Are there any mutualists/anarcho-collectivists left? They seem like mostly dead ideologies, especially the latter

are there any mutualists/anarcho-collectivists left? They seem like mostly dead ideologies, especially the latter

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There are some mutualists in New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project, and also some in Burlington, VT.

There is Kevin Carson and C4SS.org. Other than that …

isn't the FSP a right-libertarian movement? Or is every market anarchist in on it?

It has many mutualists and left-libertarians too.

To my understanding there are actually a decent amount of social anarchists doing entryism in the Libertarian Party and other right-libertarian organizations lately.

Mutualism is still capitalism.

No it isn't. The defining feature of capitalism are its particular class and wage relations. Under mutualism there is no worker/bourgeois relationship, nor is there wage labour, nor is there absentee property.

It isn't really socialism, but it isn't capitalism either.

I really like this strategy. Burgers have been on point with their recruitment game lately

If I were you, I'd just move to either of those places and start a mutualist community.

I believe mutualism and collectivism are stages that could be used to reach full communism

Mutualists are still around, albiet in very small numbers and are pretty much c4ss fags. Ancols are dead and should remain so as ancom is better.

AnCol seems pretty outdated imo, it's probably for the best that it's faded into obscurity

some mutualists want to reach communism, others want mutualism to be the final stage, i believe

Mutualism is socialism though.

Those variants "faded into obscurity" largely because the communist left became dominated by Marxist Leninism after the Russian revolution.

Interesting that arguably the most successful socialist experiment on the planet right now went to the other way, ditching Leninism for ideologies more rooted in the tradition of Bakunin or Proudhon.

Also in Greece we don't really see Leninism being adopted on mass, we see libertarian socialism for the most part. While it is more protracted and on a much smaller scale there, we see voluntary democratic institutions being developed such as medical centres etc.

In Honduras, though they do not even call themselves Anarchists, the campesino have kicked out the land lord and drug lords and collectivised their farms into co-operatives based on face to face democracy. Not because they were deep into Narcho theory, because they pretty much just decided that was the best way to manage the land. What you might call an organic proletarian revolution in miniature. (although they haven't abolished the value form etc etc)

Similar things are happening in Mexico and different parts of Latin America.

If anything, these ideas are re-surging. I mean, it really doesn't help if you are purged for being "trots" even though Stalin himself is much closer ideologically to Trotskyism than you are.

What I meant to say with this is, it seems to me that collectivism/mutualism are basically the lower stage as so many different people describe the lower stage, property will be collectivised, but there will still be some level of exchange until the whole system can be fully communised, this will be regulated with labour tickets.

There are a great many variants of leftism that lean on labour tickets. I myself think that given the correct level of collectivisation they may not be necessary, but they also may be, I am not dogmatic on that point, although I err on the side of thinking they will be an irrelevance by the time we could actually implement them.

Alongside this, as the lower stages retaining many features of capitalism, but still increasing the power of the workers over their own lives both democratically and materially, there are features of these systems which are dare I say "naturally" attractive to the average person- they offer higher wages and more control of the work place, real tangible cash in your pocket.

With the above examples in mind, I think it is not too great a jump for people to make, whereas abolishing the value form is a jump even many on here don't make.

I believe we must revitalise the left through mutalistic and collectivistic programs (or even communistic where possible) beforehand, and only then will we be able to convince the proletariat of the true power of the left.

In my mind a large part of what the left should be doing is building structures for the next collapse that the people will be able to lean on.

We aren't going to have an armed uprising in the west, it just isn't going to happen, therefore we must exploit the contradictions of capitalism at every point, none greater than financial crashes. When the next one comes, we need strong mutual and collective and communist networks existing within capitalism in order to shoulder some of the burden and thus provide a real program of change.

Greece is the example here. Probably the country in Europe most susceptible to a revolution right now, that's because they've built up community structures while still fighting the state in a militant fashion.

Also, you can pretty much only get away with militancy if you are also actually helping the community, so the stronger community structures in place the more you can do, and the more the people will support it and be inspired

Good, to the dustbin of history they go.

it isn't true though

Can someone explain to me the difference between syndicalism and collectivism?
Also, what the hell is platformism?

Platformism is basically like constitutional anarchism, you have a platform for the stateless society you want to implement.

Syndicalism is the method of organisation(trade unions), collectivism is the mode of production, directly democratic wage system without private property essentially.

Take a look at this:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/dielo-truda-workers-cause-organisational-platform-of-the-libertarian-communists