from a wealthy Russian-Jewish expat family.

The facts are that Stalin was opposed to Zionism and not Jewish culture per se although he did not personally believe Jews were a nation he did not oppose the construction of a Jewish nation:
libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=9E9CCCF5FC6324A924B56271910903CC
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

In fact, most Jews benefited so much from their cultural inclusion in the USSR that they weren't too interested in Birobidzhan–which essentially proved Stalin's point in the national question that Soviet Jews did not constitute a nation. After the Holocaust they considered making Crimea a second Jewish homeland within the USSR but decided against it since it wouldn't have been fair to the Tartar people of Crimea.

Many of Stalin's best friends and advisors were Jewish, which is a major reason for the popular (though false) fascist claim that the USSR under Stalin was a Jewish-run state. He upheld Soviet laws against anti-semitism and in fact opposed anti-semitism during the Doctors Plot, which he ascribed to Zionism rather then to the Jewish people.

The only anti-communists who even believe in the Stalin=anti-semite line are those that subscribe to the popular Zionist line that anything a non-Jewish person does or says to criticize a Jewish person or to criticize the Zionist movement is necessarily anti-semitic.

Many MLs believe that Stalin consented to the foundation of Israel, if he did so then he clearly deserves to be criticized in spite of the suffering that Jews went through and the "restorative" justice that this might've been. However, the fact that we're debating this is more evidence that he was not some sort of pathological anti-semite, even the founding fathers of Israel (anti-communist though they were) admitted that Stalin was not an anti-semite but an anti-anti-semite.

For a minoritarian reading against the point of view that Stalin supported Israel.
ml-review.ca/aml/AllianceIssues/All30iii.htm

I'd waste my time debunking the rest of your post but your dishonest treatment of this one issue should show everyone that you're lying through your teeth. Besides, its not like Holla Forums retains anything from these kind of debates–I can debunk all I want but it will never make an impression on people who've made up their minds against Stalin to begin with.

Jews were explicitly denied legal rights under the USSR that other groups had. Get your head out of your ass.

See the concept of a "rootless cosmopolitan"

tonykaron.com/what-is-rootless-cosmopolitan/

Meant to link here:

cyberussr.com/rus/chernov/chernov-cosmo-e.html#end

This is why Stalinists fucking piss people off by the way. You completely brush off all of Stalin's many, many excesses and killings and repression as something funny or like the people who rightfully oppose those policies are just liberal whiners. Fuck you.

I don't know, he was the only one who has actually been making arguments in this thread so far. All you say is that it pisses you off. If the "excesses and killings" are so well substantiated, you can surely provide evidence.

Yeah, except all those points I made in the post he's literally responding to.

Are you fucking blind?

Maybe the concept of social fascism was indeed erroneous but it's important to remember the embarrasing behavior of socialist parties during WWI. Also, it was Hindenburg the one who ultimately gave all power to Hitler.

Also Stalin made a pact with Germany only after western countries ignored his plea to make an alliance with the Soviet Union, and it was the nazis who ultimately broke the arrengement launching operation barbarossa because they believed the soviet army was weak, when in fact Stalin had been preparing for war.

And important to remember that Germany and Hitler's rise was done thanks to the fact that the western countries wanted to avoid any conflict and allowed the annexation of Czechoslovakia.

You didn't make arguments, you made claims. You make the claim, you have to provide an explanation. You come over as overly emotional right now.

I didn't feel the claims I made warranted sourcing since they are so spectacularly well-documented.

But here you go:

Stalin's purges:

blogs.bu.edu/guidedhistory/moderneurope/laura-hill/

Stalin's personality cult:

press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n2129/html/ch02.xhtml?referer=2129&page=8

Policy of social-fascism:

commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-ghost-of-social-fascism/

Policy of Menshevism in Spain and China:

quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=acls;cc=acls;view=toc;idno=heb99012.0001.001
en.internationalism.org/internationalreview/201211/5319/disastrous-results-comintern-policy

Indeed, the Soviet Union was one of the first countries to recognize the state of Israel, and in Mapam they where all stalinists initially.

Homosexuals in gulags:

slavamogutin.com/gay-in-the-gulag/

General social conservatism of Stalin's USSR:

country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-12555.html
marxists.org/history/etol/writers/harber/1945/national.htm

Those all are complex issues though, and in fact even those sources go beyond the typical "Stalin was literally evil and stupid" thesis.

The purges and show trials where terrible, but the party dynamic and in-fighting is way more complex, the animosity and power struggle grew out of debated topics like the national question, the exportation of the revolution and economic policies.

Also, again, the Soviet Union was the only country who strongly supported the legitimate republican goverment in Spain against Franco, meanwhile the US was blacklisting the people who joined the Lincoln brigade…

It's not a matter of saying Stalin was the worst person ever or whatever.

I contend that he was a *bad* person who either didn't understand the writings of Marx and Lenin or didn't really care about them. I feel his actions and policies verify that. It's hard to picture Lenin, who was one of the fiercest critics of nationalism in even semi-modern history, looking at the way Stalin talked about the state and nations and nodding approvingly. It's hard to picture Marx, who believed the DotP would fundamentally lead to the weakening and eventual disintegration of the State looking at Stalin's talk about the State only becoming stronger and stronger under socialism and nodding approvingly.

These aren't minor theoretical differences. These are the core elements of Marxism and, I would argue, socialism in general.

