Go on /r/neoliberal

when did leftists become so reactionary and spooky?

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theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/macron-greece-french-left-marine-le-pen-yanis-varoufakis
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This is a terrible thread even by socdem standards. I won't bother saging because it's the type of low quality content the OP bumps at every opportunity so he's only going to reply to me with a stupid question, which I probably won't answer.

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open borders!=no borders

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sageru mah niggas

wow even the admins are getting triggered, Holla Forums has reached /r/soc level of safe space

Open borders is the ideal generally here and we are mostly pro migrant/refugee apart from the borderline Holla Forumsack brand of tankies. We just aren't stupid enough to believe you can just smash down the walls and fences overnight at one stroke all over the globe, and we also recognise the real tensions injected into already poor European communities when you inject them with poor and/or war weary people from the middle east, at the same time as slashing public services over the last decade.

Whether they should be here or not is a moot point, anyone can see increasing the population while decreasing the amount spent on the population is a recipe for disaster.

The migrant crisis will continue and get worse every day military and financial imperialism and the ravaging of the environment continues.

It will get worse when China/Indian automates most of the work force like they plan to do in the next 20-30 years.

The entire conversation really is moot, only a global revolution is going to come anywhere near close to remedying any one of these ills and they all feed off each other.

Straight up suggesting open borders is ridiculous, as is suggesting we shut up shop, both are economic lunacy.

I side with Zizek where he says the situation needs to be militarised, also we need to set up robust assimilation education, with English classes etc. But ultimately, that will be a patch on a gaping wound

Should be called /r/globalism, not /r/neoliberal

Lol.

wow the horseshoe theory is real

>A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society.
To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of “socialism” has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.
(Marx and Engels, Communist Manifesto chapter 3, section 2: conservative or bourgeois socialism)

Get your symptomatic pseudo-healing and reshuffling of the wage-labouring condition outta here. We're communists: we stand for real change; change that goes beyond kind or reseponsive slavery. We stand for the transcendence of the mode of production that necessitates all this grief and its "solutions" in the first place.

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Where do people get the idea that welfare is money you receive regardless of work? Welfare has always been conditional and it still is, increasingly so even due to neoliberal austerity measures.

I can't believe how many of you are ignoring the world's top economic advisers in favor of Zizek, a blabbering idiot who even Noam Chomsky has called a charlatan

This board is truly lost.

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Holla Forums has now reached Alex Jones Infowars level of discourse

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Wow epic rebuttal bro damn

And what are the sources of these articles? Are they based on research done by """think tanks""" funded by Wall Street firms?

You'd be surprised at how much scientific research is done with the entire purpose of pushing a corporate agenda. A number of phony think tanks are set up by corporations to produce results that favour their product.

See: big tobacco and all the doctors they paid to say that smoking wasn't hazardous to health

Economics isn't science, anybody who honestly looks at the field can see this. Read Varoufakis scrub.

economist.com/news/world-if/21724907-yes-it-would-be-disruptive-potential-gains-are-so-vast-objectors-could-be-bribed

whoo boy this board is in much worse shape than I thought

also your precious Varoufakis backed based Macron in the French election.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/macron-greece-french-left-marine-le-pen-yanis-varoufakis

/r/neoliberals win this round

policy based evidence is trivial.

>potential gains
screeching.
bet you believe that your laptop can last up to 12 hours on battery as well.

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this board will never stop taking even the most obvious bait I'm basically the worst offender
which is why I love it so much here
love u gais

Your claptrap is based on rational choice theory, which is so laughable I'm surprised it's gone on as long as it has.

Even if open borders would create more wealth and improve material prosperity, you would have to be postulating a world where human prejudice doesn't exist. What about the social tensions of ethnic diversity? What about people's irrational fear of the unknown? What about the social upheaval that comes along with demographic shift? What about potentially catastrophic ethnic tensions in the vein of Yugoslavia or Rwanda? Plenty of people won't care about the economic benefits because they clearly place irrational concerns like nationality above rational self interest, as many people do.

People often criticize Marxism for not offering enough room for human agency, but all it really states is that economics is the primary influence on human thoughts and feelings. Rational choice theory postulates a world where people have no thoughts or feelings, where they are inhuman automatons always making cold rational decisions based on adequate information. A five minute conversation with literally anybody in the world is enough to disprove this. The only reason why this nonsense has been pushed so much is because without rational choice theory, economists would be forced to admit that human behaviour, on which so many economic outcomes depend, is inherently irrational and unpredictable, and thus that what they practice is not hard science.


I never said this, just that economics is not hard science, and neoliberal policies have been disasterous.

Varoufakis only backed Macron because of how suit Le Pen was. He initially endorsed Melechon.

No wonder this board is so hated.