Tfw the radical left has been reduced to taking sides in a proxy war

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but you support rojava, a us proxy

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no
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We must support our Kuomintang comrades in their noble struggle against Western imperialism

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Guys I really think that leftists should stop supporting the imperialist puppet Ho Chi Minh, I mean he is literally armed and funded by AmeriKKKa. We need to lend our support to Japan and the anti-imperialist struggle of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere!

S-Shut up please!!!

Well at least we have some interesting options, instead of the usual nothingburger.

There was a time when the Kuomintang were worth supporting against imperialism, so this one is literally true. But things change. Try again kid.


This is a good example of anti-anti-imperialism shitposting done right.

i don't even understand why i would feel the need to support any side in this shit or why who i "support" or don't matters at all. i mean, unless i'm actually going over to fight for someone or i'm supplying them with notable amounts of money or materiel, what does my "support" even equate to? Lending my essential mind power to the struggle by feeling really hard like a facebook mom sending "prayers"? going on twitter and saying the SDF are the dogs bollocks or that Assad is a nice and/or very naughty man? who cares. what i think and who i """support""" has zero impact on what's actually going on there.

Why do leftcoms (and in fact, most leftists) hate trying to improve things again ?

It has "co-" in the name, that's enough for me!

Attempting to improves things when tou don't have a monopoly on force is seen as exasperating the economy if compitition is in place i guess? They see any increase in potency as bad for the workers, if they don't control the means of production.

I disagree with this thinking since more resources means cheaper less strain on supply and lower relative cost, but true believers don't believe in scarcity

This, almost no one is actually sending money or supplies or manpower to Syria so it really doesn't matter what the outcome of shitposting about their civil war on the internet is. I try to stay informed about Rojava and what's going on there but I'm not going to get bogged down arguing whether or not it's "correct" according to my interpretation of theory or not. I am very sympathetic to libertarian municipalism, but Rojava is based on an interpretation of that system that is tailored to the material conditions of the Kurds that isn't strictly relevant to the conditions in my own country.

The real discussion should be about how to properly undermine the imperialist nation-states who have been perpetually responsible for undermining and distorting revolutionary movements throughout modern history.

shit makes me sick to my stomach tbh

hell yeah i'm gonna lead the revolution myself after giving all the dumb proles class consciousness and then implement my own brand of marxist-leninist-stalinism across the world after personally slaughtering 14.3 quintillion capitalists with nothing but a mosin bayonet

fuckin leftcoms

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what is the material implication for the resistance of the shia crescent to imperialism if the kurds seize raqqa and gain independence? is it really that bad for MENA? will the US be able to easily exploit them and isolate Iran?

If they gain independence in Syria then they will do it with Assad's cooperation, which means they are likely to have amicable or even friendly relations with Iran. Especially since they have so many common enemies, Turkey, Al Queda, and ISIS being the main ones.

yeah but that will never happen with the US sticking their nose in, and i doubt they'll fuck off any time soon.

You'd be surprised, the Americans have been woefully incompetent with this kind of thing in recent years. I mean they re built the Iraqi government from scratch according to their interests and it still somehow managed to wind up in the Iranian sphere of influence. Frankly if the Kurds can negotiate a deal with Assad for something like regional autonomy, they won't need the US anymore.

I don't know the chances of such a deal being struck, but it seems plausible since Assad also has many enemies in common with the YPG. Also Russia would benefit greatly from destabilizing a key NATO member like Turkey.

yeah but nothing good ever happens

this is true and as powerful as the US is people give it to much credit by assigning it some kind of omnipresence

they throw money and guns at whoever helps them now and worry about it later, theres plenty examples of the US fighting their former proxy groups. and with the US on the way out as a world power it's conceivable that they would accidently support a genuine revolutionary movement and then not have the foreign influence to remove it when their interests diverge. im not a Bookchinite at all but i see no reason to not critically support Rojava.

the accusations of YPG sympathetic leftists being alphabet soup is also strange considering that american intelligence would have a lot more to gain from western leftists (potential domestic enemies) supporting enemy regimes than they would in those western leftists pointing out that US foreign policy contradicts itself and their support of YPG or ISIS is always economic positioning and not aligned with any actual interest in human well being or self determination. Whether you are more sympathetic to YPG or Ba'athists you can adopt this latter point instead of adopting the imperialist narrative that this war is in any way about governing or principles and not pure resource extraction.

Why should we give a fuck about US funding Rojava? Muh imperialism is a dead meme that was relevant last time when Soviet Union was still standing.

no matter how hard you try, it only shows more how bad Rojava is sucking on imperialist dicks. just yesterday or so they basically begged the EU for interventionism through direct aid towards Rojava as a "balancing power" while talking about making "new alliances" and changing enemies.
yeah, there's totally no history of them being imperialist aggressors that started the whole shit to begin with…
at this point they really need to be gassed away and you liberal imperialist faggots need to eat a bullet too.

anarchists are merely edgy liberals, this is yet again proof for this wisdom.

name me one instance of US troops on soviet soil

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they're still contributing more to leftism then you ever will

Well maybe if you weren't a lazy cunt you could think of something to do that supports them

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as an Anarchist I want you take back "muh imperialism is a dead meme" because you are making us look like fucks

nuclear take my dude

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are you really this retarded or just desperately shitposting away?

if all rojava did was receive weapons this would be far less of an issue. but of course anarchists are retarded and they can't even tell the difference between occupying forces and lend lease.

Why isn't everyone in this thread banned for supporting imperialism yet?

I agree, but what actually happens is that there is a large chunk of the left that is simply denying that there is anything to learn from Rojava(you can spot them by posting anti-Rojava "takedowns" that are based on myths and half truths). Its not about support or not support but if we are willing to learn and understand or not. I have yet to see any of the anti rojava posters do any kind of propper analysis, they allways limit themselves to pure rejection and attempt to shoehorn it into some half baked category so they can stop thinking(just ethno nationalism, just a CIA proxy ect.).

There are a few people who go overboard with their uncritical defense, but they are few. Most people that "support" Rojava are fairly critical and are able to do honest examinations to see what they can learn for their own situation.

British and Americans were stationed in crimea, tard

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Yeah how dare the SDF ask for support in a life and death struggle against reactionary forces.

What we need to do is support Assad, like I mean okay sure he implemented a shit ton of neoliberal reforms in the 90s, sure the Assad family has basically ruled as a hereditary monarchy, sure he is the puppet of Russian kleptocrats, and okay, sure Ba'athism is basically just fascism for brown people, but I mean, he pisses of the US so he must be good right?

British commandos operated in Albania during the war. Was Hoxha an imperialist puppet?

There are shitloads of interviews, reports of people that went there and local media. Many documentaries ect. Apparently most people here create their opinion on rojava from shitposts and main stream media articles. It explains a llot.

btfo

Communism without capitalist steelnis just 30 million illiterates dying in the snow

Guys we need to support the Tsar against German Imperialism. I mean the so-called socialist Lenin was literally sent to Petrograd on a German train and the BolsheviKKK party has been armed with German equipment. It's all part of the Kaiser's plan to Balkanize and carve up Russia among petty bourgeois ethnonationalists so it can be more easily digested by Germany. I mean there are literally German troops on Russian soil ready to link up with Lenin's forces at the first sign of unrest. We have to support the Tsar and Russian people in their anti-imperialist struggle!

put your money where your mouth is instead of just posting mate