I agree to a certain degree, and Stalin made clear the he had issues with Lenin in his writings (Problems of Leninism), and he didn't follow marxism to a tee (making it more accesible but also more vulgar, e.g "dialectical materialism"), although it should also be noted that not all of Marx's writings where available and translated at the time. I know the socialism in one country policy is controversial and imperfect but we also have to understand the situation of Russia at the time, a backwards country whose industrialization lead to a lot of bureaucracy, and a civil war that left the country without a chance of really exporting the revolution. He improvised and made tough decisions with the objective of assuring the future of the soviet union ( a fragile nation at the time).

You mean the same garbage that killed Rosa and crushed the 1919 revolution and then later shut on anyone to their left?
I'm sure a coalition with them is a good idea!

But dude don't you realize that it is the left's responsibility to save first world liberals from fascism even when doing so hampers the establishment of socialism?

The sad thing is I would agree with the argument if the social democrats weren't literally the head of the reaction smh

an article about rootless cosmopolitans (not written by Stalin btw) to prove that Stalin hated Jews and that Jews were repressed in the USSR
Lmao what a poor show.

literally whatever
what are you, his fucking boyfriend?

what revisionism?

nothing wrong with propaganda
also, you're exaggerating his personality cult
some asslicking in speeches, some passages in books about how great stalin is, some posters, some busts and photos in the cabinets
meh

where it is documented?
also, in his situation paranoia was justified
there's a medical research that claims he was poisoned

Bukharin and co were tried and found guilty
and The Trot got what he was asking for
should've offed him earlier

so what are you proposing?
keeping prisoners as welfare queens?
why should they be entitled to society's surplus if they don't work?
why should peasants feed prisoners? why should prols clothe them?

what do you want from him
cubism as an official state art style?

wat

Stalin was one of the creators of the state of Israel dude
who would've thought that jews would go full landgrab mode afterwards

kek, cry me a river faggot

what firsthand accounts?
Zhukov and Rokossovsky characterized him positively in their memoirs
Molotov and Kaganovich who worked with him for decades characterized him positively
his bodyguard in an interview was talking about what a great guy Stalin was

he loved his daughter, and as far as I know he never physically abused his family members
Svetlana mentioned him embarrassing her in front of other people for her open dress, and how ashamed and angry she was
but this is nothing extraordinary

and him refusing to trade his son for a german general was just a common sense

soviet type socialism is compatible with state patriotism

soviet economic system indeed can be imposed on other countries

bullshit
read his national question faggot
common ethnic background is only one and more so not necessary aspect of a nation among many

you don't know what you're talking about

where was he trying to neutralize
fucking Greece?

wtf are you even talking about?
what do you want, polygamy and weed lmao?

socdems were responsible for Hitler you fucking idiot
socdems literally validated social-fascism as a term

there were elections on many different levels
if you're telling me that it was worse than burger democracy then just kys

alliance?
you're a fucking peanutbrain mate

why the hell did the Nazi's invade Russia then

Here's those daddy issues I was talking about.

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not an argument

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I suppose I should go more in depth, even though tankies, as proven by this thread, are fucking sycophants who would defend Bush Jr. if he changed the US flag to a hammer and sickle.

Have I mentioned that you should go fuck yourself?

Saying he spearheaded the October Revolution when his role was minimal at best, for one.

You literally just described the atmosphere of a religious cult. But, again, you have a major hard-on for authority (or, specifically, father) figures, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.

Stop playing stupid, you stupid glib motherfucker.

Anyone with an even cursory knowledge of Stalin's regime knows about the purges and his tendency to kill people who weren't yes men or, more accurately, who WERE yes men but not enthusiastic enough about it.

Textbook show trials.

Just another indication that tankies are horrible people.

I wasn't critiquing the gulag system (there's plenty to critique though), I was saying he sent his political opponents (or those he perceived to be his political opponents) to gulags.

Being a Marxist would be a nice start.

The family unit sponsored by the Soviet state was explicitly patriarchal and traditional.

Still persecuted Jews in the USSR.

Have I mentioned you should go fuck yourself?

Yeah, and I'm sure joking about his suicide attempt immediately after hearing about it was also common sense.

You should never have children, btw.

You haven't read Lenin if you think this is true. Read fucking Lenin instead of masturbating to your Stalin portraits.

The way he set up the USSR as a collection of ethno-nations begs to differ.

The SRs and Mensheviks were very clear that they thought the revolution should be "postponed" until the bourgeois revolution was completed. Go fucking read a book you stupid piece of shit.

Germany and Italy you dumb fucking fuck.

I'm talking about you're a Republican who likes the color red and you should go fuck yourself with a cactus.

No, I'm pretty sure castrating the KPD despite the enormous revolutionary potential of the Weimar Republic was responsible for Hitler.

We have fucking hindsight. How can you possibly still justify a policy that literally let fascism happen in THREE fucking countries you ginormous autist?

Except not the Party leadership who were literally in charge of everything.

An imperialist agreement to split a conquered country in half is an alliance you massive, gaping asshole.

Yeah, I know. I'm just meming.

Dude are you literally losing your mind rn? That reddit-spacing is fucking embarrassing as shit and I'd delete my Holla Forums account if I were you. You linked to yourself in the second post instead of the poster you were trying to critique ffs.

So, far I'm pretty disappointed in your supposed "in-depth" critique which is just you spewing some well-known anti-com talking points and Trotskyist platitudes almost all in the form of le ebin one-liners.
You know if you go back to the original source the Stalin society used it comes from info put out by a Russian LGBT website about the period, just sayin'.

I'm fucking pissed, sue me.

The reason my points are so well known is because they're basic common sense and only people with major authority issues can't see that.

Shoulda gave more to the Nazbols. A Niekisch administration would've been a non-threat.

hmm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

theredstarvanguard.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/on-the-purging-of-the-old-bolsheviks/